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From Zero to Hero: Mustachian Scenario Question
« on: September 25, 2013, 07:41:00 PM »
I have been out of work for a few months and recently had a very promising job offer fall through.  However, I have enough consulting work that I am able to pay all bills on time and in full, and it leaves me with nearly full days available to pursue whatever I want.  I'm not getting ahead, and I'm not falling behind.  It occurred to me that it made for an interesting mustachian scenario question.  Keep in mind, this isn't about MY circumstances per se, just about seeing how my fellow mustachians would address it if they were there.  So, here are the parameters, and you say how YOU would address the situation:

* $10K Startup capital for any venture
* Your own personal level of education and talents
* Avoid taking a "normal" 9-5 job.  Self-employment or starting a business is ok.
* Starting with enough passive or minimal time investment income to make all bills on time, but not to save in any way.

Given the above, how would you turn $10K and full free time into a thriving mustachian empire?  Remember, it's not about what I should do, it's about what you would do given these circumstances and limitations.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2013, 07:50:55 PM by iamlindoro »

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Re: From Zero to Hero: Mustachian Scenario Question
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2013, 01:03:07 PM »
Sorry to hear the job offer fell through, but good for you treating it as an opportunity.

If it was me, I would ignore the $10k in capital and only pursue a venture that I could get off the ground with almost no up-front costs (say, a couple of hundred dollars or less). I would only start to invest money in the venture once it was already profitable, and then I would only put in small amounts of money that I was confident would lead to greater profits.

If had enough income from other sources to cover my expenses as described, I would definitely only do something fun and that I could envision would remain fun even when I was doing it more and more, as a business. That part seems more difficult than it appears on the surface, because there have been a lot of things that I've thought, "That would be fun" that would quickly become a chore as soon as I had to do it on a regular basis. And if my goal was to launch a growing enterprise as described, I would make sure to only take on ventures where I could outsource parts of the business so that if it became very successful, I wouldn't be tied to 60 hour work-weeks keeping it that way. So something like dog walking would work, where once you've established a clientele and proven track record, then you could hire some reliable students to take on the majority of the work.

As to WHAT I would do, who knows! Since I'm expecting to ER in one month, I've put more thought into this lately. Right now topping my list is teaching martial arts/self defense/security/protection, probably in one-on-one sessions (not groups or classes) with high profile (i.e., wealthy) clients. I might also teach/coach in a skill I've acquired over the years that I'm not ready to divulge, in order to keep all you highly enterprising vultures away from it ;-)

I might also consider gaining expertise in some kind of niche market where I could resell items on eBay/etc, preferably in larger ticket items. I would have no interest in doing high volume, would prefer to focus on something where I could turn a profit of $100+ on any sale (I have no interest or experience in antiques, but that might be an example of somewhere you could gain expertise and get nice returns, or perhaps art work). That might be another case where you could outsource the grunt work (shipping, customer contact, etc.) and focus your expertise on locating quality items that would generate large profits.

And of course real estate investing, though capital is clearly required unless you can line up a financier.

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Re: From Zero to Hero: Mustachian Scenario Question
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2013, 06:24:13 AM »
Oh, I like this game.

I have the education and experience to make a go of it as a consulting programmer, but computer science has been my day job, and while I enjoy it, it isn't how I'd like to spend 40hrs/week.

Right now, I'd get into photography. Fine art, selling large enlargements (not inkjet prints, but proper optical enlargements). I already have all the gear, and I enjoy it immensly. My only start up costs be making an inventory of prints for sale.

Throw in some 'working photographer' portrait jobs, and a bit of computer consulting, and I'd be a happy camper (if I had the business skill to pull it off).

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Re: From Zero to Hero: Mustachian Scenario Question
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2013, 08:10:55 AM »
Nice question.  Right now I am a part time speech therapist working in public schools.  The schedule is perfect since I have little kids not yet in school.  However, if I was presented with your scenario without little kids I would use some of the $10,000 to get some additional training in the area of accent modification and therapy materials.  I would then use some money for advertising and possibly rent a little space in downtown Seattle to work with people wanting to make their accents more intelligible.  I could also travel from office to office and work with people there so I wouldn't have to rent a space and the clients wouldn't have to spend their work time traveling to me.  I could set my own schedule and take on how many clients I choose.

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Re: From Zero to Hero: Mustachian Scenario Question
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2013, 10:09:27 AM »
Buy wholesale re-sell on ebay/amazon?  Thrift stores, garage sales, flea markets, etc.  This is what I know though, so it's definitely a comfortable option for me.

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Re: From Zero to Hero: Mustachian Scenario Question
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2013, 10:23:54 AM »
This would be a bit out of my comfort zone, but would be fun to try. Start a food truck serving all gluten free foods in Houston. I don't know the logistics of it, but I bet I could get it going on less than 10K. Then if successful, roll the profits into starting a brick and mortar gluten free restaurant. Why a GF restaurant? Houston is one of the best places in the country to start a restaurant, yet there are no all gluten free (meaning safe for celiacs) restaurants in this city, the 4th largest city in the US. Currently the stats on celiac diagnosis is 1:133 and diagnoses are increasing as awareness increases in the US medical profession. Many more people have discovered they are gluten intolerant, and feel better eating GF. So, even when the gluten free fad dieters move on to something else, I think there will still be a strong market. Plus, on a personal level, I want a restaurant where my son can order a GF meal without the clueless waiter putting a slice of wheat bread on his plate.

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Re: From Zero to Hero: Mustachian Scenario Question
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2013, 03:52:01 PM »
I've dabbled as a wedding dj, I bet if I took the 10k and invested in some serious sound gear and did some marketing I could make some good money with that. 

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Re: From Zero to Hero: Mustachian Scenario Question
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2013, 04:32:43 PM »
I'd draw on professional connections in my field (libraries) to pull together some kind of consortial project, and then apply for a bunch of grants to fund it, budgeting for a position for myself as the project director. While I was raising that money, I'd do some smaller consulting projects and ramp up my side hustle flipping antiques. I don't think I need more than a thousand or two of the $10k.
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Re: From Zero to Hero: Mustachian Scenario Question
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2013, 09:01:15 AM »
I'm in about the same boat, iamlindoro.

Right now, I'm tutoring at 25$/hr for 20 hours a week. Pays the bills. Or, rather, since my wife's income pays the bills (hey, it's passive on my part :P ) it puts us back on track for savings. It's kind of dead-ended, and I don't think I want to keep at it until I hit FI, but! It is what it is. If I were more managerial and business-minded, I suppose I could try and get some subcontractors and turn it into a little educational empire, but that doesn't appeal to me at all.

I like the food truck idea. I was thinking a vegan one, here-- we have a strong tradition of 'chip stands' that predates the food truck fad, but even the chips are fried in lard, usually.
The stats on new restaurants hold me back. Too much work for too little payoff and far too high a chance of failure. If I wouldn't invest my money into someone else doing it, I'm not investing my time and my money in the same scheme.

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Re: From Zero to Hero: Mustachian Scenario Question
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2013, 07:00:56 PM »
I have been out of work for a few months and recently had a very promising job offer fall through.  However, I have enough consulting work that I am able to pay all bills on time and in full, and it leaves me with nearly full days available to pursue whatever I want.  I'm not getting ahead, and I'm not falling behind.  It occurred to me that it made for an interesting mustachian scenario question.  Keep in mind, this isn't about MY circumstances per se, just about seeing how my fellow mustachians would address it if they were there.  So, here are the parameters, and you say how YOU would address the situation:

* $10K Startup capital for any venture
* Your own personal level of education and talents
* Avoid taking a "normal" 9-5 job.  Self-employment or starting a business is ok.
* Starting with enough passive or minimal time investment income to make all bills on time, but not to save in any way.

Given the above, how would you turn $10K and full free time into a thriving mustachian empire?  Remember, it's not about what I should do, it's about what you would do given these circumstances and limitations.

The wife and I discussed this recently actually, if we started over with nothing (went bankrupt tomorrow), how fast could we reach FI.  We figured 5 years, assuming we immediately quit our jobs, rather than continue to do them (they hold our income back, but we enjoy them).

If I was willing to put in the work, and wanted to make a lot of money, based on what I know, I'd start four businesses, all in real estate:
1) A wholesaling/flipping company (two very different things, but both would overlap a lot in terms of marketing and acquisition,
2) A buy and hold company (mostly a shell, not a lot of employees, but would be the end "buyer" on some of the rehabs or on properties that didn't need a lot of rehab)
3) A property management company
4) A real estate education company

If I didn't want to do a lot of work, I'd probably just do 1 and 2. 

Though the truth is, we'd probably just stay at our jobs and hit FI in a decade.  Rather do 10 years at something we really enjoy than 5 years of something we don't enjoy as much.  Maybe.  It's hard to make that call not being in the situation.
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Re: From Zero to Hero: Mustachian Scenario Question
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2013, 09:46:06 AM »
I actually just quit my job to do this, although I don't need the 10k startup money.

I am building a web-based game that people play for free, then I will make money from microtransactions. My first monetary goal is to replace my living costs, and my second monetary goal is to replace the income from the job I left. Here's hoping I have the stick-with-it-ness to make this successful!

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!