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Hey all. So I have become desperate in my search for my next steps and was hoping to get some help from you guys. Long story short, I am a Bachelor of Science in CS grad, working in software for about 5 years professionally. I got into this because I had a knack for it, knew it would be good $, and at one time genuinely enjoyed it. 5 years into it, I am totally and completely tired of office work.. and its becoming a nightmare to get myself motivated. I have very little interest in high technology in general, and outside of work I spend next to 0 time with any sort of tech besides video games once in a while. I thought the domain I was working in was the problem, but even when I try to get excited about a side project.. it falls flat. I find myself most happy when I am working with my hands, being outside, changing scenery often, and most definitely not being at a desk. I spend almost all of my free time baking, working on my car, leatherworking, and a few other hobbies that I love. I know every hobby cannot be a job... but the huge difference in the things I love compared to my career has me really feeling like something is wrong.
The issue now is that I am having a terrible internal struggle pulling myself away from my career. I know that I can continue to fake happiness for many years, bag a huge salary, and be secretely miserable every day. Since I invested so much time and money into my degree... I am having trouble justifying leaving the industry. I have looked into trade jobs, and most of them seem to attract high school grads and have pretty low pay rates. Part of me feels like I have come too far to take a job that a high school grad would take. Its making me feel like I am throwing away a life that many trade workers would kill for. Its not that I think Im too good for these jobs.. I just feel like leaving a high paying career is somehow a wrong move, especially when I still have debt to pay off. One part of me is saying to suck it up.. and that I dont have to be happy at work. But the other part of me feels as though what I am feeling is not normal.. and work shouldnt depress me..
I just dont know what to do. I feel like office work is slowly killing me.. both physically and mentally. Any advice? Words of encouragement? Im happy to provide any more information in hopes of some good direction.

There does seem to be a difference in the goals of most users here and myself though. Although retiring early would be great... its not my #1 concern. Sometimes I think I would be OK working a bit longer doing something that at least does not make me miserable.. as opposed to forcing myself to continue doing something I hate until I can save enough to quit. Realistically.. with my current loan debt I would need a few more years to pay it off. Then I would be able to start really saving and heading towards freedom... but I estimate it would take about 10 years total. I am really not sure my body and mind can handle this for another 10 years though.

If I even slightly enjoyed what I was doing.. I would be totally willing to suck it up.. push through.. and get a really high salary so I can retire sooner than later. Problem is.. I truly feel as though if I stay doing this much longer.. its going to break me. It is already affecting my home life.. by totally draining me mentally and causing me to lose ambition in other areas as well.
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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2017, 07:48:09 AM »
I don't have any tremendous words of wisdom, but we all deserve not to be miserable. I'm also pretty unhappy with the current state of my job as the politics are out of control. What has helped is focusing on the exit plan, which won't be immediate, but which will be worth it. So, I bide my time, do more of all those other things I love and try to work less while stashing cash for a change. Hang in there.

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2017, 08:16:10 AM »
You didn't say how old you were, but I'm guessing mid-late 20's-early 30's.

That is NOT too late.  If you've got the brains for a CS degree you can handle a career change.  Sounds like you should definitely make one.

One caveat: make SURE that if you pursue one of your hobbies as a career, that you can handle the downsides (less money long term, longer hours, no health insurance, added responsibilies of running your own busines, job insecurity, etc) to that particular job.  Talk to people who ARE trying to make a living.  Make sure this isn't just a matter of he "grass being greener" type thing.

I always regretted not taking time off from my career to be a professional musician...until I became one and saw some of the downsides.  Glad I didn't fully commit to that.

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2017, 08:16:37 AM »
I can totally relate to your current state.  I too graduated with a degree in a field that I absolutely love and do well in, chemical engineering.  However, working as an engineer sucks.  I made some mistakes early on in my career and that has limited my skills, earnings, potential for advancement, etc.  to the point where my career has reached its peak about 7 years in.  I knew about 4 years into my career that I had made the wrong choice, I spent years 4 through 8 absolutely miserable.  Year 7 was the worst!  I almost ended up divorced, I was about 10 pounds heavier, high body fat percentage, binge drinking, etc.  To make maters worse, my coworkers were starting to have heart attacks, having joint replacements, their spouses were dying, and more. Then I found MMM.  It changed my life.  I had substantial savings but I was pissing away a huge amount of money to fake happiness.  So I started actually making myself more happy. 

First, I returned to my old passions, dancing and sewing.  I started to care less about work and focused more on my hobbies.  Second, I got a job that gave me a pay bump and a lot more vacation time.  It also let me change my schedule to only work 4 day weeks.  With the better schedule, I started working on my passions and getting in shape.  Being happier has meant that I have stopped spending so much money on crap, and my savings rate has sky rocketed.  I'm not going to lie and say it was easy or quick.  It took me about 6-months to a year to really get somewhere better.

So that's my advice, make yourself happy while you are working.  I think this is important because EVERY job will have crappy parts, and you can't let them make you miserable.  I suggest that you focus on reducing the "I feel like office work is killing me... physically" feeling first.  For me that meant walks during lunch, a standing desk, a kettle bell for quick 5-minute workout sessions throughout the day, and doing squats, dips, and pushups in my office or in the bathroom. I also started doing yoga to help with stress relief.  I like to use online videos since they are free.  Once you feel better, try to see if you can get better time off, more pay, flex-time, paid or unpaid leave, etc. to leave you with more time.  Then force yourself to make the most of your free time.  For me, this meant forcing myself to stick to deadlines.  For example, I got rid of a bunch of dance clothes and had to make 6 new outfits in 2 month for a festival.  You could enter a baking competition or a craft fair where you could sell your leather work.

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2017, 08:29:19 AM »
I know what you feel like. I work in software as well, as a non-tech person (although I'm not actually doing technical work, I'm in a supporting role) and all my life I've wanted to work with my hands. It's all that makes me happy. I don't earn a lot because I can't work fulltime due to health reasons, and because of that I'm also sure I couldn't actually do the work I love as a fulltime job. It would be too heavy physically, as well as earn me about half the money I earn now. It's not just this specific job. I'm not an office-person. I'm a farmer's daughter and had I been healthy, I'm sure that would have been my work now. What I do dislike about this specific job is that I have very little human contact, except with a few coworkers. Communication with customers and suppliers is strictly through e-mail. I am looking around for a job with more actual human contact.

I am a long way from FI as well, so I can't just quit my job and go do what I love. I do try to incorporate fun stuff in my daily life. As I said, I don't work fulltime, so I can spend time at home doing things I love. At some point I'll probably move to a house with a bit more outdoor space and hopefully I'll be able to work even less in the future so I have more time to sew, craft, bake, cook, can and potter around in the garden.

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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2017, 08:40:19 AM »
You didn't say how old you were, but I'm guessing mid-late 20's-early 30's.

That is NOT too late.  If you've got the brains for a CS degree you can handle a career change.  Sounds like you should definitely make one.

One caveat: make SURE that if you pursue one of your hobbies as a career, that you can handle the downsides (less money long term, longer hours, no health insurance, added responsibilies of running your own busines, job insecurity, etc) to that particular job.  Talk to people who ARE trying to make a living.  Make sure this isn't just a matter of he "grass being greener" type thing.

I always regretted not taking time off from my career to be a professional musician...until I became one and saw some of the downsides.  Glad I didn't fully commit to that.

I am 27 :) Im not even sure I want to/need to make one of my hobbies a career... I really just have a few definite criteria for what I would need to not be miserable at work:

1) It cant be sitting/standing at a desk all day. I just cant deal with it anymore. Its both physically and mentally killing me.
2) I really prefer not to work on a screen all day. Its fine if there is a computer aspect... but staring at a monitor all day just makes me feel like crap.

I really long for a job where I am moving around, and not doing the same thing day after day. While in college.. I worked part time as a vet technician.. and although the pay was shit.. and I often literally had to clean shit.. It was a job that I can clearly remember being happy to go to. Every day brought something new, and I never knew what to expect when I got to work. I felt like I was genuinely helping people, and the work was never monotonous. This is the kind of thing that I see myself doing... but it seems as though everything even remotely close to this would result in a MAJOR salary decrease. This is what is holding me back. I feel like I will be abandoning a career with sure fire high-salary and job opportunities everywhere. If I had 0 debt it would be much easier.. but I am honestly petrified to take a pay cut... :(

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 09:36:51 AM »
I can commiserate to an extent, except that I'm 39 and will probably just power through the handful of years remaining to reach FI rather than switch gears at this point. With a mortgage and three kids (and college looming in 2019 for the first) I can't step back and take the big pay cut to do what I enjoy. The good news is, with two engineering salaries in the house, we only have a few more years to reach FI and then we can comfortably do whatever. I totally get it though about not wanting to be on a screen all day (although I am too), and rarely using tech in my free time! Anyway, some people here on the forums take the high salary route and save a very high percentage, and then either retire completely or take a drastic pay cut to do something else they really enjoy. Others really optimize their spending so they need a much lower salary and can do what they enjoy sooner. There's no one size fits all, so you'll have to do some thinking there to figure out what will work for you.

I highly recommend you go over to case studies and throw all your numbers down for the group here to scrutinize. If you know for sure what you really NEED to earn to reasonably maintain your lifestyle (or where you can reduce your spending) then you can move forward whichever way you choose. Your comment of "if I had 0 debt it would be much easier" means you could probably benefit from a case study. It may be you have to power through in your miserable job until the debt is eradicated; maybe not.

At any rate, welcome to the forum and good luck!

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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2017, 10:23:24 AM »
It took me a minute to realize that this wasn't one of my posts. I've worked in IT for 16 years and feel the same way at times; bored, unfulfilled, restless...

I would highly suggest looking for IT work with a public school or local government. The hours are great, pay is fair(union), benefits are awesome and at least you are contributing to the success of future generations. I still look at a computer screen most of the day, but I don't feel completely hopeless doing the job.

If nothing else you can focus more on what you do outside of work and try to identify yourself with that. The most important things you do in your lifetime won't be at done at work. I'm a mechanic, plumber, financial planner, chef, handyman, travel agent, investor, etc. If you are suffering from burnout, look into early retirement more. FIRE has been a light at the end of the tunnel for me and it makes the job bearable knowing I'll get out earlier than most(I'm 35 now).

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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2017, 10:51:02 AM »
Haven't read it, but have heard good things about the book "Shopcraft as Soulcraft" -- maybe it could give you some perspective/ideas?

Have you ever tried contract work as a programmer?   If you could find something part-time/part-year to earn your basic living expenses and then spend the rest of the time on your passions maybe that would help.   You are at an advantage with a high-earning skill.

Alternatively, why not look into training for one of the trades -- you could work for someone else for awhile (in places with building booms going on there are major shortages in just about every trade, so probably easy to get hired on) and if you like it start your own business and work as much or little as you like/need.   You might have to deal with people not as intellectually minded as you are at first, but if you have your own company you could look for people like you to help.

This is something I have been considering. I have always thought I needed to have a single source of income that would be enough to live... but considering how flexing software development can be.. it seems very do-able to work from home contractually while at the same time moving toward some other ventures (a trade, personal business, etc). Your last suggestion was exactly what I was thinking about. Electricians in my area can make upwards of 60k a year after training for 4-5 years (although during training you make more like 25k). If I could get through the early years by supplementing with my dev skills and getting help from my wife.. I could wind up with a decent salary and possibly turn it into a business eventually. 60k is quite a bit less than I make now... but a bit of supplemental income along with the removal of misery from my life may just be worth it :)

Theres a lot to think about...

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2017, 10:57:50 AM »
I came here to pretty much make this same post.

Not sure what do do either, not to hijack your thread, but I'm making so much money now (35 years old) it's so hard to walk away. I've worked my whole life to make my current salary, it's always been my target. I'm stacking cash like mad (kinda, stacking $2-3k a month) but I still owe $190k on my house. If I stay in this job I can pay that house off pretty quick, in like 3 or 4 years. It would be crazy to walk away... but I don't know if I can do it even one more day let alone several more years.

I just have to stick with the plan. Get my van finished, rent my house out, live in my van and still do corporate job. Stack more aggressively and then walk out one day with middle finger in the air.


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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2017, 11:44:21 AM »
Amazing how many of us are in the same situation.  High paying jobs but not happy being in them.  I'm in that position but might not have to make the choice as my employer might make it for me.  I am about 5-6 years away from FI but will most likely be getting let go in the 1st quarter. 

I work at a place where my board of directors takes all the credit for things going right (which they have been) but always tells me if anything goes wrong its my fault and they will hold it against me.  The business has had the best 3 years financially since I've been in charge.  I don't need a pat on the back but I can't handle all the threats anymore.  One of the directors is a bully and the other makes threats that I will get canned if something small goes wrong.  When you work in a business that makes money by taking risk there is always a chance something can go wrong.  It's just a matter of time.  I've never been a fan of bully's and I've had to deal with him for 17 years (worked there for 17 but only in charge for 3).  He's very mean and one of those guys that is always trying to make you look bad so he can look good.  He is also very rich as is most of my board.

At my review last week I told them that I can't work under those threats anymore and they didn't take it well.  So I'm pretty sure my days are numbered.  In the end I hope it will be a blessing but kind of worried right now.  If I can't find other employment I will eat away of any chance at FI.  I have 2 kids starting college in the next 3 years but will have to eat into my nest egg to cover costs if I'm unemployed. 

Life always gives us fun challenges!

Good luck to you with your challenge.

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2017, 12:00:38 PM »
Amazing how many of us are in the same situation.  High paying jobs but not happy being in them.  I'm in that position but might not have to make the choice as my employer might make it for me.  I am about 5-6 years away from FI but will most likely be getting let go in the 1st quarter. 

I work at a place where my board of directors takes all the credit for things going right (which they have been) but always tells me if anything goes wrong its my fault and they will hold it against me.  The business has had the best 3 years financially since I've been in charge.  I don't need a pat on the back but I can't handle all the threats anymore.  One of the directors is a bully and the other makes threats that I will get canned if something small goes wrong.  When you work in a business that makes money by taking risk there is always a chance something can go wrong.  It's just a matter of time.  I've never been a fan of bully's and I've had to deal with him for 17 years (worked there for 17 but only in charge for 3).  He's very mean and one of those guys that is always trying to make you look bad so he can look good.  He is also very rich as is most of my board.

At my review last week I told them that I can't work under those threats anymore and they didn't take it well.  So I'm pretty sure my days are numbered.  In the end I hope it will be a blessing but kind of worried right now.  If I can't find other employment I will eat away of any chance at FI.  I have 2 kids starting college in the next 3 years but will have to eat into my nest egg to cover costs if I'm unemployed. 

Life always gives us fun challenges!

Good luck to you with your challenge.

Good luck to you! I guess the one big thing I have going for me is that I have no kids yet and I am still pretty young. This is why I really want to make a move sooner than later... as I may not have a choice one day...

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2017, 02:54:15 PM »
Jobs tend to pay higher for skillsets that are rarer, but also for conditions that are more stressful and/or less desirable.

There's a reason for so many 'starving artist' or 'aspiring actors' stereotypes.

I'm not a believer in 'loving' your job.  There are exceptions out there, but by-and-large, consider yourself lucky if you find a job that is 'tolerable'.

Tolerable is defined by each individual.   It accounts for general displeasure, but also compensation.

My current job is tolerable.  I'd be a lot happier working it half as much and taking half the pay.  But I haven't found that opportunity yet.

Everything in life has a trade-off including one's job.   Not much is worth true misery, but also try to keep a perspective on that misery.  There are always MORE miserable conditions.  Even a dream job usually has something not-so-great.

None of this provides the OP an answer.  The OP has to work out what combination of conditions returns the best happiness.  Not an easy thing to do.  Good luck!

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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2017, 05:34:03 PM »
I was actually recently in a fairly similar situation. I received a degree in political science, and upon college graduation, I got a job in that field. It was so specialized, that after I realized I was completely miserable ( and boy was I miserable) I though that I had pigeonholed myself and would never be able to get out.

What I ended up doing was positioning myself in my government job, as the go to person for tech issues. Not just fixing computers, but also making processes and making things more efficient (utilizing excel more). When I started to look for another job, I was able to get a gig with a non profit that worked with animals (one of my passions and hobbies) and though I still have no desire to work for a long time -- being with animals, and doing something I'm good at holds a lot of satisfaction.

I'm not sure if you would be able to do this at your current job? Maybe if you would have an interest in marketing for example, you could start spitball those types of ideas to your boss, and gradually position yourself for a career change. Just a thought :)

I actually wrote a post on my blog about why I did this and how I justified it to myself...might be worth a read if you want more deets! I'll be thinking about you and I hope that everything works out -- keep us updated!

http://befindependent.com/2017/11/09/why-i-quit-my-good-paying-government-job/

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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2017, 09:09:54 AM »

My therapist once said to me while I was miserable at my old job: "The main person making the decisions that are keeping you unhealthy and unhappy is you. Whose job do you think it is to make your life better?"

So yeah, now I live, because that's *my* fucking job.

I love this so much.  This sums up how I feel despite the fact that I am in an unfulfilling job.  Thanks for sharing!

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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2017, 11:30:55 AM »

I only scan the forum sporadically but I am fully committed to the concepts.  I note that there are a number of threads recently that indicate people are at the end of their rope in their job.

I am right there with you.  I have trouble figuring how to make through the next day let alone the next week, month or year. 

My job has gotten progressively worse over the last 6 months.  In the last 2 weeks I have been told "you will do this 'questionable assignment' because you report to me and therefore I don't have to explain myself" from my boss. 

I am 6 months to a year out of being really FI but I may have to walk away earlier.  I am worried and stressed.

If I was 5 years out, I do not think I would be able to stay with it, my main goal would be to get away from my job.  I know I have changed for the worse in the 6 years I have been in this "job to get me to Fire" others say I have as well. 

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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2017, 12:29:08 PM »
I work in the public sector, i.e. good benefits, poor salary, and feel if I could just make more I could pay off my student loans, save for FIRE, and start living the life I desire.  I have also been miserable at my job – no matching on 401k, no annual pay increases, very limited promotion availability, boring office work, politics, etc. leaving me feeling unfulfilled and trapped.

Since finding MMM and the FIRE community I have lusted after jobs that make 100k+, which always make me sad because with my degree (BS in Environmental Science) it takes many, many years to get to that level of pay and I’m not looking to work 20+ years.  But then I read stories like yours and realize a super high-paying job doesn’t guarantee happiness either.  It’s not just about the money. 

For me, I started meditating, got out of an unhealthy relationship, made a plan to eliminate the debt, and am looking to relocate out West; somewhere with lower taxes, lower COL, and better quality of life.  Pursuing passions in my free time has helped me feel more fulfilled and even makes me some money on the side!   

It’s encouraging to know there are others out there searching too.  Good luck on your journey!     

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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2017, 12:49:55 PM »
I work in the public sector, i.e. good benefits, poor salary, and feel if I could just make more I could pay off my student loans, save for FIRE, and start living the life I desire.  I have also been miserable at my job – no matching on 401k, no annual pay increases, very limited promotion availability, boring office work, politics, etc. leaving me feeling unfulfilled and trapped.

Since finding MMM and the FIRE community I have lusted after jobs that make 100k+, which always make me sad because with my degree (BS in Environmental Science) it takes many, many years to get to that level of pay and I’m not looking to work 20+ years.  But then I read stories like yours and realize a super high-paying job doesn’t guarantee happiness either.  It’s not just about the money. 

For me, I started meditating, got out of an unhealthy relationship, made a plan to eliminate the debt, and am looking to relocate out West; somewhere with lower taxes, lower COL, and better quality of life.  Pursuing passions in my free time has helped me feel more fulfilled and even makes me some money on the side!   

It’s encouraging to know there are others out there searching too.  Good luck on your journey! 

The high paying job is definitely not going to guarantee happiness. In my case, I work 10 hour days, I am always 'on call', and I completely hate  what I do and the place that I do it. Even if my salary theoretically doubled.. I would be equally as miserable. I barely have a few hours of free time on weeknights before I am tired, plus I am usually in a horrible mood anyway from the crappy day so I would barely have energy to do anything fun with the extra money regardless. The only thing that a higher salary would help is getting to retirement faster .. thats all. I can tell you that if you hate your job as much as I do... no amount of money can cheer you up at the end of the day. Its really the mental part that is breaking me down... so I can barely get excited about good things even when Im out of work.

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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2017, 01:11:39 PM »
Start with what you know you know

You hate being in an office everyday.
Dislike sitting/screens.
You have a degree.
You like variety. YOu like when you don't generally know what the day holds.

 I'm guessing with CS you have a knack for solving problems?  You mentioned enjoying the vet tech, have you considered nursing? Or something along that line -- NP/PA/med tech, etc. You'd likely need training/schooling but with a BS already you wouldn't have to start completely at the bottom.

Some others suggested contracting or consulting. Depending on your day-to-day demands I might suggest a job that involves business travel (more difficult if there are family/at home commitments).  Sure, you're still doing the same basic thing but different issues/problems to solve.

Software sales? --- something not completely foreign to what your experience is in but gets you out and talking to others/interacting.

High school teacher?

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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2017, 01:14:33 PM »
I ran away to massage school, from my high tech job, and lived happily ever after.

Actually I do massage half time and run the database for a terrific nonprofit half time. The database job is way below my skill level -- much of the time it's just data entry -- but they think my average techie skills make me AMAZING and twenty hours a week is totally doable. And I love doing massage, I've always loved it, and I can't believe I get paid for it.

Not paid a lot, for sure. Between both gigs I clear maybe 40K, much less than half what I was making before. We had to sell our nice house and buy a crappy little fixer upper out in the far burbs.

But I am SO HAPPY. I didn't know I could be this happy. I look forward to both my jobs, pretty much every day. I wake up happy and I go to bed happy. It's been ten years and I'm glad every day that I quit my old life.

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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2017, 03:13:18 PM »
I suggest reading "what color is your parachute" to find your passion in life and leverage your degree also.



Another thought, IDK your location, but are there any highly automated manufacturing facilities around you? 

Im sure a CS degree could be put to good use and also add in an element of working with your hands. Not sure what the job title would look like though...

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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2017, 05:33:10 PM »
Also, don't rule out talking to a therapist if you aren't already. Think of it like this: people who use their bodies all day long go see a doctor if their body is hurt. You use your brain all day long and it seems pretty clear your brain is hurting right now to me, at least reading this message board post.

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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2017, 05:47:25 PM »
You've only been working for 5 years, and from your post it vaguely sounds like that's been all at one place. Are you sure it's the work you hate, and not the job you have?


Here's the thing - work is called work because it's work. For many of us, it's never going to be our biggest passion. About the best we can hope for is something that's moderately fulfilling and at least occasionally enjoyable, and that doesn't take up so much of our time or energy that we can't spend time doing the other things that actually are our passions. And I know that I, for one, am much happier with an OK job with great people and plenty of time and brainspace left for passions than I would be struggling to make ends meet doing a job that seemed amazing on the surface.


Before you go about entirely changing careers, I'd put some serious effort into finding other jobs within your industry and career path. Where and with whom you work makes a huge difference, including in tech. You may not love the work, but if you can find some place where you feel the product you're building matters and where you're respected by peers and managers, it's pretty easy to get through the days without loving it.


Side note: tech is heavy on computer time sitting or standing, but it doesn't have to be your whole day. Consider other roles within the software domain, too. A CS background is helpful for most of them, too.

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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2017, 06:58:37 PM »
You've only been working for 5 years, and from your post it vaguely sounds like that's been all at one place. Are you sure it's the work you hate, and not the job you have?


Before you go about entirely changing careers, I'd put some serious effort into finding other jobs within your industry and career path. Where and with whom you work makes a huge difference, including in tech. You may not love the work, but if you can find some place where you feel the product you're building matters and where you're respected by peers and managers, it's pretty easy to get through the days without loving it.


Side note: tech is heavy on computer time sitting or standing, but it doesn't have to be your whole day. Consider other roles within the software domain, too. A CS background is helpful for most of them, too.

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The "What Color Is Your Parachute" book has very good exercises that help you find jobs where you get paid to do things you like and are good at.  Seek and ye shall find!  It's much easier to find a new job than start a new career from scratch.  And being in a high pay bracket is a privilege easy to ignore until you don't have it any more (ask me how I know).

Also it's possible the bad feelings you have will pass.  It might be worth some professional counseling on the feelings part - after all, the job wasn't terrible the whole time, it's simply that your feelings changed.  Taking some action on the interior as well as exterior might be a wise time/effort/$ investment.  After all, if you spent several years in a new career and then its excitement started to fade, you could end up just as unhappy but with less money.

Quick personal story.  Once upon a time I felt so bad about life I considered suicide.  I didn't feel the energy to make the changes that I thought were necessary.  A friend said to me, "Maybe your feelings will change even if you don't do anything.  Could you wait three months and at least find out?"  Well, that much I could do.  Sure enough, after three months I already felt... well, less bad, anyway.  And step by step, life gradually got much better, even though I didn't at first see how that would happen.  I am very glad that I didn't follow the temptation created by feeling so bad, and chose a more moderate option.

The point isn't to be passive, it's just that many different paths can probably each lead you to a better place.  My thought for you would be work on the internal piece and be conservative/thrifty about gradually exploring the external options instead of expecting one grand stroke to provide one grand solution.  Numerous small experiments will pay off, so do them first.

Anyway, good luck!
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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2017, 10:03:17 PM »
Could you downshift to part time hours, flexible work arrangements, take unpaid leave, sabbaticals? Also, take on a side gig / passion project with the additional time?

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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2017, 07:24:39 AM »
I suggest reading "what color is your parachute" to find your passion in life and leverage your degree also.



Another thought, IDK your location, but are there any highly automated manufacturing facilities around you? 

Im sure a CS degree could be put to good use and also add in an element of working with your hands. Not sure what the job title would look like though...

Good point, I have been at the same place. I guess its a possibility that I could be less unhappy somewhere else. Thats whats keeping me from making any big jump. Its super risky.. and my current career path is very safe and very good pay. I have a lot of thinking to do it seems...

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Re: Feeling really down about my job.. but not sure what to do. Help?
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2017, 08:01:59 AM »
It's important (and very difficult) to get a good read on what exactly is making you unhappy.

I totally lucked out: I randomly fell into two work situations, after my hell-in-corporate-land, that gave me exactly what I needed. I needed to work in a really small place -- my nonprofit has seven employees, total -- and I needed to mostly set my own hours, and I needed lots of autonomy. And I needed to work someplace that didn't require me to sell myself & my work (this often, but not always, goes with "small": if they actually know what you're doing, you don't have to prove anything or create any paper trails that say you're doing good work.)

I didn't know that those were the things I needed, though. I just knew my corporate situation was intolerable. If you spend too long being really miserable in a workplace, your judgment starts to crumble too. You may be at the point where you're so unhappy that you just need to get out of it, before you can really think sensibly about what to do next.

You won't necessarily luck out, or land on your feet. The transition to the next thing might be difficult. People may not understand what the hell you're doing, which doesn't help.

But it is absolutely critical that you open space to believe that you *could* be happily productive in a job that seemed worth doing. Work is work, sometimes it's tedious and difficult, but it really shouldn't be miserable.