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NomadADV

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Fire in 60 days
« on: May 25, 2021, 07:39:13 PM »
I am 50 and believe I have enough to get me to 59.5 to access the bulk of my accounts. I currently have in accessible money:

Checking/savings $15,000
Standard Investing Account $113,000
and $208,000 in a pretax account I am able to draw from without the standard penalty.
A Roth principle is available if necessary with over $100,000.

Yearly spending is between 25k-35k.

On day one of Fire, what is the best strategy on potentially shifting money around. Should I move a year or more money into checking from other accounts or leave things be until the checking $15000 gets lower? Just trying to consider what type of non volatile cash reserves are recommended to be on hand. I have heard some keep 3 years of yearly spending on hand to avoid withdraws during market lows.

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Re: Fire in 60 days
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2021, 06:50:53 AM »
Do you have additional assets that are available (that you haven't listed) that become available after you reach 59.5?  If not, your plans seem a little lean/risky to me, depending on how much you might be expecting from Social Security too.  Also, don't forget that you might have some additional costs (like health insurance) that you might need to start paying for out of pocket, instead of being covered by an employer.

Good luck.

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Re: Fire in 60 days
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2021, 07:09:51 AM »
Your plan is similar to mine. I'd been planning to move $100K into checking/savings to keep it easily liquid. That should cover the first few years and allow me to adjust spending and account drawdowns as I get acclimated. I'm five years from FIRE, and my retirement accounts are on track, but I'm running behind on shoring up accessible funds to bridge the gap until 59.5. For that reason, I'm also toying with a barista FIRE model where I cover some expenses with PT work or consulting.

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Re: Fire in 60 days
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2021, 07:43:37 AM »
You'll be able to do some money moves to take advantage of your low tax rate when spending your accessible money.  Things like converting pretax accounts to Roth accounts can be useful down the road as they'll make your taxes at 60+ lower.  Roth accounts don't have RMDs, so if you're planning on having lots of assets once retired, it's useful to have your balance in a Roth account.

I've heard too may stories about funds in a checking account going missing to trust that much money in an checking account.  I would keep any cash funds you want on hand in a money market account or savings account, and move a few weeks or a month over at a time.  You don't want your credit card company pulling out $29k instead of $2,900 and leaving you scrambling for funds.

How much to keep in cash is usually how much makes you conformable, but any money you keep in cash instead of invested affects your asset allocation.  So account for that in your projections, or simply subtract that amount from your nest egg in calculating if you have enough.  There are some withdrawal methods that rely on keeping an amount of cash on hand that you spend on poorly-performing years, but it doesn't sound like you're asking about that.

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Re: Fire in 60 days
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2021, 08:49:13 AM »
1st Day FIRE is the wrong time for action.
Jack Bogle -  best rule I think is 'don't do something, just stand there.'
Unless you're going to die the the day after FIRE, there should be no real change in your asset allocation.  You have 40 or so years of FIRE ahead of you.

At 25k/year, have you considered  72(t) SEPP withdrawal? At least to the level of your standard deduction.

3years of cash would be a major drag on your returns. I suggest one or less.

Also note that at 25k/year your taxable withdrawals and qualified dividends are taxed at.... 0%....

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Re: Fire in 60 days
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2021, 08:52:12 AM »
If you fear that you or the collective we are forgetting something, try: https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/post-fire/pre-fire-checklist/

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Re: Fire in 60 days
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2021, 03:29:18 PM »
Do you have additional assets that are available (that you haven't listed) that become available after you reach 59.5?  If not, your plans seem a little lean/risky to me, depending on how much you might be expecting from Social Security too.  Also, don't forget that you might have some additional costs (like health insurance) that you might need to start paying for out of pocket, instead of being covered by an employer.

Good luck.

Yes I do, I am solid there. I am just trying to bridge the gap to 59.5. I have not even weighed in the social security, just not counting or worrying about that. Health insurance will run me around $130/month.

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Re: Fire in 60 days
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2021, 03:43:03 PM »
At 25k/year, have you considered 72(t) SEPP withdrawal? At least to the level of your standard deduction. 3years of cash would be a major drag on your returns. I suggest one or less.
Also note that at 25k/year your taxable withdrawals and qualified dividends are taxed at.... 0%....

I need to look more into a SEPP, but I am mostly trying to leave the pretax accounts alone until 59.5. I am interested in a Roth Conversion. Something that can be tax free and moved into a Roth but as single filer, that number would be $12,400 unless there is something I am not aware of.

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Re: Fire in 60 days
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2021, 03:10:05 PM »
At 25k/year, have you considered 72(t) SEPP withdrawal? At least to the level of your standard deduction. 3years of cash would be a major drag on your returns. I suggest one or less.
Also note that at 25k/year your taxable withdrawals and qualified dividends are taxed at.... 0%....

I need to look more into a SEPP, but I am mostly trying to leave the pretax accounts alone until 59.5. I am interested in a Roth Conversion. Something that can be tax free and moved into a Roth but as single filer, that number would be $12,400 unless there is something I am not aware of.

I've tried to fill up my taxable deduction, and since I have no Roth Conversion or W-2 income, I picked a SEPP.
For your situation:
https://engaging-data.com/tax-brackets/?fs=0&reg=12000&cg=13000

For my education on singles (I'm MFJ)
https://engaging-data.com/tax-brackets/?fs=0&reg=12000&cg=40500

 

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