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« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2018, 08:01:59 PM »
I didn't read through the whole wall of text either. Mostly I spotted the "not enough sleep" and wanted to echo that getting your sleep in line is probably the most important thing you can do for yourself.

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« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2018, 11:20:29 PM »
This post looks like it's time for a Mike Rowe video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY8ode602_8

Mike is a bit of a right winger.  I am not, but I think Mike has pragmatic advice.  He says see where all the people are going and go the other way.  That's where the jobs will be.

Interesting video but if there's an explosion of technical skill jobs and low worker supply as he says, why are those jobs still paying less than the high-education ones (doctors, lawyers, engineers)? Why doesn't the job market correct itself? Or maybe it has and I'm just ignoring the starving liberal arts majors and successful electrician entrepreneurs but still, I'd expect the job market to be a little more efficient than that.

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« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2018, 06:17:23 AM »
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Interesting video but if there's an explosion of technical skill jobs and low worker supply as he says, why are those jobs still paying less than the high-education ones (doctors, lawyers, engineers)?

Many of those jobs pay less because the entry fee is lower.  More education is required for the jobs that you mentioned.  The commitment required by the incumbent and the resources which must be garnered by the incumbent are greater.   In the interest of societal fairness, i would expect some degree of higher pay.  Supply and demand will dictate to some extent the degree of higher pay.  Politics will dictate the rest.

The OP is seeking better work opportunities.  I've watched videos by Mr. Rowe, primarily known for his dirty jobs reality TV show and believe there is some credibility to what he has said.  There are jobs out there that are overlooked by many people.  In fact, these jobs may be considered beneath what many people expect to be doing.  Yet, the jobs are honest work for honest pay and may be an option for the OP.  Mr. Rowe has cited examples of people actually performing the work for a period and then opening their own business performing the same work. 

These examples have allowed these people to be multi millionaires.  It could be the shotcrete (sprayed concrete) suggestion suggested previously is a viable option.  I've worked on jobs where they've had to bring in specialists to spray gunnite and I'll bet the pay was good.  Yes, the pay was not the same as for brain surgery, but it was honest necessary work.

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« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2018, 04:46:02 PM »
In my opinion, part of the mustachian philosophy is the realisation that YOU can take control of your income. You're not dependent on what others will pay you. You can take this control in two ways. One, get a side hustle. Generating some income away from the whole wage-slave roundabout will make you feel so much more independent, even if it's just a small amount. Two, you control what the money you receive does. There are millions of folk out there on huge salaries who have far less going for them than the guy on $30,000 a year .... because they make poor money decisions. YOU can reduce your bills. YOU can save a little. YOU can invest a little. You have choices, and you certainly do not need to be on some of the incomes reported on this forum in order to benefit from those choices. I would worry less about my income and worry more about making the best of what I have. Once you start feeling less hopeless, THEN you can make some further changes.

And just btw, tech and professional are not the only paths to very high income. The trades can earn a small fortune. Remember the old saying: where there's muck, there's brass. Drainlayers make more than the majority of IT professionals in my part of the world. And it's a much easier road to self employment as well.

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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2018, 09:43:55 AM »
It can take a long time ( 6 months to 2 years...) to reset your body chemistry after a sustained time period of not enough sleep. Lack of sleep can bring on symptoms of depression. Take physical care of your self first, good food, water and sleep.
Sometimes it takes time to work yourself into good paying gigs, rarely do people start at high pay. Keep on doing a good job at whatever you do and keep on looking at what is available. Opportunities will arise, especially once you get regular sleep;)

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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2018, 10:53:29 AM »
Government jobs don't necessarily have large salaries, but they often come with excellent benefits: great health insurance and pension plans. You might want to see what kind of jobs your city, county, and state government are posting. Good luck.

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« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2018, 01:28:59 PM »
Hi guys! Checking in.

After reaching out to friends I have a couple leads on jobs. One seemed to good to be true starting around $20 but a couple people in the jobs have told me about it so hopefully it'll work out for me as well. I won't be able to care for my niece but school is starting soon so I'll keep watching her until then. I haven't told my family yet because I feel bad, but I will today so they have a couple weeks to figure out who to watch her between when her parents go to work before school starts and after school before they get off work.

I seriously doubt that the jobs I'm looking into will allow me to come after 9 am and leave before 3 but I'd be willing to work 6 days/week to make up for it. Ah well.

It's another customer service type job with some sales. Having worked plenty of call center jobs my initial reaction was to avoid it like the plague but at $20/hr it's almost double what other call center jobs pay so I'm hoping that bringing in double what I'm used to struggling on will take the edge off. It's amazing how just the thought of more money makes me feel relaxed and better able to handle what might still be a sucky job. I mean, I obviously hope I like it. It's financial stuff, so I'm hoping I'll feel like I'm helping others rather than selling crappy investments and upselling useless products to people. I asked the people currently working there and one answered back that while there are sales targets, he didn't feel that he was constantly under pressure to sell, sell, sell and he didn't feel like he was selling bad products to people. He's moved on to a different position in the company now so he's not on the phones anymore.

I'm hoping this will work out but I also don't want to get my hopes up in case it's terrible and it all comes crashing down. I get that business is business but I can't stand when the environment is high pressure to sell crap that people don't need to them. Some people have a thicker skin for that kind of stuff and seem to drink the company kool-aid and really go for those top commissions and still sleep fine at night. I just can't do it. "Yay! I made the top three this week in sales by convincing 250 people to but a product with insane fees! Yay me!" usually to be followed by some manager pushing me to make it my sales target to dupe 275 people next week.

Crossing my fingers, guys. Thanks again for the support (most of you). I thought it might be really stupid to post here but it's really helped so I'm glad I did it anyway.

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« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2018, 01:57:38 PM »


Why do they think you wouldn't be a good fit? Do you have a disability?


I'm a severe asthmatic so physical activity can often be problematic and obviously anything that involves dust/chemicals I might be exposed to. I'm physically pretty weak. I'd have to get caught up on getting some stronger medications to start out with if I'm going to be doing more manual stuff. I know I'd get physically stronger the more labor I do but it might take me a while to get there. I think even if I were to be given a chance at a trade vs an office job, I worry that I might be more of a burden than a help when it comes down to getting the job done. Once the asthma is triggered, I have to stop what I'm doing, medicate (inhaler for quick response and then nebulizer for longer-lasting more thorough help) and take it easy until lungs are no longer inflamed/swollen. So it would be a full stop.

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If you have an interest in a trade, pursue it. If not, don't pursue it. I would build on an existing interest you might have that can help you develop skills and experience you might be able to use later on if you want to start your own business.


I'm just now learning that I've enjoyed working with things vs computer/paperwork. I've never had any jobs that allowed me to discover/explore that earlier so I have interests but no real experience to know if I'd actually enjoy something or if I just have a habit of trying one thing after another etc.


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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2018, 06:10:48 PM »
One thing you mentioned is that your are a caregiver for a disabled child.

My son is critically ill and I am in that same role (albeit 24/7 in my case).  Don't underestimate how much this can be affecting your mental health.  For the parents of kids with my son's disability, a full 25% of them go on to have PTSD from it.  I recently read a paper that mothers of kids with autism often have stress levels akin to those experienced by combat soldiers (I assume they meant kids with low functioning autism).

If you are caring for her a lot of hours of the week, it really can be a soul sucking experience.  Our culture acts like that is no big deal to be a caregiver, and makes it seem like you are a jerk if you say that an innocent disabled child is harming you, but it really is a mentally trying experience.

I would recommend getting into a facebook group or some online support group for caregivers with this child's disability if you are going to continue.  Also, it is ok to say you can't do it anymore. 

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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2018, 10:40:21 AM »
Are you a good technical person? You could focus on learning to write software, repair machines (computers or vehicles), medical equipment repair, etc. The more technical, the fewer people out there that can compete with you.

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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #60 on: August 07, 2018, 03:10:38 PM »
Hi guys! Checking in.

After reaching out to friends I have a couple leads on jobs. One seemed to good to be true starting around $20 but a couple people in the jobs have told me about it so hopefully it'll work out for me as well. I won't be able to care for my niece but school is starting soon so I'll keep watching her until then. I haven't told my family yet because I feel bad, but I will today so they have a couple weeks to figure out who to watch her between when her parents go to work before school starts and after school before they get off work.

So this child is your niece, and not your own (there is a difference in the level of moral responsibility).  Your family will feel "bad" about you not taking care of your niece, but they do they feel bad about you not having an income?  Do they give you some of their income to make up for your lost income?

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« Reply #61 on: August 07, 2018, 03:49:42 PM »
Best of luck to you with the two new opportunities. I hope one pans out! I just wanted you to know you are not the only person to feel this way. I also have a degree in a non-big-buck field (arts-related) and worked for years in jobs that paid very little and had virtually no opportunity to advance. I felt very down on myself and thought there was no way things would change but eventually I did get a better opportunity and in under a year in that job I was offered a promotion and now I'm making a lot more money and have a more reasonable schedule and things are really so much better. I still fret that it could all go away, those feelings take a long time to go away. Just know you are not alone.

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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2018, 11:34:04 AM »
Hi guys! Checking in.

After reaching out to friends I have a couple leads on jobs. One seemed to good to be true starting around $20 but a couple people in the jobs have told me about it so hopefully it'll work out for me as well. I won't be able to care for my niece but school is starting soon so I'll keep watching her until then. I haven't told my family yet because I feel bad, but I will today so they have a couple weeks to figure out who to watch her between when her parents go to work before school starts and after school before they get off work.

So this child is your niece, and not your own (there is a difference in the level of moral responsibility).  Your family will feel "bad" about you not taking care of your niece, but they do they feel bad about you not having an income?  Do they give you some of their income to make up for your lost income?

Yeah, I hate the assumption that women in families should be totally willing to happily give up their own incomes for caregiving roles. One of my brother's was seriously offended that I didn't drop out of nursing school when my mother got cancer to care for her full time. I asked why HE didn't quit his job to do it, and he had no answer. I just find it really, really frustrating!

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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2018, 01:01:26 PM »
Everybody conveniently ignored the comment about spraying concrete and making $70k. Why is this not an option?

Heh.  You serious?  Come on, breh.
No really, why isn't it an option? Or another job that involves literally getting your hands  dirty but pays well?

OP hasn't responded as to why, but OP's family has told them they are not suited for trades.  I would argue that many family members are not capable of giving good advice.  I was told by many in my family that I wasn't cut out for trades.  Why?  Because I made good grades in school and didn't show any inclination as a child to work on things.  Long story short, I went to college, have a white-collar job, and now work with my hands as a hobby.  People are often wrong about these things.

Now, you and I both know you can't just walk into 70K spraying concrete.  I'm sure some people make a lot doing so, but you don't start out making 70K.  My entire family is comprised of blue collar/tradesmen.  As OP stated, you start out at the bottom of a trade like any other profession.  Is there anything wrong with that?  No.  But, I wanted to state it is a fallacy that you walk into trades knowing very little and make a lot.  Most require a lot of experience and many are requiring education/certifications/licenses now to do really well.

You're absolutely right starting pay is not $70k but I never said that. Staring is in the $15-$20/hr range depending on location. With under a year and a desire to learn with a clean driving record (that is critical) you would be able to command $35/hr. The jobs are all over Indeed.com which is where the owner of the company I talked to advertised. And they can't even get entry level people. Salaries have risen 50% in the past year at his company.

Even a CDL driver, a couple years ago they'd post on CL and within a month have 30 resumes. Now they get about three.

This guy started out after college working with concrete because it paid more than using his degree. Fast forward and now he owns multiple companies, a high end pool company and the gunnite company as well.

I just searched “Concrete” on Indeed. ("Concrete Sprayer" did not return any results.) Here are the first 10 results in my city, without cherry-picking:

Concrete Finisher - $15 - $20 per hour - 2 years of experience required
Concrete Cutter – no wage information shown – requires “solid experience with concrete sawing, cutting, and/or removal”
Concrete Worker - $13 - $20 per hour – 1 year of experience required
Concrete Worker – no wage information shown – “must have previous experience in concrete work”
Concrete and Demo Laborer - $15 - $18 per hour – “person has to have concrete and demo skills
Concrete Finisher – no wage information shown – 5 years experience required
Concrete Worker - $12 - $16 per hour – one year experience required
Pump Operator Trainee & Helper – no wage information shown – requires “general construction knowledge.”
Concrete Finisher - $13 - $30 per hour – requires 5 years experience
Concrete Finisher/Labor – now wage information given – requires 2 years of finishing experience

So it looks like someone with no experience could possibly squeak by as a Pump Operator Helper, assuming s/he has construction knowledge. That job also required a litany of other requirements that made the employer look hostile to total noobs.

These companies are greedy assholes. They want some other company to do all the training so they can get a polished pro for no investment.

Starting in the trades is not as simple as you think.

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« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2018, 01:22:21 PM »
Everybody conveniently ignored the comment about spraying concrete and making $70k. Why is this not an option?

Heh.  You serious?  Come on, breh.
No really, why isn't it an option? Or another job that involves literally getting your hands  dirty but pays well?

OP hasn't responded as to why, but OP's family has told them they are not suited for trades.  I would argue that many family members are not capable of giving good advice.  I was told by many in my family that I wasn't cut out for trades.  Why?  Because I made good grades in school and didn't show any inclination as a child to work on things.  Long story short, I went to college, have a white-collar job, and now work with my hands as a hobby.  People are often wrong about these things.

Now, you and I both know you can't just walk into 70K spraying concrete.  I'm sure some people make a lot doing so, but you don't start out making 70K.  My entire family is comprised of blue collar/tradesmen.  As OP stated, you start out at the bottom of a trade like any other profession.  Is there anything wrong with that?  No.  But, I wanted to state it is a fallacy that you walk into trades knowing very little and make a lot.  Most require a lot of experience and many are requiring education/certifications/licenses now to do really well.

You're absolutely right starting pay is not $70k but I never said that. Staring is in the $15-$20/hr range depending on location. With under a year and a desire to learn with a clean driving record (that is critical) you would be able to command $35/hr. The jobs are all over Indeed.com which is where the owner of the company I talked to advertised. And they can't even get entry level people. Salaries have risen 50% in the past year at his company.

Even a CDL driver, a couple years ago they'd post on CL and within a month have 30 resumes. Now they get about three.

This guy started out after college working with concrete because it paid more than using his degree. Fast forward and now he owns multiple companies, a high end pool company and the gunnite company as well.

I just searched “Concrete” on Indeed. ("Concrete Sprayer" did not return any results.) Here are the first 10 results in my city, without cherry-picking:

Concrete Finisher - $15 - $20 per hour - 2 years of experience required
Concrete Cutter – no wage information shown – requires “solid experience with concrete sawing, cutting, and/or removal”
Concrete Worker - $13 - $20 per hour – 1 year of experience required
Concrete Worker – no wage information shown – “must have previous experience in concrete work”
Concrete and Demo Laborer - $15 - $18 per hour – “person has to have concrete and demo skills
Concrete Finisher – no wage information shown – 5 years experience required
Concrete Worker - $12 - $16 per hour – one year experience required
Pump Operator Trainee & Helper – no wage information shown – requires “general construction knowledge.”
Concrete Finisher - $13 - $30 per hour – requires 5 years experience
Concrete Finisher/Labor – now wage information given – requires 2 years of finishing experience

So it looks like someone with no experience could possibly squeak by as a Pump Operator Helper, assuming s/he has construction knowledge. That job also required a litany of other requirements that made the employer look hostile to total noobs.

These companies are greedy assholes. They want some other company to do all the training so they can get a polished pro for no investment.

Starting in the trades is not as simple as you think.

Nice Google fu

I sat next to the guy who owned the design company and the gunnite company.

What I wrote is what he told me.

Companies ask for experience all the time, but what they want are trainable employees who show up for work.

STARTING in trades is easy, people just don't want to but forth the effort and time in order to stay the course. They don't look one to two years down the line.

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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2018, 01:24:21 PM »
Can you just pay someone to give you concrete spraying lessons?  Couldn't you get the hang of it over 2 days of intense study and practice?   Go to Home Depot, get the concrete, get the machine, get the expert -- learn.  Bam, you now have experience.  You can use that experience to spray concrete for a friend or neighbor for a good price ($1).  Bam, you have professional experience getting paid to spray concrete.

You may have found a loophole, but not for the jobs that require X-years experience - the majority of them.

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« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2018, 01:29:04 PM »
Can you just pay someone to give you concrete spraying lessons?  Couldn't you get the hang of it over 2 days of intense study and practice?   Go to Home Depot, get the concrete, get the machine, get the expert -- learn.  Bam, you now have experience.  You can use that experience to spray concrete for a friend or neighbor for a good price ($1).  Bam, you have professional experience getting paid to spray concrete.

Well it's a little more involved than that. These are large scale engineering projects. You start at the bottom and work your way up.

Or, you could be an underemployed barista at Starbucks complaining about your low paying dead end job.
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« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2018, 01:32:40 PM »
Companies ask for experience all the time, but what they want are trainable employees who show up for work.

Why wouldn't they just put in the job posting exactly what they want instead of discouraging would-be applicants?

As a general rule, my bullshit detector goes to 11 whenever someone talks about how simple something is.

"It simple to fix the economy, all you have to do is..."

"Peace in the middle-east? No problem, just carpet-bomb the entire area." (This was actually told to me once)

"Trade wars are good and easy to win"

No, no, no. Most problems are ridiculously complicated with a lot of moving parts.

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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #68 on: August 08, 2018, 01:39:54 PM »
I think the terms simple and easy should not be used interchangeably. I think the solution to many problems is simple, that doesn't make it easy.

Want to FIRE in 10 years? The math is shockingly simple. The process is not easy.
Want a good paying job? Simple, start at the bottom, work hard, be patient. Not easy.
I could go on and on about tax plans, poverty, the environment, etc.

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« Reply #69 on: August 08, 2018, 02:00:03 PM »
Companies ask for experience all the time, but what they want are trainable employees who show up for work.

Why wouldn't they just put in the job posting exactly what they want instead of discouraging would-be applicants?

As a general rule, my bullshit detector goes to 11 whenever someone talks about how simple something is.

"It simple to fix the economy, all you have to do is..."

"Peace in the middle-east? No problem, just carpet-bomb the entire area." (This was actually told to me once)

"Trade wars are good and easy to win"

No, no, no. Most problems are ridiculously complicated with a lot of moving parts.

???

You're not going to come in off the street making $70k spraying concrete. I never said that. In fact if you go back in the thread and read my post history you'll see exactly what I was referring to.

You don't need any experience to start working in concrete. Hell you don't even need to speak English. Take an entry level position, take it seriously, and learn the trade. Just pick a trade that has good earning potential.
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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2018, 05:10:57 PM »
OP, I don't know you, but you don't seem to have found a "normal" career path you wish to stick with, so you might want to stop listening to some of these relatives and start forging your own path. I have no idea what that looks like, but for me I generally tried different things (within a more "normal" career path, but oh well) and took advantages of opportunities that came along that interested me, and sometimes that led to unexpected places.

Nothing exciting, really. In my case I do like computer stuff, and the past 20-30 years has been a fantastic time to be employed as a guy who likes computer stuff.

But I will say the degree you already have is a ticket that gets past some job gateways no matter what it's for or how old it is. I think I agree it's probably not wise to pursue paying for other schooling for career purposes unless/until you find a path forward you're passionate bout and need to complete some schooling to get to the next level.

4. Remove as much advertising as possible from your life.

Yeah, this. The ads apparently know what works. Back in the day when I'd get computer magazines and/or photography magazines I bought a lot more stuff. I don't remember why I stopped with the magazines, but I did, and I stopped craving and buying so much stuff.

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« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2018, 05:26:35 PM »
Companies ask for experience all the time, but what they want are trainable employees who show up for work.

Why wouldn't they just put in the job posting exactly what they want instead of discouraging would-be applicants?

As an "unemployable" computer programmer who has viewed many such job listings, I think it is that either there really isn't a strong need to add a new employee at this job, but that if the candidate with the perfect experience shows up, he can be put to use, by going after new business, or firing a current troublesome employee, etc.  It could also be that eventually a new employee is going to be hired, and so the hiring process is just set up for a long time to maximize its use.  Of course, it could also be a ploy to fill out an H1B foreign worker visa application with "evidence" that a purple squirrel could not be sourced locally.

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« Reply #72 on: August 08, 2018, 09:25:59 PM »
Oh, yeah, another important thing about forums and sites like this: *most* visitors are perpetual lurkers. Very few actually post, and fewer post prolifically. And of the posters, most only share the good stuff and hide the bad stuff. Not necessarily to mislead people, but happy successful people are just more likely to share than down-on-their-luck folks, and if you're happy now why would you want to bother the world with that particularly tough 5- or 20-year slog before you finally made it?

So this can be good for inspiration while simultaneously make you feel like a failure for not having $500k or more saved by age 30 after growing up an orphan and begging on the streets until age 25 like everyone else. Just understand that you're generally reading the tales well past the good side of the standard deviation. Some people post their failures, and when posting success remember to include that they had a lot of help from inheritances, family, etc., and some seem to focus on just the successful parts.

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« Reply #73 on: August 09, 2018, 06:32:41 AM »
Oh, yeah, another important thing about forums and sites like this: *most* visitors are perpetual lurkers. Very few actually post, and fewer post prolifically. And of the posters, most only share the good stuff and hide the bad stuff. Not necessarily to mislead people, but happy successful people are just more likely to share than down-on-their-luck folks, and if you're happy now why would you want to bother the world with that particularly tough 5- or 20-year slog before you finally made it?

So this can be good for inspiration while simultaneously make you feel like a failure for not having $500k or more saved by age 30 after growing up an orphan and begging on the streets until age 25 like everyone else. Just understand that you're generally reading the tales well past the good side of the standard deviation. Some people post their failures, and when posting success remember to include that they had a lot of help from inheritances, family, etc., and some seem to focus on just the successful parts.

+1  Sometimes I read this forum and am amazed and how together and focused people are.  I'll be hopefully retiring in early 2020 six months after my 50th birthday and I think I've made every stupid mistake there is.  As much as I hate megacorps and my current non-megacorp wanna be company, both my husband and I started at the bottom 10 years ago and each have multiple promotions and pay raises since then.  We both worked hard, tried to provide value and most importantly and this seems to be the one thing people don't do - raise our hands for promotions, extra projects, etc.  I'm just an internet stranger - but if I were you, I'd avoid retail and restaurant jobs like the plague and try to get in at a large employer, whatever the job.  Being eager, smart and caring about the company's bottom line puts you ahead of 80-90% of the people out there. 

Also, and again - internet stranger that does not know your situation - you are caring for your niece so her parents can work.  I understand family ties, but you are enabling them to work at your detriment. 

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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #74 on: August 09, 2018, 10:44:30 AM »
Oh, yeah, another important thing about forums and sites like this: *most* visitors are perpetual lurkers. Very few actually post, and fewer post prolifically. And of the posters, most only share the good stuff and hide the bad stuff. Not necessarily to mislead people, but happy successful people are just more likely to share than down-on-their-luck folks, and if you're happy now why would you want to bother the world with that particularly tough 5- or 20-year slog before you finally made it?

So this can be good for inspiration while simultaneously make you feel like a failure for not having $500k or more saved by age 30 after growing up an orphan and begging on the streets until age 25 like everyone else. Just understand that you're generally reading the tales well past the good side of the standard deviation. Some people post their failures, and when posting success remember to include that they had a lot of help from inheritances, family, etc., and some seem to focus on just the successful parts.

This is where the journals can be nice. You see more of the struggles to the process, and more of the in-progress people rather than the "we have arrived" people.

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Re: Feel so hopeless over getting a job that makes good money.
« Reply #75 on: August 11, 2018, 09:25:31 AM »
Are you getting all the benefits you are entitled to? Food stamps etc. Also I just heard of a website called nanny lane. It's for finding nannies and all of the jobs are required to pay at least minimum wage where you live.