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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3600 on: January 08, 2021, 01:43:00 PM »

For the past few years, the work environment has been slowly going downhill, and the quantity of work skyrocketing. The faster I work to keep up, the more bonus work Iím assigned because Iím ďefficient.Ē

This has been my problem in my career. I am shit on with more work and more complex work because I have the capability to handle it but working for the government means I am only awarded with more work and stress w/o more in pay. Well, I am tired of it all and cant wait for FIRE myself!

Congrats on an EPIC exit to FIRE!!!

Those kinds of work expectations and lack of reward are typical with jobs on Hillbilly Mountain, which is why people have learned not to work hard or try to advance themselves. It's a sad situation.

I would say it fairly typical in many companies and government. I worked in consultancy and business was always good except in april-may when it was time for the salary talks. The cost was up and the market unstable.

I set the expectations in my current position of what I was interested in and not interested in. I am happy to pitch in more than 40 hours sometimes, but 40 hours are my baseline. I told the owner of the lawfirm that I donít want the job to become my life. I was offered to work parttime or fulltime based on my preference. As long as I deliver according to the agreed expectations I am having a lot of freedom. If you have to much, you have to say that and ask what the boss wants you to prioritize between. I have seen many colleagues burnout due to a bad combination of not saying no at work or in private life. I am not going to let that happen to me. No job is worth that.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3601 on: January 08, 2021, 02:17:56 PM »
Most of these stories are understandably work related but another thread reminded me of a time frugality gave me the money to flip the bird to a nonwork problem.

I'd been working full time for just over a year and as I was still living like I had in college I'd stashed a bit of cash. My mother was an alcoholic and my brother and I learned that her house was being foreclosed because she'd been missing payments. After looking at the numbers my brother suggested we combine our savings an buy it from her. Turned out she was too far removed from reality to sign the paperwork, but her small town bank worked with us foreclosing the house and selling it to us the same day. She lived there for the rest of her life and honestly I'm still not sure she understood why her house wasn't foreclosed. Our sisters were not left homeless and when our mother died ~18 months later the sale of the house covered the cost of her funeral, helping them move, and even gave us all a small inheritance. None of that would have been possible if my brother and I hadn't been so frugal before hand.

An Epic story indeed! peace of mind you gave to your family considering the circumstances is invaluable.

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« Reply #3602 on: January 08, 2021, 04:14:17 PM »
Most of these stories are understandably work related but another thread reminded me of a time frugality gave me the money to flip the bird to a nonwork problem.

I'd been working full time for just over a year and as I was still living like I had in college I'd stashed a bit of cash. My mother was an alcoholic and my brother and I learned that her house was being foreclosed because she'd been missing payments. After looking at the numbers my brother suggested we combine our savings an buy it from her. Turned out she was too far removed from reality to sign the paperwork, but her small town bank worked with us foreclosing the house and selling it to us the same day. She lived there for the rest of her life and honestly I'm still not sure she understood why her house wasn't foreclosed. Our sisters were not left homeless and when our mother died ~18 months later the sale of the house covered the cost of her funeral, helping them move, and even gave us all a small inheritance. None of that would have been possible if my brother and I hadn't been so frugal before hand.

Yeah, you and your brother and the banker!   Well done!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3603 on: January 08, 2021, 04:20:45 PM »
Most of these stories are understandably work related but another thread reminded me of a time frugality gave me the money to flip the bird to a nonwork problem.

I'd been working full time for just over a year and as I was still living like I had in college I'd stashed a bit of cash. My mother was an alcoholic and my brother and I learned that her house was being foreclosed because she'd been missing payments. After looking at the numbers my brother suggested we combine our savings an buy it from her. Turned out she was too far removed from reality to sign the paperwork, but her small town bank worked with us foreclosing the house and selling it to us the same day. She lived there for the rest of her life and honestly I'm still not sure she understood why her house wasn't foreclosed. Our sisters were not left homeless and when our mother died ~18 months later the sale of the house covered the cost of her funeral, helping them move, and even gave us all a small inheritance. None of that would have been possible if my brother and I hadn't been so frugal before hand.

Yeah, you and your brother and the banker!   Well done!

We never met the banker in person, we just talked with her on the phone because we were another state. I wish I'd looked her up the next time I went to visit. I hope she's doing well FIRE'd now too.

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« Reply #3604 on: January 09, 2021, 01:11:21 PM »
Most of these stories are understandably work related but another thread reminded me of a time frugality gave me the money to flip the bird to a nonwork problem.

I'd been working full time for just over a year and as I was still living like I had in college I'd stashed a bit of cash. My mother was an alcoholic and my brother and I learned that her house was being foreclosed because she'd been missing payments. After looking at the numbers my brother suggested we combine our savings an buy it from her. Turned out she was too far removed from reality to sign the paperwork, but her small town bank worked with us foreclosing the house and selling it to us the same day. She lived there for the rest of her life and honestly I'm still not sure she understood why her house wasn't foreclosed. Our sisters were not left homeless and when our mother died ~18 months later the sale of the house covered the cost of her funeral, helping them move, and even gave us all a small inheritance. None of that would have been possible if my brother and I hadn't been so frugal before hand.

Wow! I think anybody in the world would respect that.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3605 on: January 09, 2021, 07:08:56 PM »
Wow! I think anybody in the world would respect that.

Thanks! Looking back on it now that was probably the first time in my life I had money to buy options. By the time my mother died 18 months later I'd stashed enough additional money I could negotiate for 5 weeks off to deal all the troubles that came with that. I politely told them I needed the time off, unpaid was fine, and I could either work there when I finished or I'd work somewhere else. They asked me to come back :)  It was so much an FU as "I really need to take care of this more than I need this job". Fifteen years later, I'm quite certain that was the right choice. Both my sisters are doing well, my bother will be FI this year too, and we're all pretty close despite being scattered about the country at times. Things could have turned out so much worse if we didn't have or think we had any options.

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« Reply #3606 on: January 09, 2021, 11:06:01 PM »
Those are both epic stories, @Alternatepriorities, but, at the same time, I'm kind of scandalized that someone who doesn't have the cognitive capacity to sell her house can still be foreclosed on. In your case, you and your brother were clearly acting in the best interest of your relatives, but it's easy to imagine a similar scenario in which the sons buy the mother's foreclosed house, evict her, and flip it for a quick profit

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« Reply #3607 on: January 10, 2021, 01:51:58 AM »
Those are both epic stories, @Alternatepriorities, but, at the same time, I'm kind of scandalized that someone who doesn't have the cognitive capacity to sell her house can still be foreclosed on. In your case, you and your brother were clearly acting in the best interest of your relatives, but it's easy to imagine a similar scenario in which the sons buy the mother's foreclosed house, evict her, and flip it for a quick profit

Well she hadnít been paying the mortgage in months by that point and didnít have any money to pay it with. I canít really fault the bank for moving to foreclose. Though even at 25 I knew enough to tell her to pay the mortgage rather than any other debts she had. She wouldnít listen though and it probably would have backfired anyway. Even without a mortgage she was in bankruptcy when she passed. The part I found most scandalous was the number of new credit applications she was receiving while in bankruptcy. A dozen or more arrived in the two weeks between her death and when we cancelled her mail. The bankruptcy was dismissed (not sure of the legal term) after i showed her public aid that she had less that $500 in assets when she died. I never did find out her total debt. Very thankful to live in a time and place where debts are not passed on the children.

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« Reply #3608 on: January 14, 2021, 07:50:03 AM »
I'm losing all interest in work and I'm almost to one year away from my RE planned date (was a stretch goal, but it's becoming clear that unless there's a major correction, I can do it quite comfortably). 
So I'm looking at moving my RE date earlier, but I'm hesitating and starting to think of all kinds of scenarios to walk away.  Most of them are to not say anything other than "need to focus on family". 

But today I started thinking that I'd like to tell the Security Officer (holds my clearance) that I plan to start consuming pot. 

That's it.  Just see what they do with the info.  HAHAHA  If I travel, I have to give them notice.  I really wonder what they would do if I called and said "I plan to start getting high on mm-dd-yyyy."  I wonder if they even have any procedure in place or if they would just be like "okay, thanks for letting us know" 

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« Reply #3609 on: January 14, 2021, 07:58:58 AM »
I'm losing all interest in work and I'm almost to one year away from my RE planned date (was a stretch goal, but it's becoming clear that unless there's a major correction, I can do it quite comfortably). 
So I'm looking at moving my RE date earlier, but I'm hesitating and starting to think of all kinds of scenarios to walk away.  Most of them are to not say anything other than "need to focus on family". 

But today I started thinking that I'd like to tell the Security Officer (holds my clearance) that I plan to start consuming pot. 

That's it.  Just see what they do with the info.  HAHAHA  If I travel, I have to give them notice.  I really wonder what they would do if I called and said "I plan to start getting high on mm-dd-yyyy."  I wonder if they even have any procedure in place or if they would just be like "okay, thanks for letting us know"

Would highly recommend you don't do anything to get terminated for cause... You never know how it might impact you in the future.

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« Reply #3610 on: January 14, 2021, 08:03:00 AM »
I'm losing all interest in work and I'm almost to one year away from my RE planned date (was a stretch goal, but it's becoming clear that unless there's a major correction, I can do it quite comfortably). 
So I'm looking at moving my RE date earlier, but I'm hesitating and starting to think of all kinds of scenarios to walk away.  Most of them are to not say anything other than "need to focus on family". 

But today I started thinking that I'd like to tell the Security Officer (holds my clearance) that I plan to start consuming pot. 

That's it.  Just see what they do with the info.  HAHAHA  If I travel, I have to give them notice.  I really wonder what they would do if I called and said "I plan to start getting high on mm-dd-yyyy."  I wonder if they even have any procedure in place or if they would just be like "okay, thanks for letting us know"

Would highly recommend you don't do anything to get terminated for cause... You never know how it might impact you in the future.

I agree with the above. Just put in your notice and be done with it. You don't have to give a reason. Doing something that could get you blacklisted may be something you regret later.

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« Reply #3611 on: January 14, 2021, 09:08:23 AM »
I'm losing all interest in work and I'm almost to one year away from my RE planned date (was a stretch goal, but it's becoming clear that unless there's a major correction, I can do it quite comfortably). 
So I'm looking at moving my RE date earlier, but I'm hesitating and starting to think of all kinds of scenarios to walk away.  Most of them are to not say anything other than "need to focus on family". 

But today I started thinking that I'd like to tell the Security Officer (holds my clearance) that I plan to start consuming pot. 

That's it.  Just see what they do with the info.  HAHAHA  If I travel, I have to give them notice.  I really wonder what they would do if I called and said "I plan to start getting high on mm-dd-yyyy."  I wonder if they even have any procedure in place or if they would just be like "okay, thanks for letting us know"

I wouldn't go there.  Within days you'd have coworkers who never talked to you before wanting to hang out with you....

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« Reply #3612 on: January 14, 2021, 09:13:59 AM »
I'm losing all interest in work and I'm almost to one year away from my RE planned date (was a stretch goal, but it's becoming clear that unless there's a major correction, I can do it quite comfortably). 
So I'm looking at moving my RE date earlier, but I'm hesitating and starting to think of all kinds of scenarios to walk away.  Most of them are to not say anything other than "need to focus on family". 

But today I started thinking that I'd like to tell the Security Officer (holds my clearance) that I plan to start consuming pot. 

That's it.  Just see what they do with the info.  HAHAHA  If I travel, I have to give them notice.  I really wonder what they would do if I called and said "I plan to start getting high on mm-dd-yyyy."  I wonder if they even have any procedure in place or if they would just be like "okay, thanks for letting us know"

Folks above me are probably rightly encouraging you not to do this, but I am saddened that none of them pointed out that this is freakin' hilarious. Thanks for giving me a big laugh as I start my day.

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« Reply #3613 on: January 14, 2021, 11:26:12 AM »
Those are both epic stories, @Alternatepriorities, but, at the same time, I'm kind of scandalized that someone who doesn't have the cognitive capacity to sell her house can still be foreclosed on. In your case, you and your brother were clearly acting in the best interest of your relatives, but it's easy to imagine a similar scenario in which the sons buy the mother's foreclosed house, evict her, and flip it for a quick profit

Well she hadn’t been paying the mortgage in months by that point and didn’t have any money to pay it with. I can’t really fault the bank for moving to foreclose.
I can see that. In a situation where the bank didn't know you and your brother and your mother, hopefully there would have been some mechanism to appoint someone independent to act on behalf of your mother.

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Though even at 25 I knew enough to tell her to pay the mortgage rather than any other debts she had. She wouldn’t listen though and it probably would have backfired anyway. Even without a mortgage she was in bankruptcy when she passed. The part I found most scandalous was the number of new credit applications she was receiving while in bankruptcy. A dozen or more arrived in the two weeks between her death and when we cancelled her mail. The bankruptcy was dismissed (not sure of the legal term) after i showed her public aid that she had less that $500 in assets when she died. I never did find out her total debt. Very thankful to live in a time and place where debts are not passed on the children.
Scandalous indeed.  I hope it was predators like that who got stuck with your mother's debt.

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« Reply #3614 on: January 14, 2021, 12:59:15 PM »
I don't know if it's a FU story, but it certainly is epic.

I had a meeting with my boss today which isn't that unusual. We have a great working relationship and are quite casual with each other, it also helps that we both married a doctor so we have some common ground.

Anyway... We start discussing changes we could implement after covid loosens its grip on our lives. He gets that faraway look and says "You know I've been thinking that we should just shutdown the office and work from home permanently, then we just require everyone to fill out timesheets with a 5 minute resolution and that will be much better..." *pause for effect* "but then I remembered that if I did that you would give notice on the spot and find a new hobby..." *big smirk*

Not going to lie, he had me in the first half. But it still feels epic that he knows that I am FI and be completely chill about it, I never told him specifically but discussions about investments, property have been going around the office and I guess he picked up on it.

And I am willing to concede that he pulled an epic-troll on me today :). I was halfway expected to get rick-rolled as well.

PS. For the record I have decided long ago that timesheets are an instant reason to quit a job. I've actually turned down jobs that required me to track my time.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3615 on: January 14, 2021, 01:09:30 PM »
Those are both epic stories, @Alternatepriorities, but, at the same time, I'm kind of scandalized that someone who doesn't have the cognitive capacity to sell her house can still be foreclosed on. In your case, you and your brother were clearly acting in the best interest of your relatives, but it's easy to imagine a similar scenario in which the sons buy the mother's foreclosed house, evict her, and flip it for a quick profit

Well she hadnít been paying the mortgage in months by that point and didnít have any money to pay it with. I canít really fault the bank for moving to foreclose.
I can see that. In a situation where the bank didn't know you and your brother and your mother, hopefully there would have been some mechanism to appoint someone independent to act on behalf of your mother.
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Yeah, I don't know what they would have done if we hadn't been involved. I assume the foreclosure would have gone ahead as scheduled and then police would have been called to evict her and my sisters from the property?



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Though even at 25 I knew enough to tell her to pay the mortgage rather than any other debts she had. She wouldnít listen though and it probably would have backfired anyway. Even without a mortgage she was in bankruptcy when she passed. The part I found most scandalous was the number of new credit applications she was receiving while in bankruptcy. A dozen or more arrived in the two weeks between her death and when we cancelled her mail. The bankruptcy was dismissed (not sure of the legal term) after i showed her public aid that she had less that $500 in assets when she died. I never did find out her total debt. Very thankful to live in a time and place where debts are not passed on the children.
Scandalous indeed.  I hope it was predators like that who got stuck with your mother's debt.
Same here. As it was mostly from major card companies I believe it is a safe bet.

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« Reply #3616 on: January 14, 2021, 01:26:29 PM »
I don't know if it's a FU story, but it certainly is epic.

I had a meeting with my boss today which isn't that unusual. We have a great working relationship and are quite casual with each other, it also helps that we both married a doctor so we have some common ground.

Anyway... We start discussing changes we could implement after covid loosens its grip on our lives. He gets that faraway look and says "You know I've been thinking that we should just shutdown the office and work from home permanently, then we just require everyone to fill out timesheets with a 5 minute resolution and that will be much better..." *pause for effect* "but then I remembered that if I did that you would give notice on the spot and find a new hobby..." *big smirk*

Not going to lie, he had me in the first half. But it still feels epic that he knows that I am FI and be completely chill about it, I never told him specifically but discussions about investments, property have been going around the office and I guess he picked up on it.

And I am willing to concede that he pulled an epic-troll on me today :). I was halfway expected to get rick-rolled as well.

PS. For the record I have decided long ago that timesheets are an instant reason to quit a job. I've actually turned down jobs that required me to track my time.

Hah, that was a good one!  Glad you have a boss you can joke with like that.  And good on knowing you limits on what you will tolerate.

Ironically, I intentionally sought out a job with timesheets.  The 5 minutes a day I devote to caring about it means I actually get paid for my overtime now.

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« Reply #3617 on: January 14, 2021, 02:18:49 PM »
Ironically, I intentionally sought out a job with timesheets.  The 5 minutes a day I devote to caring about it means I actually get paid for my overtime now.

I just don't overtime :) Much easier and keeps me at a good work-life balance and keeps the boss happy. If the unthinkable should happen I do put in some overtime, all I have to do is leave earlier some other day.

It's pretty sweet if you value your freedom as much as I do.

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« Reply #3618 on: January 14, 2021, 03:23:50 PM »
PS. For the record I have decided long ago that timesheets are an instant reason to quit a job. I've actually turned down jobs that required me to track my time.

 I've had a few decent timesheet gigs... If you can fill out the timesheet a week or month ahead of time and someone from accounting/admin thanks you, it has seemed to correspond to places where you pay a little lip service to following the rules and they bother someone else.

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« Reply #3619 on: January 14, 2021, 03:33:39 PM »
PS. For the record I have decided long ago that timesheets are an instant reason to quit a job. I've actually turned down jobs that required me to track my time.
I am salary and have to fill out a time sheet online. Previously I would just put in  put in 8 for every day and any holidays or pto. They decided that the really didn't need the time worked since I was salary and just to record any time off but I still had to approve it weekly.

So now most of the time I approve a blank time sheet.

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« Reply #3620 on: January 14, 2021, 04:48:46 PM »
I'm losing all interest in work and I'm almost to one year away from my RE planned date (was a stretch goal, but it's becoming clear that unless there's a major correction, I can do it quite comfortably). 
So I'm looking at moving my RE date earlier, but I'm hesitating and starting to think of all kinds of scenarios to walk away.  Most of them are to not say anything other than "need to focus on family". 

But today I started thinking that I'd like to tell the Security Officer (holds my clearance) that I plan to start consuming pot. 

That's it.  Just see what they do with the info.  HAHAHA  If I travel, I have to give them notice.  I really wonder what they would do if I called and said "I plan to start getting high on mm-dd-yyyy."  I wonder if they even have any procedure in place or if they would just be like "okay, thanks for letting us know"

Folks above me are probably rightly encouraging you not to do this, but I am saddened that none of them pointed out that this is freakin' hilarious. Thanks for giving me a big laugh as I start my day.

Thank you!  I found it hilarious mostly because I truly do not think they would do anything. Iím done. Iím not going back. I donít care about burning bridges (although I donít think itís really burning bridges). Also, Iíve been so worried about what to tell them why Iím leaving (there will be questions and I donít intend to tell them the truth) this oils be an easy way out. Itís not illegal so they canít hold it against me and if I tell them in advance they must either act or accept.
Iím talking myself into it the more I think on it.

Iíve already told many people I work with that I intend to become a total stoner once I retire. I donít think anyone actually believes me because Iím incredibly square.

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« Reply #3621 on: January 14, 2021, 05:21:00 PM »
I'm losing all interest in work and I'm almost to one year away from my RE planned date (was a stretch goal, but it's becoming clear that unless there's a major correction, I can do it quite comfortably). 
So I'm looking at moving my RE date earlier, but I'm hesitating and starting to think of all kinds of scenarios to walk away.  Most of them are to not say anything other than "need to focus on family". 

But today I started thinking that I'd like to tell the Security Officer (holds my clearance) that I plan to start consuming pot. 

That's it.  Just see what they do with the info.  HAHAHA  If I travel, I have to give them notice.  I really wonder what they would do if I called and said "I plan to start getting high on mm-dd-yyyy."  I wonder if they even have any procedure in place or if they would just be like "okay, thanks for letting us know"

Folks above me are probably rightly encouraging you not to do this, but I am saddened that none of them pointed out that this is freakin' hilarious. Thanks for giving me a big laugh as I start my day.

Thank you!  I found it hilarious mostly because I truly do not think they would do anything. Iím done. Iím not going back. I donít care about burning bridges (although I donít think itís really burning bridges). Also, Iíve been so worried about what to tell them why Iím leaving (there will be questions and I donít intend to tell them the truth) this oils be an easy way out. Itís not illegal so they canít hold it against me and if I tell them in advance they must either act or accept.
Iím talking myself into it the more I think on it.

Iíve already told many people I work with that I intend to become a total stoner once I retire. I donít think anyone actually believes me because Iím incredibly square.

As a former member of the military, I strongly encourage this approach on the condition that you retell the actual events here.

They always tell you that it's better to be completely honest about these things than have something to be blackmailed over, right?

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« Reply #3622 on: January 14, 2021, 06:49:39 PM »
I'm losing all interest in work and I'm almost to one year away from my RE planned date (was a stretch goal, but it's becoming clear that unless there's a major correction, I can do it quite comfortably). 
So I'm looking at moving my RE date earlier, but I'm hesitating and starting to think of all kinds of scenarios to walk away.  Most of them are to not say anything other than "need to focus on family". 

But today I started thinking that I'd like to tell the Security Officer (holds my clearance) that I plan to start consuming pot. 

That's it.  Just see what they do with the info.  HAHAHA  If I travel, I have to give them notice.  I really wonder what they would do if I called and said "I plan to start getting high on mm-dd-yyyy."  I wonder if they even have any procedure in place or if they would just be like "okay, thanks for letting us know"

Folks above me are probably rightly encouraging you not to do this, but I am saddened that none of them pointed out that this is freakin' hilarious. Thanks for giving me a big laugh as I start my day.

Thank you!  I found it hilarious mostly because I truly do not think they would do anything. Iím done. Iím not going back. I donít care about burning bridges (although I donít think itís really burning bridges). Also, Iíve been so worried about what to tell them why Iím leaving (there will be questions and I donít intend to tell them the truth) this oils be an easy way out. Itís not illegal so they canít hold it against me and if I tell them in advance they must either act or accept.
Iím talking myself into it the more I think on it.

Iíve already told many people I work with that I intend to become a total stoner once I retire. I donít think anyone actually believes me because Iím incredibly square.
I had applied for a DC job at one point that included a pretty intensive background check. There was a fun moment where I was on a polygraph with a crew-cut wearing DOD operator asking me to describe exactly how much pot I had smoked while in college in Santa Cruz, just for the record. We agreed on a rough estimate based on number of days as an acceptable answer.

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« Reply #3623 on: January 14, 2021, 09:02:17 PM »
I'm losing all interest in work and I'm almost to one year away from my RE planned date (was a stretch goal, but it's becoming clear that unless there's a major correction, I can do it quite comfortably). 
So I'm looking at moving my RE date earlier, but I'm hesitating and starting to think of all kinds of scenarios to walk away.  Most of them are to not say anything other than "need to focus on family". 

But today I started thinking that I'd like to tell the Security Officer (holds my clearance) that I plan to start consuming pot. 

That's it.  Just see what they do with the info.  HAHAHA  If I travel, I have to give them notice.  I really wonder what they would do if I called and said "I plan to start getting high on mm-dd-yyyy."  I wonder if they even have any procedure in place or if they would just be like "okay, thanks for letting us know"

Folks above me are probably rightly encouraging you not to do this, but I am saddened that none of them pointed out that this is freakin' hilarious. Thanks for giving me a big laugh as I start my day.

Thank you!  I found it hilarious mostly because I truly do not think they would do anything. Iím done. Iím not going back. I donít care about burning bridges (although I donít think itís really burning bridges). Also, Iíve been so worried about what to tell them why Iím leaving (there will be questions and I donít intend to tell them the truth) this oils be an easy way out. Itís not illegal so they canít hold it against me and if I tell them in advance they must either act or accept.
Iím talking myself into it the more I think on it.

Iíve already told many people I work with that I intend to become a total stoner once I retire. I donít think anyone actually believes me because Iím incredibly square.
I had applied for a DC job at one point that included a pretty intensive background check. There was a fun moment where I was on a polygraph with a crew-cut wearing DOD operator asking me to describe exactly how much pot I had smoked while in college in Santa Cruz, just for the record. We agreed on a rough estimate based on number of days as an acceptable answer.

A friend of mine who worked for decades at DoD said that the key word to use was "experimental". Which, of course, led to a discussion of just how long/how many times could be considered an experiment. ("I wanted to get a statistically significant result!")

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« Reply #3624 on: January 15, 2021, 04:04:45 AM »
Those are both epic stories, @Alternatepriorities, but, at the same time, I'm kind of scandalized that someone who doesn't have the cognitive capacity to sell her house can still be foreclosed on. In your case, you and your brother were clearly acting in the best interest of your relatives, but it's easy to imagine a similar scenario in which the sons buy the mother's foreclosed house, evict her, and flip it for a quick profit

Well she hadnít been paying the mortgage in months by that point and didnít have any money to pay it with. I canít really fault the bank for moving to foreclose.
I can see that. In a situation where the bank didn't know you and your brother and your mother, hopefully there would have been some mechanism to appoint someone independent to act on behalf of your mother.

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Though even at 25 I knew enough to tell her to pay the mortgage rather than any other debts she had. She wouldnít listen though and it probably would have backfired anyway. Even without a mortgage she was in bankruptcy when she passed. The part I found most scandalous was the number of new credit applications she was receiving while in bankruptcy. A dozen or more arrived in the two weeks between her death and when we cancelled her mail. The bankruptcy was dismissed (not sure of the legal term) after i showed her public aid that she had less that $500 in assets when she died. I never did find out her total debt. Very thankful to live in a time and place where debts are not passed on the children.
Scandalous indeed.  I hope it was predators like that who got stuck with your mother's debt.
Reading that again I had a new thought: What if the mother had gotten the credits a few weeks before she dies.
I don't know how it is in the US, but in Germany you can gift/endowment (whats the English legal term?) up to 400K/decade for a child without paying taxes (talk about "You can't give poor/unemployed free money or they will stop working/search for new work!!!" never again please).
Your mothers gifts you that sum and dies.
You refuse the inheritance (and such the debt).
You have the money, the predators the middle finger. Sounds good if you ask me!


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There was a fun moment where I was on a polygraph
Fortunately such unworking toothsayer's equipment is illegal here.
It's hard to find a red flag for a working place that's bigger than that. Except you want a job writing horoscopes maybe.

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« Reply #3625 on: January 15, 2021, 06:23:23 AM »
@LennStar in NL all gifts made in the 180 days before death are considered to be part of the inheritance, exactly to avoid the scenario where people give away all their assets and keep the debts.

Lots of people start to give away money to their children starting when they are about retirement age. That way the assets will be mostly gone by the time a person dies.

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« Reply #3626 on: January 15, 2021, 07:54:26 PM »
This started off innocently enough with an email to my supervisor:

"Just a reminder Iím off on Monday 1/18." (Recall this is MLK Jr. Day - a federally recognized holiday.)

It quickly escalated with his reply:

"(ScreamingHeadGuy),

This is getting ridiculous, when do you intend to put in 40 hours a week?
You had off yesterday Sick and now Monday off."

It is true - I did take a sick day yesterday.  But what does it matter that I have a sick day and then take a regularly scheduled vacation (which I'm probably now going to use sick time for instead just to poke the wound) the next week?  So I jumped the shark with my reply:

(Supervisor),

If you are unhappy with my performance as an employee of (firm's long formal name - like when your mom yells at you using your middle name you know it's serious) I suggest you bring the matter to the attention of HR so as to draft a separation agreement which protects the interests of (acronym for firm)and myself.  In that agreement I would expect:

(list of 17 items firm and/or I would do as part of agreement - mostly stolen from a former co-worker's agreement which I had obtained a copy of)

Iíd propose the ďend of employmentĒ date be between 2/19 and 3/5, which should provide for adequate time to transfer projects over.  This also would allow me a reasonable time to begin (and maybe finish) a search for a new job and possibly altogether avoid needing to apply for unemployment.

If you so choose to end this professional relationship Iíd like to thank you for the time weíve spent working together.  Either way Iíll check back with you on Tuesday."

Part of that is a bald-faced lie - I'm not going to seriously look for another job and I'm just trying to string-out employment as long as I can to cram my 401(k) as full as I can for the year; because of that I'm not going to file an unemployment claim - but my firm doesn't need to know that.  Besides if they think I'm headed to a competitor they're more likely to pay me to go away quietly and keep my mouth shut afterwards. 

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« Reply #3627 on: January 15, 2021, 08:26:36 PM »
I'd like to know what the 17 items are.

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« Reply #3628 on: January 15, 2021, 08:35:49 PM »
@ScreamingHeadGuy, I think this is my favorite FU story so far.  LOVE it!

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« Reply #3629 on: January 15, 2021, 09:44:10 PM »
I'd like to know what the 17 items are.
Hear, Hear, President Wilson only had 14 points to reorganize all of Europe.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points

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« Reply #3630 on: January 16, 2021, 03:53:24 AM »
@ScreamingHeadGuy Now we really need to know what happened after you sent this epic email!

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« Reply #3631 on: January 16, 2021, 05:06:40 AM »
@ScreamingHeadGuy Now we really need to know what happened after you sent this epic email!

Love it.  Me too.

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« Reply #3632 on: January 16, 2021, 05:26:13 AM »
@ScreamingHeadGuy Now we really need to know what happened after you sent this epic email!

Love it.  Me too.
I hope we'll find out on Tuesday, but it's possible ScreamingHeadGuy will be too busy to post.  I'm sure it will be good when he does.

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« Reply #3633 on: January 19, 2021, 08:28:22 AM »
@ScreamingHeadGuy Now we really need to know what happened after you sent this epic email!

Love it.  Me too.
I hope we'll find out on Tuesday, but it's possible ScreamingHeadGuy will be too busy to post.  I'm sure it will be good when he does.

I've been hanging out in this thread just waiting for an update.

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« Reply #3634 on: January 20, 2021, 07:13:38 PM »
I'd like to know what the 17 items are.

Nothing out of the ordinary - it's pretty much standard stuff (from what I've seen of other agreements). 

Firm would: pay me 8 weeks' salary as severance, continue to award PTO until my end of employment, payout all accumulated PTO at end of employment, extend health insurance coverage to last day of month my employment ends, immediately provide letter with date of end of health insurance coverage.

I would: waive any claims against firm, waive any bonus firm issues, return any office equipment firm wants, agree not to disparage firm, not share confidential information, not share trade secrets. 

Note: I specifically did leave out "not contact firm's clients" because I want to use that as leverage if they think I'm looking to poach clients when I move to a competitor.

As of yet my supervisor has only sent one email with the gist of "I'll get back to you after I talk to HR."  Given the pace of our not-in-house HR department this could mean I'm cut loose tomorrow or in six weeks from Friday.  Either way is fine with me, as long as they pay up. 

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« Reply #3635 on: January 21, 2021, 09:13:30 AM »
I'd like to know what the 17 items are.

Nothing out of the ordinary - it's pretty much standard stuff (from what I've seen of other agreements). 

Firm would: pay me 8 weeks' salary as severance, continue to award PTO until my end of employment, payout all accumulated PTO at end of employment, extend health insurance coverage to last day of month my employment ends, immediately provide letter with date of end of health insurance coverage.

I would: waive any claims against firm, waive any bonus firm issues, return any office equipment firm wants, agree not to disparage firm, not share confidential information, not share trade secrets. 

Note: I specifically did leave out "not contact firm's clients" because I want to use that as leverage if they think I'm looking to poach clients when I move to a competitor.

As of yet my supervisor has only sent one email with the gist of "I'll get back to you after I talk to HR."  Given the pace of our not-in-house HR department this could mean I'm cut loose tomorrow or in six weeks from Friday.  Either way is fine with me, as long as they pay up.

Cool. I'm going to work some of these into future contracts. And good luck with your transition!

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« Reply #3636 on: January 22, 2021, 02:52:28 PM »
I'd like to know what the 17 items are.

Nothing out of the ordinary - it's pretty much standard stuff (from what I've seen of other agreements). 

Firm would: pay me 8 weeks' salary as severance, continue to award PTO until my end of employment, payout all accumulated PTO at end of employment, extend health insurance coverage to last day of month my employment ends, immediately provide letter with date of end of health insurance coverage.

I would: waive any claims against firm, waive any bonus firm issues, return any office equipment firm wants, agree not to disparage firm, not share confidential information, not share trade secrets. 

Note: I specifically did leave out "not contact firm's clients" because I want to use that as leverage if they think I'm looking to poach clients when I move to a competitor.

As of yet my supervisor has only sent one email with the gist of "I'll get back to you after I talk to HR."  Given the pace of our not-in-house HR department this could mean I'm cut loose tomorrow or in six weeks from Friday.  Either way is fine with me, as long as they pay up.

I saw on another thread that you were done. So did you get anything you asked for?

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« Reply #3637 on: January 22, 2021, 02:55:10 PM »
I'd like to know what the 17 items are.

Nothing out of the ordinary - it's pretty much standard stuff (from what I've seen of other agreements). 

Firm would: pay me 8 weeks' salary as severance, continue to award PTO until my end of employment, payout all accumulated PTO at end of employment, extend health insurance coverage to last day of month my employment ends, immediately provide letter with date of end of health insurance coverage.

I would: waive any claims against firm, waive any bonus firm issues, return any office equipment firm wants, agree not to disparage firm, not share confidential information, not share trade secrets. 

Note: I specifically did leave out "not contact firm's clients" because I want to use that as leverage if they think I'm looking to poach clients when I move to a competitor.

As of yet my supervisor has only sent one email with the gist of "I'll get back to you after I talk to HR."  Given the pace of our not-in-house HR department this could mean I'm cut loose tomorrow or in six weeks from Friday.  Either way is fine with me, as long as they pay up.

I saw on another thread that you were done. So did you get anything you asked for?

I might be contractually obligated to not discuss whether or not I have agreed to a separation package.  Maybe sorry for that. 

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« Reply #3638 on: January 22, 2021, 02:57:08 PM »
I might be contractually obligated to not discuss whether or not I have agreed to a separation package.  Maybe sorry for that. 

Cool! Sounds good to me :)

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« Reply #3639 on: January 22, 2021, 03:29:30 PM »
I'd like to know what the 17 items are.

Nothing out of the ordinary - it's pretty much standard stuff (from what I've seen of other agreements). 

Firm would: pay me 8 weeks' salary as severance, continue to award PTO until my end of employment, payout all accumulated PTO at end of employment, extend health insurance coverage to last day of month my employment ends, immediately provide letter with date of end of health insurance coverage.

I would: waive any claims against firm, waive any bonus firm issues, return any office equipment firm wants, agree not to disparage firm, not share confidential information, not share trade secrets. 

Note: I specifically did leave out "not contact firm's clients" because I want to use that as leverage if they think I'm looking to poach clients when I move to a competitor.

As of yet my supervisor has only sent one email with the gist of "I'll get back to you after I talk to HR."  Given the pace of our not-in-house HR department this could mean I'm cut loose tomorrow or in six weeks from Friday.  Either way is fine with me, as long as they pay up.

I saw on another thread that you were done. So did you get anything you asked for?

I might be contractually obligated to not discuss whether or not I have agreed to a separation package.  Maybe sorry for that.
For how long?

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« Reply #3640 on: January 22, 2021, 06:44:44 PM »
I might be contractually obligated to not discuss whether or not I have agreed to a separation package.  Maybe sorry for that. 

Cool! Sounds good to me :)

Wow, so your name really is Screaming Head Guy.

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« Reply #3641 on: January 27, 2021, 11:26:07 AM »
His parents gave him "Head" for the middle name because of family tradition.

Otherwise, could have been Screaming James Guy.

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« Reply #3642 on: February 26, 2021, 10:49:35 AM »
I posted over in Bad Assity but someone suggested I post over here as well.  Yesterday I quit my incredibly toxic job.  It's been pretty bad for 3 years (since my hiring manager left and the CEO put his BFF who got fired from another org in place).  But, the last 4 months have been horrific, it's really affecting my mental health.  As an example of the kind of guy he is- he is the Chief HR Officer and this summer said "We should have a fried chicken food truck and a bunch of watermelon this week for our (mostly black) employee population because 'those people like that kind of thing'.  Seriously, you can't make this shit up.

In November was 'offered' a promotion- in reality I was  told I would be in a new role that was recently vacated.  Not only was I told that I would be in this VP role, but would also keep my old job so now I have 2 50 hour/ week jobs.  And they didn't want to pay me more.  Rather, I would be 'on a path' to more comp.  No.  Fucking.  Way.  So, I negotiated 20k more $ and actually got it b/c I appealed to HR regarding internal comp equity.  Then they dumped a client on me that is both verbally and emotionally abusive.  I don't mean 'difficult'.  I've dealt with that for a long time but this is actually abusive.  I reported her behaviors several times and the org refused to investigate (counter to federal law).  On top of that my boss kept saying 'What did I give you an extra 20k for if you can't handle a tough client?!"  Well, fuck them.  I don't need that.  Nothing is worth my mental health.

So in my mind I set an April 1 leave date.  We're nearly FI so I have a good runway.  I then reached out to someone who approached me for a contract role a few months ago.  They were still looking so I signed and quit.  I'll start with them on March 15th and the contract will take me all the way to my FIRE date in Feb 2022.  Leadership was totally floored when I resigned and started panicking over an upcoming big important meeting with the shit client. They wanted me to still attend.  I said nopey nope nope.  If they want to cut my notice short, fine with me.

I'm excited about the new job.  I get to approach it as mostly fun and temporary.

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« Reply #3643 on: February 26, 2021, 11:53:13 AM »
Good for you @asauer! Enjoy what comes next.

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« Reply #3644 on: February 26, 2021, 12:03:00 PM »
If they want to cut my notice short, fine with me.
The last threat/ultimatum of desperate management, "we're going to make you miss these last 2 weeks of pay!" is really just a relieved "oh god, thank you so much!" when you quit for FU reasons

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« Reply #3645 on: February 26, 2021, 12:05:37 PM »
I posted over in Bad Assity but someone suggested I post over here as well.  Yesterday I quit my incredibly toxic job.  It's been pretty bad for 3 years (since my hiring manager left and the CEO put his BFF who got fired from another org in place).  But, the last 4 months have been horrific, it's really affecting my mental health.  As an example of the kind of guy he is- he is the Chief HR Officer and this summer said "We should have a fried chicken food truck and a bunch of watermelon this week for our (mostly black) employee population because 'those people like that kind of thing'.  Seriously, you can't make this shit up.

In November was 'offered' a promotion- in reality I was  told I would be in a new role that was recently vacated.  Not only was I told that I would be in this VP role, but would also keep my old job so now I have 2 50 hour/ week jobs.  And they didn't want to pay me more.  Rather, I would be 'on a path' to more comp.  No.  Fucking.  Way.  So, I negotiated 20k more $ and actually got it b/c I appealed to HR regarding internal comp equity.  Then they dumped a client on me that is both verbally and emotionally abusive.  I don't mean 'difficult'.  I've dealt with that for a long time but this is actually abusive.  I reported her behaviors several times and the org refused to investigate (counter to federal law).  On top of that my boss kept saying 'What did I give you an extra 20k for if you can't handle a tough client?!"  Well, fuck them.  I don't need that.  Nothing is worth my mental health.

So in my mind I set an April 1 leave date.  We're nearly FI so I have a good runway.  I then reached out to someone who approached me for a contract role a few months ago.  They were still looking so I signed and quit.  I'll start with them on March 15th and the contract will take me all the way to my FIRE date in Feb 2022.  Leadership was totally floored when I resigned and started panicking over an upcoming big important meeting with the shit client. They wanted me to still attend.  I said nopey nope nope.  If they want to cut my notice short, fine with me.

I'm excited about the new job.  I get to approach it as mostly fun and temporary.

Good for you, there is no way someone even just halfway to FI should deal with that for more than a month before just moving on. 

"nearly FI", or someone who plans to just work one more year, is practically speaking the same as FI unless there is some golden handcuff situation (a pension starting or something), so you can ditch this new job as well if its not interesting and healthy (i.e. there's no way you can really count on being in better shape to RE in a year than right now, given the market can certainly correct faster than you can earn money at this point, so you're already day to day IMO).  Congrats.

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« Reply #3646 on: February 26, 2021, 12:06:49 PM »
Good for you @asauer! Enjoy what comes next.
Definitely meets the EPIC FU money story criteria!   Sometimes I wish I had a good story, but tales like yours are a good reason to only experience FU Money vicariously.
Awesome move!

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« Reply #3647 on: February 26, 2021, 12:06:57 PM »
If they want to cut my notice short, fine with me.
The last threat/ultimatum of desperate management, "we're going to make you miss these last 2 weeks of pay!" is really just a relieved "oh god, thank you so much!" when you quit for FU reasons
yeah, there's absolutely no way I'd give them the two weeks anyway, you've got another job starting soon, take the time off instead.

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« Reply #3648 on: February 26, 2021, 12:07:52 PM »
So in my mind I set an April 1 leave date.  We're nearly FI so I have a good runway.  I then reached out to someone who approached me for a contract role a few months ago.  They were still looking so I signed and quit.  I'll start with them on March 15th and the contract will take me all the way to my FIRE date in Feb 2022.  Leadership was totally floored when I resigned and started panicking over an upcoming big important meeting with the shit client. They wanted me to still attend.  I said nopey nope nope.  If they want to cut my notice short, fine with me.

I'm excited about the new job.  I get to approach it as mostly fun and temporary.

Excellent! Definitely belongs in the hall of fame among these stories!

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« Reply #3649 on: February 26, 2021, 12:55:08 PM »
Congratulations! What a terrible situation. This is another reminder of the power and importance of FU money. If the situation is good, you don't need it. But if the situation is bad, you have the freedom to walk away and they can't abuse or manipulate you into it anymore.

I get so much enjoyment when people are blown away that someone doesn't need a job. "Yes, I have enough money to live for a very long time without a job, thank you very much. I don't need to cower before you..."