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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2015, 09:54:20 AM »
I guess my coworkers aren't so bad.  I've mentioned many times that I hope to retire at 56 (I'm 31 now).  The only reactions I've ever gotten were "That's so great!  It's too bad I have too many student loans to ever save that much money" (or mortgage or whatever other excuse people use).

My takeaway is that they don't disagree that I can do it, I don't feel like they begrudge me it, but that they lack the mental commitment to try to do the same.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2015, 10:26:09 AM »
Netskyblue - as a recent transplant to the midwest, my view is that in general the MW is a "nicer" part of the country than New England where I'm from.  People generally seem to not be as angry and miserable, even when your point of view (such as ER) differs from theirs.  They don't take it as a personal attack on their lives as much as the East Coast. 

Probably has something to do with the fact that it's less materialistic and people aren't as competitive with each other.  I don't hear about people's new vacation houses, new BMW/Benz, their vacations to Europe and what exclusive/expensive college their kids got into anymore.  The MW seems far more family oriented (i.e., spend time/vacations with family) than NE where everyone seemed to be competing with their friends/coworkers for the most toys/trips all the time.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2015, 11:18:36 AM »
I've told nobody but my boss.  Once it starts leaking out that I'm gone, I'll just tell everyone it is a year long sabbatical.  Just easier that way.

Sabbatical is what I have on my LinkedIn profile.  Works, but friends and former co-workers do keep forwarding job opportunity emails.  Conversations where I hint that I may be "done" result in disbelief - partly b/c they perhaps cannot imagine being able to but also mostly b/c they cannot understand the desire to not work to earn money.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2015, 12:40:25 PM »
Chops, I grew up in the Midwest & lived much of my life there. I also lived in NY for awhile. YOu are right that MW people are less materially oriented & more family oriented.  I now live on the WEst Coast & again more are into things.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2015, 01:24:33 PM »
Cassie,

Glad to hear my initial view confirmed from someone else who's spent time in both locations.  Too bad the west coast sounds more like the East!  (Maybe you'll move back to the MW someday?)  Overall I'm very happy with my move here, mostly because of the nicer people/less materialism of the region, even though I left all my friends and family (except for my fiancee) 1,100 miles away.

I think I could get away with talking FIRE with my coworkers here in the MW without getting them as riled up as in OP's case.  Not that I would though.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2015, 01:38:14 PM »
I guess my coworkers aren't so bad.  I've mentioned many times that I hope to retire at 56 (I'm 31 now).  The only reactions I've ever gotten were "That's so great!  It's too bad I have too many student loans to ever save that much money" (or mortgage or whatever other excuse people use).

My takeaway is that they don't disagree that I can do it, I don't feel like they begrudge me it, but that they lack the mental commitment to try to do the same.

It seems like retiring in your 50's sparks envy.  Retiring in your 30's or 40's sparks disbelief and/or anger.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2015, 02:12:19 PM »
Cassie,

Glad to hear my initial view confirmed from someone else who's spent time in both locations.  Too bad the west coast sounds more like the East!  (Maybe you'll move back to the MW someday?)  Overall I'm very happy with my move here, mostly because of the nicer people/less materialism of the region, even though I left all my friends and family (except for my fiancee) 1,100 miles away.

I think I could get away with talking FIRE with my coworkers here in the MW without getting them as riled up as in OP's case.  Not that I would though.

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I grew up in Boston. I've had several friends and acquaintances from other parts of the country tell me that New Englanders seem kind of "cold" to them. I don't know if I've lived outside of this region or away from its inhabitants long enough to tell for sure, but enough people have mentioned it to me that I'm starting to think there may be something to this.

In my experience, any talk of saving/investing in the workplace is met with incredulity or dismissal unless someone else brings it up. In my pre-Mustachian days, one coworker was in disbelief that I was putting 15% into my 401k. My allocation these days would probably make his head explode. I usually keep it to myself unless someone asks me about it.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2015, 09:47:34 PM »
My favorite response to someone who says "it must be nice?" 

"It is."

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2015, 10:12:52 PM »
And then she proceeds to loudly tell another coworker that I think I'm retiring in a few years..."HAHAHAHA  Can you believe she thinks that? "

As Spooner would say, what a cunning stunt.
Does anyone see that we're doing the same?  I mean, the victim of that came on this forum and shared the story and we are all ..."HAHAHAHA.  Can you believe she thinks that?"  It's exactly the same!  Not that I mind, I just want to remember that were not all perfect here either, so every once in a while, cut others some slack.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2015, 10:39:36 PM »
I worked in a factory. Not in management, but on the floor as a machine operator.
Except for the 12 months that I worked overtime every weekend (2- 16 shifts) + my regular 40hr week, I never earned more than 30K.

My husband and I started buying rental properties in 2004, using the modest equity in our home for down payments. He did the repairs, maintenance, and dealing with tenants..I worked to qualify for rental mortgages.

I was always open with co-workers with the trial and tribulations of owning rental properties.
Describing the disgusting conditions of properties after a tenant skipped etc.
Going to court continuously to make the feral tenants pay their debts.

They saw me with my thermos and brown bagged lunch every day....every day !
They saw my husband pick me up and drop me off, because we only had one vehicle.

They would continuously say about everything I do "I couldn't do what you do"
I would say, it's only for a short while then I'm quitting work forever.


I remember a young co-worker jokingly said to another co-worker, that I was rich.
That other co-worker said, I couldn't be too rich, as I was still working there.
At that time I was 2-3 months from my planned 'retirement' date.

August 2010 was when I quit.(I was 50 and my husband was 46)
All the ones I worked with...are still there working.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #60 on: March 21, 2015, 11:24:40 PM »
Does anyone see that we're doing the same?  I mean, the victim of that came on this forum and shared the story and we are all ..."HAHAHAHA.  Can you believe she thinks that?"  It's exactly the same!  Not that I mind, I just want to remember that were not all perfect here either, so every once in a while, cut others some slack.

That's not true. The ignorant co-worker has done damage in the workplace to the OP.  We can say anything we want against the ignorant co-worker and it won't damage her in the workplace.

OP came to us for support and we've offered it because we are like-minded. She will never find this kind of support at work because we are subversive to the mass culture of materialism. There's no equality because we are the radicals, the outsiders.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2015, 04:14:34 AM »
Does anyone see that we're doing the same?  I mean, the victim of that came on this forum and shared the story and we are all ..."HAHAHAHA.  Can you believe she thinks that?"  It's exactly the same!  Not that I mind, I just want to remember that were not all perfect here either, so every once in a while, cut others some slack.

That's not true. The ignorant co-worker has done damage in the workplace to the OP.  We can say anything we want against the ignorant co-worker and it won't damage her in the workplace.

OP came to us for support and we've offered it because we are like-minded. She will never find this kind of support at work because we are subversive to the mass culture of materialism. There's no equality because we are the radicals, the outsiders.
True enough. I realized when I reread my statement that I sounded preachy. Honestly didn't mean to be so much or to put a dampere on. The fun. I like to gossip and laugh at others' foibles as much as the next guy and we're doing no harm here. But we are judging in EXACTLY the same manner that the CW was. Assuming OUR preference is the right one (and I wouldn't be here if I didn't think we were right).

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #62 on: March 22, 2015, 01:17:49 PM »
True enough. I realized when I reread my statement that I sounded preachy. Honestly didn't mean to be so much or to put a dampere on. The fun. I like to gossip and laugh at others' foibles as much as the next guy and we're doing no harm here. But we are judging in EXACTLY the same manner that the CW was. Assuming OUR preference is the right one (and I wouldn't be here if I didn't think we were right).

I struggle with this, because I live a subversive life in two ways: money, and what I eat. Whether it's frugal lifestyle or keto lifestyle, I'm betting my own life and well-being against the common and oft-repeated messages from government and commerce telling us how we "should" live our lives and what we should eat.

My co-workers can easily see the change in me from how I eat - I've lost 70 lbs and my health has never been better. But even then, I still get skeptical, disbelieving looks. It's hard, very hard, to go against the pack and with frugality, even more difficult because no one can immediately SEE the results - you either accept it or you don't and both groups of people trundle toward their ultimate life conclusions because of those choices.

But I will tell you this: I no longer proselytize ANYTHING because I figured out that many times, people have absolutely no intention of believing you or changing themselves, they just want you to perform for them, to be their "dancing bear" so they'll have something to talk about at their next dinner party.

As one wise woman once said: "Ain't nobody got time fo dat!"

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2015, 10:55:03 AM »
Just posted this reply to another thread re: giving employer 15 year notice, fits here too:

Only one really close coworker/ friend knows of my 3 year plan at this point. She's on a 5 year plan herself so it's sort of an inside joke between us.  It's nice having someone IRL who "gets it" and can chat about our progress together.

OTOH retirement dates came up in discussion in the break room once, I threw out an age I was "possibly thinking about" retiring. The reaction wasn't pretty! 

Coworker responses ranged from "I have to work till 67 (or 70)" or "I'll be working till I die."  This from people raiding their 401k for trips to Disney or buying giant SUVs to commute an hour.
Also heard "must be nice...married a sugar daddy, huh?"  Um, nope, my DH is a spendy pants, but he's coming around. I'm just frugal & enjoy free or cheap stuff like biking, hiking with my dog, sewing clothes, jogging, trying to cook new recipes at home, etc.

So I learned my lesson & don't really broadcast my FIRE plan at work. Especially to the bosses.

Yes, the one and only time I threw that out there in the break room, I regretted it too!

I was speaking to a CW (who's in her mid 50's). Naturally, we were both complaining about work when I said, "I hope to be retired by 50!"

Her eyes bulged out...then she replied, with a gentle hand on my shoulder, "Oh sweetie, you'll never be able to do that."

That was about two years ago. And you know what, my number has since been adjusted to 47 - 49 so yeah, 50, pshhh.
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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #64 on: March 30, 2015, 08:20:31 AM »
It seems like most of the unpleasantness could be avoided by not talking about money at work. People get weird about money.

And when you do retire, just say that you're quitting. Most people won't really care why you're quitting or what your next great challenge is. How often do you think about coworkers who left your company 3 months ago? 9 Months ago? A year ago?

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2015, 10:55:42 AM »
I'm not exactly Mustachians.  However I am using some of the principles to save, invest, and reduce expenses. 

I told my coworker that I am not working past 65.  She had an issue with that!.  We are talking 65 here.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2015, 11:16:17 AM »
And then she proceeds to loudly tell another coworker that I think I'm retiring in a few years..."HAHAHAHA  Can you believe she thinks that? "

As Spooner would say, what a cunning stunt.
Does anyone see that we're doing the same?  I mean, the victim of that came on this forum and shared the story and we are all ..."HAHAHAHA.  Can you believe she thinks that?"  It's exactly the same! Not that I mind, I just want to remember that were not all perfect here either, so every once in a while, cut others some slack.

How is it exactly the same?  One belief is formed based on ignorance, and the other is not.  Also no harm is coming to the coworker by anonymous people on a forum mocking her, but the same is not true of the op being openly mocked at work.  I see them as wildly different.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2015, 12:14:00 PM »
I'm not exactly Mustachians.  However I am using some of the principles to save, invest, and reduce expenses. 

I told my coworker that I am not working past 65.  She had an issue with that!.  We are talking 65 here.

I feel like I see this type of thing a lot, I'm not sure what the name for this particular defense mechanism is but seeing someone similar to you do better than you really makes you feel like shit, so we have to respond by either convincing ourselves that we are not similar, preventing them from succeeding, or denying they have succeeded. 

My favorite is chubby moms who seem to become enraged at the thought that any woman might actually get back to her pre-pregnancy weight after childbirth.  She's must be neglecting her kids to spend time at the gym!  She must be starving herself!  Here, have some doughnuts sweety, you're skin and bones!  (I'm not a female, but I've seen this a few times and I think it's kind of disturbing)

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2015, 12:20:30 PM »
I used to talk about finances at work a little bit. Then I had a boss say something like, other people would get a better raise since they needed the money and I clearly didn't. I shut up after that.
think that's bad?  A cousin of mine suggested that I not get the small inheretance from our grandmother because i had been so much better at managing my money than she had.
My Dad and his second-wife said this to my sister and I. That because we both were very frugal, drove ancient old vehicles we had saved to pay cash for, lived in crappy old houses we had paid off thru scrimping and saving, had very modest lifestyles, lived on low incomes (at the time I was living on about $1,000/month), and were debt-free they would be leaving ALL their assets to his wife's 3 older kids, who were massively deep in debt from wild spending and luxury lifestyles. The step sibs (all about 10 years older than sis and I)  were massively deep in debt from buying every luxury item imaginable -  Lincoln Navigator SUV's, Mercedes and BMW's, RV's. sports cars, boats, motorcycles, jet skis, McMansions, and even $10K buy-in poker games in Vegas on weekends.  They were apparently "poor" so  needed the inheritance money to cover their debts but we didn't so they'd leave it all to them.  Sigh.....
sigh.... yeah, i find this attitude occasionally and it makes me very angry.  In academia, at the department level some scholarships are 'need-based' and it's a pretty well-known fact that faculty often award them to promising students that are struggling financially.  Too often those financial struggles are of their own making.  Then there was my cousin who 'suggested' that she had a greater need for an inheritence than I did.  To be fair she didn't actually say I should get nothing because I had been great with money, but more that she "had much more need of that money because she was so deeply in debt".    Sounds like you were in a similar situation with your dad and his second-wife.

I like to help people in need, but not reward bad behavior.  Sometimes it's hard to do both.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2015, 12:25:33 PM »
^^^^ this. I rapidly lost weight after child birth due to avoiding dairy and eggs (my baby is allergic) and I've been berated by a couple of friends for losing weight. They say it should take 10 months to lose the weight. Since I lose it in five months, I am neglecting my daughter. Makes me laugh at times but leads to mommy guilt at other times.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2015, 12:28:47 PM »
I understand you are really retiring buttttt I have heard very simlar conversation but they were a little different.

Ive heard multiple women claim they are retiring after they have a baby. Either kidding or not understanding what the word means. I think this causes others to really question when someone says they are retiring at a  young age.

Your story is kind of funny though.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2015, 12:44:31 PM »
Ive heard multiple women claim they are retiring after they have a baby. Either kidding or not understanding what the word means. I think this causes others to really question when someone says they are retiring at a  young age.

The semantics probably aren't all that important.

Besides, I'd be inclined to say that leaving work to become a SAHM qualifies as retiring.

1.) Retiring from the NAVY to pursue a career in the private sector.
2.) Retiring from the NFL and becoming a broadcaster.
3.) Retiring from her job in accounting to raise children.

#3 makes as much sense as #1 or #2 IMO.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2015, 01:03:48 PM »
Ive heard multiple women claim they are retiring after they have a baby. Either kidding or not understanding what the word means. I think this causes others to really question when someone says they are retiring at a  young age.

The semantics probably aren't all that important.

Besides, I'd be inclined to say that leaving work to become a SAHM qualifies as retiring.

1.) Retiring from the NAVY to pursue a career in the private sector.
2.) Retiring from the NFL and becoming a broadcaster.
3.) Retiring from her job in accounting to raise children.

#3 makes as much sense as #1 or #2 IMO.

Except that Retiring from the Navy or the NFL comes with actual, tangible retirement benefits. Even if you start doing another job afterwards you still have the benefits you were eligible for because you retired.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2015, 01:12:02 PM »
Except that Retiring from the Navy or the NFL comes with actual, tangible retirement benefits. Even if you start doing another job afterwards you still have the benefits you were eligible for because you retired.

Are benefits what make a retirement a retirement though? MMM loves to talk about how he is retired but I doubt he has a pension or anything from his stint as a white collar worker.

At the risk of getting bogged down in semantics (which I said I wouldn't do, lol), the first result from google is:

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leave one's job and cease to work, typically upon reaching the normal age for leaving employment.

Assuming the "normal age" is 65, people who cease working at age 65 are "typical retirees" while people who cease work before are "atypical".


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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2015, 01:27:17 PM »
Ive heard multiple women claim they are retiring after they have a baby. Either kidding or not understanding what the word means. I think this causes others to really question when someone says they are retiring at a  young age.

The semantics probably aren't all that important.

Besides, I'd be inclined to say that leaving work to become a SAHM qualifies as retiring.

1.) Retiring from the NAVY to pursue a career in the private sector.
2.) Retiring from the NFL and becoming a broadcaster.
3.) Retiring from her job in accounting to raise children.

#3 makes as much sense as #1 or #2 IMO.

Fair enough. People use the word "retire" many ways. I am no word police and dont care all that much  :)

 All I really meant is that coworker of OP could have been confused because lots of people toss that word around and/or quit while planning on living off the spouses income. They may have been confused that OP is not doing that or in their eye refusing to admit that is what she is doing. It added to their skepticism that OP husband is still working.


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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #75 on: March 30, 2015, 01:54:40 PM »
I wouldn't consider any of those people "currently retired" if they were still fully employed. To me they have just transitioned from one career into another. The SAHP included. However, with the SAHP, if they have no intents to go back into a career position and have the passive income to support themselves, then I'd consider them a "currently retired" person who is also raising kids (a job imho) rather than a someone temporarily taking a break from work in order to raise kids.

The definition gets really fuzzy then. I have a friend who supports her 78 y/o mom. The mom sure as heck doesn't work anymore but she also sure as heck has no passive income with which to support herself. Is she retired? I don't know.

You could try to add permanence as a qualifier to it, but then that would render the phrase "coming out of retirement" meaningless because everyone who isn't working and doesn't plan to work is retired until they aren't.

The word means a lot of different things to a lot of different people I suppose.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2015, 01:55:40 PM »
Ive heard multiple women claim they are retiring after they have a baby. Either kidding or not understanding what the word means. I think this causes others to really question when someone says they are retiring at a  young age.

The semantics probably aren't all that important.

Besides, I'd be inclined to say that leaving work to become a SAHM qualifies as retiring.

1.) Retiring from the NAVY to pursue a career in the private sector.
2.) Retiring from the NFL and becoming a broadcaster.
3.) Retiring from her job in accounting to raise children.

#3 makes as much sense as #1 or #2 IMO.
I wouldn't consider any of those people "currently retired" if they were still fully employed. To me they have just transitioned from one career into another. The SAHP included. However, with the SAHP, if they have no intents to go back into a career position and have the passive income to support themselves, then I'd consider them a "currently retired" person who is also raising kids (a job imho) rather than a someone temporarily taking a break from work in order to raise kids.


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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2015, 01:59:41 PM »
Anyway, for myself, I suppose I'd like to avoid adopting any labels that have to do with either my employment status, or how much money I have. So the word (under any definition) probably doesn't suit me.

When my time comes, I'll probably just say, "I'm quitting work to like... chill or whatever."

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #78 on: March 30, 2015, 02:22:09 PM »
Anyway, for myself, I suppose I'd like to avoid adopting any labels that have to do with either my employment status, or how much money I have. So the word (under any definition) probably doesn't suit me.

When my time comes, I'll probably just say, "I'm quitting work to like... chill or whatever."

Sounds about right. Labels suck.

'Sabbatical' might work for me too. I took 6 months off last winter and no one batted an eye. If I said I was taking time off to chill out it would probably take 2-3 years before people started to wonder when I was going to go back to work. Maybe by then I can be far away in South America and just not check my email. :p

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #79 on: March 30, 2015, 02:33:10 PM »
This conversation I had with my boss. 

Me:  I am retiring on April 3, 2015.  (I gave about 8 weeks notice)
Boss:  You can't retire you have to quit because you are not 62.
Me:  I've been here freaking almost 40 years (started at 22) and I am pretty sure that I don't have to be 62 to retire from here.
Boss: Well you have to leave at the end of a pay period, not in the middle. 
Me: What!  I never heard that before.

All of it was NOT true!

I am retiring and having a tea because by God, I earned it!  Now I just have to figure out if I want to give the big wigs an earful at my tea! 

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #80 on: March 30, 2015, 02:59:15 PM »
I used to talk about finances at work a little bit. Then I had a boss say something like, other people would get a better raise since they needed the money and I clearly didn't. I shut up after that.
think that's bad?  A cousin of mine suggested that I not get the small inheretance from our grandmother because i had been so much better at managing my money than she had.
My Dad and his second-wife said this to my sister and I. That because we both were very frugal, drove ancient old vehicles we had saved to pay cash for, lived in crappy old houses we had paid off thru scrimping and saving, had very modest lifestyles, lived on low incomes (at the time I was living on about $1,000/month), and were debt-free they would be leaving ALL their assets to his wife's 3 older kids, who were massively deep in debt from wild spending and luxury lifestyles. The step sibs (all about 10 years older than sis and I)  were massively deep in debt from buying every luxury item imaginable -  Lincoln Navigator SUV's, Mercedes and BMW's, RV's. sports cars, boats, motorcycles, jet skis, McMansions, and even $10K buy-in poker games in Vegas on weekends.  They were apparently "poor" so  needed the inheritance money to cover their debts but we didn't so they'd leave it all to them.  Sigh.....

My dad doesn't know anything about my my FIRE plans but he has made me the sole beneficiary of all of his accounts because he thinks I'm the only one of his 3 children who knows how to save money. This happened after numerous discussions about saving instruments and my goal of buying a rental property. I convinced him to change his retirement savings to a company with lower fees last year.

He is a very frugal man (Mom is a spender, that's why they're divorced :-)) and has worked hard, often multiple jobs (current 1 ft, 1 pt and 2 side hustles) and I think the idea of them squandering what took him years to build irritates him. He told me its up to me if I share with them. I said to him, "529 accounts for all my nieces and nephews, done!"

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #81 on: April 04, 2015, 05:28:17 AM »

When my time comes, I'll probably just say, "I'm quitting work to like... chill or whatever."

"I'm quitting work.... to pursue my dream of doing nothing."
And I'm keeping my stapler.


(nod to Office Space.)

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #82 on: April 05, 2015, 11:28:17 AM »
Chops, I actually would never move back to the Midwest. I live in a very mild 4 season area & the weather is wonderful.  I am glad I raised my kids there though.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #83 on: April 05, 2015, 01:12:24 PM »
Cassie, where do you live? We are on the lookout for a mild 4 season area to move to and most places fall short.

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Re: Gotta love conversations with coworkers
« Reply #84 on: April 05, 2015, 02:51:57 PM »
Northern Nevada. It is more expensive then the Midwest but not horribly so.