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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1550 on: March 07, 2017, 12:25:19 PM »
Yesterday I overheard a conversation between a coworker (C) and one of the housekeeping staff (H). H mentioned that he has 3 working days until retirement, at which point I stuck my nose into the conversation to congratulate him. I had never seen him smile before, but he sure was smiling when we talked about his retirement! I wouldn't call him young, but he looks like he might be a few years younger than "normal" retirement age.

The FU money part of it is that after he walked away, C told me that H had several properties around town and had decided to retire after our company cut the housekeepers' hourly rate almost in half. I would like to think that he is a closet Mustachian. And I love the fact that just because someone empties trash cans for a living doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing with their money!

So awesome!

To support your point - In my hometown, a guy who did repairs at the university started buying and fixing up rent houses that catered to students.  Over time, he got dozens of them and became quite wealthy.  Didn't quit as far as I know, but became the director of maintenance at his day job too according to my dad.  Anyway, even if someone empties trash cans or hammers a nail, they might have more money than all of the other people in the office.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1551 on: March 07, 2017, 11:53:54 PM »
Got handed a shit sandwich at work today. Even though we have FU money, I'm hanging on since we are expecting our second soon and now isn't the best time to quit. I think I might have something to contribute soon but I hope not atleast for some more time.

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« Reply #1552 on: March 08, 2017, 12:40:59 AM »
  Buy a fixer, fix it up, rent it out.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

 "Lather, rinse, repeat".
 I always thought that 'repeat' part was just a way for Head and Shoulders to double their sales. :-)
BRRR is a Thing now: Buy, Renovate, Rent, Repeat. Or Buy, Renovate, Rent, Refinance, Repeat. It's another way for mustachians to double their net worths. :-)

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1553 on: March 08, 2017, 07:15:20 AM »
  Buy a fixer, fix it up, rent it out.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

 "Lather, rinse, repeat".
 I always thought that 'repeat' part was just a way for Head and Shoulders to double their sales. :-)
BRRR is a Thing now: Buy, Renovate, Rent, Repeat. Or Buy, Renovate, Rent, Refinance, Repeat. It's another way for mustachians to double their net worths. :-)
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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1554 on: March 08, 2017, 08:21:55 AM »
Got handed a shit sandwich at work today. Even though we have FU money, I'm hanging on since we are expecting our second soon and now isn't the best time to quit. I think I might have something to contribute soon but I hope not atleast for some more time.

Sorry to hear Firelight - stay strong and keep your eye on the prize. Someday you will have your FU stache!!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1555 on: March 08, 2017, 10:10:45 AM »
Yesterday I overheard a conversation between a coworker (C) and one of the housekeeping staff (H). H mentioned that he has 3 working days until retirement, at which point I stuck my nose into the conversation to congratulate him. I had never seen him smile before, but he sure was smiling when we talked about his retirement! I wouldn't call him young, but he looks like he might be a few years younger than "normal" retirement age.

The FU money part of it is that after he walked away, C told me that H had several properties around town and had decided to retire after our company cut the housekeepers' hourly rate almost in half. I would like to think that he is a closet Mustachian. And I love the fact that just because someone empties trash cans for a living doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing with their money!

Update: It gets even better! Turns out his first day of retirement is his birthday. He's using a vacation day for it. That's one hell of a birthday present!

As for how to make the transition, he says his friends and family already have a growing to do list for him, since they all know he'll soon have a lot of time on his hands. I guess that's one way to do it for those who are concerned about feeling a bit lost when they no longer have to get up and go to work.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1556 on: March 08, 2017, 10:22:09 AM »
  Buy a fixer, fix it up, rent it out.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

 "Lather, rinse, repeat".
 I always thought that 'repeat' part was just a way for Head and Shoulders to double their sales. :-)
BRRR is a Thing now: Buy, Renovate, Rent, Repeat. Or Buy, Renovate, Rent, Refinance, Repeat. It's another way for mustachians to double their net worths. :-)
Another Bigger Pockets fan I see!
Lolz, I can't say that's true. I learned the term elsewhere, in a link I followed to an article that was cited on this wonderful forum. Truth is, we were doing it on our own without realizing it was a Thing. We're real estate weirdos and love doing projects. We can't travel right now, so flipping and BRRR-ing help us focus on what we CAN do. We are not hard core on the financial side. For example, we don't re-fi. We pay cash or we get a good loan in the first place. We also flex on the 1% rule, which is BP heresy. Ergo, I don't think Bigger Pockets would completely approve of our ways. We are otherwise FI, so we are not as strict with the numbers as they advocate.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1557 on: March 08, 2017, 10:31:29 AM »
Yesterday I overheard a conversation between a coworker (C) and one of the housekeeping staff (H). H mentioned that he has 3 working days until retirement, at which point I stuck my nose into the conversation to congratulate him. I had never seen him smile before, but he sure was smiling when we talked about his retirement! I wouldn't call him young, but he looks like he might be a few years younger than "normal" retirement age.

The FU money part of it is that after he walked away, C told me that H had several properties around town and had decided to retire after our company cut the housekeepers' hourly rate almost in half. I would like to think that he is a closet Mustachian. And I love the fact that just because someone empties trash cans for a living doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing with their money!

Update: It gets even better! Turns out his first day of retirement is his birthday. He's using a vacation day for it. That's one hell of a birthday present!

As for how to make the transition, he says his friends and family already have a growing to do list for him, since they all know he'll soon have a lot of time on his hands. I guess that's one way to do it for those who are concerned about feeling a bit lost when they no longer have to get up and go to work.
Both of my parents have passed away in the last two years. In fact, today is the first anniversary of my Dad's death. This tale sparks a memory... Dad drove an old Toyota Corolla with a license plate frame that read "Retired, Now I Work at Honey-Do Construction". He actually did retire at fifty, badass that he was. RIP, "Pops".

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1558 on: March 08, 2017, 11:17:15 AM »
Got handed a shit sandwich at work today. Even though we have FU money, I'm hanging on since we are expecting our second soon and now isn't the best time to quit. I think I might have something to contribute soon but I hope not atleast for some more time.
Hang in there firelight!  As I was reminded when I recently had a shit sandwich, the fact that you have FU money gives you choices and you're choosing to hang in there a little longer.  Knowing that you're accepting it because something else is more important, helped me swallow the first bite.  I've also decided to not put up with so much shit, to just say "that's not okay" more often when I get the sandwich.  Good luck! 

And congratulations on your baby!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1559 on: March 08, 2017, 08:09:39 PM »
I have not read everyone's stories yet, but I do have my own epic FU money story.

I worked at a law firm with 13 attorneys, straight out of law school at 26. I had lots of options because I went to a regionally respected law school and finished near the top of my law class. I rejected many offers for salary positions and chose this firm because it allowed me to create my own practice. We split fees based on various percentages. There was no cap on my earnings.

Fast forward 3.5 years. I was 29 years old. My practice had exploded. There were basically two problems. First, by the time of the FU incident I was making more money than anyone in the firm and I was the youngest person there.  Second, the managing partner and the office administrator were incompetent, bitter and creating a toxic work environment.

A key part of the story is that 6 weeks prior to the FU incident, the managing partner used $10,000 of my money, without permission, to pay all the partners salaries because they had "cash flow issues." They money was paid back a week later. This signaled financial shenanigans on top of being totally, totally toxic.

One day, the managing partner approached me and said she wanted to renegotiate my deal AND audit every case for the appropriate percentage from the prior two years. The renegotiation was ridiculous. The audit was a major, totally unwarranted affront to my integrity - from a person who had just taken $10,000 of my money!

So, I went home with my wife - coincidentally an auditor and accountant. We performed the audit ourselves and ran all the numbers. I discovered that for the prior two years, less than 1% of my income had come from their referrals. I was a major profit center for the firm - generating over $250,000 for the firm over the prior 24 months. And, in fact, the toxic office administrator had intentionally mis-categorized my referrals thereby underpaying me.

Fortunately, I had been on the MMM train since the beginning and had an FU money war-chest of a couple hundred thousand dollars. Interestingly, the MMM choices had been the object of much curiosity since everyone knew I was making a lot but spending very little. Why are you riding your bike to work? Why did you buy such a "modest" house for your income. Why don't you get a new car? Those are actual comments.

So, the FU moment arrived when I delivered a renegotiated contract proposal to the partners. I proposed to pay them a flat monthly fee that amounted to 35% of what they were currently getting. I proposed that if they ever held any of my money without legal authority or permission they pay $1,000 per day for the privilege. Egg on the face of managing partner who had not advised anyone of the $10,000 "cash flow" issue or her proposed audit and renegotiation.

A comment this board will particularly appreciate in response, "We can't take this deal, we'd have to reduce our salaries and our budgets are set to our salaries." Facepalm.

During the wind up phase, the toxic, money stealing office administrator - who had been around long enough to have a way, way over-inflated sense of importance - spoke up during a tense conversation about splitting remaining funds. I looked at her and said, "You have no ownership in this firm, I have never been in business with you and don't want to hear anything you have to say." Hahahahaha. Her jaw dropped. Her upper lip trembled with rage. She didn't say a freaking word. It was the best moment of the entire thing, even better than the contract proposal.

Long story short, I opened my own law firm one week later. I now pay 20% less in overhead. I work dramatically reduced hours because I have actual, dedicated staff for just me - which they would never give me. Also, my gross receipts are up about 10% in the first 12 months. Life is good.

As a post script - the incompetent managing partner hired a guy to fill my office. Remember, that office was earning over $250,000 for the firm in the proceeding 24 months. The guy was paid a salary for six months - rather than have his pay tied to his productivity. Eventually it came out he was a total fraud who lied about being licensed in our state (he did have a different, faraway state). He even filed court documents without the appropriate license. He was fired immediately and the office remains vacant, producing zero profits. Schadenfreude? Yes.

Also as a disclaimer, there are many, many attorneys who are great at servicing their clients but not so good at business. In the event I needed legal help, I would immediately hire any of these attorneys - except the managing partner. They really are competent, professional people - but bad business and money managers. In the end, I maintained great relationships with everyone except the managing partner and the office administrator.

I have an update to this story. Recently, one of the partners of this law firm left and decided to open his law firm, right across the hallway from me. I got a little inside info that had remained hidden for two years.

It turns out the Managing Partner and the toxic office administrator were totally in cahoots to oust me from the firm. After I delivered my proposal, described above, there was a meeting where the partners were going to respond. Apparently, it had been the topic of conversation that it would not make sense for me to continue to pay larger and larger sums of money and they would eventually have to change my deal - which is what I was asking for.  So, my proposal was not a surprise and they were willing to work with me.

Enter the managing partner and administrator: the administrator entered the partner meeting and tendered her immediate resignation if she had to continue to work with me. She then walked out. This would have created a temporary chaos and she was the paralegal for the firms' founder who no one would override. So, they didn't make me a counter offer and instead asked, "If we don't keep him, will Administrator come back." To which managing partner replied immediately, "I'll talk to her about that." Moments later, the resignation was withdrawn and my fate was sealed. The partner who just left the firm - because the same managing partner and toxic administrator were costing him lots and lots of money and stress, said he was in shock at how the whole group had been so masterfully manipulated.

If you recall the story from above, I told her off AFTER she had done all this. It only makes it sweeter.

As they say, living well is the best revenge. I've had my own practice for two years now. I've doubled my net worth. I work 20-30 hours less per week and make more money. Life is good. They really did me a huge favor.

P.S. My leading theory on why the office administrator wanted me gone is that if I had stayed I would have been forced to address her purposely mis-coding my cases and, thereby, underpaying me. This would have been very bad for her as a major breach of trust. So, I think she knew that if I stayed her shenanigans would become a mini-office scandal and potentially she could lose her job. She went for the jugular when she had the chance. Why the Managing Partner was so upset? I think it had to do with calling her out on the $10,000 in front of everyone. But why did they turn their eyes to me prior to the $10,000 blow up and coding discovery? I'll never really know.

I know most of you probably couldn't care less, but I wanted to say it somewhere: toxic Managing Partner of this law firm is being forced out of the firm she founded.

Me? Almost FI and just got back from two month sabbatical in Mexico where I settled the biggest case of my life from the beach (literally).

So, so sweet.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1560 on: March 08, 2017, 08:55:01 PM »
Wow Fireby35, that's great!  She's finally getting what she deserved. 

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1561 on: March 08, 2017, 10:03:12 PM »
I know most of you probably couldn't care less, but I wanted to say it somewhere: toxic Managing Partner of this law firm is being forced out of the firm she founded.

Me? Almost FI and just got back from two month sabbatical in Mexico where I settled the biggest case of my life from the beach (literally).

So, so sweet.

Now THAT is epic.  So happy for you!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1562 on: March 09, 2017, 12:21:16 AM »
I know most of you probably couldn't care less, but I wanted to say it somewhere: toxic Managing Partner of this law firm is being forced out of the firm she founded.

Me? Almost FI and just got back from two month sabbatical in Mexico where I settled the biggest case of my life from the beach (literally).

So, so sweet.
I respectfully beg to differ with you, Fb35. Who doesn't  love a good story with a happy ending? Thanks for the update!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1563 on: March 09, 2017, 01:05:08 AM »
I know most of you probably couldn't care less, but I wanted to say it somewhere: toxic Managing Partner of this law firm is being forced out of the firm she founded.

Me? Almost FI and just got back from two month sabbatical in Mexico where I settled the biggest case of my life from the beach (literally).

So, so sweet.
I respectfully beg to differ with you, Fb35. Who doesn't  love a good story with a happy ending? Thanks for the update!

+1 I love updates!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1564 on: March 09, 2017, 04:45:22 AM »
I know most of you probably couldn't care less, but I wanted to say it somewhere: toxic Managing Partner of this law firm is being forced out of the firm she founded.

Me? Almost FI and just got back from two month sabbatical in Mexico where I settled the biggest case of my life from the beach (literally).

So, so sweet.
I respectfully beg to differ with you, Fb35. Who doesn't  love a good story with a happy ending? Thanks for the update!

+1 I love updates!

+2 What happened to the toxic administrator? Is she still there causing chaos?

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1565 on: March 09, 2017, 05:17:47 AM »
I know most of you probably couldn't care less, but I wanted to say it somewhere: toxic Managing Partner of this law firm is being forced out of the firm she founded.

Me? Almost FI and just got back from two month sabbatical in Mexico where I settled the biggest case of my life from the beach (literally).

So, so sweet.
I respectfully beg to differ with you, Fb35. Who doesn't  love a good story with a happy ending? Thanks for the update!

+1 I love updates!

+2 What happened to the toxic administrator? Is she still there causing chaos?
+3 This story just gets better with time.

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« Reply #1566 on: March 09, 2017, 05:41:51 AM »
I know most of you probably couldn't care less, but I wanted to say it somewhere: toxic Managing Partner of this law firm is being forced out of the firm she founded.

Me? Almost FI and just got back from two month sabbatical in Mexico where I settled the biggest case of my life from the beach (literally).

So, so sweet.

From one attorney who worked for a toxic partner lady (me) to another (you), HELL YEAH!!!  All around fabulous news!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1567 on: March 09, 2017, 06:59:02 AM »
It's all good.  I especially love the beach!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1568 on: March 09, 2017, 07:03:24 AM »
I know most of you probably couldn't care less, but I wanted to say it somewhere: toxic Managing Partner of this law firm is being forced out of the firm she founded.

Me? Almost FI and just got back from two month sabbatical in Mexico where I settled the biggest case of my life from the beach (literally).

So, so sweet.
I respectfully beg to differ with you, Fb35. Who doesn't  love a good story with a happy ending? Thanks for the update!

+1 I love updates!

+2 What happened to the toxic administrator? Is she still there causing chaos?

Thanks everyone!

As far as I know Toxic Administrator is still around. I'm sure she will be taking on a friendlier attitude towards all without her #1 ally around.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1569 on: March 09, 2017, 11:45:39 AM »
FIREby35... Office karma's a bitch, ain't it?  ;-)  [Thanks a million for the update - yes, we're interested.  And congrats on running your own practice - here's hoping you'll give mustachian rates if any of us ever needs your services.  All the best!  MF.]

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« Reply #1570 on: March 09, 2017, 04:18:20 PM »
Thankfully, I've got a healthy 'stache (around 6x annual expenses) and a supportive partner whose job is secure, so I give notice and....here's the epic bit....one week later HR comes back and reclassifies my transition as a role restructuring. I'm leaving next month, will get paid out for 5-6 weeks of PTO in my last check, and am likely looking at 3 months severance pay given my tenure with the organization. I've got a clean narrative for my departure and am essentially pulling a paycheck through July/August. While my ego doesn't like the circumstances behind this transition, my 'stache is telling her to get over herself.

I love that you gave notice. Congratulations. You'll be more than fine. Enjoy a multiple month vacation during what I hope is good weather for you.

I've lost count of how many managers tried things like you've described here. They have a motive, and rather than just state what they want or do the deed (fire you, or whatever), they engage in this more roundabout stuff: "Oh, it's an exercise, it's a test." When did people get so gutless? Make your decisions and own them, already, without all the unnecessary drama and emotion. Oy!

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« Reply #1571 on: March 09, 2017, 07:08:19 PM »
Another Bigger Pockets fan I see!


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« Reply #1572 on: March 11, 2017, 01:40:11 AM »
I know most of you probably couldn't care less, but I wanted to say it somewhere: toxic Managing Partner of this law firm is being forced out of the firm she founded.

Me? Almost FI and just got back from two month sabbatical in Mexico where I settled the biggest case of my life from the beach (literally).

So, so sweet.
I respectfully beg to differ with you, Fb35. Who doesn't  love a good story with a happy ending? Thanks for the update!

+1 I love updates!

+2 What happened to the toxic administrator? Is she still there causing chaos?
+3 This story just gets better with time.
+4!

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« Reply #1573 on: March 11, 2017, 06:42:52 PM »
Not really FU money, like most people here think, but back when I was in college I drove a tow-truck for income.  I was working 40-60 hours a week, and taking 18 credit hours during the day.  I drove a $550 beater, that I paid for in cash, and had access to the tools and people who knew cars to keep it running for cheap.

Driving the tow-truck didn't pay "well," but my expenses were minimal.  I was renting a room out of someone's house, and didn't have time to do anything that cost money.  I was taking home $400-$500 a week, and my monthly expenses were under $600.  The rest was just piling up in my checking account.  I had around $8,000 when I finally reached my breaking point.

I worked a 40 hour shift one weekend, sleeping for a couple hours in a motor-home on the lot before getting back on the road.  I was exhausted.  It was too much.  I was driving on too little sleep and it was unsafe.  I was going to kill myself or someone else at the rate I was going.

I went to the owner and told him that I couldn't work like this.  I was willing to continue Friday nights and Saturday nights, but 10 hours each and not the 16 hour shifts currently scheduled.  And, I wasn't going to do any other evening coverage.  "I can't do that.  I need you on call every night and I need you working 6pm to 10am on the weekend."

"Look," I said, "You can have me for the 20 hours a week, or zero hours a week.  Those are the only two options."

"You can't dictate your hours to me!"

"No, but I can quit.  Here are the keys to the truck.  Maybe I'll see you around."  And, I just walked out and drove home.  I figured that I had enough in savings to last me nearly a year, but I would also easily find another job that fit my needs and paid my minimal bills.  At that moment in my life, $8,000 was FU money.

As for my boss?  He called my mom and told on me!  LOL, no joke.  He went to the same church as my mom, and I think he thought that he could get her to tell me to go back and apologize and work for him again.  I don't know exactly what my mom said, but she told me that she told him I was an adult who could make my own decisions.

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« Reply #1574 on: March 11, 2017, 09:38:48 PM »
Great story, FIT_Goat! Good for you for recognizing your limits and standing up for yourself and good on your mom for treating you like the adult you were. I'll bet no matter what she said to him, she was supremely proud of you.

The last line reminds me of the time I told someone at a book sale to stop using a scanner. He asked me why I singled him out and I replied that there was a "No Scanner" sign on the end of every row and I could hear his beeping. He got pissed off and said he was going to complain to my boss. I told him I didn't have a boss, I was retired and a library volunteer. The asshat actually had the nerve to call the library and insist that I be fired! The library staff had a good laugh at that, since they know how much time I spend raising money for them.

However, the conflict-averse President of the Friend's Board was actually going to contact him and apologize. I told her if she did, I'd quit the board. (I'm the VP.) Not at all an Epic FU money story, but it was still terrifically fun to stand my ground without worry of repercussion.

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« Reply #1575 on: March 11, 2017, 09:48:49 PM »
I replied that there was a "No Scanner" sign on the end of every row
Why does the organization care?  You want to sell the books, you set the price, what's it to you if they want to scan the book before buying it?

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« Reply #1576 on: March 12, 2017, 04:07:02 AM »
I replied that there was a "No Scanner" sign on the end of every row
Why does the organization care?  You want to sell the books, you set the price, what's it to you if they want to scan the book before buying it?

Thanks for asking, Sword Guy. Apologies to everyone else for the slight hijack, but I gotta answer this.

We care for a number of reasons.

- We are the Friends of the Library. We are not the "Source of cheap inventory for book resellers." We take a more cheap books for everyone approach, not just leftover crap that the book resellers don't want.

- The booksellers are the ones who asked us not to allow scanners in the first place. They feel very strongly that it keeps the playing field level. As in, you gotta know your stuff if you want to score the deals, you can't just scan everything.

- Our space is very limited and it gets really tight during peak hours. There simply isn't room for people to move if someone is monopolizing a section with a scanner.

- Next, those fuckers beep and drives those of us who are in the room all day nuts. 

- We work every day the library is open all year long to process the book donations. A large team of dedicated volunteers works for a solid week+ to set up and run the quarterly book sales. We've earned the right to set a few rules. BTW, our price is fifty cents or a dollar for almost everything. Typically, less than 2-3% of our inventory is flagged as "Special" and sold for a little bit more.

- We don't have a lot of storage space, so our culls and leftovers go to a large organized charity (SVdP). If we don't sell something, they are somewhat more likely to, as they operate typical retail stores. They also pick up, which is nice.

Pro Tip: If you really want to score the deals, you become a volunteer at the library. Then you get first pick. #askmehowiknow

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1577 on: March 12, 2017, 07:46:58 PM »
Agree with ARS, this is by FAR the best thread on this forum.
Although I have been a guest lurker for a long time I have finally made myself legit -->http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/profile/?u=31677 on the forum, but mostly to follow this thread more easily.

I suppose I am lucky that my work around the salted cured meats industry has proven to be filled with top quality folks and no working through the 'meat grinder.'
Pastrami is the most sensual of the dried, salted meats.

Is that Constanza?

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1578 on: March 12, 2017, 09:56:28 PM »

- Next, those fuckers beep and drives those of us who are in the room all day nuts. 


All good reasons, but I liked this one best.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1579 on: March 13, 2017, 12:31:18 PM »
As for my boss?  He called my mom and told on me! 

That was an awesome story and I LOVE that he tattled!  Too funny!  congratulations!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1580 on: March 14, 2017, 11:00:50 AM »
Agree with ARS, this is by FAR the best thread on this forum.
Although I have been a guest lurker for a long time I have finally made myself legit -->http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/profile/?u=31677 on the forum, but mostly to follow this thread more easily.

I suppose I am lucky that my work around the salted cured meats industry has proven to be filled with top quality folks and no working through the 'meat grinder.'
Pastrami is the most sensual of the dried, salted meats.

Is that Constanza?

Obviously!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1581 on: March 14, 2017, 01:15:14 PM »
Agree with ARS, this is by FAR the best thread on this forum.
Although I have been a guest lurker for a long time I have finally made myself legit -->http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/profile/?u=31677 on the forum, but mostly to follow this thread more easily.

I suppose I am lucky that my work around the salted cured meats industry has proven to be filled with top quality folks and no working through the 'meat grinder.'
Pastrami is the most sensual of the dried, salted meats.

Is that Constanza?

Obviously!

It was actually George's girlfriend that said that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvSEVOIbEMU

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1582 on: March 14, 2017, 02:01:27 PM »
Damn you Eric.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1583 on: March 18, 2017, 11:49:22 AM »
Changed my 401K contribution from 4% to get full company match to max amount

Difference in taxable income of ~$20,000

FU - Not paying for a stinking wall or WW III

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1584 on: March 18, 2017, 09:56:55 PM »
Changed my 401K contribution from 4% to get full company match to max amount

Difference in taxable income of ~$20,000

FU - Not paying for a stinking wall or WW III

Sorry but you are still paying for it with your remaining taxes.  You will also gain from the wall (not sure about WWIII) with your investments.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1585 on: March 18, 2017, 11:14:57 PM »
Maybe a better way to put that is that your country is paying for the wall in spit of your decision to defer your taxes to a later point in time.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1586 on: March 18, 2017, 11:21:28 PM »
Maybe a better way to put that is that your country is paying for the wall in spit of your decision to defer your taxes to a later point in time.
I, too, spit on the decision to build a wall. May it never happen and Dog bless Cemex!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1587 on: March 19, 2017, 08:46:33 AM »
Walls are invincible.

However, I expect sales of rope to go up in Mexico. :D

Quote from: Karl Marx
The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.


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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1588 on: March 22, 2017, 04:06:42 PM »
Need to vent: I'm at my second job ever and this is the first time I'm actually seeing it live. I'm seeing layers of office politics and this is a company that is well run and field that is usually less political. I was thinking of trying the management route and used to not understand why so many on this forum hate it. Now I get it! Man, office politics is serious s**t. I might be affected by it a bit (due to being in team, past projects etc) but I'm so so glad I don't have to do that stuff day in and day out.  And I'm super glad that FIRE date is so close and we are not spending on random crap instead.

How do people even deal with this office politics for years and years?

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1589 on: March 22, 2017, 04:16:35 PM »
How do people even deal with this office politics for years and years?

It's a game, like chess or poker.  Some people like it well enough to do it professionally, or else suffer it for the pay despite not liking it.  Biggest real difference is the number of positions in the pro leagues.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1590 on: March 22, 2017, 05:03:50 PM »
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How do people even deal with this office politics for years and years?

It's a game, like chess or poker.  Some people like it well enough to do it professionally, or else suffer it for the pay despite not liking it.  Biggest real difference is the number of positions in the pro leagues.

I just stick to the facts.    The political types can suck it.   (I don't present this attitude directly at work though.  :-) )

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1591 on: March 22, 2017, 05:08:39 PM »
Walls are invincible.

However, I expect sales of rope to go up in Mexico. :D

Cmon! Anyone heard of tunnels? Talk about an exercise in futility!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1592 on: March 22, 2017, 06:34:45 PM »
Walls are invincible.

However, I expect sales of rope to go up in Mexico. :D

Cmon! Anyone heard of tunnels? Talk about an exercise in futility!

Oh!  That's what the Republicans meant by "shovel ready".

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1593 on: March 23, 2017, 06:59:35 AM »
Walls are invincible.

However, I expect sales of rope to go up in Mexico. :D

Cmon! Anyone heard of tunnels? Talk about an exercise in futility!
I think you have your political parties mixed up! :P

Oh!  That's what the Republicans meant by "shovel ready".

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1594 on: March 23, 2017, 08:40:41 AM »
How do people even deal with this office politics for years and years?

It's a game, like chess or poker.  Some people like it well enough to do it professionally, or else suffer it for the pay despite not liking it.  Biggest real difference is the number of positions in the pro leagues.

Heh - I don't like playing the game but it seems I have at least some aptitude for it. Not a FU Money story but a FU I don't need this job story. I worked long hours during and at school for a profession with some serious CYA needs. Turned out to be a terrible career choice but I forged habits, connections and a work ethic that has served me well since then. I changed fields and got a new job where I worked on teaching myself a new career.

Well the VP for the dept was an awful person with a history of backstabbing. She would regularly scream at and insult people publicly and drove several people to nervous exhaustion. With me as the lowly new guy there were quite a few layers separating us so it didn't really affect me as I kept my head down, did my job and learned my trade. I learned a lot in the time I worked there and started getting job offers from former and new contacts. My current company offered a ton of voluntary and paid for job training options so I continued working there although I did pick up a part time job with a standing full time job offer.

Anyway - my boss ended screwing something up badly. Really badly. He and the VP were best buddies so someone else had to take the fall. Enter the lowly new guy. Imagine my surprise when I was called out and dressed down in front of the entire department for something that I had never done and wasn't aware of. Apparently my raise and bonus were also going to be withheld. After a day of seething rage I confirmed that I still had standing full time job offer elsewhere and prepared my case. Suspecting it would get no where I still followed the proper motions and tried to work it out with my boss and VP - documenting everything. The VP thought I would be scared by the thought of losing my job and tried to lord her position over me so we got no where. When I left the meeting I turned right , away from my cube. She asked where I was going. I told her to file a formal HR review request. After some shock from both of them that someone would dare cross her instead of submitting meekly like pretty much everyone else she tried to tell me I couldn't do that. But I just ignored her and kept walking. I'm stubborn to a fault so I would have done this whether I had another job lined up or not but having the other job took all the stress out of what followed.

At my short lived previous career I had already been part of a few court cases and the formal HR review process had more in common with a court hearing than was probably healthy for a company. My boss and the VP clearly hadn't prepared very well. I'm not sure if that was ineptitude or misplaced contempt for my position but all of their comments involved phrases like "Well, around this time.", "I remember it this way" and he said\she said stuff

Meanwhile my argument was incredibly specific. By habit I had notes, files and emails with exact quotes and times. My boss tried to say that he never got the notes and emails but Microsoft Exchange and file versioning are wonderful things and I had already pulled logs in anticipation of the review process. I responded to his first "I never got that email" with "According to the Microsoft Exchange logs the message was delivered to your inbox at this time and you marked it as read at this time". When he tried to say he never saw my file on the server I responded with "According to the file server logs you made a revision to the file in question on this date at this exact time." I refuted his claim of sending me an email that he never did (he had made this claim in our previous meeting) with a dump of my exchange file logs showing no email like that had been received and asked him to pull his logs to show he sent it. He admitted he may not have sent that email.

The only downside to the hearing is that it was so short. I was enjoying myself more than I probably should have been. True to company form though it had devolved into a yelling match between my VP and the VP of HR. After the found in my favor she tried to obliquely threaten me that basically, my days there were numbered. I laughed and told her "I haven't needed this job for months".

People at my various new places of employment have occasionally tried to play office politics with me but its child's play compared to what I previously saw and dealt with so they've never persisted. I have no doubt that there are many people out there better than I am at it but I do add that to the list of things I learned from the first company.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1595 on: March 23, 2017, 10:56:44 AM »
Exterous -> this was awesomely epic, and amazingly anal/tech proficient of you. I'm in awe.

JGS

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1596 on: March 23, 2017, 12:49:41 PM »
So here's a sort of FU money story I guess:

2 jobs ago, I worked on a help desk for a public company that does HR work for other companies. When I first saw this job online, I realized quickly that I was going through a staffing company to get it. I never quite understood this concept, at least in this instance, since i only did 1 phone interview with the staffing guy, before meeting him for breakfast, before having to do an in-person interview with the HR company anyway. So basically this vampire was getting like half or whatever of my wages for the 6 month contract that I was working for the main company with the idea being they would take me on full-time as long as nothing went wrong. I was working the same hours as the rest of the helpdesk team and doing the same work, but got paid substantially less, no benefits, and had to take a shorter lunch for some reason too. Now I've worked in several IT capacities my career, but this was hands down the WORST.

First off, to even call what I did a helpdesk was kind of misleading. This company was apparently so big and bloated with red tape, probably from being a publicly traded company, that we had a sub-department for EVERYTHING. I was level 1. Basically taking in all the incoming calls/e-mails and making trouble tickets out of them. If the problem wasn't related to a small handful of things we were in charge of fixing, we would push the ticket to the correct department. I'm talking a network team, microsoft team, apple team, hardware team, telecom team, security team, sales support team, development team...the list continues. It was a glorified call center. I used to work at a law firm where we had a small team of about 7 overall with only me and my boss in the regional office I worked out of that would do everything ourselves. Needless to say this was jarring. On top of that, being similar to a call center, our every action was monitored and recorded. You had to log into the phone system to get put in the call-taking rotation, and everyone's status was up on a big screen tv. We were in one open area of half-cubicles with our backs to each other. You got 2 15-minute breaks to use for the day, and if you wanted to use them, you had to go into break mode. So now your status on the tv changed and everyone could see how long you were in the crapper for. And heaven help you if you went to 15:01 in break mode. Then your name would go red on the screen and start flashing at about the 17 minute mark. Your calls were all recorded and 2 random ones were chosen to be evaluated and you would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for every time you went off script or your ticket wasn't up to what they considered par. The majority of my co-workers were annoying and almost always went overboard on their break times, but being full-time they didn't really get reprimanded as the contractors did.

Why would I put myself through all this you ask? Well I had discovered MMM a few years prior to this, and this job was only 4+ miles from home.

Oh the sweet sweet bicycle commute! And this was when gas was still pretty high up. Internally laughing every time I would receive the traffic report from reception about when to avoid the nearby interstate was one of the few things that kept me sane at that job. I quickly got rain weather gear (Florida sucks for that) and was bike riding rain or shine. My best month saw me only filling up my car once. I had to fight with building management to move the bike rack from being next to a pond (not even bolted to anything) to at least a covered outside break area.

So after 5 months there was some falling out between my staffing company boss and HR company boss, so they bought out my contract and took me on full-time a month early. But because there wasn't an official "opening" or whatever phrase they used, I was still in this weird holding pattern. I got an incredibly small pay bump, but still no medical insurance, 401k options, or even vacation days, so I was basically a "direct contractor". On top of that, they had hired another employee after me direct to full-time when I was still under 3rd party contract. I later discovered that the HR company also advertised for job openings on their own. So basically I was just the victim of clicking on the wrong application online. Unbelievable. The final nail in the coffin, was another 3rd party contract employee who started after me getting moved to full-time during a somewhat large re-structuring in my department, where my highly unqualified boss was let go, and a much more reasonable person came in from level 2 to take her place. However at this point the damage was done, I was fed up with going nowhere, leashed to my cubicle like a prisoner for fear of missing a call and having that statistic on my record, and generally being treated like crap despite the weekly metrics being posted and my always being in the top 3 for call availability time, calls taken, tickets created, and tickets closed. Not even bike commuting could help this in the long run.

So long story not made longer, I threw down the gauntlet and gave them one month to make me legit full-time or I would walk. 1 month came and went, I had now been there a week or 2 shy of a year, and I was not about to end up bluffing. FU money let me put in my 2 weeks and I quickly found a job doing IT at an elementary school. So quick in fact that I was leaving work early to go on interviews during those last 2 weeks. 2 of the 3 schools I applied to hired me on the spot (having a college degree for a position requiring only a high school diploma probably helped put me at the top of the resume pile), so I chose the closest one. It was back to a car commute and even worse pay, but holy crap the FREEDOM. I was the only IT guy on site. Got to run the morning news crew with the kids and come up with new intro videos and other multimedia stuff, had the district's helpdesk to call if I needed any assistance (I could only pray they weren't treated like my last job treats helpdesks), and basically got to hang around the school with a walkie talkie, helping out classrooms and computer labs that radioed for me. I even got all the holidays off teachers get too. But like I said, the pay was horrible and I was barely breaking even with just the bare minimum in bills. It's like they knew how little it would feel like "work" and paid accordingly.

So luckily an old friend asked me if I was still in IT and I now work at an accounting firm that she works at (the sad part is that I left the school a week into summer vacation :(((((((( ). But it's the best pay I've ever had, small IT team, no metrics or stats to keep track of, just a general honor system that everyone pulls their weight (and with only 4 of us you can't exactly slack off unnoticed), benefits (I just became eligible for the 401k w/ 50% match on the first 4%, and the best kicker of all is that although the main office that I currently work at is about the same distance the school was (~15 miles one way), they have a smaller satellite office just down the street from the HR company! I currently have negotiated getting to go there once a month, but have a verbal yes that I could start working their full time over the summer after tax season. The plan is to just stay the course and get enough reputation/power to make the trips to the main office become the rarity, since so much troubleshooting can be done remotely these days.

FU money really does help make changes happen easier.

Thanks for sticking through the long read!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1597 on: March 23, 2017, 01:20:17 PM »
How do people even deal with this office politics for years and years?

It's a game, like chess or poker.  Some people like it well enough to do it professionally, or else suffer it for the pay despite not liking it.  Biggest real difference is the number of positions in the pro leagues.

They work their way from being forced to wrestle the fat man to positions of pulling levers where they are further removed from the bloodbath of middle management politics.  Here is the description of the Fat Man and The Trolley philosophical debate I'm referring to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/books/review/would-you-kill-the-fat-man-and-the-trolley-problem.html

Either way, they become more immune to the politics as well as the calls for compassion (in most cases) to survive and climb out of the immediate moral dilemmas of either caring too much or not giving a shit at all.  Sadly, no one wins as they compromise their humanity in exchange for delusional security and control. 

On the other hand, I've come across some great leaders but even they were (at times) perceived as turning a blind eye or indirectly contributing to damaging office politics.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1598 on: March 23, 2017, 02:49:47 PM »
My argument was incredibly specific. By habit I had notes, files and emails with exact quotes and times. My boss tried to say that he never got the notes and emails but Microsoft Exchange and file versioning are wonderful things and I had already pulled logs in anticipation of the review process. I responded to his first "I never got that email" with "According to the Microsoft Exchange logs the message was delivered to your inbox at this time and you marked it as read at this time". When he tried to say he never saw my file on the server I responded with "According to the file server logs you made a revision to the file in question on this date at this exact time." I refuted his claim of sending me an email that he never did (he had made this claim in our previous meeting) with a dump of my exchange file logs showing no email like that had been received and asked him to pull his logs to show he sent it. He admitted he may not have sent that email.

So can anyone see these logs or are these something on IT support staff can pull. Nice CYA tool.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #1599 on: March 23, 2017, 03:59:51 PM »
RE Office politics, but not really about FU money other than that I had plenty and "Jane" didn't.

I worked in a large company as the director of one of the research units.  One of our large data projects required integration across 13 different source systems to assemble a common record that was broken up into specific time movements based upon client transactions.  Needless to say, this required someone who had some serious data, ETL and SQL skills.  The original project estimate was that it would take 6 months.  Jane (not her real name) and her compatriot were able to compile and assemble the required input data-set in 2 weeks of major overtime in concert with me as a business resource.

Fast forward 3 years.  I'm the director of one of the largest business units and Jane is critical to my model development work.  Here's where the office politics get interesting.  Jane used to date Mark Andrew Holman (not his real name, but he was a M-AH).  Anyway, Uma Brady (not her real name) started dating M-AH, who was cheating on Jane.  UB and M-AH getting engaged is how Jane found out that M-AH was breaking up with her.  UB brown noses to the IT VP and gets put in a director spot over Jane.  Jane calls me up, explains story, says she's waiting for the ax to drop.  I say don't worry, there's no way they can replace your work.  I start an inventory of all the critical projects my department is working on and highlight all the work Jane was doing on each.  In my world, data is your lifeblood.  I had lots of talented analysts, but few data wizards.  Jane was a very valuable resource.  Anyway, I get the very polite notice from UB that Jane was being moved off of my projects.  I replied saying "Thanks for letting me know, can we have a quick meeting?  I need to understand how your department will be fulfilling the SLA it has with me."

We have meeting.  I had escalated issue to my EVP, so the IT VP was in room.  UB starts talking about how Jane had had some complaints from internal clients and they were moving her to work on more internal projects.  I said "How you assign staff is up to you, but I have an inventory of the projects that Jane is working on and I need to know how you are going to fulfill the needs."  Projects 1-5 were all on the CEOs list of talking points when he spoke about future project enhancements.  The work required to do what Jane did was exhaustive, and she was wicked fast and accurate.  At the end of my description of the project tasks and skill sets needed to replace her the IT VP looked at UB and said "That sounds like 10 people, not 1.  How are you going to source that?"  UB just looked red in the face.  I then innocently asked "BTW, who were the clients that complained?  Based upon your allocation of billing Jane is 100 percent allocated to me, and as far as I can tell she's amazing.  I know the complaint didn't come from me.  UB gets more red, IT VP looks at UB with a questioning look.  UB says "it was an anonymous complaint."

Two weeks later Jane comes in my office closes the door, sits down and says:  "I just got a visit from the IT VP.  It seems that I'm being promoted and will now report to 'Other IT Director' instead of UB.  I have a new job accountability to train data literacy and ETL efficiency and am to be considered the model for how to partner with the business.  I asked ITVP how I'd gone from being told I was being moved away from client facing roles due to complaints to being used as the model for client facing roles and ITVPs reaction was odd.  She laughed loudly and then said that when a business unit Director would go to that much effort to make an IT Director look like a complete schmuck over what was clearly non-work related BS in defense of someone in a different department with the lowest analyst title possible, there was clearly a close relationship with the business.  I asked her to explain that further and then she just said ask you."

Sometimes office politics are the best defense for office politics.  UB lasted all of 6 months as a Director.  After that I got the email that said.  "UB no longer works for _company_."