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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1600 on: March 19, 2017, 04:32:29 AM »
Walls are invincible.

However, I expect sales of rope to go up in Mexico. :D

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1601 on: March 19, 2017, 08:46:33 AM »
Walls are invincible.

However, I expect sales of rope to go up in Mexico. :D

Quote from: Karl Marx
The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.


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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1602 on: March 22, 2017, 04:06:42 PM »
Need to vent: I'm at my second job ever and this is the first time I'm actually seeing it live. I'm seeing layers of office politics and this is a company that is well run and field that is usually less political. I was thinking of trying the management route and used to not understand why so many on this forum hate it. Now I get it! Man, office politics is serious s**t. I might be affected by it a bit (due to being in team, past projects etc) but I'm so so glad I don't have to do that stuff day in and day out.  And I'm super glad that FIRE date is so close and we are not spending on random crap instead.

How do people even deal with this office politics for years and years?

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1603 on: March 22, 2017, 04:16:35 PM »
How do people even deal with this office politics for years and years?

It's a game, like chess or poker.  Some people like it well enough to do it professionally, or else suffer it for the pay despite not liking it.  Biggest real difference is the number of positions in the pro leagues.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1604 on: March 22, 2017, 05:03:50 PM »
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How do people even deal with this office politics for years and years?

It's a game, like chess or poker.  Some people like it well enough to do it professionally, or else suffer it for the pay despite not liking it.  Biggest real difference is the number of positions in the pro leagues.

I just stick to the facts.    The political types can suck it.   (I don't present this attitude directly at work though.  :-) )

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1605 on: March 22, 2017, 05:08:39 PM »
Walls are invincible.

However, I expect sales of rope to go up in Mexico. :D

Cmon! Anyone heard of tunnels? Talk about an exercise in futility!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1606 on: March 22, 2017, 06:34:45 PM »
Walls are invincible.

However, I expect sales of rope to go up in Mexico. :D

Cmon! Anyone heard of tunnels? Talk about an exercise in futility!

Oh!  That's what the Republicans meant by "shovel ready".

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1607 on: Today at 06:59:35 AM »
Walls are invincible.

However, I expect sales of rope to go up in Mexico. :D

Cmon! Anyone heard of tunnels? Talk about an exercise in futility!
I think you have your political parties mixed up! :P

Oh!  That's what the Republicans meant by "shovel ready".

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1608 on: Today at 08:40:41 AM »
How do people even deal with this office politics for years and years?

It's a game, like chess or poker.  Some people like it well enough to do it professionally, or else suffer it for the pay despite not liking it.  Biggest real difference is the number of positions in the pro leagues.

Heh - I don't like playing the game but it seems I have at least some aptitude for it. Not a FU Money story but a FU I don't need this job story. I worked long hours during and at school for a profession with some serious CYA needs. Turned out to be a terrible career choice but I forged habits, connections and a work ethic that has served me well since then. I changed fields and got a new job where I worked on teaching myself a new career.

Well the VP for the dept was an awful person with a history of backstabbing. She would regularly scream at and insult people publicly and drove several people to nervous exhaustion. With me as the lowly new guy there were quite a few layers separating us so it didn't really affect me as I kept my head down, did my job and learned my trade. I learned a lot in the time I worked there and started getting job offers from former and new contacts. My current company offered a ton of voluntary and paid for job training options so I continued working there although I did pick up a part time job with a standing full time job offer.

Anyway - my boss ended screwing something up badly. Really badly. He and the VP were best buddies so someone else had to take the fall. Enter the lowly new guy. Imagine my surprise when I was called out and dressed down in front of the entire department for something that I had never done and wasn't aware of. Apparently my raise and bonus were also going to be withheld. After a day of seething rage I confirmed that I still had standing full time job offer elsewhere and prepared my case. Suspecting it would get no where I still followed the proper motions and tried to work it out with my boss and VP - documenting everything. The VP thought I would be scared by the thought of losing my job and tried to lord her position over me so we got no where. When I left the meeting I turned right , away from my cube. She asked where I was going. I told her to file a formal HR review request. After some shock from both of them that someone would dare cross her instead of submitting meekly like pretty much everyone else she tried to tell me I couldn't do that. But I just ignored her and kept walking. I'm stubborn to a fault so I would have done this whether I had another job lined up or not but having the other job took all the stress out of what followed.

At my short lived previous career I had already been part of a few court cases and the formal HR review process had more in common with a court hearing than was probably healthy for a company. My boss and the VP clearly hadn't prepared very well. I'm not sure if that was ineptitude or misplaced contempt for my position but all of their comments involved phrases like "Well, around this time.", "I remember it this way" and he said\she said stuff

Meanwhile my argument was incredibly specific. By habit I had notes, files and emails with exact quotes and times. My boss tried to say that he never got the notes and emails but Microsoft Exchange and file versioning are wonderful things and I had already pulled logs in anticipation of the review process. I responded to his first "I never got that email" with "According to the Microsoft Exchange logs the message was delivered to your inbox at this time and you marked it as read at this time". When he tried to say he never saw my file on the server I responded with "According to the file server logs you made a revision to the file in question on this date at this exact time." I refuted his claim of sending me an email that he never did (he had made this claim in our previous meeting) with a dump of my exchange file logs showing no email like that had been received and asked him to pull his logs to show he sent it. He admitted he may not have sent that email.

The only downside to the hearing is that it was so short. I was enjoying myself more than I probably should have been. True to company form though it had devolved into a yelling match between my VP and the VP of HR. After the found in my favor she tried to obliquely threaten me that basically, my days there were numbered. I laughed and told her "I haven't needed this job for months".

People at my various new places of employment have occasionally tried to play office politics with me but its child's play compared to what I previously saw and dealt with so they've never persisted. I have no doubt that there are many people out there better than I am at it but I do add that to the list of things I learned from the first company.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1609 on: Today at 10:56:44 AM »
Exterous -> this was awesomely epic, and amazingly anal/tech proficient of you. I'm in awe.

JGS

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1610 on: Today at 12:49:41 PM »
So here's a sort of FU money story I guess:

2 jobs ago, I worked on a help desk for a public company that does HR work for other companies. When I first saw this job online, I realized quickly that I was going through a staffing company to get it. I never quite understood this concept, at least in this instance, since i only did 1 phone interview with the staffing guy, before meeting him for breakfast, before having to do an in-person interview with the HR company anyway. So basically this vampire was getting like half or whatever of my wages for the 6 month contract that I was working for the main company with the idea being they would take me on full-time as long as nothing went wrong. I was working the same hours as the rest of the helpdesk team and doing the same work, but got paid substantially less, no benefits, and had to take a shorter lunch for some reason too. Now I've worked in several IT capacities my career, but this was hands down the WORST.

First off, to even call what I did a helpdesk was kind of misleading. This company was apparently so big and bloated with red tape, probably from being a publicly traded company, that we had a sub-department for EVERYTHING. I was level 1. Basically taking in all the incoming calls/e-mails and making trouble tickets out of them. If the problem wasn't related to a small handful of things we were in charge of fixing, we would push the ticket to the correct department. I'm talking a network team, microsoft team, apple team, hardware team, telecom team, security team, sales support team, development team...the list continues. It was a glorified call center. I used to work at a law firm where we had a small team of about 7 overall with only me and my boss in the regional office I worked out of that would do everything ourselves. Needless to say this was jarring. On top of that, being similar to a call center, our every action was monitored and recorded. You had to log into the phone system to get put in the call-taking rotation, and everyone's status was up on a big screen tv. We were in one open area of half-cubicles with our backs to each other. You got 2 15-minute breaks to use for the day, and if you wanted to use them, you had to go into break mode. So now your status on the tv changed and everyone could see how long you were in the crapper for. And heaven help you if you went to 15:01 in break mode. Then your name would go red on the screen and start flashing at about the 17 minute mark. Your calls were all recorded and 2 random ones were chosen to be evaluated and you would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for every time you went off script or your ticket wasn't up to what they considered par. The majority of my co-workers were annoying and almost always went overboard on their break times, but being full-time they didn't really get reprimanded as the contractors did.

Why would I put myself through all this you ask? Well I had discovered MMM a few years prior to this, and this job was only 4+ miles from home.

Oh the sweet sweet bicycle commute! And this was when gas was still pretty high up. Internally laughing every time I would receive the traffic report from reception about when to avoid the nearby interstate was one of the few things that kept me sane at that job. I quickly got rain weather gear (Florida sucks for that) and was bike riding rain or shine. My best month saw me only filling up my car once. I had to fight with building management to move the bike rack from being next to a pond (not even bolted to anything) to at least a covered outside break area.

So after 5 months there was some falling out between my staffing company boss and HR company boss, so they bought out my contract and took me on full-time a month early. But because there wasn't an official "opening" or whatever phrase they used, I was still in this weird holding pattern. I got an incredibly small pay bump, but still no medical insurance, 401k options, or even vacation days, so I was basically a "direct contractor". On top of that, they had hired another employee after me direct to full-time when I was still under 3rd party contract. I later discovered that the HR company also advertised for job openings on their own. So basically I was just the victim of clicking on the wrong application online. Unbelievable. The final nail in the coffin, was another 3rd party contract employee who started after me getting moved to full-time during a somewhat large re-structuring in my department, where my highly unqualified boss was let go, and a much more reasonable person came in from level 2 to take her place. However at this point the damage was done, I was fed up with going nowhere, leashed to my cubicle like a prisoner for fear of missing a call and having that statistic on my record, and generally being treated like crap despite the weekly metrics being posted and my always being in the top 3 for call availability time, calls taken, tickets created, and tickets closed. Not even bike commuting could help this in the long run.

So long story not made longer, I threw down the gauntlet and gave them one month to make me legit full-time or I would walk. 1 month came and went, I had now been there a week or 2 shy of a year, and I was not about to end up bluffing. FU money let me put in my 2 weeks and I quickly found a job doing IT at an elementary school. So quick in fact that I was leaving work early to go on interviews during those last 2 weeks. 2 of the 3 schools I applied to hired me on the spot (having a college degree for a position requiring only a high school diploma probably helped put me at the top of the resume pile), so I chose the closest one. It was back to a car commute and even worse pay, but holy crap the FREEDOM. I was the only IT guy on site. Got to run the morning news crew with the kids and come up with new intro videos and other multimedia stuff, had the district's helpdesk to call if I needed any assistance (I could only pray they weren't treated like my last job treats helpdesks), and basically got to hang around the school with a walkie talkie, helping out classrooms and computer labs that radioed for me. I even got all the holidays off teachers get too. But like I said, the pay was horrible and I was barely breaking even with just the bare minimum in bills. It's like they knew how little it would feel like "work" and paid accordingly.

So luckily an old friend asked me if I was still in IT and I now work at an accounting firm that she works at (the sad part is that I left the school a week into summer vacation :(((((((( ). But it's the best pay I've ever had, small IT team, no metrics or stats to keep track of, just a general honor system that everyone pulls their weight (and with only 4 of us you can't exactly slack off unnoticed), benefits (I just became eligible for the 401k w/ 50% match on the first 4%, and the best kicker of all is that although the main office that I currently work at is about the same distance the school was (~15 miles one way), they have a smaller satellite office just down the street from the HR company! I currently have negotiated getting to go there once a month, but have a verbal yes that I could start working their full time over the summer after tax season. The plan is to just stay the course and get enough reputation/power to make the trips to the main office become the rarity, since so much troubleshooting can be done remotely these days.

FU money really does help make changes happen easier.

Thanks for sticking through the long read!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1611 on: Today at 01:20:17 PM »
How do people even deal with this office politics for years and years?

It's a game, like chess or poker.  Some people like it well enough to do it professionally, or else suffer it for the pay despite not liking it.  Biggest real difference is the number of positions in the pro leagues.

They work their way from being forced to wrestle the fat man to positions of pulling levers where they are further removed from the bloodbath of middle management politics.  Here is the description of the Fat Man and The Trolley philosophical debate I'm referring to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/books/review/would-you-kill-the-fat-man-and-the-trolley-problem.html

Either way, they become more immune to the politics as well as the calls for compassion (in most cases) to survive and climb out of the immediate moral dilemmas of either caring too much or not giving a shit at all.  Sadly, no one wins as they compromise their humanity in exchange for delusional security and control. 

On the other hand, I've come across some great leaders but even they were (at times) perceived as turning a blind eye or indirectly contributing to damaging office politics.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1612 on: Today at 02:49:47 PM »
My argument was incredibly specific. By habit I had notes, files and emails with exact quotes and times. My boss tried to say that he never got the notes and emails but Microsoft Exchange and file versioning are wonderful things and I had already pulled logs in anticipation of the review process. I responded to his first "I never got that email" with "According to the Microsoft Exchange logs the message was delivered to your inbox at this time and you marked it as read at this time". When he tried to say he never saw my file on the server I responded with "According to the file server logs you made a revision to the file in question on this date at this exact time." I refuted his claim of sending me an email that he never did (he had made this claim in our previous meeting) with a dump of my exchange file logs showing no email like that had been received and asked him to pull his logs to show he sent it. He admitted he may not have sent that email.

So can anyone see these logs or are these something on IT support staff can pull. Nice CYA tool.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1613 on: Today at 03:59:51 PM »
RE Office politics, but not really about FU money other than that I had plenty and "Jane" didn't.

I worked in a large company as the director of one of the research units.  One of our large data projects required integration across 13 different source systems to assemble a common record that was broken up into specific time movements based upon client transactions.  Needless to say, this required someone who had some serious data, ETL and SQL skills.  The original project estimate was that it would take 6 months.  Jane (not her real name) and her compatriot were able to compile and assemble the required input data-set in 2 weeks of major overtime in concert with me as a business resource.

Fast forward 3 years.  I'm the director of one of the largest business units and Jane is critical to my model development work.  Here's where the office politics get interesting.  Jane used to date Mark Andrew Holman (not his real name, but he was a M-AH).  Anyway, Uma Brady (not her real name) started dating M-AH, who was cheating on Jane.  UB and M-AH getting engaged is how Jane found out that M-AH was breaking up with her.  UB brown noses to the IT VP and gets put in a director spot over Jane.  Jane calls me up, explains story, says she's waiting for the ax to drop.  I say don't worry, there's no way they can replace your work.  I start an inventory of all the critical projects my department is working on and highlight all the work Jane was doing on each.  In my world, data is your lifeblood.  I had lots of talented analysts, but few data wizards.  Jane was a very valuable resource.  Anyway, I get the very polite notice from UB that Jane was being moved off of my projects.  I replied saying "Thanks for letting me know, can we have a quick meeting?  I need to understand how your department will be fulfilling the SLA it has with me."

We have meeting.  I had escalated issue to my EVP, so the IT VP was in room.  UB starts talking about how Jane had had some complaints from internal clients and they were moving her to work on more internal projects.  I said "How you assign staff is up to you, but I have an inventory of the projects that Jane is working on and I need to know how you are going to fulfill the needs."  Projects 1-5 were all on the CEOs list of talking points when he spoke about future project enhancements.  The work required to do what Jane did was exhaustive, and she was wicked fast and accurate.  At the end of my description of the project tasks and skill sets needed to replace her the IT VP looked at UB and said "That sounds like 10 people, not 1.  How are you going to source that?"  UB just looked red in the face.  I then innocently asked "BTW, who were the clients that complained?  Based upon your allocation of billing Jane is 100 percent allocated to me, and as far as I can tell she's amazing.  I know the complaint didn't come from me.  UB gets more red, IT VP looks at UB with a questioning look.  UB says "it was an anonymous complaint."

Two weeks later Jane comes in my office closes the door, sits down and says:  "I just got a visit from the IT VP.  It seems that I'm being promoted and will now report to 'Other IT Director' instead of UB.  I have a new job accountability to train data literacy and ETL efficiency and am to be considered the model for how to partner with the business.  I asked ITVP how I'd gone from being told I was being moved away from client facing roles due to complaints to being used as the model for client facing roles and ITVPs reaction was odd.  She laughed loudly and then said that when a business unit Director would go to that much effort to make an IT Director look like a complete schmuck over what was clearly non-work related BS in defense of someone in a different department with the lowest analyst title possible, there was clearly a close relationship with the business.  I asked her to explain that further and then she just said ask you."

Sometimes office politics are the best defense for office politics.  UB lasted all of 6 months as a Director.  After that I got the email that said.  "UB no longer works for _company_."

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1614 on: Today at 04:19:58 PM »
RE Office politics, but not really about FU money other than that I had plenty and "Jane" didn't.

One of my new favorite stories, bravo!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1615 on: Today at 04:24:58 PM »
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That's awesome!  I always like to hear people stand up for those getting unfairly abused. I've been in that position a couple times before learning about FI, and never had anyone stand up for me. Kudos!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1616 on: Today at 05:09:16 PM »
Bravo Dogboy!!!

If we don't stand up for the good eggs, who will?

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« Reply #1617 on: Today at 07:03:09 PM »
   Good Dogboy! That is a great tale!
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.