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Would really love to hear about your experiences turning your primary residence into an AirBnB during extended travel. The positives and negatives, and the finances. Also if you managed it yourself or hired someone.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Has anyone AirBnB-ed their primary residence while traveling?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2019, 12:52:58 PM »
It is legal if licensed where I live.  The main drawback if it is your primary residence is the deep cleaning and removing and securing personal belongings. Airbnb requires a hotel level of cleanliness, decluttering, new linens, and nice decor, which is probably not worth it unless you are going to be away for a longer period of time.  A house swap can be more relaxed. 

The economics depend on your local market ie. rates and vacancy rates.  Go on airbnb and check out comparables and occupancy rates.  Where I live our home can airbnb for $250-$300 a night and a 50% discount for stays of a month or more fully furnished and including utilities.  Airbnb applies and remits local taxes to the city and we have a business licence.  However, we generally only Airbnb our vacation home as it is kept at hotel level year-round and swap our home due to the hassle of guest-readying it.  If it is legal in your area, you have no pets, limited clutter, and everything in top notch condition Airbnb could be fairly easy to do.  Make sure you secure cleaners and a fix it person for when you are away.  Guest communication can be managed remotely.

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2019, 01:48:10 AM »
It is legal if licensed where I live.  The main drawback if it is your primary residence is the deep cleaning and removing and securing personal belongings. Airbnb requires a hotel level of cleanliness, decluttering, new linens, and nice decor, which is probably not worth it unless you are going to be away for a longer period of time.  A house swap can be more relaxed. 

The economics depend on your local market ie. rates and vacancy rates.  Go on airbnb and check out comparables and occupancy rates.  Where I live our home can airbnb for $250-$300 a night and a 50% discount for stays of a month or more fully furnished and including utilities.  Airbnb applies and remits local taxes to the city and we have a business licence.  However, we generally only Airbnb our vacation home as it is kept at hotel level year-round and swap our home due to the hassle of guest-readying it.  If it is legal in your area, you have no pets, limited clutter, and everything in top notch condition Airbnb could be fairly easy to do.  Make sure you secure cleaners and a fix it person for when you are away.  Guest communication can be managed remotely.

We are planning to travel for at least a year, and to various international locations, so house swap probably wouldn't work. A major reason I think it might be doable is because our house has a basement that we can put our personal belongings in and lock, but yeah, cleaning and packing everything will be a pain.

Our house is about 10 minutes drive from downtown with a nice view, and I happen to know that a townhouse one street over is an AirBnb managed by a property management company, so I think there must be some demand. It's actually what gave me the idea in the first place, as the house is rather expensive and our only other option would be to sell it or rent it out long term if we wanted to travel extensively. The mortgage is too high to just let it sit there.

How do you check occupancy rate on AirBnb?

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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2019, 12:47:48 AM »
I was talking to a friend who rented out his home out on air bnb where he lived while he travelled for 2 months.

His place is newly renovated, in a great area and close to the beach, so he could ask for good money and get a top renter.

He had no problems and got good money.

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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2019, 03:59:43 AM »
Why not rent it out privately? You could ask on your local neighbourhood facebook if anyone knows a decent family that wants to rent a house. In my neighbourhood we get facebook requests sometimes of families who want to rent for some time and who get referrals from our neighbours on being decent people.

At least this way, you won't have to deal with airBnB rules and fees.

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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2019, 10:18:29 AM »
We looked into this as we have a home within 3 miles of downtown and Austin hosts multiple festivals/events (SXSW, ACL, Formula 1, etc.).

The thing that gave us pause was that while Air B&B and other services do have a generous insurance policy against something bad happening to your stuff (things getting stolen, damaged, etc.) their policy did not cover liability lawsuits/injuries that occurred in your home by a paying guest (at least at the time we looked into it). Likewise our homeowners policy and umbrella insurance policies were explicit in stating that if someone was paying to be in our home through a service like this, our policies wouldn't apply in the same way they would if it was a typical houseguest.  That turned us off the idea since we have some steep stairs and a general aversion to being sued. Edited to add: Look at that! Their insurance policy now covers liability! It definitely did not when we looked into this several years ago. I would still recommend reading the fine print and making sure you feel good about the coverage, but its great to see liability is included.

Of course, the likelihood of a guest suing you is probably astronomically low, but that issue combined with the costs we estimated to secure valuables, buy guest linens, install a changeable electronic code lock, etc. made the whole thing not worth it for us. Our city would have also required a yearly permit to participate in a service like this.

If you do want to do it, look into the liability insurance portion.

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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2019, 10:57:57 AM »
For another datapoint, check out Montana Money Adventures. She's done it, and I suspect some other FI bloggers will have written about it too:
https://www.montanamoneyadventures.com/advantages-of-turning-your-primary-home-into-a-rental/

Looks like she arranged the deal privately. Get rich with trust, right?

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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2019, 03:33:32 PM »
>A major reason I think it might be doable is because our house has a basement that we can put our personal belongings in and lock, but yeah, cleaning and packing everything will be a pain.

It is probably worth it for you for a year.  The pros are that the rate is higher and if you want to come home for a couple of weeks you can just block off those dates.  In addition, the rates are usually significantly higher than a longer-term market rental so you need lower occupancy to make the same amount and the home is cleaned between reservations.  If your home is in a nice area and upper scale you'll generally attract families and family groups in for events like weddings and practicums.

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2019, 10:30:02 AM »
Use the cleaning & packing as an opportunity to downsize... I moved out of my 800 sq ft condo last year and it was painful, it's a shame I hadn't downsized and got rid of the unnecessary stuff earlier.

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Re: Has anyone AirBnB-ed their primary residence while traveling?
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2019, 04:57:44 AM »
Why not rent it out privately? You could ask on your local neighbourhood facebook if anyone knows a decent family that wants to rent a house. In my neighbourhood we get facebook requests sometimes of families who want to rent for some time and who get referrals from our neighbours on being decent people.

At least this way, you won't have to deal with airBnB rules and fees.


This especially would work if your in an area that is seeing alot of homes going up. There is a big need for people in my area that want to rent a home for a year or so because they want to sell there home and build so they dont have to carry a bridge  loan and or get a short term rental.

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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2019, 04:06:17 PM »
We did it once a couple of years ago.  It was a lot of work getting it cleaned within an inch of it's life and packing things up.  There were also expenses of buying new towels/sheets for guests.  I bought all white towels/hand towels/washcloths and sheets from either costco or Amazon.  I also bought new duvet covers to go on each bed and a simple dining set (because I packed my vintage dishes away for fear of them getting broken.  I also put away personal photos, etc.  We locked some closets with a small padlock discretely on the bottom of the door and our office. 

I have several friends who airbnb as our neighborhood is extremely popular for it.  This is also the reason we only did it once.  We put it up again for a very popular music event and did not get a single bite.  There are just too many (and I mean hundreds) of airbnbs in our neighborhood.  Many were homes that were purposely bought to airbnb so they are new and nobody lives in there.  Detached unit/apartments in the backyard are also becoming extremely popular so there are those as well.  So, it wasn't worth it for us because the competition was too fierce and we don't travel enough.

But, if I were traveling for a year, I would totally do it.  We had a friend who manages other airbnbs manage ours and gave her 10% of the profit (she set the rate).  She also organized the cleaning, etc.  We just did it all through Venmo.  If you don't know anyone to manage it, you can use a company like Evolve.  I have a friend about to use them and they get good reviews, though I know nothing about them.  There are probably companies locally too. 

Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions about what we did or our experience. 

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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2019, 10:28:33 AM »
We did it once a couple of years ago.  It was a lot of work getting it cleaned within an inch of it's life and packing things up.  There were also expenses of buying new towels/sheets for guests.  I bought all white towels/hand towels/washcloths and sheets from either costco or Amazon.  I also bought new duvet covers to go on each bed and a simple dining set (because I packed my vintage dishes away for fear of them getting broken.  I also put away personal photos, etc.  We locked some closets with a small padlock discretely on the bottom of the door and our office. 

I have several friends who airbnb as our neighborhood is extremely popular for it.  This is also the reason we only did it once.  We put it up again for a very popular music event and did not get a single bite.  There are just too many (and I mean hundreds) of airbnbs in our neighborhood.  Many were homes that were purposely bought to airbnb so they are new and nobody lives in there.  Detached unit/apartments in the backyard are also becoming extremely popular so there are those as well.  So, it wasn't worth it for us because the competition was too fierce and we don't travel enough.

But, if I were traveling for a year, I would totally do it.  We had a friend who manages other airbnbs manage ours and gave her 10% of the profit (she set the rate).  She also organized the cleaning, etc.  We just did it all through Venmo.  If you don't know anyone to manage it, you can use a company like Evolve.  I have a friend about to use them and they get good reviews, though I know nothing about them.  There are probably companies locally too. 

Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions about what we did or our experience.

Thanks so much, your experience with the local market saturation is very interesting. Also good to hear that despite everything you still feel that it is worth it for a longer period of time.

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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2019, 10:35:57 AM »
Definitely the decluttering and downsizing would be good for us. We don't have a lot of clutter compared to friends and family because of how often we move, and the fact that we haven't had a garage for eight years, but we still have more junk than we should.

It would be good to find someone locally and bypass airbnb. I've seen some requests for housing in the local social media groups, but only for short periods like the summer.

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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2019, 11:37:26 AM »
Oh another thing...we got kicked off of home insurance with USAA for doing it.  We had to find insurance that would allow it.  We switched to Erie.  USAA now allows it restrictively, but it was too restrictive for what we were looking for (though I can't remember what the parameters were).

I would definitely do some searches around your area and see what the local market is like and your competition, so to speak. That is what I did when getting our house ready.  It helped me to see how to 'stage' it to attract people.  The key is getting reviews.  That is why ours ultimately had no luck.  Since the STR market around us is so saturated, there were too many around us with reviews and if you have a home with no review vs one with reviews, you are obviously going to choose the one with reviews. 

Good luck though!  I did have fun getting it all ready, regardless.  And would totally put in the effort again if we were going travel long term.

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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2019, 12:19:27 PM »
I did a quick search in my immediate area with some basic parameters and found over 100 listings, so we might have the same problem with market saturation. I did notice that a lot of the homes had the summer months completely blocked out. I wonder if this is because they are completely rented for the summer or the owners return for the nice weather. Either way, it should mean that availability for summer months might be much lower than the rest of the year.

The price concerns me a little though. I see a lot of nice places listed for around $100. That seems rather low. If I were to rent out my house the traditional way I would expect at least around $3000 per month.

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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2019, 12:27:43 PM »
Oh wait, it looks like the price fluctuates a lot for some places. Like they list $89 as the lowest price but in reality a weekend in May is $450 per night O.O

I wonder if a good strategy when you are starting out is to rent the place for cheap for the first couple months to accumulate reviews then up the price.

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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2019, 01:04:14 PM »
Oh wait, it looks like the price fluctuates a lot for some places. Like they list $89 as the lowest price but in reality a weekend in May is $450 per night O.O

I wonder if a good strategy when you are starting out is to rent the place for cheap for the first couple months to accumulate reviews then up the price.

I guess that is the way to get your first reviews.