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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3050 on: May 06, 2020, 04:00:40 AM »

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« Reply #3051 on: May 06, 2020, 07:38:32 AM »
+1. Hope to read more from @Madalope.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3052 on: May 06, 2020, 07:52:59 AM »
Awesome Madalope. I just wish you had a camera to record the look on your bosses face when you did that.

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« Reply #3053 on: May 06, 2020, 12:26:50 PM »
That is an awesome story!

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« Reply #3054 on: May 06, 2020, 01:23:46 PM »
@Madalope, Inspiring story. Congrats on strength of your position.

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« Reply #3055 on: May 06, 2020, 01:24:07 PM »
Great story - and inspiring.  Well done.

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« Reply #3056 on: May 06, 2020, 01:58:19 PM »
Awesome Madalope. I just wish you had a camera to record the look on your bosses face when you did that.


Don't worry, I found the footage of his last day on the internet:



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« Reply #3057 on: May 06, 2020, 05:09:41 PM »
"I am sorry, but I am resigning now".  I walked out of the office, ... , and I said it wasn't personal, but I was deeply unhappy.   

Stories like this are why I keep coming back to this thread.

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« Reply #3058 on: May 06, 2020, 07:34:41 PM »
*Slow Clap*

Well done. Very well done!

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« Reply #3059 on: May 08, 2020, 01:36:46 PM »

 On the last project they promised payment "as soon as we collect from our client"... Well, they never hired the EE staff the project required and eventually their customer pulled the project without payment. I got left with 400+ hours of unpaid invoices. Never again.

I've had a few companies I work with write this language into my contract.  I immediately take out a pen and cross it out.  My work for them is not dependent upon their relationship with anybody else.  I wish more people understood that contracts are simply agreements between two parties and that both of those parties have equal standing and equal ability to change any part of a written contract.  It feels so good to do it too, especially when the contracts admin on the other side is relatively young and doesn't know that it's allowed. They're shocked that I would have the audacity to cross out their printed form!  Ha!   I feel as if I'm teaching them a valuable life lesson by seeing this in action. 

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« Reply #3060 on: May 08, 2020, 03:21:01 PM »

 On the last project they promised payment "as soon as we collect from our client"... Well, they never hired the EE staff the project required and eventually their customer pulled the project without payment. I got left with 400+ hours of unpaid invoices. Never again.

I've had a few companies I work with write this language into my contract.  I immediately take out a pen and cross it out.  My work for them is not dependent upon their relationship with anybody else.  I wish more people understood that contracts are simply agreements between two parties and that both of those parties have equal standing and equal ability to change any part of a written contract.  It feels so good to do it too, especially when the contracts admin on the other side is relatively young and doesn't know that it's allowed. They're shocked that I would have the audacity to cross out their printed form!  Ha!   I feel as if I'm teaching them a valuable life lesson by seeing this in action.
Iíd pay to see the video of the admin as they ďbut..but...but.. sputter.... ď

I once had to tell a young guy that I was NOT going to take a picture of every sample as it was placed in the instrument (20 samples, each measured 5 times) .  ďBut my boss says soĒ, answer: he is not MY boss :-)   There also was a cultural divide , kid was Japanese, I was old, cranky American.  I told him if his boss wanted it that bad, HE should do it. He did the first night, then tailed off.  My camera was a 12Mpixel, 4MB/pic macro lens.

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« Reply #3061 on: May 11, 2020, 11:38:20 AM »

 On the last project they promised payment "as soon as we collect from our client"... Well, they never hired the EE staff the project required and eventually their customer pulled the project without payment. I got left with 400+ hours of unpaid invoices. Never again.

I've had a few companies I work with write this language into my contract.  I immediately take out a pen and cross it out.  My work for them is not dependent upon their relationship with anybody else.  I wish more people understood that contracts are simply agreements between two parties and that both of those parties have equal standing and equal ability to change any part of a written contract.  It feels so good to do it too, especially when the contracts admin on the other side is relatively young and doesn't know that it's allowed. They're shocked that I would have the audacity to cross out their printed form!  Ha!   I feel as if I'm teaching them a valuable life lesson by seeing this in action.

They were very much in breach of contract. I knew there was a risk of things going down the way they did, but tried to keep the project alive for their customer's sake as well as the friends I had who worked for the client, but didn't have any control over company spending... I learned some very valuable lessons about top heave business models and having the management of an engineering firm skew heavily from one discipline while trying to manage three. I've certainly wasted 400 hours for less cause in my life.

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« Reply #3062 on: May 28, 2020, 06:15:04 PM »
Ugh... is it an Epic FU story if you really, really don't want it to happen? Because I might have one in my near future.

I really like my employer. Great boss, great colleagues, fun job, good money. Even the higher-ups are genuinely decent people.

But...

We went through a much needed restructuring earlier this year. Two bloated departments (relics from the company's start-up days) were split into a dozen. But my work unit, which is of comparable size to the newly formed departments, has been in limbo these past five months.

And now there's talk of splitting us up and dividing us among the other departments. It makes no sense. We provide a specialized service (think IT maintenance, except it isn't because I don't want to give too many identifying details). We need a team to balance workload and train younglings junior employees. We each have our area of expertise within our specialization. We work well together.

Problem is we're the newest work unit in the company (though already three years old). And my boss who formed it always got quite a bit of pushback, mainly from one manager for reasons I don't get, even though the numbers and client feedback prove that we're essential to project success.

Honestly, this unit was the reason I joined the company in the first place. If it's dissolved, I don't want to remain here. I don't want to be a random department's pet IT gal. But among all the places I've worked at, this is (was?) hands down the best. If only they stopped being stubborn goobers.

I was honest with my boss today and said that if our team was dissolved, I wouldn't stay - not as an ultimatum, but so that she isn't blindsided if/when I quit. She's been struggling to keep us together and I hate to lay more pressure on her, but yeah...I'm quite discouraged by how this is going.

I have a couple years worth of expenses saved and I'm confident that I'd be able to land a job fairly quickly. But I would hate to leave.

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« Reply #3063 on: May 28, 2020, 09:43:55 PM »
...I really like my employer. Great boss, great colleagues, fun job, good money. Even the higher-ups are genuinely decent people.

But...

Honestly, this unit was the reason I joined the company in the first place. If it's dissolved, I don't want to remain here.

I was honest with my boss today and said that if our team was dissolved, I wouldn't stay - not as an ultimatum, but so that she isn't blindsided if/when I quit. She's been struggling to keep us together and I hate to lay more pressure on her, but yeah...I'm quite discouraged by how this is going.
.......
If you haven't already, try to spin this to the boss as backing her play to keep the team together.
She can say, if you split the team up, the former parts of the team won't be there to pick up the pieces.

I'm reasonably confident that a boss I had played this card.  SemiBigCorp HQ Question : How many of the 15 very core people would move to SemiBigCorp HQ?  Boss answer:  maybe one :-)
SemiBigCorp HQ: well we guess you can stay at current location.


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« Reply #3064 on: May 29, 2020, 08:06:20 AM »
Not necessarily a full FU story since my management is actually awesome and didnt push back at this BUT I am now using 2-3 hours of PTO every week (which pretty much uses up my monthly accrual) to deal with being a two full time working parent household while not having childcare for two kids under 5.  It will put me on some list the director keeps of 40.0s (people that dont give free OT to the company) but I don't give a shit because I have enough money I can go on an unpaid leave of absence if they want to push me!  Based on my supervisor and manager I dont see this getting to the FU point but I am able to make this decision without the fear of repercussions that others might have because of my FU money.  FU money for the win!

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« Reply #3065 on: May 29, 2020, 09:29:10 AM »
Not necessarily a full FU story since my management is actually awesome and didnt push back at this BUT I am now using 2-3 hours of PTO every week (which pretty much uses up my monthly accrual) to deal with being a two full time working parent household while not having childcare for two kids under 5.  It will put me on some list the director keeps of 40.0s (people that dont give free OT to the company) but I don't give a shit because I have enough money I can go on an unpaid leave of absence if they want to push me!  Based on my supervisor and manager I dont see this getting to the FU point but I am able to make this decision without the fear of repercussions that others might have because of my FU money.  FU money for the win!

That's fantastic! Cheers to FU money.

I am in similar situation. For last couple of years, I am using up most of paid time off I have available. Vacations, sick time, volunteer time so on. This year I also have parental leave. Together with this additional time off I am working only 3 days a week.

4 days a week, I am available to help with kids and spend time together. Our family is loving it.

If a benefit is provided to me I am going to use it. I see many people barely use their time off, set up imaginary hurdles afraid of consequences. FU money helps not giving shit.

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« Reply #3066 on: May 29, 2020, 11:35:52 AM »
It will put me on some list the director keeps of 40.0s (people that dont give free OT to the company)

When I signed on with the company, they agreed to pay me $x/yr for 40hr/week.  If they want 40+, they can pay me $x+.  But it really should be a bit of give and take.  If there is an emergency, I will work extra.  Then when I need to go to the doc or some other errand, I expect to not have to use PTO.

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« Reply #3067 on: May 29, 2020, 03:39:54 PM »
It will put me on some list the director keeps of 40.0s (people that dont give free OT to the company) but I don't give a shit because I have enough money I can go on an unpaid leave of absence if they want to push me!

Your company penalizes people for using the benefits they earned and not working more than the hours they agreed to work? I'd tell them to screw themselves and be out of there pronto!

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« Reply #3068 on: May 29, 2020, 04:43:02 PM »
If a benefit is provided to me I am going to use it. I see many people barely use their time off, set up imaginary hurdles afraid of consequences. FU money helps not giving shit.

When I was at the Big Company there were tons of people who would not use their time off to the point they would lose the time and this was when the vacation time was allowed to accrue up to a couple of years and they still lost it.  One time I mentioned I was going on vacation and coworker said "Really?  That's not the Big Company way"  and my response was "Big Company gives me these benefits and I am going to use them".   Big Company's benefits were generous and no way was I not using them.

Incidentally I never had a problem requesting vacation time, I always gave sufficient notice and worked around any really busy times which worked for me as well as for them.  I didn't have the FU money at first but Big Company's paychecks paved the way to stash that FU money that enabled me to jump the Big Company ship years later.

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« Reply #3069 on: May 29, 2020, 04:50:25 PM »
It will put me on some list the director keeps of 40.0s (people that dont give free OT to the company)

When I signed on with the company, they agreed to pay me $x/yr for 40hr/week.  If they want 40+, they can pay me $x+.  But it really should be a bit of give and take.  If there is an emergency, I will work extra.  Then when I need to go to the doc or some other errand, I expect to not have to use PTO.
Yup

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« Reply #3070 on: May 29, 2020, 04:56:34 PM »
My last pre-FIRE company was based in the fine state of Georgia. They tried to institute a use-it-or-lose-it vacation policy. I noped the fuck out on them, pointing out that I was their person in CA, and in CA, that's not legal, and they had to follow CA rules for CA employees. I made a lot of new CA friends when the company finally wised up. Later, one of these friends was let go after many years of excellent performance. I think his downfall was that he made his job look too easy, he was that good. During the severance negotiations, he said, "And of course, you will be paying me all of my back vacation pay..." "What?" they cried. Yup, in CA, the onus is on the employer to keep track of all vacation monies owed. We were part of a company that had been purchased and absorbed by the current parent company. Nobody kept any records back then. If you took time off, you just told your boss and arranged for someone to cover you. There were no official records. My friend got quite a nice severance package in the end. Serves those fuckers right.

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« Reply #3071 on: May 30, 2020, 11:14:14 AM »
If a benefit is provided to me I am going to use it. I see many people barely use their time off, set up imaginary hurdles afraid of consequences. FU money helps not giving shit.

When I was at the Big Company there were tons of people who would not use their time off to the point they would lose the time and this was when the vacation time was allowed to accrue up to a couple of years and they still lost it.  One time I mentioned I was going on vacation and coworker said "Really?  That's not the Big Company way"  and my response was "Big Company gives me these benefits and I am going to use them".   Big Company's benefits were generous and no way was I not using them.

Incidentally I never had a problem requesting vacation time, I always gave sufficient notice and worked around any really busy times which worked for me as well as for them.  I didn't have the FU money at first but Big Company's paychecks paved the way to stash that FU money that enabled me to jump the Big Company ship years later.

Pfft to the Big Company way. Any Big Company that has an official "Way" is to be avoided at all costs.

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« Reply #3072 on: May 30, 2020, 12:36:59 PM »
If a benefit is provided to me I am going to use it. I see many people barely use their time off, set up imaginary hurdles afraid of consequences. FU money helps not giving shit.

When I was at the Big Company there were tons of people who would not use their time off to the point they would lose the time and this was when the vacation time was allowed to accrue up to a couple of years and they still lost it.  One time I mentioned I was going on vacation and coworker said "Really?  That's not the Big Company way"  and my response was "Big Company gives me these benefits and I am going to use them".   Big Company's benefits were generous and no way was I not using them.

Incidentally I never had a problem requesting vacation time, I always gave sufficient notice and worked around any really busy times which worked for me as well as for them.  I didn't have the FU money at first but Big Company's paychecks paved the way to stash that FU money that enabled me to jump the Big Company ship years later.

Pfft to the Big Company way. Any Big Company that has an official "Way" is to be avoided at all costs.

And they deserve a union to deal with as a bonus.

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« Reply #3073 on: May 30, 2020, 12:45:09 PM »
If a benefit is provided to me I am going to use it. I see many people barely use their time off, set up imaginary hurdles afraid of consequences. FU money helps not giving shit.

When I was at the Big Company there were tons of people who would not use their time off to the point they would lose the time and this was when the vacation time was allowed to accrue up to a couple of years and they still lost it.  One time I mentioned I was going on vacation and coworker said "Really?  That's not the Big Company way"  and my response was "Big Company gives me these benefits and I am going to use them".   Big Company's benefits were generous and no way was I not using them.

Incidentally I never had a problem requesting vacation time, I always gave sufficient notice and worked around any really busy times which worked for me as well as for them.  I didn't have the FU money at first but Big Company's paychecks paved the way to stash that FU money that enabled me to jump the Big Company ship years later.

Here you get a talk with your manager if you haven't set your vacation time wishes before a specific date. My manager asked if I didn't want to have vacation because I had not set the dates for the summer. I had just been postponing as I don't know how the travel restrictions will be for the summer.

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« Reply #3074 on: May 31, 2020, 07:23:08 AM »
Been enjoying all these stories. It's interesting to hear the covid related stories. My little brother works as installer. His company didn't shut down though seems dubious that they were essential. He took a month off with annual leave and unpaid leave but his management was really putting pressure for him to come back so he's working since end of April/beginning of may. There have been individual jobs where he has shown up, multiple people working in an enclosed place, masks around their neck and he calls the client and let's them know the install will need to be rescheduled. They are not happy, but it seems if clients and bosses don't care about unsafe situations the employee needs to speak up.
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« Reply #3075 on: May 31, 2020, 07:52:34 AM »
I had 2 f you situations in my life. One where I was just out of college doing an interesting demanding job and it was a great learning opportunity. Being one of two people running clinical trials for a drs office.  At one point I flew down to be trained and kick off (one of main studies I was coordinating was being expanded to multiple sites,to meet the entire team). I also helped design the data collection forms and be a resource for the rest of the team. Anyways the company vp that was sponsoring the study lets me and new hires know that they are paying our Drs offices x (11 k more than I was getting) for our salary, or to relieve us of any other duties (only supposed to do that study) and if not getting that money, let him personally know. I didn't care about getting full amount (it seemed like so much money!), and I was still happy to help the office in other duties but thought I could use it to negotiate a raise. When I return from trip the manager puts me off, says can't talk about compensation except at annual time (6 months from then) so I wait. Before the annual performance reviews there's a general meeting explaining bc of Medicare changes they will not be bringing in as much and everyone should not expect any raise this year. I go into meeting, he says the same thing, bla bla and I say this doesn't apply to me because company a is funding my salary. And what they told us. And I say what would be fair is a 4k raise and Im ok continuing my other duties as well (because I knew I could handle the workload). And the middle-aged manager blows up "that's bullshit! I don't know what you heard but you heard wrong".  And says 5% raise, take it or leave it. Anyways I was flabbergasted that he called me a liar to my face. So I sat on it a week, and met with him and said "I thought about your offer and I'm going to leave it." And then he was upset (his face turned pale). Anyways in my one week notice time I get a personal call from the VP of the company asking me to stay, offering more than I asked for. At that point though I had made up my mind to leave. Other issue they wanted me to agree to stay on for the duration of the trial (2-3 years) and I knew I was applying to grad school the following year and couldn't do that.  I did hear from the grapevine that the manager got in trouble because that's when the company realized they were pocketing the money. I don't feel bad at all because he handled the situation terribly.  I'm actually a pretty risk averse person. But it was the principle of the thing.
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« Reply #3076 on: May 31, 2020, 01:55:12 PM »
...I really like my employer. Great boss, great colleagues, fun job, good money. Even the higher-ups are genuinely decent people.

But...

Honestly, this unit was the reason I joined the company in the first place. If it's dissolved, I don't want to remain here.

I was honest with my boss today and said that if our team was dissolved, I wouldn't stay - not as an ultimatum, but so that she isn't blindsided if/when I quit. She's been struggling to keep us together and I hate to lay more pressure on her, but yeah...I'm quite discouraged by how this is going.
.......
If you haven't already, try to spin this to the boss as backing her play to keep the team together.
She can say, if you split the team up, the former parts of the team won't be there to pick up the pieces.

I'm reasonably confident that a boss I had played this card.  SemiBigCorp HQ Question : How many of the 15 very core people would move to SemiBigCorp HQ?  Boss answer:  maybe one :-)
SemiBigCorp HQ: well we guess you can stay at current location.

My boss plays the politics game much better than I so I'm sure she'll use this as ammunition when the time comes. I've been her semi-official second-in-command since I started here and have the most technical experience. The rest of our team are mostly junior employees, so me leaving would be unpleasant for the company. I don't think they'd make us a department just to keep me, but it might tip the scales a little.

I don't know if the others would leave. The juniors would likely stay because all in all, this is a better company than most for someone fresh out of college. Dissolving the team would be pretty much a demotion for the rest of us.

It's nice to know that I don't have to swallow that indignity even if I'd be sad about quitting.

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« Reply #3077 on: June 01, 2020, 11:00:24 AM »
My last pre-FIRE company was based in the fine state of Georgia. They tried to institute a use-it-or-lose-it vacation policy. I noped the fuck out on them, pointing out that I was their person in CA, and in CA, that's not legal, and they had to follow CA rules for CA employees. I made a lot of new CA friends when the company finally wised up. Later, one of these friends was let go after many years of excellent performance. I think his downfall was that he made his job look too easy, he was that good. During the severance negotiations, he said, "And of course, you will be paying me all of my back vacation pay..." "What?" they cried. Yup, in CA, the onus is on the employer to keep track of all vacation monies owed. We were part of a company that had been purchased and absorbed by the current parent company. Nobody kept any records back then. If you took time off, you just told your boss and arranged for someone to cover you. There were no official records. My friend got quite a nice severance package in the end. Serves those fuckers right.
This sounds familiar.  Long ago and far away, my CA company was acquired by a company in NC.  The NC company had a use-it-or-lose-it policy.  Our HR informed them of CA law.

So, they couldn't do that with us.  Eventually, they adjusted the vacation policy a few times.  They allowed people in NC to "carry over" 40 hours (basically, otherwise everyone was taking vacation in June before the July FY start).  They instituted a "cap" on everyone, where you would not accrue more hours.  I never got close to that cap.

Sometimes, I liken various company cultures to an abusive boyfriend or marriage.  They make you thing that there is something wrong with you, but you are afraid to leave.  My group at that company was fine, actually.  I trained my boss early on with my policy of "I will work extra when needed, but I will not do it just because.  And, if I end up working overtime for 3 weeks straight and need time off, I WILL NOT take vacation.  This is a 2 way street buddy."

Note, this was not the norm in the other part of the company.  They were hard core.  My best friend would tell me about how she'd be putting in 100+ hours in 2 weeks, and by Friday wanted to take a few hours off for an appointment or to go play with her nieces, and her boss would have her take vacation when she asked.  It took a few years, but I told her "you know, the online timecard system does not care when you work.  As long as it says >80 hours in a 2 week period, you get paid.  Your boss isn't looking that closely, and you are salaried."

Years later, I ended up working with a guy from HQ.  This is how hard core HQ was in that group that my friend was in.  They referred to us as something like "COMPANYX Beach division".  Because most people at our office worked 45-50 hours, not 60-75+ hours a week, we were considered slackers.

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« Reply #3078 on: June 02, 2020, 06:01:25 AM »
My company just instituted early out every Friday.  We can leave at 1 if we have 40 hours in, and OT is strongly discouraged.  I love it!

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« Reply #3079 on: June 02, 2020, 06:40:33 AM »
My company just instituted early out every Friday.  We can leave at 1 if we have 40 hours in, and OT is strongly discouraged.  I love it!
Enjoy it!

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« Reply #3080 on: June 02, 2020, 10:03:35 AM »
I hadn't been thinking of this as a FU story, but @partgypsy made me realize my current situation probably is.  At the start of Covid, the DH's company sent out a lawyer-ed up letter outlining the precautions all public facing employees MUST take.  Letter in hand, DH went to his manager to request the disposable masks, hand sanitizer, gloves and cleaning sprays clearly listed as requirements to perform his job.  His manager replied that the company would not be providing anything on the list.  It was DH's responsibility to source, pay for and consistently utilize the required safety equipment.  The DH quit the next day with my blessing. 

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  The manager can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that 1) we had't applied for unemployment assistance (he quit, we knew he wouldn't qualify) and 2) that he wasn't ready and willing to beg for his job back after 6+ weeks without a paycheck.  The DH is enjoying himself at home and we're considering this experience to be a pre-FIRE smoke break.

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« Reply #3081 on: June 02, 2020, 10:36:24 AM »
I hadn't been thinking of this as a FU story, but @partgypsy made me realize my current situation probably is.  At the start of Covid, the DH's company sent out a lawyer-ed up letter outlining the precautions all public facing employees MUST take.  Letter in hand, DH went to his manager to request the disposable masks, hand sanitizer, gloves and cleaning sprays clearly listed as requirements to perform his job.  His manager replied that the company would not be providing anything on the list.  It was DH's responsibility to source, pay for and consistently utilize the required safety equipment.  The DH quit the next day with my blessing. 

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  The manager can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that 1) we had't applied for unemployment assistance (he quit, we knew he wouldn't qualify) and 2) that he wasn't ready and willing to beg for his job back after 6+ weeks without a paycheck.  The DH is enjoying himself at home and we're considering this experience to be a pre-FIRE smoke break.
This is pretty glorious.

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« Reply #3082 on: June 02, 2020, 10:47:25 AM »
I hadn't been thinking of this as a FU story, but @partgypsy made me realize my current situation probably is.  At the start of Covid, the DH's company sent out a lawyer-ed up letter outlining the precautions all public facing employees MUST take.  Letter in hand, DH went to his manager to request the disposable masks, hand sanitizer, gloves and cleaning sprays clearly listed as requirements to perform his job.  His manager replied that the company would not be providing anything on the list.  It was DH's responsibility to source, pay for and consistently utilize the required safety equipment.  The DH quit the next day with my blessing. 

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  The manager can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that 1) we had't applied for unemployment assistance (he quit, we knew he wouldn't qualify) and 2) that he wasn't ready and willing to beg for his job back after 6+ weeks without a paycheck.  The DH is enjoying himself at home and we're considering this experience to be a pre-FIRE smoke break.

What a fun story!

Wait, it could have also saved your lives. Now that's epic.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3083 on: June 02, 2020, 11:59:29 AM »
I hadn't been thinking of this as a FU story, but @partgypsy made me realize my current situation probably is.  At the start of Covid, the DH's company sent out a lawyer-ed up letter outlining the precautions all public facing employees MUST take.  Letter in hand, DH went to his manager to request the disposable masks, hand sanitizer, gloves and cleaning sprays clearly listed as requirements to perform his job.  His manager replied that the company would not be providing anything on the list.  It was DH's responsibility to source, pay for and consistently utilize the required safety equipment.  The DH quit the next day with my blessing. 

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  The manager can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that 1) we had't applied for unemployment assistance (he quit, we knew he wouldn't qualify) and 2) that he wasn't ready and willing to beg for his job back after 6+ weeks without a paycheck.  The DH is enjoying himself at home and we're considering this experience to be a pre-FIRE smoke break.

A+. Excellent.

I mean, it's unfortunate that you had to pull the trigger on this, but great to feel secure enough that you can.

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« Reply #3084 on: June 02, 2020, 12:25:40 PM »
I hadn't been thinking of this as a FU story, but @partgypsy made me realize my current situation probably is.  At the start of Covid, the DH's company sent out a lawyer-ed up letter outlining the precautions all public facing employees MUST take.  Letter in hand, DH went to his manager to request the disposable masks, hand sanitizer, gloves and cleaning sprays clearly listed as requirements to perform his job.  His manager replied that the company would not be providing anything on the list.  It was DH's responsibility to source, pay for and consistently utilize the required safety equipment.  The DH quit the next day with my blessing. 

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  The manager can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that 1) we had't applied for unemployment assistance (he quit, we knew he wouldn't qualify) and 2) that he wasn't ready and willing to beg for his job back after 6+ weeks without a paycheck.  The DH is enjoying himself at home and we're considering this experience to be a pre-FIRE smoke break.

What a fun story!

Wait, it could have also saved your lives. Now that's epic.
Epic indeed!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3085 on: June 02, 2020, 01:17:30 PM »
I hadn't been thinking of this as a FU story, but @partgypsy made me realize my current situation probably is.  At the start of Covid, the DH's company sent out a lawyer-ed up letter outlining the precautions all public facing employees MUST take.  Letter in hand, DH went to his manager to request the disposable masks, hand sanitizer, gloves and cleaning sprays clearly listed as requirements to perform his job.  His manager replied that the company would not be providing anything on the list.  It was DH's responsibility to source, pay for and consistently utilize the required safety equipment.  The DH quit the next day with my blessing. 

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  The manager can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that 1) we had't applied for unemployment assistance (he quit, we knew he wouldn't qualify) and 2) that he wasn't ready and willing to beg for his job back after 6+ weeks without a paycheck.  The DH is enjoying himself at home and we're considering this experience to be a pre-FIRE smoke break.

Sounds like a great exit.

Any reason you didn't contact the state labor board? Mandating employees buy their own cleaning supplies and PPE for on-the-job use doesn't sound legal.

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« Reply #3086 on: June 02, 2020, 01:31:28 PM »
I hadn't been thinking of this as a FU story, but @partgypsy made me realize my current situation probably is.  At the start of Covid, the DH's company sent out a lawyer-ed up letter outlining the precautions all public facing employees MUST take.  Letter in hand, DH went to his manager to request the disposable masks, hand sanitizer, gloves and cleaning sprays clearly listed as requirements to perform his job.  His manager replied that the company would not be providing anything on the list.  It was DH's responsibility to source, pay for and consistently utilize the required safety equipment.  The DH quit the next day with my blessing. 

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  The manager can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that 1) we had't applied for unemployment assistance (he quit, we knew he wouldn't qualify) and 2) that he wasn't ready and willing to beg for his job back after 6+ weeks without a paycheck.  The DH is enjoying himself at home and we're considering this experience to be a pre-FIRE smoke break.

Sounds like a great exit.

Any reason you didn't contact the state labor board? Mandating employees buy their own cleaning supplies and PPE for on-the-job use doesn't sound legal.

The company has just enough wiggle room in the fact that they claimed they couldn't provide the supplies because everything was back ordered.  If DH wanted to keep his job he had to provide his own PPE or work without.  If he worked without, the company can deny responsibility for on-the-job exposure (you didn't follow our clearly stated requirements).  If he provided his own, the company can deny responsibility for same on-the-job exposure (you shouldn't have come to work).  Either way, the company was blaming suppliers on day one for the company's lack of planning.  We don't know if any supplies ever did appear, but through the grapevine we know that several customers the DH would have had contact with during those 6+ weeks have gotten sick.  Some were tested (results unreliable through grapevine) and some were just very, very sick.
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« Reply #3087 on: June 02, 2020, 03:05:21 PM »
I...

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  ...

I had a fairly shaky supplier who tried to get me to order her contractors to work for her and to tell them that unless they worked for her, there was no work for them.  It was important, she advised, because she was going to be taking 6 weeks off, self-finding.  I told her, "13th amendment, Jeannie."  That your husband's company would require PPE it would not furnish, and is now demanding he return to work, well, SWWAL, what monstrous, palpable, insufferable unconstitutional arrogance.   

One of the better posts on one of my favorite forum topics. 

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« Reply #3088 on: June 02, 2020, 04:30:36 PM »
I am really enjoying reading these stories! 

It reminds me of my grandfather - when he first starting working at a factory (this was probably around the late 1930s) the work day started at 8am.  Every day the boss would come out at 8am, lock the gates and not open them again until 8.30am.  Thus if you were one minute late, you weren't able to enter until 8.30am and half an hour of your wages would be docked from your pay.

After many months of arriving early and working hard, one morning my grandfather had a puncture on his bike and was a few minutes late.  The boss locked him out - my grandfather simply biked away, never to return! 

He got another job the same day.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3089 on: June 02, 2020, 04:36:11 PM »
Awesome story @Hayden. Welcome!

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« Reply #3090 on: June 03, 2020, 05:03:14 AM »
I am really enjoying reading these stories! 

It reminds me of my grandfather - when he first starting working at a factory (this was probably around the late 1930s) the work day started at 8am.  Every day the boss would come out at 8am, lock the gates and not open them again until 8.30am.  Thus if you were one minute late, you weren't able to enter until 8.30am and half an hour of your wages would be docked from your pay.

After many months of arriving early and working hard, one morning my grandfather had a puncture on his bike and was a few minutes late.  The boss locked him out - my grandfather simply biked away, never to return! 

He got another job the same day.

the boss doesn't seem like he's working too hard taking time out to lock the gate and unlock the gate all the time....

If it takes him 5 minutes to lock, and 5 to unlock (by the time he gets back to his desk), then 10 minutes a day, 50 a week = 40 hours a year just spent locking and unlocking gates.

That doesn't sound like a value add productive exercise...

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« Reply #3091 on: June 03, 2020, 06:23:31 AM »
Props to your grandfather for biking to work. I just got done watching the episode of "The Office" where Jim is trying out biking to work, and winds up so drunk that he cannot bike home safely.

Talk about a show that makes you admire these Epic FU stories!

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« Reply #3092 on: June 03, 2020, 06:46:34 AM »
I hadn't been thinking of this as a FU story, but @partgypsy made me realize my current situation probably is.  At the start of Covid, the DH's company sent out a lawyer-ed up letter outlining the precautions all public facing employees MUST take.  Letter in hand, DH went to his manager to request the disposable masks, hand sanitizer, gloves and cleaning sprays clearly listed as requirements to perform his job.  His manager replied that the company would not be providing anything on the list.  It was DH's responsibility to source, pay for and consistently utilize the required safety equipment.  The DH quit the next day with my blessing. 

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  The manager can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that 1) we had't applied for unemployment assistance (he quit, we knew he wouldn't qualify) and 2) that he wasn't ready and willing to beg for his job back after 6+ weeks without a paycheck.  The DH is enjoying himself at home and we're considering this experience to be a pre-FIRE smoke break.

This is why I love this thread! Great story and the right call. This is exactly what FU money is for.

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« Reply #3093 on: June 03, 2020, 07:43:05 AM »
I hadn't been thinking of this as a FU story, but @partgypsy made me realize my current situation probably is.  At the start of Covid, the DH's company sent out a lawyer-ed up letter outlining the precautions all public facing employees MUST take.  Letter in hand, DH went to his manager to request the disposable masks, hand sanitizer, gloves and cleaning sprays clearly listed as requirements to perform his job.  His manager replied that the company would not be providing anything on the list.  It was DH's responsibility to source, pay for and consistently utilize the required safety equipment.  The DH quit the next day with my blessing. 

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  The manager can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that 1) we had't applied for unemployment assistance (he quit, we knew he wouldn't qualify) and 2) that he wasn't ready and willing to beg for his job back after 6+ weeks without a paycheck.  The DH is enjoying himself at home and we're considering this experience to be a pre-FIRE smoke break.

"pre-FIRE smoke break"...I love it!

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« Reply #3094 on: June 03, 2020, 08:07:19 AM »
 It's a thing. I believe @couponvan is our longest running chain smoker smoke breaker.

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« Reply #3095 on: June 03, 2020, 11:42:40 AM »
I had a fuck you moment with my boss today. I was supposed to take the notes today at the company annual meeting and a board meeting. Yesterday, I realised that they had made a procedural mistake in the process as a result of that the meeting was made digital due to Corona. The rules that guide the annual meetings are really strict and if you donít follow them it can make the decisions  invalid. I found it out accidentally so I outlined the problem to my boss at a meeting yesterday but she didnít see it as a problem.

I could not let it go so I spent some more time doing research and  half of the night thinking about it and came to the conclusion that I could not go to the meeting and pretend everything is ok. There is a point in the meeting agenda were the ask if the board has invited everyone correctly..  I talked to another lawyer this morning and we found a way to do it so it would tick all the legal boxes by changing the setup. My boss had a talk with the chairman of the board that is formally responsible for the meeting and they had decided to proceed in a way that partly hides the problem. Their solution could have solved the problem if they had documented the decision but it would have forced them to admit the mistake. Her concluding remark was that the chairman had decided that they would do like that.

So i told her that I could not take the notes as I could not sit there and pretend that everything is ok from a legal point of view. I told her that it would feel wrong and unethical. I suggested that a colleague could jump in and take the notes if it was ok to her.

 She hates to admit mistakes and look bad in front of the board but she also says she canít stand when people lie. I donít understand how she explains this to herself. The funny thing is that we had a workshop about conflictsolving and resolution yesterday before this shit blew up. I could conclude to a colleague today that we had a conflict of values.

She avoided everybody after the meetings today so it will be interesting to see her approach tomorrow. Legally she canít fire me and I would guess she didnít want this to blow up in her face so I am not worried about losing my job. She doesnít like conflicts so my guess is we will have a talk and then she will pretend that this never happaned. Me, I am pretty tired already after 7 months at this place so I am pretty much prepared to leave after my three months long notice with a bullshit reason. I have been thinking about starting my own law practice but within a years time when I have more money saved. I have money for a year without a salary. It is in stocks and cash but it is difficult to predict what the effects will be of this current Corona-crisis. I could probably find a new job without problems but I am tired of corporate bs and bosses and would prefer to be my own.

Edited to make it less rambling.
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« Reply #3096 on: June 03, 2020, 08:16:37 PM »
I hadn't been thinking of this as a FU story, but @partgypsy made me realize my current situation probably is.  At the start of Covid, the DH's company sent out a lawyer-ed up letter outlining the precautions all public facing employees MUST take.  Letter in hand, DH went to his manager to request the disposable masks, hand sanitizer, gloves and cleaning sprays clearly listed as requirements to perform his job.  His manager replied that the company would not be providing anything on the list.  It was DH's responsibility to source, pay for and consistently utilize the required safety equipment.  The DH quit the next day with my blessing. 

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  The manager can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that 1) we had't applied for unemployment assistance (he quit, we knew he wouldn't qualify) and 2) that he wasn't ready and willing to beg for his job back after 6+ weeks without a paycheck.  The DH is enjoying himself at home and we're considering this experience to be a pre-FIRE smoke break.
I just read this to DH and he's pretty adamant that you could file and be approved under the circumstances. Might be worth looking into.

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« Reply #3097 on: June 04, 2020, 04:20:10 AM »
I had a fuck you moment with my boss today. I was supposed to take the notes today at the company annual meeting and a board meeting. Yesterday, I realised that they had made a procedural mistake in the process as a result of that the meeting was made digital due to Corona. The rules that guide the annual meetings are really strict and if you donít follow them it can make the decisions  invalid. I found it out accidentally so I outlined the problem to my boss at a meeting yesterday but she didnít see it as a problem.

I could not let it go so I spent some more time doing research and  half of the night thinking about it and came to the conclusion that I could not go to the meeting and pretend everything is ok. There is a point in the meeting agenda were the ask if the board has invited everyone correctly..  I talked to another lawyer this morning and we found a way to do it so it would tick all the legal boxes by changing the setup. My boss had a talk with the chairman of the board that is formally responsible for the meeting and they had decided to proceed in a way that partly hides the problem. Their solution could have solved the problem if they had documented the decision but it would have forced them to admit the mistake. Her concluding remark was that the chairman had decided that they would do like that.

So i told her that I could not take the notes as I could not sit there and pretend that everything is ok from a legal point of view. I told her that it would feel wrong and unethical. I suggested that a colleague could jump in and take the notes if it was ok to her.

 She hates to admit mistakes and look bad in front of the board but she also says she canít stand when people lie. I donít understand how she explains this to herself. The funny thing is that we had a workshop about conflictsolving and resolution yesterday before this shit blew up. I could conclude to a colleague today that we had a conflict of values.

She avoided everybody after the meetings today so it will be interesting to see her approach tomorrow. Legally she canít fire me and I would guess she didnít want this to blow up in her face so I am not worried about losing my job. She doesnít like conflicts so my guess is we will have a talk and then she will pretend that this never happaned. Me, I am pretty tired already after 7 months at this place so I am pretty much prepared to leave after my three months long notice with a bullshit reason. I have been thinking about starting my own law practice but within a years time when I have more money saved. I have money for a year without a salary. It is in stocks and cash but it is difficult to predict what the effects will be of this current Corona-crisis. I could probably find a new job without problems but I am tired of corporate bs and bosses and would prefer to be my own.

Edited to make it less rambling.

Always good to take actions that help you sleep at night.   I'm glad you have options to carry you on the the next job if this doesn't work out.

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« Reply #3098 on: June 04, 2020, 07:56:48 AM »
I hadn't been thinking of this as a FU story, but @partgypsy made me realize my current situation probably is.  At the start of Covid, the DH's company sent out a lawyer-ed up letter outlining the precautions all public facing employees MUST take.  Letter in hand, DH went to his manager to request the disposable masks, hand sanitizer, gloves and cleaning sprays clearly listed as requirements to perform his job.  His manager replied that the company would not be providing anything on the list.  It was DH's responsibility to source, pay for and consistently utilize the required safety equipment.  The DH quit the next day with my blessing. 

Now that the state and local shelter in place orders are being loosened, the manager has been in touch (repeatedly) demanding DH return to his post.  The manager can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that 1) we had't applied for unemployment assistance (he quit, we knew he wouldn't qualify) and 2) that he wasn't ready and willing to beg for his job back after 6+ weeks without a paycheck.  The DH is enjoying himself at home and we're considering this experience to be a pre-FIRE smoke break.
I just read this to DH and he's pretty adamant that you could file and be approved under the circumstances. Might be worth looking into.

We're in North Carolina where unemployment benefits are punitive rather than compensatory.  Under normal circumstances, quitting (regardless of reason) is an instant disqualification for benefits (and you have to be fired in very specific ways or you wont qualify if you get fired either.)  There are new Covid-19 exceptions that allow you to quit and claim, but you pretty much have to have an active diagnosis or live with someone with an active diagnosis or you don't qualify.  For us, its not worth the weekly hassle (even sick you still have to provide proof you're looking for work - from your hospital bed presumably).

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« Reply #3099 on: June 04, 2020, 08:03:56 AM »

It will put me on some list the director keeps of 40.0s (people that dont give free OT to the company)


I am not familiar with this term 40.0s.  Is there a phonetic way of saying this that means something?  Does this mean the director keeps a list of forty people that are considered to be zeroes?