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eljefe-speaks

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Good Article with a Great Link
« on: February 08, 2018, 07:14:38 AM »
1. Well-written, thought-provoking article: https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/02/achtung-baby-by-sara-zaske-reviewed.html

2: Dig the hyperlink behind "car-clown" in the 7th paragraph.

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Re: Good Article with a Great Link
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2018, 09:48:15 AM »
That was good.

I am so open to my employer (3M) sending me and my family to Switzerland for a few years just to open our minds to different ways of living that make more sense.


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Re: Good Article with a Great Link
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 10:29:53 AM »
Ha! I skimmed the article this morning (Big 'ole "Yep", with the caveat "know your child", as I think this would work great for more outgoing kids like my first, and more cautious kids might need a little more parental support), and noted the "clown-car" link, but didn't follow it. That's awesome!

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Re: Good Article with a Great Link
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 02:38:35 PM »
TheHusbandHalf built our garage and there was a time when the concrete floor was poured, block around the outside, but walls hadn't been started yet. It was about 150 ft from the road. It's probably another 200 ft to the house across the road.

I got a call from the mom across the street, to let me know my kids (3 and 5, littlest was napping) were running around on the concrete with a hose, and no clothes!  Sounded like fun to me but I didn't like them running on a wet smooth concrete floor, so I took the hose.

End of story, right?

A few days later my mother, who lives a half mile down the road, said that the two old ladies (I knew who she meant, my Dad did field tile jobs for them. I don't think I can describe them, but they were 'kept their kleenex in their bra' age) stopped to pay Dad. The told him he wouldn't believe what they saw!!!! There were children down the road a ways running around naked with a hose!

I still don't see a problem with it.

When my oldest went to kindergarten (we live in an agricultural area) and the first week he came home and said he kind of got in trouble. Seems he had to pee at recess so he just went out in the cornfield and went. "Mommy, I guess it's not allowed."  "How about if you just do that at home and at Grandma and Papas's?"

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Re: Good Article with a Great Link
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 09:43:21 PM »
Cool! I thought I was the only person who read both slate and MMM.

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Re: Good Article with a Great Link
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2018, 11:54:45 AM »
This really drives home how toxic and fearful American culture is, compared to other First World nations. We've never been richer, more peaceful or more secure than we are now, but that only seems to have increased our paranoid determination to shelter our kids from all possible dangers or challenges, however unlikely.

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Re: Good Article with a Great Link
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2018, 03:14:02 PM »
Wow.

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Re: Good Article with a Great Link
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2018, 09:56:00 PM »
This really drives home how toxic and fearful American culture is, compared to other First World nations. We've never been richer, more peaceful or more secure than we are now, but that only seems to have increased our paranoid determination to shelter our kids from all possible dangers or challenges, however unlikely.

How is the United States different from other First World nations?  Let's take Germany for example.  Compared to the U.S., Germany is very non-diverse.  As of 2016, despite some recent large surges of migrants into the country, Germany is 81% German, and 93% white.  Another 5% of the country are Turkish/Middle Eastern/North African—also racially white, but usually distinctive enough to be considered "different."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany#cite_ref-Bev%C3%B6lkerung_mit_Migrationshintergrund_-_Ergebnisse_des_Mikrozensus_2016_48-1

The U.S. is way more diverse.  As of 2015, here's how we shake out:  62% White, 18% Hispanic, 13% Black, 5% Asian, 3% "other."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity  The current trajectory of the U.S. is yet more diversity, and Whites are projected to lose majority status in the near future.

Unfortunately, racial and ethnic diversity tends to breed mistrust.  Don't take my word for it, listen to left-wing sociologist Robert Putnam of Harvard University tell it:  http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/ I think the increasing diversification of America is one of the leading causes of (but not the only cause of) increased fear and a more pampered childhood that is now typical in the U.S.  I also think it is behind the increased germophobia that I've noticed over my lifetime.  There are deep evolutionary reactions to being around others from an "outgroup" that a lot people have a hard time shaking.  See, e.g., https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271212173_Germs_and_the_Out-group_Chronic_and_Situational_Disease_Concerns_Affect_Intergroup_Categorization

What Sarah Zaske is pushing in Achtung Baby, similar to Pamela Drukerman's Bringing Up Bébé, sounds suspiciously like childhood in the United States during the "Leave it to Beaver" years. In 1960, the U.S. was much less diverse:  85% White, 11% Black, 3% Hispanic, Asian 0.5%.  I don't think it's a coincidence, though again, I don't think it's the only cause.  A good natural experiment will be to see how European attitudes toward child rearing change, if at all, as those nations are poised to become more diverse.