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Everest Wealth Management, who threatened the blog Long Term Returns with legal action earlier this year, and forced it offline, has now threatened the MMM site for discussing their actions related to LTR.

(Note: this is a threat separate from the legal threats from KISS Trust, discussed here:
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/kiss-trust-has-sent-a-legal-threat-to-this-blog/)

The comments made by the author of Long Term Returns about Everest Wealth Management were quoted and discussed in this thread:
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/long-term-returns/

Bogleheads has a thread discussing the LTR site being taken down by the Everest Wealth Management group lawsuit threats as well: http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=118571

Everest Wealth Management claims the comments LTR made, that we quoted and discussed, are libelous.  MMM, who is having a lawyer review the situation, edited the thread to replace the LTR's author's comments with this:
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A Note from MMM about Everest Wealth Management:

I decided to remove the quote that was originally in this box. It wasn't very interesting - just some guy's opinion that Everest could not really guarantee a 7% return. But it is still easily available elsewhere on the Internet. I thought the following information would be even more useful for people researching the company.

A guy named Philip Rousseaux, founder and President of Everest Wealth Management started hassling me by email about this forum thread. He claimed it contained "libelious" information that was damaging his firm, and hinted that if I did not take it down he would be "forced to refer this to counsel".

Why? Because this thread had made it to page 2 on Google search results for people searching for the company by name. He didn't like this.

So this is a company that seems to have a policy of policing the Internet and attempting to take down content that they feel is damaging to them. Rather than trying to post a response with their side of the story, the company decided to ask me - with threat of legal action -to delete the whole thing.

I'll leave it up to you if this is the type of company you would like to have managing your wealth.

Looks like the MMM blog & forum is starting to get some serious love from Google in the search rankings, and the companies who may not offer the best products are worried.

These guys must not be familiar with the Streisand Effect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

It's unfortunate that companies, rather than come defend their products, and/or let whatever is said be said, resort to abusing the legal system.

If that's their position, fine.  They can try to force us to remove content, but they can't stop us from discussing it.

Let's hope this eventually becomes front page of Google for Everest Wealth Management, and those potential or current customers of Everest Wealth Management reading this can decide, as MMM said, if that's the type of company you want to be dealing with.

(All of the above is my own opinion, and does not necessarily representative of the opinion of the owner of this blog.)
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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2014, 10:21:46 AM »
psh legal threats are so yesterday. I want a wealth management company who will lead the industry, not some lame-o "fast follower"

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2014, 10:50:59 AM »
Gee golly, what a large bag of dicks! What's in the water at these companies?

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2014, 05:50:37 PM »
Like us -- or else! You have the right to free speech as long as you are speaking freely in a way that pleases us.

You can't improve public opinion by force. That's such a ludicrous strategy

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2014, 06:02:37 PM »
Gee golly, what a large bag of dicks! What's in the water at these companies?

(All of the above is my own opinion, and is not necessarily representative of the opinion of the owner of this blog.)

I'd say the bolded part is close to an undisputed fact.

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2014, 06:05:12 PM »

You can't improve public opinion by force. That's such a ludicrous strategy

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2014, 07:13:02 PM »
Everest Wealth Management can suck it.

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2014, 07:24:38 PM »
Political correctness may be reaching a tippin point. The more people realize it is ultimately taking money from their pockets the more people will truly be free to say what they want - retarded, uneducated, agenda-based or not.

People saying things like "the debate is over..." Help perpetuate the oppressive status quo. She. You personally deal with something like this site is now dealing with you you start to see things from a different perspective.

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2014, 06:09:32 AM »
It doesnt say much about Everest Wealth Management as arebelspy said if they need to seek legal action as opposed to taking a position. They are doing themselves more bad than good. As a group here we bring things up and discuss are thoughts. I see there case having no merrit.
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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2014, 07:12:55 AM »
If we keep writing Everest Wealth Management in this thread, will it bump the search result on Google?

We should try to make this thread the #2 hit for an "Everest Wealth Management" Google search (I doubt we will ever overtake the actual website, but we can sure try)

Negative publicity can be a real bitch

disclaimer: the intent to raise the publicity of this thread is my own idea, and completely independent of the blog and its owner

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2014, 07:20:40 AM »
I went to the Everest website.  Do they really claim to manage wealth?  The reason I ask is that their legal disclaimer says they just provide annuities.  I suppose someone selling you an annuity could technically be a form of wealth management.  I didn't see any mention of a guaranteed 7% continuing if they should go out of business.

Just wondering as I don't claim to know anything about anything.

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2014, 09:55:23 AM »
Let's posit for a moment that a company guaranteeds a 7% return.
Then someone comes along and claims they can't guarantee it.
That's a false statement because they already guaranteed it.  It's false, it's damaging, and if it's intentionally so (which it is after a warning), it would be libelous.

Now, if someone came along and said, "I don't see how they could possibly fulfill that guarantee." that wouldn't be a false statement unless they could see how it could be done and were lying about that.

If someone were to come along and say, "Gee, every company that I know of that's ever guaranteed super high returns has been a Ponzi scheme."  that wouldn't be a false statement either - unless, of course, that person did know of such a company that wasn't a Ponzi scheme.

If someone comes along and says "This company is a Ponzi scheme."  the burden of proof is on them, not the company.  The company has every right to take legal action to protect its reputation.

I don't know a darn thing about the company in question, but just because they protect their interests doesn't make them automatically evil.

If someone came along and claimed your teenage daughter was having sex with every 4 legged animal in 5 blocks of your home, you would be mad, too.   If the claim wasn't true, you would be mad at the person who claimed it.  (If it was true, I suspect you would be mad at your daughter. :) )

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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2014, 10:07:41 AM »
Let's posit for a moment that a company guaranteeds a 7% return.
Then someone comes along and claims they can't guarantee it.
That's a false statement because they already guaranteed it.  It's false, it's damaging, and if it's intentionally so (which it is after a warning), it would be libelous.

Now, if someone came along and said, "I don't see how they could possibly fulfill that guarantee." that wouldn't be a false statement unless they could see how it could be done and were lying about that.

There are two ways to defeat claims.  The first is to prove the accuser false (which generally is less costly) or take legal action.  Now, the response in order to prove the accuser false may still lead to some lost costumer, but the legal action might lose existing customers.  It shows a lot more good faith to say: "this is why and how we do it" then it does to say: "shut the f up or we'll shut you down".  The later tends to have a "we are hiding something" feel to customers.  Right or wrong.

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2014, 10:09:01 AM »
This seems like something for Popehat!

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2014, 10:10:32 AM »
So their legal argument will be "we can promise it, we just can't deliver it"? I'd like to watch the proceedings.

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2014, 10:16:06 AM »
Would it be unladylike of me to propose that Everest Wealth Management, their President and their legal team go suck donkey balls? 

Funny thing is, prior to this legal action, I would have gone to their website and objectively viewed their offerings.  But after seeing the gibberish from their President, I can only logically surmise that he is the King of asshats (surrounded by other ass hats if their fb page is any indicator.  And he wields his asshat stick with mighty authority. He obviously has a inferiority complex and is supremely bored if he gives two shits about what this forum is or is not discussing. Christ, you'd think he was a  teenage girl who needs to be told she's pretty all the time?

While it is only my opinion that their President is a tool and not the opinion of this blog, my opinion is more likely to be proven fact than their guaranteed 7% return claims. 


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Hey Philip, live by own words.  This kind of obsessive childish behavior doesn't become someone like yourself.  By the way, I see you like to volunteer at Make a Wish foundation. A good foundation to be sure, mind making my wish come true and go away, go sell your product to people who like unreliable claims of guaranteed returns???

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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2014, 08:04:31 PM »
Would it be unladylike of me to propose that Everest Wealth Management, their President and their legal team go suck donkey balls? 
If you want to get that at the top of Google's search results, then you're going to have to put the phrases
"Everest Wealth Management" "donkey balls"
next to each other.

Oops.

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2014, 08:34:53 PM »
Everest Wealth Management.....  because it is there.

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2014, 08:52:13 PM »
This kind of obsessive childish behavior doesn't become someone like yourself.

To be fair to the guys at Everest Wealth Management, I can understand why they might NOT be upset at accusations of being childish immediately after being told to suck donkey balls.

Does anyone else see the irony in a forum poster saying "live by your own words, don't be childish, suck donkey balls"?  So many levels of hypocrisy in one post!

Which isn't to exonerate clearly shady business practices, like promising unrealistic rates of return or threatening people who criticize their shady business with legal action for having a conversation on the internet in which they express honest personal opinions.

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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2014, 09:06:50 PM »
Would it be unladylike of me to propose that Everest Wealth Management, their President and their legal team go suck donkey balls? 
If you want to get that at the top of Google's search results, then you're going to have to put the phrases
"Everest Wealth Management" "donkey balls"
next to each other.

Oops.

Ahhhh - That makes sense.  You are wise!  ;)

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2014, 09:10:15 PM »
This kind of obsessive childish behavior doesn't become someone like yourself.

To be fair to the guys at Everest Wealth Management, I can understand why they might NOT be upset at accusations of being childish immediately after being told to suck donkey balls.

Does anyone else see the irony in a forum poster saying "live by your own words, don't be childish, suck donkey balls"?  So many levels of hypocrisy in one post!

Which isn't to exonerate clearly shady business practices, like promising unrealistic rates of return or threatening people who criticize their shady business with legal action for having a conversation on the internet in which they express honest personal opinions.

Sorry, I must have forgotten to hit the joke button...see it was a joke...it was supposed to be funny (albeit immature).  But it wasn't hypocrisy necessarily, I was telling him to live by his own words, not saying I want too.  I don't ever plan on spouting off vague quotable drivel like that.  I'd much rather die with my sense of humor intact :D

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2014, 09:19:04 PM »
Let's posit for a moment that a company guaranteeds a 7% return.
Then someone comes along and claims they can't guarantee it.
That's a false statement because they already guaranteed it.  It's false, it's damaging, and if it's intentionally so (which it is after a warning), it would be libelous.

Now, if someone came along and said, "I don't see how they could possibly fulfill that guarantee." that wouldn't be a false statement unless they could see how it could be done and were lying about that.

There are two ways to defeat claims.  The first is to prove the accuser false (which generally is less costly) or take legal action.  Now, the response in order to prove the accuser false may still lead to some lost costumer, but the legal action might lose existing customers.  It shows a lot more good faith to say: "this is why and how we do it" then it does to say: "shut the f up or we'll shut you down".  The later tends to have a "we are hiding something" feel to customers.  Right or wrong.

I agree, it seems threatening, and not at all a good strategy to deal with internet ramblings.


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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2014, 07:07:49 PM »
I find it extremely unlikely that Everest Wealth Management sucks donkey balls, in fact I can state with a high degree of confidence that it is impossible for Everest Wealth Management to suck donkey balls,  although I doubt this statement will help reduce the possibility of a search engine making the association. 

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2014, 08:46:20 PM »
This kind of obsessive childish behavior doesn't become someone like yourself.

To be fair to the guys at Everest Wealth Management, I can understand why they might NOT be upset at accusations of being childish immediately after being told to suck donkey balls.

Does anyone else see the irony in a forum poster saying "live by your own words, don't be childish, suck donkey balls"?  So many levels of hypocrisy in one post!

Which isn't to exonerate clearly shady business practices, like promising unrealistic rates of return or threatening people who criticize their shady business with legal action for having a conversation on the internet in which they express honest personal opinions.

Sorry, I must have forgotten to hit the joke button...see it was a joke...it was supposed to be funny (albeit immature).  But it wasn't hypocrisy necessarily, I was telling him to live by his own words, not saying I want too.  I don't ever plan on spouting off vague quotable drivel like that.  I'd much rather die with my sense of humor intact :D

I thought it was hilarious.  Until you had to explain it.  That killed it for me.  ;-)

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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2014, 01:56:43 AM »
Self-employed-swami, I have no idea what absquatulating is but it sounds like either a clusterfuck of fun or something extraordinarily painful, or both.

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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2014, 04:25:16 AM »
Self-employed-swami, I have no idea what absquatulating is but it sounds like either a clusterfuck of fun or something extraordinarily painful, or both.

It just means 'to leave', in the most letters possible!

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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2014, 07:24:52 AM »
I mentioned this on another thread.

I think we should support Everest Wealth Management.  If everyone on MMM googled something that relates to Everest Wealth Management, then clicks on their link they will be hit with adclick costs, we will be educated, and they would blow their marketing budget and maybe their legal budget on educating MMM users vs. the sheep that they want.

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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2014, 08:02:25 AM »
I mentioned this on another thread.

I think we should support Everest Wealth Management.  If everyone on MMM googled something that relates to Everest Wealth Management, then clicks on their link they will be hit with adclick costs, we will be educated, and they would blow their marketing budget and maybe their legal budget on educating MMM users vs. the sheep that they want.

I think you are seriously underestimating how big a budget firms like this have allocated for advertising and legal expenses...

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2014, 08:03:44 AM »
I just searched for a certain wealth management provider and "donkey balls" and got nothing :(

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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2014, 09:15:29 PM »
curious and playing devil's advocate here.  Has anyone here actually heard this so called ad where they said they supposedly guaranteed anything?  Didn't see anything like that on their site.  Maybe thats what the issue is.  Maybe whoever started this on LTR heard it wrong?

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« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2014, 09:49:08 PM »
curious and playing devil's advocate here.  Has anyone here actually heard this so called ad where they said they supposedly guaranteed anything?  Didn't see anything like that on their site.  Maybe thats what the issue is.  Maybe whoever started this on LTR heard it wrong?

No, I'm guessing they took it down after being ridiculed on the Internet

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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2014, 09:56:47 PM »
maybe, just seems like if they advertised something like an outrageous claim you would see complaints on BBB or FINRA.  none.  I just know in my business people hear what they want to hear.  If it looks like a duck...   lol, I just don't believe much that I read online without verifying it myself.  Just seems odd and that would make a lot of sense too as to why they want it gone

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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2014, 09:59:01 PM »
curious and playing devil's advocate here.  Has anyone here actually heard this so called ad where they said they supposedly guaranteed anything?  Didn't see anything like that on their site.  Maybe thats what the issue is.  Maybe whoever started this on LTR heard it wrong?

No, I'm guessing they took it down after being ridiculed on the Internet

It's still there on youtube. Scroll down to the bottom of this thread and you'll see the screen capture and the link.
http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=118571

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« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2014, 10:03:07 PM »
hmmm, says for income and the disclaimer seems to show it just fine.  Yup just as I expected the original LTR poster heard what he wanted.  All this fuss because one guy didn't know a thing about annuities

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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2014, 10:20:20 PM »
hmmm, says for income and the disclaimer seems to show it just fine.  Yup just as I expected the original LTR poster heard what he wanted.  All this fuss because one guy didn't know a thing about annuities

Eh, saying "some plans offer GUARANTEED GROWTH up to 7%*" "*does not represent current rates or any specific product" is pretty bullshit in my book.

I also read the portion of the complaint that MMM removed.  Basically, LTR said Everest can't guarantee 7%.  Well, they don't claim to, so what's the problem?  It also says they convey the impression of giving 7%.  That's for the jury to decide I guess but you probably know where I stand. 
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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2014, 10:24:06 PM »
If they actually wanted to stick by the 7% claim, then they wouldn't have harassed LTR off the internet or sent legal threats to MMM.

If they just wanted their side of the story (that they have disclaimers, or whatever), they could politely share on said websites, come on and genuinely interact, while identifying themselves and defending themselves.

Instead they choose to abuse the legal system.  Someone with nothing to hide doesn't do that.

Also, as an aside, your first 3 posts ever on a forum and you decide to randomly defend a company that acts like complete dickheads?  $10 says you work for them.  How much does being a shill pay nowadays?

(Curious how you know what the original LTR poster said - I doubt you read it.)  And the LTR guy knew plenty about annuities.  Why would you think he didn't?  Or is attacking him part of your job as well?

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« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2014, 10:27:10 PM »
sure i get what you are saying, but an ad is one thing.  But if they actually mislead clients then there would be complaints filed somewhere you would think.  BBB, FINRA, State Securities board, insurance board.  I mean Ford gives a lease for $225 but when you go it's not like they don't tell you you have to put money down, it's for the base model, etc.  But didn't this all result from one guy saying he heard a claim, that in fact wasn't the actual claim, and everyone jumped and posted that they are frauds basically?  I can see where they are coming from.  I wonder if they asked any of the boards to just remove their name first?  Mod want to chime in?

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2014, 10:29:43 PM »
actually i've been registered for a long time.  I just never really posted.  I tend to just read, but this company is local that's why it caught my eye.  I've actually heard their ads but annuities aren't really my thing at my age

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2014, 10:31:17 PM »
ohh i didn't know it was the LTR guy that said it, really?  I thought it was just someone in his forum.  Interesting

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2014, 10:31:52 PM »
sure i get what you are saying, but an ad is one thing.  But if they actually mislead clients then there would be complaints filed somewhere you would think.  BBB, FINRA, State Securities board, insurance board.  I mean Ford gives a lease for $225 but when you go it's not like they don't tell you you have to put money down, it's for the base model, etc.  But didn't this all result from one guy saying he heard a claim, that in fact wasn't the actual claim, and everyone jumped and posted that they are frauds basically?  I can see where they are coming from.  I wonder if they asked any of the boards to just remove their name first?  Mod want to chime in?

Yes, they asked MMM to remove the name.  AFAIK he hasn't actually been sued.  Just threatened. 

I agree that such disclaimers are common.  But if I say "Ford is selling empty promises because they can't lease a car for $255 without money down," they aren't going to sue MMM.  Right?

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ohh i didn't know it was the LTR guy that said it, really?  I thought it was just someone in his forum.  Interesting

Yes apparently the offending bit on this site was merely a QUOTE from another guy, not presented as fact.  Which (not legal advice) I predict MMM's lawyer will find without merit.  Of course, just because something is without merit doesn't mean you don't try to avoid unnecessary conflict.
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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2014, 10:32:47 PM »
Also, as an aside, your first 3 posts ever on a forum and you decide to randomly defend a company that acts like complete dickheads?  $10 says you work for them.  How much does being a shill pay nowadays?



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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2014, 10:34:07 PM »
actually i've been registered for a long time.  I just never really posted.  I tend to just read, but this company is local that's why it caught my eye.  I've actually heard their ads but annuities aren't really my thing at my age

Really?  You're going to deny it?

Shall I post evidence, [name removed], or are you going to continue to be ridiculous?
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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2014, 10:39:00 PM »
Shit, I hope you don't know who I am, but you probably at least know where I work.  I'm the good looking one.

To be honest, using those sort of mod powers makes me uncomfortable, and IIRC this is only the second time I've done so (the first was to check if a troll was signing up for multiple accounts). 

In an instance like this though, I'm willing to dig a little.
I am a former teacher who accumulated a bunch of real estate, retired at 29, spent some time traveling the world full time and am now settled with three kids.
If you want to know more about me, this Business Insider profile tells the story pretty well.
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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2014, 10:53:43 PM »
Bahahaha, here's a good laugh.

His LinkedIn profile lists him as "Branch Manager, Investment Advisor, Director of Operations and Marketing."

(Emphasis added.)

Where did you learn the marketing strategy of going to a site you've harassed with legal threads and posting anonymously trying to defend the company?
I am a former teacher who accumulated a bunch of real estate, retired at 29, spent some time traveling the world full time and am now settled with three kids.
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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2014, 11:02:49 PM »
hmmm, says for income and the disclaimer seems to show it just fine.  Yup just as I expected the original LTR poster heard what he wanted.  All this fuss because one guy didn't know a thing about annuities

Well, now that we appear to have an Everest employee here, maybe you can enlighten us.  Have you issued one of these fabled 7% income plans? 

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2014, 11:10:17 PM »
Who's paying me my $10?

Slow down there rebel, if you're getting paid then I'm getting paid.

I know it was technically in the thread about the OTHER random company sending legal threats to the blog, but it wasn't three days ago I predicted the following...

But my expectation, based on their previous posting here and similar goings-on in the Everest Wealth Management thread, is that we'll instead see anonymous vitriolic rantings posted from a newly created account with less than five posts.  These litigious companies aren't usually interested in actually engaging the online community, they just want to whitewash negative reviews.

I'm guess Mr. Anthony didn't bother to read that thread, and so wasn't scared off of his quasi-anonymous whitewashing attempt the way the KISS Trust guys seem to have been.  Being called out for bad behavior while you're gearing up for some bad behavior is probably embarassing.  Just a guess.

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2014, 11:12:03 PM »
actually i've been registered for a long time.  I just never really posted.  I tend to just read, but this company is local that's why it caught my eye.  I've actually heard their ads but annuities aren't really my thing at my age

Really?  You're going to deny it?

Shall I post evidence, Mr. Anthony, or are you going to continue to be ridiculous?

Technically, he never said he didn't work for the company. And he may be a legitimate "Mustachian"; he did state the company's local, so we know his commute can't be too bad. Maybe he bikes?

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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2014, 11:18:48 PM »
Who's paying me my $10?

Slow down there rebel, if you're getting paid then I'm getting paid.

Good call on that one.  Oh well, no paychecks for calling the obvious, I guess.

And he may be a legitimate "Mustachian"; he did state the company's local, so we know his commute can't be too bad. Maybe he bikes?

lol.  Nice.

When he says:
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I've actually heard their ads but annuities aren't really my thing at my age

But his #1 LinkedIn recommended skill is "Fixed Annuities" ...

Well shoot, someone better tell his clients that annuities "aren't really his thing"...

Unfortunately it looks like I scared him off from posting, though he's still reading this.

Mr. A, we'd love it if you would post why your company is harassing sites like LTR and MMM, and perhaps a defense of that 7% claim.  Open and honest discourse is by far the most effective way to shut up critics.  Not lawsuits, not posting anonymously claiming you don't work for them, etc.

I'll admit we have been quite silly and immature in large parts of this thread, above, because of the ridiculous nature of your companies legal threats, but we're more than willing to engage you in a frank discussion of your company's offerings.
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Re: Everest Wealth Management Threatens MMM Blog with Legal Action
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2014, 11:29:38 PM »
It's funny, there are some forums where marketing people are very active in their target market.  It actually works in their favor because it shows that they are responsive to their customer's needs.  As long as they aren't spamming their products, and are genuinely answering questions, they end up ruling their online identity.

edit: and when I say active,  I also mean open and upfront with their identity.