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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #800 on: December 02, 2015, 12:06:50 PM »

His mom made the sweaters for him is what I was told

I googled that for you: http://www.fredrogers.org/frc/news/mister-rogers-shares-how-his-mother-showed-love

But thanks for the googling tip. Lovely little story.

That was wonderful. Thanks for sharing! :)
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« Reply #801 on: December 02, 2015, 12:56:39 PM »
Not a particularly extravagant FU Story, but more of a quiet (yet immensely satisfying) one. Sorry for the length!


You may not think that's extravagant, but I certainly do! Very cool the way you handled it.
I agree, bravo!

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« Reply #802 on: December 02, 2015, 04:17:55 PM »
How did you turn in resignation letters and get severance?  Basically hush money to sign a "I won't sue" document, not really severance?  I was anticipating the story ending with you saying no to the extra 4 months, and just taking the severance, and them being shocked/having to scramble. But the resignation letters threw me.

You're correct that the severance was basically "Hush money." If I had stayed the extra four months I would have gotten a bonus that was the equivalent of two paychecks. It took them over a week to draft the severance documents, and at that point I only had job interviews scheduled. Once I got the legal drafts and the job offer, I was out!

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« Reply #803 on: December 02, 2015, 04:20:51 PM »
Not a particularly extravagant FU Story, but more of a quiet (yet immensely satisfying) one. Sorry for the length!


You may not think that's extravagant, but I certainly do! Very cool the way you handled it.
I agree, bravo!

Thanks. :) Believe me it took a lot of restraint to not do something crazily epic. Leaving them high and dry was very, very satisfying.

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« Reply #804 on: December 02, 2015, 04:23:41 PM »
Nice. Well done lining up the new job, so you could immediately take the severance, resign, and peace out. :D
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« Reply #805 on: December 02, 2015, 08:11:11 PM »
I am pretty sure I am working up to my own story in the near future. Posting to follow.

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« Reply #806 on: December 03, 2015, 04:06:32 PM »
Posting to follow because these stories are great entertainment, but I also thought this piece from HBS was interesting in light of what we're talking about:

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2015/11/those-toxic-co-workers/
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« Reply #807 on: December 04, 2015, 03:57:17 PM »
Here's a great story about an IT worker who was let go without even an exit interview:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/04/sysadmins_100000_revenge_after_sudden_sacking/

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« Reply #808 on: December 04, 2015, 04:12:31 PM »
Here's a great story about an IT worker who was let go without even an exit interview:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/04/sysadmins_100000_revenge_after_sudden_sacking/

Not exactly a FU story but pretty funny all the same.  "Penny wise and pound foolish"

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« Reply #809 on: December 04, 2015, 04:21:30 PM »
Here's a great story about an IT worker who was let go without even an exit interview:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/04/sysadmins_100000_revenge_after_sudden_sacking/

Not exactly a FU story but pretty funny all the same.  "Penny wise and pound foolish"

Good story, but the title is misleading as the system in did NOT take revenge on the company in response to getting sacked, rather the company screwed themselves over (which the system in did not not feel bad about) - corporate karma!

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« Reply #810 on: December 05, 2015, 08:04:36 AM »
Yep, the title was inflammatory.   I thought it was a great story though.

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« Reply #811 on: December 05, 2015, 10:27:20 AM »
Yep, the title was inflammatory.   I thought it was a great story though.

It is a great story - it illustrates several consequences of the short-term thinking, lack of respect for employees, and disengagement of management that is too prevalent in many organizations

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« Reply #812 on: December 06, 2015, 06:51:02 PM »
Yep, the title was inflammatory.   I thought it was a great story though.

Typical of TheRegister. I absolutely hate their yellowish journalism.
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« Reply #813 on: December 11, 2015, 12:47:10 PM »
On the one hand, I commend people for leaving a toxic work environment, especially when they have the easy financial means to do it. On the other, some of these stories leave me thinking good people are letting the occasional asshole get the better of them, and that by leaving they're just letting the asshole disrupt the good person's life and continue to merrily abuse everyone else who remains. I wish some of these stories would end along the lines of, "So I told the CEO, either the asshole leaves or I do. They fired the asshole."

Like using a stupid college rivalry as grounds to file an actual, written reprimand against an employee?? Man, I'd tell that person (in a strictly professional way) they better go f*ck themselves first, because if they write me up for something like that they will definitely get f*cked way worse.
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« Reply #814 on: December 11, 2015, 01:47:29 PM »
I've found that as I've approached and surpassed having "FU Money", I've felt less and less inclined to ever have to use it.

Someone is being a dick at work?  So what...  So I disengage and surf the web for a while.  What's the worst that happens, they let me go in the next layoff round? LOL.


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« Reply #815 on: December 11, 2015, 02:01:22 PM »
I've found that as I've approached and surpassed having "FU Money", I've felt less and less inclined to ever have to use it.

Someone is being a dick at work?  So what...  So I disengage and surf the web for a while.  What's the worst that happens, they let me go in the next layoff round? LOL.

Heh reminds me of when I had planned a vacation before I had the time off approved.  One of my coworkers was like 'but what if they say no?'  I told her I already bought my flight, so I'm going anyway, and absolute worst case I'll just go find another job when I get back.  She was pretty shocked, haha.

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« Reply #816 on: December 11, 2015, 03:51:10 PM »
On the one hand, I commend people for leaving a toxic work environment, especially when they have the easy financial means to do it. On the other, some of these stories leave me thinking good people are letting the occasional asshole get the better of them, and that by leaving they're just letting the asshole disrupt the good person's life and continue to merrily abuse everyone else who remains. I wish some of these stories would end along the lines of, "So I told the CEO, either the asshole leaves or I do. They fired the asshole."

Like using a stupid college rivalry as grounds to file an actual, written reprimand against an employee?? Man, I'd tell that person (in a strictly professional way) they better go f*ck themselves first, because if they write me up for something like that they will definitely get f*cked way worse.
I just read an article that discussed how expensive a toxic employee is - does WAY more damage and cost than hiring 5 good employees!

That doesn't prevent companies from hiring toxic employees and keeping them around.   I've experienced this first hand.

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« Reply #817 on: December 11, 2015, 03:52:27 PM »
I've found that as I've approached and surpassed having "FU Money", I've felt less and less inclined to ever have to use it.

Someone is being a dick at work?  So what...  So I disengage and surf the web for a while.  What's the worst that happens, they let me go in the next layoff round? LOL.

Heh reminds me of when I had planned a vacation before I had the time off approved.  One of my coworkers was like 'but what if they say no?'  I told her I already bought my flight, so I'm going anyway, and absolute worst case I'll just go find another job when I get back.  She was pretty shocked, haha.
There were actually people, in a specific group at my last company, that would cancel vacation plans because of last minute company needs. I couldn't believe it.

I would never never do that.

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« Reply #818 on: December 11, 2015, 03:55:49 PM »
On the one hand, I commend people for leaving a toxic work environment, especially when they have the easy financial means to do it. On the other, some of these stories leave me thinking good people are letting the occasional asshole get the better of them, and that by leaving they're just letting the asshole disrupt the good person's life and continue to merrily abuse everyone else who remains. I wish some of these stories would end along the lines of, "So I told the CEO, either the asshole leaves or I do. They fired the asshole."

Like using a stupid college rivalry as grounds to file an actual, written reprimand against an employee?? Man, I'd tell that person (in a strictly professional way) they better go f*ck themselves first, because if they write me up for something like that they will definitely get f*cked way worse.

One bonus for working in construction:  I can tell people to go fuck themselves in a non-professional manner.  No need to parse words, sometimes vulgarity is a necessity.

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« Reply #819 on: December 11, 2015, 10:31:23 PM »
There were actually people, in a specific group at my last company, that would cancel vacation plans because of last minute company needs. I couldn't believe it.

I would never never do that.

I keep toying with the idea of throwing my resume at a company that not only would the company ask, they've literally called employees while on vacation and told them they need to get back.

The job security and money are great, but damn is that a kick in the junk. Pre-MMM and kids, I would've jumped at the opportunity, but now I'm not so sure if it's for me anymore.

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« Reply #820 on: December 14, 2015, 08:52:56 AM »
There were actually people, in a specific group at my last company, that would cancel vacation plans because of last minute company needs. I couldn't believe it.

I would never never do that.

I keep toying with the idea of throwing my resume at a company that not only would the company ask, they've literally called employees while on vacation and told them they need to get back.

The job security and money are great, but damn is that a kick in the junk. Pre-MMM and kids, I would've jumped at the opportunity, but now I'm not so sure if it's for me anymore.

FU Money: letting reforming work-a-holics make better lifestyle choices.
If the money really is great, and you've got no problem executing the 'FU' part, you might give it a go.  You might be the guy that gets the culture changed by not answering the phone when you're on vacation and / or simply saying no.
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« Reply #821 on: December 14, 2015, 11:51:47 AM »
There were actually people, in a specific group at my last company, that would cancel vacation plans because of last minute company needs. I couldn't believe it.

I would never never do that.

I keep toying with the idea of throwing my resume at a company that not only would the company ask, they've literally called employees while on vacation and told them they need to get back.

The job security and money are great, but damn is that a kick in the junk. Pre-MMM and kids, I would've jumped at the opportunity, but now I'm not so sure if it's for me anymore.

FU Money: letting reforming work-a-holics make better lifestyle choices.
If the money really is great, and you've got no problem executing the 'FU' part, you might give it a go.  You might be the guy that gets the culture changed by not answering the phone when you're on vacation and / or simply saying no.

Yes, this.  I like to think that I did a bit of that at that company too.

For one, thing, that one group were pretty hard line on PTO.  I mean, if I worked 80 hours in 2 weeks (usually it was 90), I never took vacation time, right?  I mean, really.

But I had friends in the other group that would take 4 hours of vacation if they left work early on Friday. I said "you are exempt, and you've worked 90 hours already this pay period". 

"Well, when I asked my boss, he said..."

Newsflash people: don't ask.  The online computer timecard system DOES NOT CARE when the hours are.  In fact, it only flags the system if you are under 80 for the pay period (and back then, you still got paid the full amount.  I know because I had one pay period at 79.5 hours).

Eventually (took a few years), I convinced the engineers to stop asking and just take advantage of being exempt.  Especially since the pay was shitty (a good $20k under market), and the bosses were all PhD's making $120k+ (10 years ago), and all of whom had made at least a million on the buyout.

It is simply NOT RIGHT for the company to expect you to give them everything, do what it takes, work 100 hours in 2 weeks on a deadline, but expect you to take 3 hours of PTO if you leave early to take your kid to the dentist.  WTF??

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« Reply #822 on: December 14, 2015, 01:02:45 PM »
Newsflash people: don't ask.  The online computer timecard system DOES NOT CARE when the hours are.  In fact, it only flags the system if you are under 80 for the pay period (and back then, you still got paid the full amount.  I know because I had one pay period at 79.5 hours).

Depends on how the system is programmed.  At my last job, ours would redflag your card if:

1)  You had less than 5 hours billed on a given workday or
2)  You had less than 70-80 hours billed for the two week period (depending on whether you were on a 35- or 40-hour week.

The red flags would show up for violation #1 EVEN IF YOU HAD WORKED 20+ HOURS OVER THE WEEKEND FOR A PROGRAM EVENT!

Thus, comp time basically only existed in maximum 3 hour increments.  There was no official comp time policy and trying to get a manager to agree to let you take a day off during the work week, even after working 2 weeks straight including international travel time, was nearly impossible, because they would have to justify it to HR and it would then "set a precedent" that other staff would ask to follow. 

Yes, it pissed me off.  And was one of the reasons I decided to leave. 
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« Reply #823 on: December 14, 2015, 04:13:45 PM »
Why are people answering work calls when they are on vacation?  Crazy.

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« Reply #824 on: December 14, 2015, 04:47:12 PM »
Why are people answering work calls when they are on vacation?  Crazy.

Agreed.  I avoid this by going someplace where "I do not have cell phone coverage".  Sorry but I will not be able to take your call while i am gone.  If your call is urgent, please contact my manager at xxx-xxx-xxxx.

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« Reply #825 on: December 14, 2015, 04:48:58 PM »
:-)   I used to do that.   "Just check your e-mail everyday"    "Sorry, no internet or electricity off the west coast of BC"  "What?"

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« Reply #826 on: December 14, 2015, 05:57:36 PM »
:-)   I used to do that.   "Just check your e-mail everyday"    "Sorry, no internet or electricity off the west coast of BC"  "What?"

Verbatim, from my last job:
Me: 'I'll be at the family lake. No cell reception or internet. Back in 2 weeks.'
Boss: 'But... but... what do we do if there's an emergency???!!?'
Me: 'Well, *assistant who was going to take over my job while I was on maternity leave a few months later* is well-trained and knows everything that's going on. So: she can figure it out, or if it's a big enough emergency, she can drive 3 hours out to tell me about it in person, she has the address.'

Oh, man, the look on her face.

I still think that's an excellent way to calibrate 'emergency'. If it's worth 6 hours of driving for me to fix it, FINE, you may disturb my vacation for a half-hour while I work miracles on your issue. Until then, you're paid to handle this problem, so fix it, I don't care how.

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« Reply #827 on: December 14, 2015, 06:32:37 PM »
Kitsune, I completely agree. I'm lucky enough to have a job that is OVER the minute I walk out the door each day, but I'm constantly shaking my head at friends who allow themselves to be sucked into this crap over and over. If the company is set up so that someone is that indispensable, they are doing something seriously wrong. What if that person drops dead? And really, I doubt anyone is that indispensable. It's just that no one else wants to deal with it while they're away. But a vacation should be a VACATION. Not "do whatever you want until we need/want you, then drop everything."

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« Reply #828 on: December 14, 2015, 06:35:59 PM »
And because "emergency" doesn't mean "it would be faster if Kitsune did it". I'm not there, someone else can figure it out. This is not brain surgery, I am not the only one who can do this stuff. Do it quickly, maybe, but it CAN be done by someone else, so figure it out.

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« Reply #829 on: December 14, 2015, 07:59:54 PM »
On the one hand, I commend people for leaving a toxic work environment, especially when they have the easy financial means to do it. On the other, some of these stories leave me thinking good people are letting the occasional asshole get the better of them, and that by leaving they're just letting the asshole disrupt the good person's life and continue to merrily abuse everyone else who remains. I wish some of these stories would end along the lines of, "So I told the CEO, either the asshole leaves or I do. They fired the asshole."

Like using a stupid college rivalry as grounds to file an actual, written reprimand against an employee?? Man, I'd tell that person (in a strictly professional way) they better go f*ck themselves first, because if they write me up for something like that they will definitely get f*cked way worse.

One bonus for working in construction:  I can tell people to go fuck themselves in a non-professional manner.  No need to parse words, sometimes vulgarity is a necessity.

Yes, this is the one part of construction work that I miss.  Anytime that some boss threatened to fire me, my response was always, "Don't threaten me with a good time."

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« Reply #830 on: December 14, 2015, 10:51:58 PM »
I've found that as I've approached and surpassed having "FU Money", I've felt less and less inclined to ever have to use it.

Someone is being a dick at work?  So what...  So I disengage and surf the web for a while.  What's the worst that happens, they let me go in the next layoff round? LOL.

As much as many people around here say they want to be laid off, I suspect it's not such a lighthearted experience. Sure, you get extra money, but I imagine it'd be an ego blow for those of us who don't have the most iron-clad of egos / a total absence of ego.

I was playing poker with some shit-talking expats the other day. They asked what I did for work, as people do. I explained that DH and I had quit our jobs and were living off of savings ( I find that's the most succinct way to put it and have people understand FIRE without explaining FIRE).  A few hands into the game, Craig looked at me sideways. He asked, "were you laid off?"

His question was LOADED with judgement. I could tell that if I had been laid off, he'd think less of me. Not that it mattered in the grand scheme - but the judgement was palpable. I answered honestly, no I hadn't been laid off, it had been my choice. But wow. It hit me that there's more to being laid off than receiving a fat check.  Loads of judgement would come from others, and, perhaps, from self.  Yes, I'm sure I could withstand it and yes, being financially compensated would help. But, it wouldn't be a walk in the park.  It's not something I'd wish for.

.... well of course there's probably a dollar value where I *would* wish for it.  Maybe a couple million, after taxes?  I think I could deal with an ego blow for a couple mil.
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« Reply #831 on: December 14, 2015, 11:17:38 PM »
I've found that as I've approached and surpassed having "FU Money", I've felt less and less inclined to ever have to use it.

Someone is being a dick at work?  So what...  So I disengage and surf the web for a while.  What's the worst that happens, they let me go in the next layoff round? LOL.

As much as many people around here say they want to be laid off, I suspect it's not such a lighthearted experience. Sure, you get extra money, but I imagine it'd be an ego blow for those of us who don't have the most iron-clad of egos / a total absence of ego.


Getting laid off is just part of the deal with construction, though.  It's counterproductive to threaten most veteran construction workers with a lay-off, because most of them expect it eventually anyway.

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« Reply #832 on: December 14, 2015, 11:25:24 PM »
I've found that as I've approached and surpassed having "FU Money", I've felt less and less inclined to ever have to use it.

Someone is being a dick at work?  So what...  So I disengage and surf the web for a while.  What's the worst that happens, they let me go in the next layoff round? LOL.

As much as many people around here say they want to be laid off, I suspect it's not such a lighthearted experience. Sure, you get extra money, but I imagine it'd be an ego blow for those of us who don't have the most iron-clad of egos / a total absence of ego.


Getting laid off is just part of the deal with construction, though.  It's counterproductive to threaten most veteran construction workers with a lay-off, because most of them expect it eventually anyway.

Ah, yes. If it's from an industry where it's business as usual, I can see that.  Where I came from, being laid off came with stigma.  My poker buddies were in similar industries as I was in.
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« Reply #833 on: December 15, 2015, 07:50:23 AM »
:-)   I used to do that.   "Just check your e-mail everyday"    "Sorry, no internet or electricity off the west coast of BC"  "What?"

Verbatim, from my last job:
Me: 'I'll be at the family lake. No cell reception or internet. Back in 2 weeks.'
Boss: 'But... but... what do we do if there's an emergency???!!?'
Me: 'Well, *assistant who was going to take over my job while I was on maternity leave a few months later* is well-trained and knows everything that's going on. So: she can figure it out, or if it's a big enough emergency, she can drive 3 hours out to tell me about it in person, she has the address.'

Oh, man, the look on her face.

I still think that's an excellent way to calibrate 'emergency'. If it's worth 6 hours of driving for me to fix it, FINE, you may disturb my vacation for a half-hour while I work miracles on your issue. Until then, you're paid to handle this problem, so fix it, I don't care how.

IIRC the guy from "The Last Lecture" when he went on his honeymoon told his boss that he would only take calls from his mother in law and gave his boss her number.  And that if something was that on fire his boss could call his mother in law and explain the problem and then she could call him.

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« Reply #834 on: December 15, 2015, 02:25:21 PM »
IIRC the guy from "The Last Lecture" when he went on his honeymoon told his boss that he would only take calls from his mother in law and gave his boss her number.  And that if something was that on fire his boss could call his mother in law and explain the problem and then she could call him.

Also highly recommend "The Last Lecture" if you have not read it.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #835 on: December 15, 2015, 02:51:59 PM »
IIRC the guy from "The Last Lecture" when he went on his honeymoon told his boss that he would only take calls from his mother in law and gave his boss her number.  And that if something was that on fire his boss could call his mother in law and explain the problem and then she could call him.

Also highly recommend "The Last Lecture" if you have not read it.

I actually attended a Randy Pausch lecture many years before his "Last Lecture".  I almost skipped it, because the subject -- human-computer-interaction -- wasn't something I was particularly interested in at the time.  (I've since become much more interested.)  Anyway, the lecture was funny, inspiring, and fascinating.  I've used the lessons learned from that brief introduction to the topic in discussions with other UI developers.

The actual lecture the book is based on is available on youtube and I think much better presented than it is in the book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo

I was lucky enough to go to that lecture in person when it was given in 2007. Randy Pausch was a spectacular speaker and teacher. If you're ever in Pittsburgh near the end of a semester, see if you can get into the "Building Virtual Worlds" final presentation. That is the class that Pausch founded at CMU and even to this day, the spirit and excitement he fostered there can still be felt.
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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #836 on: December 15, 2015, 10:12:55 PM »
Anytime that some boss threatened to fire me, my response was always, "Don't threaten me with a good time."

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #837 on: December 16, 2015, 06:38:12 AM »
Newsflash people: don't ask.  The online computer timecard system DOES NOT CARE when the hours are.  In fact, it only flags the system if you are under 80 for the pay period (and back then, you still got paid the full amount.  I know because I had one pay period at 79.5 hours).
The red flags would show up for violation #1 EVEN IF YOU HAD WORKED 20+ HOURS OVER THE WEEKEND FOR A PROGRAM EVENT!

Please note, a decent boss will let you put those weekend hours into the week days to make the time system happy.  Ditto for those times you can't use up the vacation days and you are in "use it or lose it" - you can put in that you took the days, and then in the subsequent month take the vacation and in the time system put in the hours you worked before the roll over.  Granted, you need to have a decent relationship with your boss, but this has rarely been a problem for me.
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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #838 on: December 16, 2015, 09:41:39 AM »
You know you can lie on your timecard....? The person using it in payroll probably has no one idea who you even are. There are other tricks too. We had a timeclock at one job, despite it allegedly being salary. If I wanted to leave early I would just "forget" to clock out, and tell the timekeeper the time I "left" the next day.

Of course, this only works if you are a quality employee who your boss likes having around and you treat your co-workers well so they don't raise a big stink and will defend you if necessary.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #839 on: December 16, 2015, 10:38:30 AM »
You know you can lie on your timecard....? The person using it in payroll probably has no one idea who you even are. There are other tricks too. We had a timeclock at one job, despite it allegedly being salary. If I wanted to leave early I would just "forget" to clock out, and tell the timekeeper the time I "left" the next day.

Of course, this only works if you are a quality employee who your boss likes having around and you treat your co-workers well so they don't raise a big stink and will defend you if necessary.

It's a good way to get fired and potentially blacklisted.  I agree you can usually get away with it if your boss consents, but larger companies always have someone higher up who will nuke the department of they find out

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #840 on: December 16, 2015, 11:27:31 AM »
As much as many people around here say they want to be laid off, I suspect it's not such a lighthearted experience. Sure, you get extra money, but I imagine it'd be an ego blow for those of us who don't have the most iron-clad of egos / a total absence of ego.

I was playing poker with some shit-talking expats the other day. They asked what I did for work, as people do. I explained that DH and I had quit our jobs and were living off of savings ( I find that's the most succinct way to put it and have people understand FIRE without explaining FIRE).  A few hands into the game, Craig looked at me sideways. He asked, "were you laid off?"

His question was LOADED with judgement. I could tell that if I had been laid off, he'd think less of me. Not that it mattered in the grand scheme - but the judgement was palpable. I answered honestly, no I hadn't been laid off, it had been my choice. But wow. It hit me that there's more to being laid off than receiving a fat check.  Loads of judgement would come from others, and, perhaps, from self.  Yes, I'm sure I could withstand it and yes, being financially compensated would help. But, it wouldn't be a walk in the park.  It's not something I'd wish for.

.... well of course there's probably a dollar value where I *would* wish for it.  Maybe a couple million, after taxes?  I think I could deal with an ego blow for a couple mil.
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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #841 on: December 16, 2015, 11:33:28 AM »
If the money really is great, and you've got no problem executing the 'FU' part, you might give it a go.  You might be the guy that gets the culture changed by not answering the phone when you're on vacation and / or simply saying no.

Well, I already make great money, so it wouldn't be that much of an upgrade. Not answering the phone gets you disciplined and eventually fired.

It is simply NOT RIGHT for the company to expect you to give them everything, do what it takes, work 100 hours in 2 weeks on a deadline, but expect you to take 3 hours of PTO if you leave early to take your kid to the dentist.  WTF??

That's the thing. At this company, with call outs, 50 hours might be 3 days some weeks. I told one of their guys that we were working overtime, 50hrs, and his reply literally was: "50hrs/week? I remember when I had a part time job like that."

Other work groups literally have forced overtime. 6-12s, 7-12s, for months. Want to take a vacation day on a Sunday? Have to burn 3 and take the weekend off.

Like I said, the workaholic in me wants to go for it, but having to hire a nanny would really cut into any extra money I'd make and my son would probably forget who I am.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #842 on: December 16, 2015, 12:17:44 PM »
^I have no idea why you would even consider working somewhere like that. Why do you even toy with the idea of working there? It is more interesting or prestigious our something?

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #843 on: December 16, 2015, 01:00:34 PM »
I had a job that was kind of like that.  On call 24/7, up almost every night dealing with stuff, then in at 8am.  I thought that's what I had to do.  Then we hired a new admin and when he got called at night, depending on how long he was up he would come in late or not at all the next day.  If they asked why he was late he would say 'I was up last night at 3am working'.  Sometimes you just have the attitude of 'I already put in my hours last night/this week.  Say something, I dare you'.  Working long days and weeks occasionally happens when there's a special deadline or issue going on, but if it's a constant thing then that's a staffing issue, which is management's problem, not mine, imo.  I get paid for 40 hours/week (or however many your agreement is).  If that's not enough for the work to get done on a consistent basis, then hire more people.  These are exactly the things FU money is made for.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #844 on: December 16, 2015, 01:45:01 PM »
Not really a FU money story (as I didn't have FU money at the time), but I did have another job lined up, so this is close.  I finished my Master's degree and moved to the DC burbs to work with an "8(a) subcontractor".  I quickly found out working for 8(a) companies is a bad idea (unless you're not very talented).  The woman running the company (15 employees) was a royal pain and while charging over $100/hr. for our work was paying us about $20/hr.(benefits may have bumped it to $25/hr.).  And then she would try to find ways to save an extra dollar here or there and didn't worry how much it aggravated us (while she was always in late or leaving early to deal with her child and live-in nanny).  My favorites were when she tried to not pay for coffee at our rented offices (to save maybe $20/mo.) and when she didn't want to pay for parking under our building but pay for a nearby lot to save $8/mo.  But only for the guys there ("Its too dangerous for the women to walk over there").  She did lots of other things, but those two stuck out. 

Anyway, I found a job with a 50% pay raise after one month of looking, so I came in on a Friday planning to give 2 weeks notice.  First thing the other guy working on my project tells me is that he is giving a 2 week notice today to her.  I congratulate him but otherwise keep quiet.  At the weekly company meeting later that day, another guy is there chuckling about how he has another job and he is giving his 2 week notice.  "Can you believe we're doing it on the same day.  <boss lady> is going to be really pissed."  I give him a very blank look and say "What makes you think you'll be the last one to resign today?"  He laughs for a few seconds and stops when he realizes what I am saying.  He couldn't keep himself from grinning during the meeting.

You would think having 20% of your employees quitting on the same day would have an impact on her, but nope, still the same b**ch.  On my next to last day we are to meet her early that morning (before 9:00) at the client's office and work on their computers and install needed software.  She barely makes an appearance and after 30 minutes heads out saying we are to stay there when done so we can go over everything that happened with her when she returns (this could easily be done the next day, but whatever...).  She then never returns.  Well...we wait and wait, and wait, and wait...   I guess she did return at some point, as I didn't hear anything from her and finally I left at 4:30 (I hadn't eaten since breakfast at that point).  Next day, my last day, we have the company meeting to review things for the week, and she has the bells to point out I left without waiting for her and wanting an explanation as to why.  I'm sitting there thinking she can't be serious: "Its my last day and she expects me to back down from that - well guess again."  I clear my throat and start and review everything that happened yesterday, what she did, pointing out lots of mistakes in her behavior, and what I did, and end with "and that's why I left when I did".  After a few seconds of silence she starts in on the next item on her agenda never to bring that up again.

It would never get to that point with me any more.  I have enough that while not rich, I would survive just fine for a year or two until I got another job.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #845 on: December 16, 2015, 02:09:04 PM »
^I have no idea why you would even consider working somewhere like that. Why do you even toy with the idea of working there? It is more interesting or prestigious our something?

I get paid by the hour. If you've got the money, Honey, I've got the time. ;)

Construction doesn't have the nice steady pace of most jobs. When there's work, you work as much as you can because when there's no work, you don't get paid. The week before I got married, I worked 119 hours in 7 days (5-16s, 1-17, 1-22). But, I paid for most of the wedding in that week. I worked 2600hrs in 39 weeks that year. So, 13 weeks off, no pay. If I was still single, I'd still be doing it.

More interesting, more money, stability, and like I said, I'm a reforming workaholic. I usually enjoy what I do.
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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #846 on: December 16, 2015, 03:02:51 PM »
^I have no idea why you would even consider working somewhere like that. Why do you even toy with the idea of working there? It is more interesting or prestigious our something?

I get paid by the hour. If you've got the money, Honey, I've got the time. ;)

Construction doesn't have the nice steady pace of most jobs. When there's work, you work as much as you can because when there's no work, you don't get paid. The week before I got married, I worked 119 hours in 7 days (5-16s, 1-17, 1-22). But, I paid for most of the wedding in that week. I worked 2600hrs in 39 weeks that year. So, 13 weeks off, no pay. If I was still single, I'd still be doing it.

More interesting, more money, stability, and like I said, I'm a reforming workaholic. I usually enjoy what I do.

Buried the lead a bit there, didn't you? ;) There is a lot of BS I will put up with if I really love what I do (not to say I will like the BS, or tolerate it, or not do everything in my power to prevent it), so that was the lead for me. That being said, HOLY CRAP you worked a crappy 7 days. I can only do that on drugs. I've done 100+ in a stretch, but once I sleep, I'm done being all ambitious.
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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #847 on: December 16, 2015, 04:46:50 PM »
IIRC the guy from "The Last Lecture" when he went on his honeymoon told his boss that he would only take calls from his mother in law and gave his boss her number.  And that if something was that on fire his boss could call his mother in law and explain the problem and then she could call him.

Also highly recommend "The Last Lecture" if you have not read it.

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I went to college at CMU (before  Randy Pausch started there).  I should read his last lecture.

Anyway, at my old job, when I went on a 2 week vacation - a senior coworker asked me for my cell phone #.  I didn't have one.  So I gave him my mom's phone #.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #848 on: December 16, 2015, 05:05:54 PM »
I should read his last lecture.

Don't bother--it's one of the most overrated things I can think of.

(Yes, I'm sure that ruffled some feathers.  No offense intended if you enjoyed it.  Just chiming in with another view on it.)
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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #849 on: December 16, 2015, 05:48:55 PM »
You know you can lie on your timecard....? The person using it in payroll probably has no one idea who you even are. There are other tricks too. We had a timeclock at one job, despite it allegedly being salary. If I wanted to leave early I would just "forget" to clock out, and tell the timekeeper the time I "left" the next day.

Of course, this only works if you are a quality employee who your boss likes having around and you treat your co-workers well so they don't raise a big stink and will defend you if necessary.

It's a good way to get fired and potentially blacklisted.  I agree you can usually get away with it if your boss consents, but larger companies always have someone higher up who will nuke the department of they find out

My organization had gotten in some extremely deep doo doo at one point due to timekeeping issues on certain contracts, so it was a major major deal.  You did NOT want to mess around with your timecard -- you and your boss were both at risk of immediate termination if there was any falsification.  You had to keep external records documenting all your billing in 15 minute increments.  Which wasted several hours a week, but that was apparently better than the consequences of not being so rigid.

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