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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2850 on: October 11, 2019, 01:10:14 PM »
This thread is so much fun! So here's one of mine...

My first job, working as a cashier at a stop-and-shop quicky mart. I got the job as a junior in high school, paid 15 cents more per hour than minimum wage. Decent manager, the owners showed up to count the cash and sign for deliveries, everything else was on us.

We had pretty good continuity, people stayed typically 12-24 months, with occasional bumps in pay. Pretty laid back, to the point where payroll checks were loaded under the cash drawer every other Friday, and anyone could scan them as they weren't in envelopes.

Well, a new guy had been hired, and I was training him his first week. I was now graduated from HS, and starting at the junior college up the hill. I'd moved out to my own apartment (at age 17!), and was a great employee for them - never sick, always willing to cover for others' absences, never late, good at training. When paychecks came out in New Guys' second week, as I sorted through the stack to get my check, I could see that his hourly rate was higher than mine.

OK, I hadn't asked for a raise for awhile, and surely I was worth it, and I understood that the boss doesn't *have* to pay me more unless I ask...so I do.

The next Saturday morning, the owner was in, and I asked him for a raise. I mentioned that I'd been there now 18 months, was now a college student, and was worth a 50 cent raise (so I'd be making 25 cents more than New Guy). So I would have gone from $3.90/hour to $4.40/hr. Boss says nope.

I ask why I'm being paid less than New Guy. Boss says it's because he does swing shift (3pm-11pm). I remind him that *I* do swing shift, too! And I am worth more. Still nope. Even worse, he dared me - "If you think you're worth more, go find someone else to pay it."

So I go up the hill to the JC's job board for college students, find a listing for a small Mom and Pop copy shop in town (coincidentally, half a mile from my new apartment), and go in person to apply. I am hired on the spot, to start the next day, at $4.75 per hour.

I then ride my badass new scooter (bought two weeks before, paid for in cash, from job savings) to the quicky mart, and tender my immediate resignation (no one ever gave two weeks notice for the cashier/stocking job). He's dumbfounded, and I am delighted. It could only have been more epic if I'd managed it on the holiday weekend a couple of weeks earlier.

That was in 1983, and it still gives me joy to have proven to that old misogynistic assh*le that there were young women who wouldn't put up with his sh*t.

Wow Epic FU story. I would have like to seen his face when he found out you were out of there.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2851 on: October 11, 2019, 01:13:13 PM »
@Sandi_k good one!

That reminds me of a really good one an ex of mine had.  She was working at a family owned produce market.  Really nice market, but the father was a grade A ass.  My ex was a great worker, but refused to kowtow to anyone, so he didn't like her.  When he decided he didn't want someone there anymore, he wouldn't just let them go, because he might have to pay unemployment, so he would just cut their hours so they'd have to quit, which is shitty but pretty common in retail.  He started doing it to her and pissed her off, so she talked to the unemployment office and they said that probably qualifies for partial unemployment, so she filed for it.  He got piiiiisssed and disputed it.  She stuck it out, won, told everyone there about it (so he couldn't pull that shit again), then quit.

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« Reply #2852 on: October 11, 2019, 01:31:29 PM »
Even worse, he dared me - "If you think you're worth more, go find someone else to pay it."



A few years ago my wife's manager said very same thing to her.  She had arranged a meeting to discuss a raise.  She presented him with a list of extra responsibilities she had taken on over the past year and asked for ~$3000 raise.  About a month after he threw his dare in her face she resigned for her new job (with a $4K bump and has since increased even further).  Best of all, they are on their 3rd person in her role in 3 years.  Current person is only doing ~1/2 what she was doing.  From what we have heard, her old manager has commented a few times how they were stupid to have let her leave like they did. 

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2853 on: October 11, 2019, 01:43:56 PM »
@RyanAtTanagra , nice! You reminded me of my favorite FU story, that I helped engineer...

DH and I bought our first house, in 1992. Not married, but together 10+ years, so it's all good. We cobble together a 10% DP, and move in.

I have my first post-college FT job, doing well for my age. DH is just out of college too, still working his college job at a local bike shop (he's super-good with fixing things, handy to have around). He'd worked there for ~2+ years, and was now the most senior (and most expensive) employee. He was also the guy who did ALL of the bicycle repairs. During his time there, he actually got a following of bike nerds, who would bring their fancy bikes in to be optimized by DH.

He's paid well enough, he hates interviewing, not really looking for a job (even after being taped up and robbed at gunpoint, but that's another story!)

After the robbery, the owner decides it's time to sell. So he does. New owner looks at DH's payroll, and decides he's going to get him out. So he assigns him to the other shop, about a 40 minute commute via freeway in the Bay Area. Instead of the current 20 minute commute. The employee with whom he was swapped (the most expensive employee at the other shop) decided to quit instead of putting up with the reassignment. DH doesn't.

So then the owner reduces his hours, by 25%, saying that the business is slowing (actually, business was recovering from the recession, and receipts were up). DH still doesn't quit, but he starts looking for another job. Slowly.

Well, owner pays out another month, and decides DH is still too expensive, so he "lets him go." DH comes home, all depressed and feeling worthless (he's an introvert, hates looking for work). I tell him he can file for unemployment, since he wasn't fired for cause. DH perks up!

I advise DH to call the owner the next day, no hassle, and ask him if he'd sign a letter of reference for DH, to "aid in his job search." Owner says yes. DH asks if it's OK if we draft it, and he'll bring it by the following day for a signature. Owner says yes.

So I draft the letter, outlining DH's three years of work in the shop, his expertise in repair, his solid work ethic, his perfect attendance, his reassignment to the other shop and his willingness "to work where he was most needed by the business," and then I note owner's dismay at having to lay him off due to "lack of funds, and lack of work", as evidenced by the prior reduction to 75% time.

DH takes it in, owner happily signs it (he didn't have to do any work! DH is going away without drama!). DH then went STRAIGHT TO THE UNEMPLOYMENT OFFICE, AND FILED.

Owner fights it, says he fired DH for bad attitude, attendance, possible thievery, he's not sure, but maybe...

So a conference call is scheduled with an adjudicator. DH listens to owner spew his lies, and then simply says: "Huh. That's not at all what you said in your written reference letter for me. You said it was due to lack of funds and lack of work."

Stunned silence. Then the adjudicator asks owner: "Is this true? Did you write a letter of reference for [DH]?" Owner admits that yes, he did sign a letter of reference, and it might have included those terms.

That was it. Dispute settled in DH's favor, and he proceeded to de-PTSD for the next 6 months while continuing to pay his Mustachian-level bills from the UE checks.

And because we kept a lockdown on the budget, he was able to turn down Blockbuster and their evil corporate hiring practices, AND buy a sweet 1967 Honda Dream 305 motorcycle during that 6 months of unemployment.

Overall: pretty sweet.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2854 on: October 11, 2019, 01:50:04 PM »
@Sandi_k love, love, LOVE that story. 

And in the end he is proven to be a complete moron and you were proven to be an excellent clerk who follows directions.  His direction to go find someone else to pay you more was his last order and followed to a tee. 

Ha!


Thanks, @MissNancyPryor ! That was my very first job, and I have NEVER forgotten that work is a mutual contract. I *always* have the right to walk, and I make sure I have the ability to do so, too.

My current boss is an *ss, but I choose to stay because he knows my worth - I've negotiated SERIOUS pay upgrades in the past decade with him, and I punch him right back when he tries to throat punch me. I am staying for the pension, until 2025. But he rotates out in June 2021.

Only 20 more months with him. I cannot wait!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2855 on: October 11, 2019, 03:09:52 PM »

That was it. Dispute settled in DH's favor, and he proceeded to de-PTSD for the next 6 months while continuing to pay his Mustachian-level bills from the UE checks.


I got laid off a pretty decent tech job this past summer. Having been laid off past jobs I had saved my paychecks (while co-workers were buying new trucks). I wasn't too unhappy to be laid off. I'm not even close to FIRE, but have enough of a stash to not worry for a while. I got a couple months severance pay, plus cash to pay COBRA (got a cheap Marketplace plan instead). I'm collecting unemployment for 6 months now, it's enough to pay the bills so I don't need to hurry to find the next job.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2856 on: October 11, 2019, 04:29:52 PM »
@Sandi_k

You win for the best new stories today!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2857 on: October 11, 2019, 04:45:28 PM »
@Sandi_k

You win for the best new stories today!

Thank you, @mm1970

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2858 on: October 13, 2019, 08:17:26 AM »
A few years ago I worked in cyber security at a large cosmetics company. I was part of a team of about 25 security folks in a company of 5,000 with around 600 being IT. So a larger IT org.

In cyber security, we worked very closely with other teams. The problem, however, is of the 25 people on my team, only 4 of us did the work. It was a frustrating experiencing being required to pick up the slack of 20 other people, but I strive to serve the company I work for well and to do my job with excellence, so I put that aside and didn't worry much about it.

Over my time there, I was repeatedly called out for excellence and became the go-to guy in the cyber security team. Is an attack happening? I'm up to be the main responder. Do we need to smooth out things with another team? Send me. Do we need some new products? I need to test them out and work across the organization to see if its a fit.

In the end they promoted me...sort of. They put two people under me and said I was a team lead, but refused to change my official title or give me a raise saying that HR could take a year or longer to get me the raise and title. I'd always been an unofficial team lead, training and support everyone in cyber security, but had never been offered a manager position before and decided it was worth waiting 8-12 months to get the titles on my resume (I've since learned to put what I did on a resume, not what they call it).

Well, people like to talk with me and I have always been into personal finance so eventually conversations with my coworkers turned to our salaries. Turns out, I was severely under paid - by at least 40%; and this was without taking my promotion into account.

I started doing research: talking with folks I knew in the industry, reading online forums, and looking at job posting to put together a number right in the middle of what the industry was paying for my promoted role. I took that information to my boss at my next one-on-one and proceeded to walk him through what I was looking for in salary when they finally promoted me and why I thought those numbers were fair.

He was clearly stunned by the conversation and didn't even take a second to process what I'd said. Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here. The promotion is not going to be negotiable and it's more like a 5% increase." I pointed out that the role should be paid at what the role is worth and not be based on my current salary. He shrugged his shoulders and basically said, "That's the way that it is and I'm not going to fight to get you any more."

That was the moment I knew it was time to leave. It was suddenly clear that they knew they were taking advantage of me. They knew I was ignorant of what the industry was paying and used that leverage to severely underpay me while hiring other folks at 40-60% more than me. And even when I proved to be one of the strongest assets on their team, the only response was a shrug of the shoulders and a "that's the way that it is."

So I started looking for work immediately. Within 3 weeks I had a job paying me an even higher salary than I had requested in the promotion. I turned in my notice ASAP and was walked out that day.

While it wasn't my savings that let me walk, my financial independence and my skill set meant I could leave if I needed too and gave me confidence to have the raise conversation. It felt so gratifying to see that my research was correct. I've since built up a strong emergency fund and begun working my way into true mustacian independence.

I work at an amazing organization now in a management role where I've been able to right size salaries and bring people up to where they should be in the industry. I am loving what I do every day and my emergency fund means I can FU if anything ever changes. It's a great place to be!
« Last Edit: October 21, 2019, 07:41:07 PM by alcon835 »

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2859 on: October 13, 2019, 09:21:42 AM »
@alcon835 A wonderfully inspiring story! Since I work in software too, I know that good security people are really hard to find so I'm very happy that you're now getting paid what you're worth.

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« Reply #2860 on: October 13, 2019, 10:23:03 AM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

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« Reply #2861 on: October 13, 2019, 10:23:49 AM »
Many years ago I was manager of programming for the US for a multinational corporation.   I had seriously trained up our programmers and analysts.  We got really impressive results with very few people.   95% of our resources went to new functionality and only 5% had to be used on fixing mistakes or poorly done work.  Industry standards at the time were fairly close to the opposite of that.

Management didn't want to increase their pay "because we've already done the budget for the year".  So we waited until the next budget cycle and -- surprise -- no raise.    Within 6 months the department was gutted because most left for significantly more money elsewhere.  (I got a 30% raise right off.)

I got word a few years later that the US corporate president had (too late) realized what a treasure he had in our department and was bemoaning that he was never going to get that kind of IT department again.

It was nice to be missed but much better to be well paid. :)

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« Reply #2862 on: October 13, 2019, 12:23:56 PM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

Maybe they were tired of him making them look bad.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2863 on: October 14, 2019, 12:14:22 PM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

Insane, but true.

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I pointed out (because for some reason these dorks making $300K per year running large sections of a multi-national corporation simply don't get it) that if I hired some nobody from off the street I would have to pay them the higher amount.  They would come with zero company-specific business acumen, loyalty, etc. and there was no guarantee they would work out for the long term.  Still got push back and it took a few more weeks of crap to resolve it.   

Lordy, I had a long hard fight for two of my people years ago...they were going from hourly to salary, and bigboss kept offering $43k, then $50k.  THEY MAKE $51K WITH OVERTIME DUDE.  They were going from tech to engineering (hourly to salary).

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« Reply #2864 on: October 14, 2019, 02:49:35 PM »
I'm so excited to have one of my first FU money experiences today! It's little, but mighty.

I am a designer and this weekend (Ugh - weekend. Strike one.) I had a client contact me about a job. The last line of her e-mail, verbatim, was "if you're interested, I can explain exactly what we need on a very tight timeline and even tighter budget." Gawd, what a horrible proposition!

Of course there are a few reasons to consider a job like that... if it's an important client or could lead to other, better jobs, etc. But that didn't apply here. In past years, I would have had to take the job because I needed the money, period. Now I'm able to discriminate, and I kind of feel like throwing myself a party because it's so awesome. Three cheers for being able to take a pass on the crappy assignments of life!!

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« Reply #2865 on: October 14, 2019, 03:22:02 PM »
I'm so excited to have one of my first FU money experiences today! It's little, but mighty.

I am a designer and this weekend (Ugh - weekend. Strike one.) I had a client contact me about a job. The last line of her e-mail, verbatim, was "if you're interested, I can explain exactly what we need on a very tight timeline and even tighter budget." Gawd, what a horrible proposition!

Of course there are a few reasons to consider a job like that... if it's an important client or could lead to other, better jobs, etc. But that didn't apply here. In past years, I would have had to take the job because I needed the money, period. Now I'm able to discriminate, and I kind of feel like throwing myself a party because it's so awesome. Three cheers for being able to take a pass on the crappy assignments of life!!

Well done!  Often times you will come out ahead by not taking a crappy job.

Flip side, at least they have a budget and they didn't offer to pay you in "exposure" on their 100 follower instagram.  :)

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« Reply #2866 on: October 15, 2019, 08:45:38 AM »
I'm so excited to have one of my first FU money experiences today! It's little, but mighty.

I am a designer and this weekend (Ugh - weekend. Strike one.) I had a client contact me about a job. The last line of her e-mail, verbatim, was "if you're interested, I can explain exactly what we need on a very tight timeline and even tighter budget." Gawd, what a horrible proposition!

Of course there are a few reasons to consider a job like that... if it's an important client or could lead to other, better jobs, etc. But that didn't apply here. In past years, I would have had to take the job because I needed the money, period. Now I'm able to discriminate, and I kind of feel like throwing myself a party because it's so awesome. Three cheers for being able to take a pass on the crappy assignments of life!!

Congratulations on dodging that bullet!!  Fingers crossed if that customer ever contacts you again they do it earlier, with more money and greater respect for your skill set. - Saying no can often teach a client you're worth it.

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« Reply #2867 on: October 15, 2019, 11:11:51 AM »
I'm so excited to have one of my first FU money experiences today! It's little, but mighty.

I am a designer and this weekend (Ugh - weekend. Strike one.) I had a client contact me about a job. The last line of her e-mail, verbatim, was "if you're interested, I can explain exactly what we need on a very tight timeline and even tighter budget." Gawd, what a horrible proposition!

Of course there are a few reasons to consider a job like that... if it's an important client or could lead to other, better jobs, etc. But that didn't apply here. In past years, I would have had to take the job because I needed the money, period. Now I'm able to discriminate, and I kind of feel like throwing myself a party because it's so awesome. Three cheers for being able to take a pass on the crappy assignments of life!!
I prob would have asked how tight the budget was (maybe you did?) One person's tight budget is another person's flush one.

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« Reply #2868 on: October 15, 2019, 12:44:35 PM »
I work at an amazing organization now and in a management role where I've been able to right size salaries and bring people up to where they should be in the industry. I am loving what I do every day and my emergency fund means I can FU if anything ever changes. It's a great place to be!

Good for you man, that's an awesome outcome.

The lesson here is: people will get away with whatever you let them get away with, so know your worth, and re-educate yourself from time to time so you're always in the know.

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« Reply #2869 on: October 16, 2019, 10:37:37 PM »
I'm so excited to have one of my first FU money experiences today! It's little, but mighty.

I am a designer and this weekend (Ugh - weekend. Strike one.) I had a client contact me about a job. The last line of her e-mail, verbatim, was "if you're interested, I can explain exactly what we need on a very tight timeline and even tighter budget." Gawd, what a horrible proposition!

Of course there are a few reasons to consider a job like that... if it's an important client or could lead to other, better jobs, etc. But that didn't apply here. In past years, I would have had to take the job because I needed the money, period. Now I'm able to discriminate, and I kind of feel like throwing myself a party because it's so awesome. Three cheers for being able to take a pass on the crappy assignments of life!!
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« Reply #2870 on: October 19, 2019, 05:27:15 PM »
I can honestly say that this thread has changed my entire life for the better over the past year. It's amazing to me how much life improvement one can get just by being able to say NO to unreasonable work demands.  I'm not FIREd yet, but I'm close enough that I've already started acting like it when it comes to work assignments. Here are some of the things I've done in the past year. Some might not consider them epic, but they are epic to me.

A background, I have been in some form of IT Consulting for over 25 years. For at least half that time, I've traveled 75-100% to work on projects at customer sites. When I was young and single, all of the traveling was great!  Now that I'm older and married, it became a tedious chore.

Over the past 5 years, I have worked and trained very hard to become a certified expert in a particular technology that is very much in-demand right now. My previous job was traveling 100% doing various projects in this technology for various customers. Some of those customers came from the actual technology company, others came thru the medium-sized consulting firm that I worked for.

As some may know, in IT Consulting, the bill rates can be quite high.  $250-$350/hour is not uncommon.  However, I was only making a fraction of that.  Knowing just what my little slice of the pie was infuriated me constantly.  *I* was the one leaving my family on Sunday afternoon and returning Friday night every week, yet everybody else actually made more money.

Every month the company would give 1 consultant a special bonus for going "above and beyond". There was one other consultant and I who traveled full time, everybody else got to go home to their families every night or worked from home.  Neither of us never got the bonus.  Why?  Because we didn't put in enough extra effort.  They didn't care that we were stuck on planes or at airports 10-20 hours/week.

And on top of that, my manager was constantly trying to get me to do extra work on the side that my company was actually billing for, but I was paid a salary, so no extra money for me.  "You're stuck in a hotel room all week, so you have plenty of time to do this extra work" was his constant excuse. So even though I did a lot of this extra work, I still didn't get nominated for the monthly bonus.

After reading MMM and this thread, assessing how financially stable we actually were, and realizing that with my status as an expert in this high-demand technology, I could easily find another job, I decided to just stop taking all of their sh*t. 

The first step was that I stopped doing all extra work.  At first I just ignored any requests.  When my manager asked for the status of them, I politely but sternly informed him that I was already billing 40 hours/week for the customer, and if he wanted me to do anything else, he needed to figure out a way to pay me extra for it. He gave me a hard time, but I simply told him that if he didn't like it, he could fire me and lose all of the billing revenue that I was bringing in.

I then informed him that my 100% traveling days were over.  Either find me something local to me, or preferably, work-at-home, or another company would.  My company had paid a lot of money to get me trained on this technology, so I gave them 6 months to reduce my travel schedule.  Believe me, they've made 100x as much money from my billings as they ever paid to train me, probably more.

And third, rather than having the internal travel agency book my flights and hotels, I started making my own reservations. They were constantly nickel and diming me on flights/hotels. Making me take cheaper flights at crazy times and putting me up at cheaper hotels very far away from the customer sites.  No more.  When confronted about this, I simply said either I make my own travel reservations, or I don't travel 1 foot outside of my house.

They backed down on everything. My life did improve somewhat, but sure enough, after 6 months, there was absolutely no movement on reducing my travel, so I started looking for a new work-at-home job.  I found it in less than a month and am now writing this post from my desk at my own house.  My commute is 20 feet from Bedroom 1 to Bedroom 3.  :)  My wife is so happy to have me home more, and I got a 20% raise to boot! 

It's amazing how much better your life can get when you just do what's best for you and your family.

I hope others will read this and get some inspiration from it.  FU money is great, but even if you're not quite there yet, having partial FU-money as well as a FU-skillset can go a long way to improving your life. 

Thank you MMM Community for inspiring me to make these much-needed changes!!
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« Reply #2871 on: October 19, 2019, 05:31:05 PM »
Great story, @frekwentflier !  You may be due for a new username, though.

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« Reply #2872 on: October 19, 2019, 05:48:14 PM »
... I started looking for a new work-at-home job.  I found it in less than a month and am now writing this post from my desk at my own house.  My commute is 20 feet from Bedroom 1 to Bedroom 3.  :)  My wife is so happy to have me home more, and I got a 20% raise to boot! 

How did you find the work-at-home job?  I haven't had much luck finding reliable opportunities.

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« Reply #2873 on: October 19, 2019, 06:47:52 PM »
That's pretty epic.  I think we forget sometimes that it costs a lot of money to replace a highly skilled worker...$$$$$$

We have more power than we realize.

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« Reply #2874 on: October 19, 2019, 08:10:42 PM »
I can honestly say that this thread has changed my entire life for the better over the past year. It's amazing to me how much life improvement one can get just by being able to say NO to unreasonable work demands.

Great story!  And I agree, learning the concept of FU money has changed my life for the better.  Before, I never knew that it was possible to just say 'no', and to ask for/demand things that others were afraid to.  Doing so doesn't mean you're not still an exceptional employee, it's just establishing boundaries, which ends up being healthy for both sides.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2875 on: October 19, 2019, 08:58:40 PM »
Way to go, @frekwentflier!

Let us know if you change your name to formerfrekwentflier...

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2876 on: October 19, 2019, 09:27:51 PM »
I still fly a lot, but now it's for vacations only.  :) 

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2877 on: October 19, 2019, 09:33:42 PM »
... I started looking for a new work-at-home job.  I found it in less than a month and am now writing this post from my desk at my own house.  My commute is 20 feet from Bedroom 1 to Bedroom 3.  :)  My wife is so happy to have me home more, and I got a 20% raise to boot! 

How did you find the work-at-home job?  I haven't had much luck finding reliable opportunities.

Being able to find a work-at-home job very much depends on your choice of career. The technology that I specialize in just happens to be very easy to do remotely. Forward-thinking companies realize that they can save a lot of money on office space, etc. by enabling remote workers. As long as the job gets done, who cares where it's done?

If remote work is important to you, but no such jobs exist in your field, you may want to consider a career change. If you do, I hope it works out for you.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2878 on: October 20, 2019, 03:57:37 AM »
Amazing story! Thank you!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2879 on: October 21, 2019, 09:13:33 AM »
Being able to find a work-at-home job very much depends on your choice of career. The technology that I specialize in just happens to be very easy to do remotely. Forward-thinking companies realize that they can save a lot of money on office space, etc. by enabling remote workers. As long as the job gets done, who cares where it's done?

If remote work is important to you, but no such jobs exist in your field, you may want to consider a career change. If you do, I hope it works out for you.

I'm am IT manager by experience and a full stack developer by skill.  I currently work 100% from home (hundreds of miles from the nearest office!).  I landed the position 10 years ago as a regular employee at our headquarters; work from home was negotiated later.  My job isn't bad, but I feel trapped because I don't know how to find a similar position.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2880 on: October 21, 2019, 10:31:07 AM »
Being able to find a work-at-home job very much depends on your choice of career. The technology that I specialize in just happens to be very easy to do remotely. Forward-thinking companies realize that they can save a lot of money on office space, etc. by enabling remote workers. As long as the job gets done, who cares where it's done?

If remote work is important to you, but no such jobs exist in your field, you may want to consider a career change. If you do, I hope it works out for you.

I'm am IT manager by experience and a full stack developer by skill.  I currently work 100% from home (hundreds of miles from the nearest office!).  I landed the position 10 years ago as a regular employee at our headquarters; work from home was negotiated later.  My job isn't bad, but I feel trapped because I don't know how to find a similar position.
I might as well say that after finding a house that is in a great location for me I feel trapped because I can't find one that's in an even better location.

Sometimes good enough is good enough.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2881 on: October 21, 2019, 05:15:27 PM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

That is literally telling you to file a wage discrimination suit.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2882 on: October 21, 2019, 07:05:39 PM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

That is literally telling you to file a wage discrimination suit.
Not in the US, unless the context was some form of racial, religious, gender or similar basis for the discrimination.

Just being hired at a lower wage and getting the same % raise as others isn't discrimination under US law.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2883 on: October 21, 2019, 07:45:39 PM »
Instead he told me, "You started at this company underpaid and you will always be underpaid as long as you work here."

Holy crap, I can't believe he told you that straight up. That's practically telling your employee to leave for greener pastures.

Maybe they were tired of him making them look bad.

They were pretty shocked and upset that I left and started bad mouthing me - specifically that I asked for a raise. One of my coworkers (still a friend) pointed out that my request was reasonable since I was making significantly more than I'd asked for. They never really had an answer to him on that but started bad mouthing me more.

That guy works for me now :)

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2884 on: October 21, 2019, 07:46:53 PM »
I work at an amazing organization now and in a management role where I've been able to right size salaries and bring people up to where they should be in the industry. I am loving what I do every day and my emergency fund means I can FU if anything ever changes. It's a great place to be!

Good for you man, that's an awesome outcome.

The lesson here is: people will get away with whatever you let them get away with, so know your worth, and re-educate yourself from time to time so you're always in the know.

I completely agree!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2885 on: November 04, 2019, 08:44:42 AM »
Six years ago I was able to escape a drama-filled situation working for a small consulting entity within a university to take a new job doing economic forecasting for a public utility.

Today, the data series I spent those years building (it's survey data) has suddenly become the highest priority for our director of accounting. So I'm having to crawl back to people at that old job to see if they'll share the data with me (otherwise we'd have to pay $2,000 in subscription fees). So all you badass people, congrats! As for me, I'm trading some pride to save my manager $2,000.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2886 on: November 04, 2019, 08:48:52 AM »
Good luck, fellow Texan!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2887 on: November 11, 2019, 07:01:17 AM »
Update-
director of accounting really loves the chart I made from these data. So I guess it's all okay.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2888 on: November 12, 2019, 06:12:26 AM »
And on top of that, my manager was constantly trying to get me to do extra work on the side that my company was actually billing for, but I was paid a salary, so no extra money for me.  "You're stuck in a hotel room all week, so you have plenty of time to do this extra work" was his constant excuse.

I used to get this line, too. I did get bonuses, but when I worked out my hourly rate on these extra hours it was still less than minimum wage.

As soon as I could I became an independent contractor. Cut out that middle-man. Never looked back.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2889 on: February 07, 2020, 08:44:49 AM »
It's not all that Epic but it was nice to be asked to apply for a sure thing promotion to a job I didn't want and reject it immediately. It's a pretty big raise, they said. I save half my income and mostly like my job, I said. Nothing at all would change in my daily life except that I would mostly dislike my job and be saving a somewhat higher percent of my income. Find another sucker.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2890 on: February 07, 2020, 09:20:41 AM »
It's not all that Epic but it was nice to be asked to apply for a sure thing promotion to a job I didn't want and reject it immediately. It's a pretty big raise, they said. I save half my income and mostly like my job, I said. Nothing at all would change in my daily life except that I would mostly dislike my job and be saving a somewhat higher percent of my income. Find another sucker.

That's an awesome example of FU money, rockeTree! Way to stick it to the man.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2891 on: February 07, 2020, 09:55:18 AM »
The likely sucker in question (it is a big raise, and it is a crummy gig) just bought too much house and I am so pleased not to have that pressure driving my choices!  And to have an excuse to resurrect a fun thread.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2892 on: February 07, 2020, 10:18:14 AM »
It's not all that Epic but it was nice to be asked to apply for a sure thing promotion to a job I didn't want and reject it immediately. It's a pretty big raise, they said. I save half my income and mostly like my job, I said. Nothing at all would change in my daily life except that I would mostly dislike my job and be saving a somewhat higher percent of my income. Find another sucker.

Isnít avoiding BS spendy pants consumption so you can also avoid wasting your life on BS work you donít enjoy the reason this blog and forum exist? Iíd rate that as epic.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2893 on: February 07, 2020, 11:35:58 AM »
It's not all that Epic but it was nice to be asked to apply for a sure thing promotion to a job I didn't want and reject it immediately. It's a pretty big raise, they said. I save half my income and mostly like my job, I said. Nothing at all would change in my daily life except that I would mostly dislike my job and be saving a somewhat higher percent of my income. Find another sucker.

Isnít avoiding BS spendy pants consumption so you can also avoid wasting your life on BS work you donít enjoy the reason this blog and forum exist? Iíd rate that as epic.
Totally agree, though I'd rate it as "Epic", with a capital "E".

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2894 on: February 07, 2020, 02:19:37 PM »
Good point Dicey. More capital is always a good thing.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2895 on: February 08, 2020, 08:55:53 AM »

It was nice to be missed but much better to be well paid. :)

What a great line!
 That line should be sent to all previous employers when people left for being under paid.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2896 on: February 08, 2020, 04:43:22 PM »
It's not all that Epic but it was nice to be asked to apply for a sure thing promotion to a job I didn't want and reject it immediately. It's a pretty big raise, they said. I save half my income and mostly like my job, I said. Nothing at all would change in my daily life except that I would mostly dislike my job and be saving a somewhat higher percent of my income. Find another sucker.

Isnít avoiding BS spendy pants consumption so you can also avoid wasting your life on BS work you donít enjoy the reason this blog and forum exist? Iíd rate that as epic.
Totally agree, though I'd rate it as "Epic", with a capital "E".

Because no fireworks are going off, it's easy to think this isn't an Epic story, but you have to think of how you claimed ownership of your life and joy, and realize that that's a big deal.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2897 on: February 08, 2020, 08:49:55 PM »
It's not all that Epic but it was nice to be asked to apply for a sure thing promotion to a job I didn't want and reject it immediately. It's a pretty big raise, they said. I save half my income and mostly like my job, I said. Nothing at all would change in my daily life except that I would mostly dislike my job and be saving a somewhat higher percent of my income. Find another sucker.

I have to agree with the other posters. This deserves Epic with an an E.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2898 on: February 09, 2020, 03:55:42 PM »
Aw, thanks all!

This was reinforced by talking with a buddy who was shocked that I would turn it down, told me that he had never even considered rejecting a promotion, that that was the only way he could imagine saving money, and that he would be much happier in his previous role at his company, but "that's just not now it works." (He could save by eating food made at home more than a couple nights a month but that's a different conversation and of course his business).

I feel like being very conscious that I don't have to make default consumption choices not only makes it easy to save, but supports not making default earning choices. I don't need another $25k/year before taxes if it won't make a huge difference to my retirement date (which is mostly driven by varying assumptions about market returns at this point) and will make a huge negative difference in my quality of life.

I also talked to work bosses more and both said what promotions I would consider and laid out what conditions I would need to even contemplate the position they want me in, which they seemed to take on board as real possibilities. We shall see, but either way I'm fine and coming at it from a position of strength!
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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #2899 on: February 10, 2020, 12:11:16 AM »
Epic, @rockeTree!

For fun, here's 2 hours of epic music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaXXVzGy7Y8