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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2900 on: October 13, 2019, 09:21:42 AM »
@alcon835 A wonderfully inspiring story! Since I work in software too, I know that good security people are really hard to find so I'm very happy that you're now getting paid what you're worth.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2901 on: October 13, 2019, 10:04:08 AM »
@alcon835 Excellent!!!

I have seen that as well-  an example was when I promoted a sharp field technician onto my Specialists' group.  I needed to bring him up to my group's salary level which required a 14% raise to move him from where he was.  Because it was more than a 9% raise it meant I had to get a senior VP signature to make it happen.  The asshole VP actually pushed back!  I pointed out that the field tech was going from an hourly position with overtime benefits to a salaried position with unpaid overtime, so in fact his W-2 will most likely end up actually a bit lighter at first as he gets his feet under him.  The attraction of the job was a higher earnings ceiling, no union to deal with, and immense flexibility.  We were the Varsity Squad and he could move up from JV by doing this and the salary and potential of the job reflected this.  The Vice President still pissed and moaned and wanted the guy capped at 9% increase. 

I pointed out (because for some reason these dorks making $300K per year running large sections of a multi-national corporation simply don't get it) that if I hired some nobody from off the street I would have to pay them the higher amount.  They would come with zero company-specific business acumen, loyalty, etc. and there was no guarantee they would work out for the long term.  Still got push back and it took a few more weeks of crap to resolve it.   

Finally the VP relented but it was lesson #43 for me about why that company is absolutely MegaCorpSucks.   
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« Reply #2902 on: October 13, 2019, 10:23:03 AM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2903 on: October 13, 2019, 10:23:49 AM »
Many years ago I was manager of programming for the US for a multinational corporation.   I had seriously trained up our programmers and analysts.  We got really impressive results with very few people.   95% of our resources went to new functionality and only 5% had to be used on fixing mistakes or poorly done work.  Industry standards at the time were fairly close to the opposite of that.

Management didn't want to increase their pay "because we've already done the budget for the year".  So we waited until the next budget cycle and -- surprise -- no raise.    Within 6 months the department was gutted because most left for significantly more money elsewhere.  (I got a 30% raise right off.)

I got word a few years later that the US corporate president had (too late) realized what a treasure he had in our department and was bemoaning that he was never going to get that kind of IT department again.

It was nice to be missed but much better to be well paid. :)

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2904 on: October 13, 2019, 12:23:56 PM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

Maybe they were tired of him making them look bad.

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« Reply #2905 on: October 14, 2019, 12:14:22 PM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

Insane, but true.

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I pointed out (because for some reason these dorks making $300K per year running large sections of a multi-national corporation simply don't get it) that if I hired some nobody from off the street I would have to pay them the higher amount.  They would come with zero company-specific business acumen, loyalty, etc. and there was no guarantee they would work out for the long term.  Still got push back and it took a few more weeks of crap to resolve it.   

Lordy, I had a long hard fight for two of my people years ago...they were going from hourly to salary, and bigboss kept offering $43k, then $50k.  THEY MAKE $51K WITH OVERTIME DUDE.  They were going from tech to engineering (hourly to salary).

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« Reply #2906 on: October 14, 2019, 02:49:35 PM »
I'm so excited to have one of my first FU money experiences today! It's little, but mighty.

I am a designer and this weekend (Ugh - weekend. Strike one.) I had a client contact me about a job. The last line of her e-mail, verbatim, was "if you're interested, I can explain exactly what we need on a very tight timeline and even tighter budget." Gawd, what a horrible proposition!

Of course there are a few reasons to consider a job like that... if it's an important client or could lead to other, better jobs, etc. But that didn't apply here. In past years, I would have had to take the job because I needed the money, period. Now I'm able to discriminate, and I kind of feel like throwing myself a party because it's so awesome. Three cheers for being able to take a pass on the crappy assignments of life!!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2907 on: October 14, 2019, 03:22:02 PM »
I'm so excited to have one of my first FU money experiences today! It's little, but mighty.

I am a designer and this weekend (Ugh - weekend. Strike one.) I had a client contact me about a job. The last line of her e-mail, verbatim, was "if you're interested, I can explain exactly what we need on a very tight timeline and even tighter budget." Gawd, what a horrible proposition!

Of course there are a few reasons to consider a job like that... if it's an important client or could lead to other, better jobs, etc. But that didn't apply here. In past years, I would have had to take the job because I needed the money, period. Now I'm able to discriminate, and I kind of feel like throwing myself a party because it's so awesome. Three cheers for being able to take a pass on the crappy assignments of life!!

Well done!  Often times you will come out ahead by not taking a crappy job.

Flip side, at least they have a budget and they didn't offer to pay you in "exposure" on their 100 follower instagram.  :)

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« Reply #2908 on: October 15, 2019, 08:45:38 AM »
I'm so excited to have one of my first FU money experiences today! It's little, but mighty.

I am a designer and this weekend (Ugh - weekend. Strike one.) I had a client contact me about a job. The last line of her e-mail, verbatim, was "if you're interested, I can explain exactly what we need on a very tight timeline and even tighter budget." Gawd, what a horrible proposition!

Of course there are a few reasons to consider a job like that... if it's an important client or could lead to other, better jobs, etc. But that didn't apply here. In past years, I would have had to take the job because I needed the money, period. Now I'm able to discriminate, and I kind of feel like throwing myself a party because it's so awesome. Three cheers for being able to take a pass on the crappy assignments of life!!

Congratulations on dodging that bullet!!  Fingers crossed if that customer ever contacts you again they do it earlier, with more money and greater respect for your skill set. - Saying no can often teach a client you're worth it.

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« Reply #2909 on: October 15, 2019, 11:11:51 AM »
I'm so excited to have one of my first FU money experiences today! It's little, but mighty.

I am a designer and this weekend (Ugh - weekend. Strike one.) I had a client contact me about a job. The last line of her e-mail, verbatim, was "if you're interested, I can explain exactly what we need on a very tight timeline and even tighter budget." Gawd, what a horrible proposition!

Of course there are a few reasons to consider a job like that... if it's an important client or could lead to other, better jobs, etc. But that didn't apply here. In past years, I would have had to take the job because I needed the money, period. Now I'm able to discriminate, and I kind of feel like throwing myself a party because it's so awesome. Three cheers for being able to take a pass on the crappy assignments of life!!
I prob would have asked how tight the budget was (maybe you did?) One person's tight budget is another person's flush one.

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« Reply #2910 on: October 15, 2019, 12:44:35 PM »
I work at an amazing organization now and in a management role where I've been able to right size salaries and bring people up to where they should be in the industry. I am loving what I do every day and my emergency fund means I can FU if anything ever changes. It's a great place to be!

Good for you man, that's an awesome outcome.

The lesson here is: people will get away with whatever you let them get away with, so know your worth, and re-educate yourself from time to time so you're always in the know.

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« Reply #2911 on: October 16, 2019, 10:37:37 PM »
I'm so excited to have one of my first FU money experiences today! It's little, but mighty.

I am a designer and this weekend (Ugh - weekend. Strike one.) I had a client contact me about a job. The last line of her e-mail, verbatim, was "if you're interested, I can explain exactly what we need on a very tight timeline and even tighter budget." Gawd, what a horrible proposition!

Of course there are a few reasons to consider a job like that... if it's an important client or could lead to other, better jobs, etc. But that didn't apply here. In past years, I would have had to take the job because I needed the money, period. Now I'm able to discriminate, and I kind of feel like throwing myself a party because it's so awesome. Three cheers for being able to take a pass on the crappy assignments of life!!
Hip hip hurray!
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« Reply #2912 on: October 19, 2019, 05:27:15 PM »
I can honestly say that this thread has changed my entire life for the better over the past year. It's amazing to me how much life improvement one can get just by being able to say NO to unreasonable work demands.  I'm not FIREd yet, but I'm close enough that I've already started acting like it when it comes to work assignments. Here are some of the things I've done in the past year. Some might not consider them epic, but they are epic to me.

A background, I have been in some form of IT Consulting for over 25 years. For at least half that time, I've traveled 75-100% to work on projects at customer sites. When I was young and single, all of the traveling was great!  Now that I'm older and married, it became a tedious chore.

Over the past 5 years, I have worked and trained very hard to become a certified expert in a particular technology that is very much in-demand right now. My previous job was traveling 100% doing various projects in this technology for various customers. Some of those customers came from the actual technology company, others came thru the medium-sized consulting firm that I worked for.

As some may know, in IT Consulting, the bill rates can be quite high.  $250-$350/hour is not uncommon.  However, I was only making a fraction of that.  Knowing just what my little slice of the pie was infuriated me constantly.  *I* was the one leaving my family on Sunday afternoon and returning Friday night every week, yet everybody else actually made more money.

Every month the company would give 1 consultant a special bonus for going "above and beyond". There was one other consultant and I who traveled full time, everybody else got to go home to their families every night or worked from home.  Neither of us never got the bonus.  Why?  Because we didn't put in enough extra effort.  They didn't care that we were stuck on planes or at airports 10-20 hours/week.

And on top of that, my manager was constantly trying to get me to do extra work on the side that my company was actually billing for, but I was paid a salary, so no extra money for me.  "You're stuck in a hotel room all week, so you have plenty of time to do this extra work" was his constant excuse. So even though I did a lot of this extra work, I still didn't get nominated for the monthly bonus.

After reading MMM and this thread, assessing how financially stable we actually were, and realizing that with my status as an expert in this high-demand technology, I could easily find another job, I decided to just stop taking all of their sh*t. 

The first step was that I stopped doing all extra work.  At first I just ignored any requests.  When my manager asked for the status of them, I politely but sternly informed him that I was already billing 40 hours/week for the customer, and if he wanted me to do anything else, he needed to figure out a way to pay me extra for it. He gave me a hard time, but I simply told him that if he didn't like it, he could fire me and lose all of the billing revenue that I was bringing in.

I then informed him that my 100% traveling days were over.  Either find me something local to me, or preferably, work-at-home, or another company would.  My company had paid a lot of money to get me trained on this technology, so I gave them 6 months to reduce my travel schedule.  Believe me, they've made 100x as much money from my billings as they ever paid to train me, probably more.

And third, rather than having the internal travel agency book my flights and hotels, I started making my own reservations. They were constantly nickel and diming me on flights/hotels. Making me take cheaper flights at crazy times and putting me up at cheaper hotels very far away from the customer sites.  No more.  When confronted about this, I simply said either I make my own travel reservations, or I don't travel 1 foot outside of my house.

They backed down on everything. My life did improve somewhat, but sure enough, after 6 months, there was absolutely no movement on reducing my travel, so I started looking for a new work-at-home job.  I found it in less than a month and am now writing this post from my desk at my own house.  My commute is 20 feet from Bedroom 1 to Bedroom 3.  :)  My wife is so happy to have me home more, and I got a 20% raise to boot! 

It's amazing how much better your life can get when you just do what's best for you and your family.

I hope others will read this and get some inspiration from it.  FU money is great, but even if you're not quite there yet, having partial FU-money as well as a FU-skillset can go a long way to improving your life. 

Thank you MMM Community for inspiring me to make these much-needed changes!!
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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2913 on: October 19, 2019, 05:31:05 PM »
Great story, @frekwentflier !  You may be due for a new username, though.

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« Reply #2914 on: October 19, 2019, 05:48:14 PM »
... I started looking for a new work-at-home job.  I found it in less than a month and am now writing this post from my desk at my own house.  My commute is 20 feet from Bedroom 1 to Bedroom 3.  :)  My wife is so happy to have me home more, and I got a 20% raise to boot! 

How did you find the work-at-home job?  I haven't had much luck finding reliable opportunities.

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« Reply #2915 on: October 19, 2019, 06:47:52 PM »
That's pretty epic.  I think we forget sometimes that it costs a lot of money to replace a highly skilled worker...$$$$$$

We have more power than we realize.

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« Reply #2916 on: October 19, 2019, 08:10:42 PM »
I can honestly say that this thread has changed my entire life for the better over the past year. It's amazing to me how much life improvement one can get just by being able to say NO to unreasonable work demands.

Great story!  And I agree, learning the concept of FU money has changed my life for the better.  Before, I never knew that it was possible to just say 'no', and to ask for/demand things that others were afraid to.  Doing so doesn't mean you're not still an exceptional employee, it's just establishing boundaries, which ends up being healthy for both sides.

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« Reply #2917 on: October 19, 2019, 08:58:40 PM »
Way to go, @frekwentflier!

Let us know if you change your name to formerfrekwentflier...

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2918 on: October 19, 2019, 09:27:51 PM »
I still fly a lot, but now it's for vacations only.  :) 

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« Reply #2919 on: October 19, 2019, 09:33:42 PM »
... I started looking for a new work-at-home job.  I found it in less than a month and am now writing this post from my desk at my own house.  My commute is 20 feet from Bedroom 1 to Bedroom 3.  :)  My wife is so happy to have me home more, and I got a 20% raise to boot! 

How did you find the work-at-home job?  I haven't had much luck finding reliable opportunities.

Being able to find a work-at-home job very much depends on your choice of career. The technology that I specialize in just happens to be very easy to do remotely. Forward-thinking companies realize that they can save a lot of money on office space, etc. by enabling remote workers. As long as the job gets done, who cares where it's done?

If remote work is important to you, but no such jobs exist in your field, you may want to consider a career change. If you do, I hope it works out for you.

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« Reply #2920 on: October 20, 2019, 03:57:37 AM »
Amazing story! Thank you!

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« Reply #2921 on: October 21, 2019, 09:13:33 AM »
Being able to find a work-at-home job very much depends on your choice of career. The technology that I specialize in just happens to be very easy to do remotely. Forward-thinking companies realize that they can save a lot of money on office space, etc. by enabling remote workers. As long as the job gets done, who cares where it's done?

If remote work is important to you, but no such jobs exist in your field, you may want to consider a career change. If you do, I hope it works out for you.

I'm am IT manager by experience and a full stack developer by skill.  I currently work 100% from home (hundreds of miles from the nearest office!).  I landed the position 10 years ago as a regular employee at our headquarters; work from home was negotiated later.  My job isn't bad, but I feel trapped because I don't know how to find a similar position.

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« Reply #2922 on: October 21, 2019, 10:31:07 AM »
Being able to find a work-at-home job very much depends on your choice of career. The technology that I specialize in just happens to be very easy to do remotely. Forward-thinking companies realize that they can save a lot of money on office space, etc. by enabling remote workers. As long as the job gets done, who cares where it's done?

If remote work is important to you, but no such jobs exist in your field, you may want to consider a career change. If you do, I hope it works out for you.

I'm am IT manager by experience and a full stack developer by skill.  I currently work 100% from home (hundreds of miles from the nearest office!).  I landed the position 10 years ago as a regular employee at our headquarters; work from home was negotiated later.  My job isn't bad, but I feel trapped because I don't know how to find a similar position.
I might as well say that after finding a house that is in a great location for me I feel trapped because I can't find one that's in an even better location.

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« Reply #2923 on: October 21, 2019, 05:15:27 PM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

That is literally telling you to file a wage discrimination suit.

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« Reply #2924 on: October 21, 2019, 07:05:39 PM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

That is literally telling you to file a wage discrimination suit.
Not in the US, unless the context was some form of racial, religious, gender or similar basis for the discrimination.

Just being hired at a lower wage and getting the same % raise as others isn't discrimination under US law.

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« Reply #2925 on: October 21, 2019, 07:45:39 PM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

Maybe they were tired of him making them look bad.

They were pretty shocked and upset that I left and started bad mouthing me - specifically that I asked for a raise. One of my coworkers (still a friend) pointed out that my request was reasonable since I was making significantly more than I'd asked for. They never really had an answer to him on that but started bad mouthing me more.

That guy works for me now :)

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« Reply #2926 on: October 21, 2019, 07:46:53 PM »
I work at an amazing organization now and in a management role where I've been able to right size salaries and bring people up to where they should be in the industry. I am loving what I do every day and my emergency fund means I can FU if anything ever changes. It's a great place to be!

Good for you man, that's an awesome outcome.

The lesson here is: people will get away with whatever you let them get away with, so know your worth, and re-educate yourself from time to time so you're always in the know.

I completely agree!

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« Reply #2927 on: November 04, 2019, 08:44:42 AM »
Six years ago I was able to escape a drama-filled situation working for a small consulting entity within a university to take a new job doing economic forecasting for a public utility.

Today, the data series I spent those years building (it's survey data) has suddenly become the highest priority for our director of accounting. So I'm having to crawl back to people at that old job to see if they'll share the data with me (otherwise we'd have to pay $2,000 in subscription fees). So all you badass people, congrats! As for me, I'm trading some pride to save my manager $2,000.

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« Reply #2928 on: November 04, 2019, 08:48:52 AM »
Good luck, fellow Texan!

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« Reply #2929 on: November 11, 2019, 07:01:17 AM »
Update-
director of accounting really loves the chart I made from these data. So I guess it's all okay.

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« Reply #2930 on: November 12, 2019, 06:12:26 AM »
And on top of that, my manager was constantly trying to get me to do extra work on the side that my company was actually billing for, but I was paid a salary, so no extra money for me.  "You're stuck in a hotel room all week, so you have plenty of time to do this extra work" was his constant excuse.

I used to get this line, too. I did get bonuses, but when I worked out my hourly rate on these extra hours it was still less than minimum wage.

As soon as I could I became an independent contractor. Cut out that middle-man. Never looked back.