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Electric bicycle wheel
« on: October 31, 2017, 09:22:52 AM »
Surely some of you here have seen the GeoOrbital electric bicycle wheel that was on the latest episode of Shark Tank. It seems like a great product and the perfect solution to the normal electric conversion kits, but the price point needs to come way down. I'd say if they got it below $500 I'd consider it. The current version will also only work with rim brakes, so for those like me who have disc brakes, we'll have to wait until they find a solution.

If you haven't heard of the product, check out this link https://www.geoo.com/

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Re: Electric bicycle wheel
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2017, 12:58:24 PM »
"Wheel" solutions for electric bikes are just awful.  They optimize for the one thing you do once (install it) at the cost of everything else.

That particular solution is a bit better cooled than many, but front wheel motors are pretty sketchy if you get any sort of rain or have hills (or both - spinning up the front is no fun).

You have a ton of unsprung mass, and are subjecting the battery and controller to that beating as well as the motor, for no good reason.

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Re: Electric bicycle wheel
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2017, 06:22:57 PM »
As above. Strapping a motor with all the associated stresses and torque to a fork that was never designed to handle those stresses or mount anything to, is a terrible idea. I've seen bent dropouts. bent fork blades and wheels that won't sit straight and start rubbing on the fork. I've also seen some downright dangerous home installs, and motors strapped on to inexpensive bikes that arguably aren't safe to ride even before the conversion.

Electric bikes are awesome and totally worth your time and money, especially if it gets you riding more. They're still really in their infancy for mass-market though, and just like everything else in life, you really do get what you pay for. As the guy who has to fix these things every day, I recommend you invest in a good one and you'll get good value out of it - try to save a few bucks on some kind of half-assed conversion and you'll end up spending that money twice.

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Re: Electric bicycle wheel
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2017, 07:46:59 AM »
Interesting, I hadn't thought about those aspects of it. Personally, I don't have much desire to put an electric kit on my bike now as it is.. just thought this was an interesting product. I enjoy the workout my ride to work gives me and having help would most likely decrease my desire to ride on most days.

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Re: Electric bicycle wheel
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2017, 09:44:52 AM »
Interesting, I hadn't thought about those aspects of it. Personally, I don't have much desire to put an electric kit on my bike now as it is.. just thought this was an interesting product. I enjoy the workout my ride to work gives me and having help would most likely decrease my desire to ride on most days.

I found quite the opposite - an electric bike made a bike radically more useful, year round, when I was commuting in Seattle.  I don't ride ebikes now mostly because I work from home (technically, a separate office on my property), and I live on a 55mph rural road.  Also, none of them are actually together and working, and I need to finish up a higher speed R&D build at some point.

But commuting daily, an ebike was easier than driving.  If I wanted a workout on the way home, I simply didn't turn the assist on.  The big thing it solved, for me, was arriving at work sweaty.  If it was warm, I'd be sweaty.  If it was cold, I'd be OK, but if I had rain gear on, well, I'd just sweat from the inside out.  Having a motor solved that nicely, and the higher speed made it a useful car replacement for an awful lot of stuff I wouldn't have taken a pure bike on (climbing a steep hill with a hiking backpack full of a large grocery run isn't fun on a regular bike, but not a big deal with the assist).

If you've got the bike thing going already, great - no reason to add a motor.  But it turns a bike into a car, in most urban areas.  A friend's family has an electric cargo bike, and his wife rides around with three kids and groceries in it all the time (she's a tiny woman, maybe 110lb soaking wet).  It opens up a lot of options for her to take them out, and she can get a few hundred pounds of kid and grocery up Seattle's hills at a useful pace.

But, as Ocelot notes, if you're going to do it, do it right.  And I have the firm opinion that a "wheel" style ebike is never the right way to do it.