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Efficient Cooling in the South
« on: May 26, 2015, 02:02:52 PM »
I am a relatively new Mustachian, and am excited about the journey that I am now on! Since finding this site in January, I've poured over almost all the posts (not quite up to the latest posts yet) and am loving what I am learning.

As a homeowner, the posts on home/energy efficiency have been both interesting and discouraging to me. You see, I am an engineer and love optimizing things; however, in the classic post I’ll show you my Electricity Bill if You show me Yours, even MMM concedes that in the South you need "some serious air conditioning".

Instead of being a complainypants and throwing in the Benjamin-stitched towel to the electric company, I am trying to find a way to keep my home efficiently cooled. My house is well insulated, has a radiant barrier, high-e windows with only a few facing south. But still I find myself running the AC nearly around the clock just to keep the house at 76 (the highest my wife will permit).

One of the ideas that I have reluctantly given up on, for now, is opening the windows at night. With Texas' 85+% humidity after sundown and bad allergies, it just doesn't work. Being an engineer I still can't give up on the idea, so I'm trying to come up with a design for something that will help.  I'm thinking if there were something like an AC window unit except that it took outside air and just filtered/dehumidified it, then you could cool your house at night using a lot less electricity. Even in Texas it drops into the low 70s for all but the three-four hottest months of the year, so for 4-5 of the AC months you could cool with night-time air to reduce your AC usage. I haven't found such a device and don't have time to build it myself, so I've submitted the idea to Quirky (an open design house). If you guys like the idea, please take a look here: Quirky - Venta Window Dehumidifier. I'm not trying to spam here, I genuinely want you guys feedback to see if anybody else would be interested in such a device and if you think it's feasible. If there are better ideas than this, I'd love to hear so I can try them out.

For those trying to cool in Texas and other Southern states, what do you guys do? Are there any good tricks or methods for keeping the house cool without living in a swamp of a house? I'd love to hear what other Southern Mustachians do to stay cool without burning a hole in their pocket.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2015, 02:46:50 PM »
I've lived in AL, GA, TX, and now NC. My best advice is learn to love the heat/humidity. I just think about how much I hate the cold and I'm happy to sweat it out for a couple of months per year. I hear you about the wife. Mine used to say similar things but she is more on board with keeping fixed costs low these days so we can reach FI a little faster. We tried the no AC challenge for as long as we could last summer and found out that it doesn't bother us too much until we started have several hot mornings/nights in a row. We ran the AC a little for those periods but she handled it better than I thought.

Even when I do run the AC it's mainly in the morning and evening so the system doesn't have to work too hard. If your house is pretty well insulated it does a good job of holding in cold air during the day. When we don't run the AC we leave windows open at night and in the morning to pull in as much cool air as possible. It might be humid but it's cooler than what it will be that afternoon.

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2015, 03:08:06 PM »
Even though we don't live in the South, we live in a part of the Midwest that has nasty, high humidity summers, so I feel your pain. We relish May and early June when it still drops at night below seventy and we can use window fans to bring that cold night air into the home.

This is an unconventional thought, but what about a window unit in the room you sleep? We did this in our bedroom and left the rest of the house at 80 at night. That way we were only cooling our bedroom for sleep. Now that we have children, we leave the rest of the house at 78 and still cool our bedroom with the window unit. Usually if we bring the temp down in there, we can turn it off by midnight and circulate the cooler air with a ceiling fan.

Just a thought.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2015, 03:24:39 PM »
The ionic dehumidifier units I see seem to be for very small enclosed areas (cabinets), not sure how much it would cost to scale up?

Those low nighttime 70's usually come in in the wee hours of the morning, not at 10-11 pm when you are still tossing and turning because you are sticky and uncomfortable.

You may thing your AC is doing "nothing" with the cooler outside air at night, but it does work much more efficently at night since the outdoor unit can "dump" heat more effectively.

AC running around the clock is a good thing! More efficient than a large unit that cycles more often.  Ours will fall behind a little on 95+ days running, but catches up in the evening for bedtime so all is good, fans and cold beverages make up the difference during the day.

Other things to consider:

Small one story house seemed better than a similar size/construction two story.  We have a two story now with about the same sq ft as our old 1 story.  Keeping the upstairs much below 78-80 or so is impossible without unneeded cooling of the downstairs, but the kids don't seem to mind too much.  They run their ceiling fans at night.  Not sure what you have but, I know what I would buy next go round. 

Window awnings-I built three on the south side windows and it keeps out 100% of the direct sun without blocking the view or ambient light.

Fast growing trees- I have a tulip poplar that is quickly blocking all direct sun from the west in the evenings.     

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2015, 03:34:57 PM »
I have the TOU rate for electric vehicles (and 2 EVs). It's super cheap at night. So I crank the AC overnight to 72 and cool the place down (which helps me sleep, which is a huge value to me). And then I don't care if it warms up some in the middle of the day (when rates are higher) because the ACs are off. It's still no warmer than 80 in the middle of the day before 7 (when the rates drop a bit). I have the thermostats programmed so this happens automatically.

Even with the 2 cars, and keeping it comfortable, my electric bill ends up being around $100 in the summer (GA).

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2015, 03:48:25 PM »
I second embracing the heat/humidity.  I live in TN.  Admittedly, I like it hot.  I detest winter.  But so many people turn on their AC the minute it gets even a little bit warm.  You have got to acclimate and just basically learn to be okay with being a little uncomfortable. 

Granted, I can handle that during the day, but not at night.  We run our AC at night.  It essentially cools the house down enough that we can turn it off again in the morning.  We have enough trees in the yard, providing enough shade so that the house stays relatively cool until evening when it can start feeling a bit sticky.  (We go up to about 78-80 during the day)  So, I put it back on so our boys will settle down before bedtime and we can all sleep well. 

I don't know if it's the best plan, but it's worked the past two summers so that we aren't running the AC all day long. 

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2015, 09:48:00 AM »
If you can manage to find a house with a few big trees shading your south and west sides you'll have a huge advantage.  I live in south florida and it's amazing how much cooler a thick layer of greenery can be by preventing sunlight from touching your home, driveway/lawn/patio. 

Living on a lake or other large body of water helps too - moderates temps a bit and allows a breeze to move slightly cooler air over your property. Usually not a mustachian buy though...

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2015, 10:01:16 AM »
Man if you figure something out on this please let us know.

Mrs. Money Beard runs the AC to keep the house around 75...  then when we go down to the basement to watch netflix after the little money beards are asleep in their beds, she is trying to run the gas fireplace just because its 69 down there, due to her running the AC all day!  This inevitably causes marital strife.

So I'd love some easy fix for this problem.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2015, 10:12:57 AM »
If you can manage to find a house with a few big trees shading your south and west sides you'll have a huge advantage.  I live in south florida and it's amazing how much cooler a thick layer of greenery can be by preventing sunlight from touching your home, driveway/lawn/patio. 

Living on a lake or other large body of water helps too - moderates temps a bit and allows a breeze to move slightly cooler air over your property. Usually not a mustachian buy though...

+1

I don't live in the south but when we moved into our home we made sure we planted shrubs and trees to cool the house in summer.  Low shrubs close to the house (but not too close) and large to small trees enough to shade the house without touching the house (look at the mature size before planting) does make a big difference in cooling costs and comfort.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2015, 10:13:46 AM »
TEXAS!! ENGINEER!! Hello my brother.

No solution for it.... Do what you can, and it sounds like you have.

We have found reducing interior humidity helps higher temps feel more bearable. Get a $12 humidity meter and see where you are.

We manage to keep the house 80. We have a fancy-pants 2-stage AC system, set at 80 the small 1.5ton compressor runs darn near 100% on the hottest days. This is perfect as it keeps humidity low, right around 40% and is most efficient.

good luck!

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2015, 10:15:44 AM »
Couple items that might help.

Much of the year for us things are cool evenings and mornings.  A whole house fan and some cracked windows pulls the cool air thru the house and into the attic.  This cools the house off a great deal so that we don't need to start the AC until late in the day.  If the north and/or west sides of the house are shaded you can run this until quite late in the morning.

We then had a child who needed a very cool room to deal with a skin condition.  What we did was put just a room AC in his room.  As an engineer myself I thought this would only be more efficient than cooling the whole house to the temps he needed but we found that it seem to lower the cost of cooling the house overall.  Not sure of the mechanism here but maybe a small unit running flat out much of the time is more efficient than the big unit switching on and off?

We do keep the AC fan on all the time to move the air.  The rooms have ceiling fans which help in both winter and summer.  Change the direction of the ceiling fans as needed!  Blowing down on you cools, pulling up mixes the air in the room and makes for more even warmth in the winter.

Last item, I added a misting system on the heat exchanger outside the house.  You can buy these but I rigged up my own with a simple electric switch and lawn sprinkler valve.  The cool mist makes the unit more efficient.  The cost of the water is way less than the cost of the electricity to run the unit (at least where we live).

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2015, 10:29:48 AM »
The ionic dehumidifier units I see seem to be for very small enclosed areas (cabinets), not sure how much it would cost to scale up?



2nd.

I live in Houston and bought a dehumidifier to try and make it cooler by taking some humidity out, but it just doesn't work. I can get it down to about 60% humidity from 75 but that's usually it and the next day its up over 70 because you have heat and humidity coming thru your windows, walls and doors and a 1 room dehumidifier cannot compete.

my best advice would be to get a room a/c unit and/or improve your a/c system by cleaning the ducts and/or replacing them.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2015, 10:37:09 AM »
Shorts, flip flops and two fans pointed at you at night and you can live AC free.   I did it an entire summer in Missouri with 6 weeks over 100 and 80 percent humidity.

But I doubt you will want to thermally adapt.

In that case check with your local utility and see if they have a subsidy for a home energy audit.   Ours pays $200 on the $300 cost.   It is still worth it if they don't. 

Be sure the person is HERRS certified and uses a blow door/vent tester as well as a heat camera.   

Turn you water heater to it's lowest setting.   Use only LED lights.   No oven usage.   

Fans pointed at you can add 5-6 degrees to the comfortable temp so you could get away with 78 degrees.   

Grow shade trees.     

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2015, 10:41:30 AM »
Born, raised, currently live in Atlanta.  So I'm used to sweltering summers.  Growing up, we kept the house temp in the upper 70s, sometimes 80 upstairs.  An ex-girlfriend's parents kept theirs at 85.  At night!!!

Whenever the nighttime temps dip down below 70, my windows are open and the whole-house attic fan is sucking in the cool air.  Yes, it is more humid but by morning, it is almost chilly in the house.  Close all the windows at dawn, quick run of the a/c to dry out that air inside the house, and it stays cool all day long with no A/C needed until the following evening when it reaches about 76-77 downstairs and about 80 upstairs.  Ceiling fans alone keep it comfortable enough.  I do have several large trees shading my 2-story house with 1970's-era insulation (but new double-pane windows, thankfully).  I should probably have 2-3" more insulation blown into my attic at some point, esp. for winter.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2015, 10:42:53 AM »
Is a window unit really more efficient than running the central air? I guess it depends on the size of the house but window units are very inefficient.

Expensive: Get a central AC with a dehumidifier only cycle. Some split systems also have a separate dehumidifier.

Cheap: Are you on pier & beam? Lay down some 10mm poly in the crawl space. That will keep moisture from rising. Also use ceiling fans liberally.

Otherwise, accept it and rejoice in the fact that you only have to run the heat for 3 days a year.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2015, 11:36:28 AM »
Texas here, with south- and west-facing windows downstairs.  Last year I invested in energy-efficient blinds and they are incredible.  Last summer I did not have to run the downstairs air conditioner at all.  Upstairs, where it gets hotter, I run the a/c in the evenings to bring it down to 78, and turn it off before bed and sleep with a fan, sometimes with the window open.




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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2015, 12:32:04 PM »
Is a window unit really more efficient than running the central air? I guess it depends on the size of the house but window units are very inefficient.

At least in our house (almost 100 years old), the bedrooms are upstairs and routinely 5+ degrees warmer all year round. For us to cool the bedroom to what we would like for sleep, we would need to put the thermostat at 72 or lower, which means the central unit would be running all night and the main level would be too cold in the morning. By turning off the main unit at night, opening most windows and putting window fans in, and just running the window unit in our room, we definitely save money.

A very expensive solution -- install solar panels that reflect sun off your roof. We've really noticed a difference, but that also means it is colder in the winter. YMMV.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2015, 12:55:57 PM »
Shade trees can make a huge difference.  A co-worker who lost a tree in a tornado several years ago told me that her electric bill went up over a hundred dollars a month.  If you don't have trees, you might want to look into planting some fast growing trees that will get big enough to shade the house. 

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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2015, 01:01:26 PM »
I live in Phoenix, so I know a thing or two on this subject.  I will add to the cellular shades help a LOT on the south and west facing windows.  I also built solar screens that seem to help a lot in keeping the sun out and heat off the windows.  The downside to them are on cooler days, they let almost zero breeze in. 

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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2015, 01:06:59 PM »
Also Texas here and I feel ya. We're working to bring ours down too but we seem to have stalled ($75 a month give or take) Hopefully you haven't already tried some of these:

1. Use Ceiling fans, ALL THE TIME! Set your fan to turn on when you flip the light switch.

2. Be responsible with heat generating electronics. A lot of heat comes from computers/routers/etc. Pick a room in your house, take all the electronics out and close the door and you'll be surprised how much cooler it is in there. If possible, try to move electronics away from people. And don't forget incandescent bulbs generate a ton of heat too!

3. If your electric plan has variable rates take advantage of them. We never start laundry or the dishwasher before 9pm (when or power is discounted) If this doesn't apply to you change your plan! Some companies (like TXU) don't charge for use over night (like 9 to 6 I think though other times are available) in return for increased cost during the day (like .16 kwh I think). If you have an idea of when you use the most electricity (or your wife uses the most AC) you can take advantage of this and let her cool the house to whatever she wants as long as its in those hours.

4. Insulate everything! Your attic, your roof, your garage door, the water heater, EVERYTHING!

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2015, 01:14:10 PM »
A very expensive solution -- install solar panels that reflect sun off your roof. We've really noticed a difference, but that also means it is colder in the winter. YMMV.

Solar panels don't reflect sun, they absorb it.  Most panels will get burning hot to the touch when in direct sun . . . that's why in the winter if even a tiny corner of the panel is exposed to the sun they will melt the rest of the snow off.  Maybe you're getting some kind of shade effect because the panels are lifted a few inches clear of the roof?

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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2015, 01:21:11 PM »
A very expensive solution -- install solar panels that reflect sun off your roof. We've really noticed a difference, but that also means it is colder in the winter. YMMV.

Solar panels don't reflect sun, they absorb it.  Most panels will get burning hot to the touch when in direct sun . . . that's why in the winter if even a tiny corner of the panel is exposed to the sun they will melt the rest of the snow off.  Maybe you're getting some kind of shade effect because the panels are lifted a few inches clear of the roof?

That makes more sense the way you describe it. All I know is that our upstairs rooms went from being hellishly hot in the summer to just miserably hot. The difference was noticeable.

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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2015, 02:04:02 PM »
A very expensive solution -- install solar panels that reflect sun off your roof. We've really noticed a difference, but that also means it is colder in the winter. YMMV.

Solar panels don't reflect sun, they absorb it.  Most panels will get burning hot to the touch when in direct sun . . . that's why in the winter if even a tiny corner of the panel is exposed to the sun they will melt the rest of the snow off.  Maybe you're getting some kind of shade effect because the panels are lifted a few inches clear of the roof?

That makes more sense the way you describe it. All I know is that our upstairs rooms went from being hellishly hot in the summer to just miserably hot. The difference was noticeable.

Mainly two things going on, thermal radiation from the sun is being converted to electricity, and if it's elevated off your roof, there's limited conduction while providing shade. Wind blows between the panel and your roof, pulling the heat away from the panel and your roof. All of this adds to less heat reaching your attic, and your upstairs being noticeably cooler.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2015, 02:40:35 PM »
Buy a modern condo. We keep our 1800 square foot home in NC at 68 degrees at night! Summer AC bill is about 80 bucks a month.

Our home is only exposed on two sides, which makes the utility bills stupidly low.

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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2015, 03:30:09 PM »
All-screen 8x12 tent in the yard with a couple of cots-- to get up out of the fire ants.  The poor man's sleeping porch.

But you are going to find that it "gets into the 70s" on midsummer nights for only about two hours, just before dawn.  Frequently its in the low 90s (or so) even at midnight in Dallas, Austin, Houston.

Yeah, it cools off real nice after sundown up in the Davis Mountains.  But nobody lives out there.

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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2015, 03:49:47 PM »
Props to you guys. I'm a Northerner looking for advice. We're getting mid 80's this week with high humidity and I'm itching to turn on the AC but can't bring myself to do it since I know I'll cave later this summer. I have a simple window fan that successfully drops the the temperature of my bedroom down a few degrees but does diddly squat about the humidity. Must... not... waste... electricity...

That being said, I love the winter and can happily survive minimum heat. Growing up the heat never went above 60 during the day and stayed at 55 at night. Give me sweaters and jackets over shorts and tanks any day.

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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2015, 09:52:01 PM »
My heart goes out to you who live in the humidity: I can't hack it.

Also not a big fan of excessive heat. I've planted (some in pots) the mega tall sunflower plants. Unlike trees, they'll give shade within about 3 weeks, and last until fall.

If you can beat the birds to them, you get snacks!

This year (haven't yet, but gonna) run that shadecloth fabric between two trees to totally keep sun off the west side of the house.

And...on really hot days when I get home from work and the house is an oven, I've been known to take my clothes off and use a plant mister until I could get the ac to cooperate. Evaporative cooling works quicker, naked.  ;-0

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2015, 12:04:30 AM »
I am in the Philippines but it is miserably hot right now in the lead up to the rainy season. We have some of the highest power bills in the world here so this is a topic that I am interested in!

During the day, the curtains stay closed and all doors are shut throughout the house so unused rooms stay closed off. The living room has two fans going constantly and a large dehumifier going. That seems to do the job for me.

I tolerate a higher temperature than most (80-85 degrees is fine by me so long as it isn't accompanied by high humidity)

I also make my own facial spritzer. Its distilled water, with peppermint oil and a little coconut oil. That is really nice and cooling too.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2015, 12:13:58 AM »
don't know if this is going to be helpful but what about wetting a  t shirt in cold water. wringing it out and wearing it around? I find that helps me when im hot

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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2015, 06:14:18 AM »
The wet t-shirt trick works great if it's dry and warm.  If it's very humid and warm it doesn't.  You just end up being wet and uncomfortable for a long while because the water doesn't evaporate.

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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2015, 06:44:48 AM »
High ceilings
One story house
Good insulation for the roof /attic
Trees placed in appropriate spots
Porches to shade windows
Cover the windows on the sunny side of the house
Windows with low-E ratings
Ceiling fans
Avoid running the oven
Get up early to do your outdoor work; reserve mid-day for resting and lounging.
Keep the air running at a low (or should I say high?) level all the time; turning it up and down costs more in the long run.

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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2015, 06:52:02 AM »
Why would leaving air conditioning running all the time cost less than say, turning it on in the evening so you can sleep well, and off the rest of the time?

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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2015, 06:55:59 AM »
I live in Houston and hate the humidity, especially at night since I won't get any sleep.

My solution is to just run the AC and take the hit on my entertainment budget. Net higher happiness.

My current accommodation doesn't have any south facing windows, which helps, but I find it depressing to be in the dark all day. I think I prefer bright sunlight and having the AC more. Light bulbs just don't compare to the sun.

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« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2015, 07:20:54 AM »
I'm also in Houston. I run a small a/c unit in the bedroom at night, set it to 80 or 82 during the day and 75 when we're home. Having a very slightly fuller mustache is not worth being disgusting and miserable.

I used the same portable a/c unit in Tucson, AZ and I never bothered to hook up a condensation catch. Even though I know its humid in Houston I was shocked at how much eater must be collected every night. Lately its been at least three gallons per night. Phase changing all that water is pretty expensive. A good reason not to open your windows at night.
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« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2015, 08:05:35 AM »
Keep the air running at a low (or should I say high?) level all the time; turning it up and down costs more in the long run.

This is a myth. Your system is either on or off. It costs money when it is on. It doesn't cost money when it is off. If you jack up or turn off your air overnight or when you are not home, you will save money, precisely because it will run less. You will likely be less comfortable, at least for a time, but you will save money.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2015, 08:26:11 AM »
Attic fans to move out the very hot air can help quite a bit. An efficient attic will have open dormers that bring in air under the eaves, and radiate it out the top through the roof vent. If you can keep the air moving through the attic, that acts a thermal heatsink to pull heat out of the house. Whole-house fans use this principle to move air into the attic, which creates high pressure in there and forces hot air out through the roof vent. Attic fans create lateral air movement to make this more efficient. We added attic fans when we lived in Virginia, which reduced our electric usage about $70/month in the summer.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2015, 08:53:28 AM »
When I was growing up outside of Charlotte we did not have central air.  We had high ceilings 10 ft and lot and lots of giant (70+ ft) hardwood trees.  The only time I remember being really miserable was at night.  My parents had a window unit in their room and we all slept in there on hot nights.  I got a window unit for my 10th birthday (in January) in my bedroom.

I personally like the idea of having built in AC units in each room like they have many other places outside the US.  That way you can only cool the rooms that you are in.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2015, 10:20:46 AM »
Why would leaving air conditioning running all the time cost less than say, turning it on in the evening so you can sleep well, and off the rest of the time?

Because most people don't understand simple heat transfer principles, and that AC units are either on or off. They are not variable.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2015, 11:05:10 AM »
Fellow engineer here, with an interest in green building and HVAC.

Being an engineer I still can't give up on the idea, so I'm trying to come up with a design for something that will help.  I'm thinking if there were something like an AC window unit except that it took outside air and just filtered/dehumidified it, then you could cool your house at night using a lot less electricity.

Here's a previous forum post on dehumidifiers. Unfortunately, dehumidifying outdoor air takes more energy than cooling low-humidity indoor air.

Window A/C units do save energy because people use them less.
West-facing windows matter, too, not just windows facing the equator.

Reduce loads, in rough order of importance:
Put external shades or awnings on west-facing windows; internal shades are a lot less effective.
Seal and insulate your ducts, especially if they are outside the house's conditioned envelope, double especially if they are in the attic.
Air seal your house to reduce infiltration, which adds to both latent and sensible loads. Pay attention to all the usual culprits, like can lights.
Insulate your attic.
Put external shades or awnings on windows pointing toward the equator, especially those facing more westward.
Grill food outside or put a slow cooker in the garage instead of cooking inside.
Reduce electrical usage overall. For example, turn off the computer when not in use.
Keep showers cool and short.
Turn off fans when no one is within the air stream, otherwise they are heaters.
Use smaller, well directed fans rather than large-area fans.
Don't exercise inside.

Improve comfort:
Shorts, tank tops, linen, no socks or shoes
Bed fan for sleeping
Don't use blankets
Webbed or woven furniture rather than furniture with pillows
Eat less hot food
Popsicles

Why would leaving air conditioning running all the time cost less than say, turning it on in the evening so you can sleep well, and off the rest of the time?

Because most people don't understand simple heat transfer principles, and that AC units are either on or off. They are not variable.

Mini-splits are variable and are more efficient at lower speeds. Otherwise, you're right.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2015, 12:06:27 PM »
I've always wanted showers to be completely sealed off from the rest of the room. Heating and humidifying the entire bathroom just so you can have a cold draft on your nuts and a foggy mirror is stupid. Also a duct and exhaust fan circuit that draws and dumps outside would be sweet.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2015, 01:37:30 PM »
Grill food outside or put a slow cooker in the garage instead of cooking inside.

This is the type of thing that many people don't consider. I mentioned once to my neighbor that I don't bake much in the summer, because I don't want to heat the whole house. She was like - "Huh. I never thought of that." I don't think she's in the minority. People before air conditioning were much more savvy and had cold salads and things for lunch.

I have to admit that it didn't cross my mind until recently to put my slow cooker on an outside plug on the deck. When the lightbulb went on, I was both pleased with myself and a little embarrassed I hadn't thought of it sooner.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2015, 02:53:31 PM »
Why would leaving air conditioning running all the time cost less than say, turning it on in the evening so you can sleep well, and off the rest of the time?

Because most people don't understand simple heat transfer principles, and that AC units are either on or off. They are not variable.

While this is true, the startup surge is large and, probably more important, the heat transfer medium had to be compressed/vacuumed and both sets of coils brought to operating temperature and air flow started.  This is why a heat or air systems doesn't just have one set point and cycle on/off quickly.  (Not just efficiency--the load of turning on/off constantly is hard on the unit.) There is a temperature spread with hysteresis so you go a couple degrees above/below the set point before the system turns on or off.

The fan on our system is two speed.  It can run at low speed and then kick into high when the heat or AC kicks on.

In spite of all this, I was surprised to find our cooling costs dropped with a small AC running almost full time in one room and that room kept colder.  Maybe we shifted the temp up for the rest of the house and I just forgot about it.  I don't think so, but it is possible.  Could be that room is close enough to the thermostat that air from under the bedroom door keeps the main AC from coming on as much--i.e. the rest of the house is warmer even though we didn't change the thermostat settings.


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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2015, 07:32:33 PM »
Attic fans to move out the very hot air can help quite a bit. An efficient attic will have open dormers that bring in air under the eaves, and radiate it out the top through the roof vent. If you can keep the air moving through the attic, that acts a thermal heatsink to pull heat out of the house. Whole-house fans use this principle to move air into the attic, which creates high pressure in there and forces hot air out through the roof vent. Attic fans create lateral air movement to make this more efficient.

This is all absolutely true, but whether and how well a whole-house or attic fan will work to cool your home is a function of the home.  I grew up in a house with an attic fan (and no a/c) and now have a whole-house fan (plus a/c), and am a ... fan.  But my understanding is that it's important the space being vented is designed (or adapted) for such functioning, or the fan won't accomplish much.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2015, 10:22:02 PM »
Living in Louisiana it gets hot.  Every moth of the year I run the A/C if I feel the least bit hot.  It's a luxury I will always indulge in because I love cool and DRY air.  My electic bill averages about $200.  We're all electric so a lot of that is hot water because I like long hot showers and tub soaks.  Another luxury I won't be giving up on land at least.  Yep I know what 25 times $200 a month is.  Don't care because I've got that covered.  If y'all figure out a way to create cool dry air in my home in the swamps I'm all ears.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2015, 07:16:59 PM »
The best things to do in the South, to reduce cooling costs:

1.  Seal ducts (this is critical; it's estimated that 35% of cooling air flow is lost from leaking ducts)
2.  Seal the home (weatherstrip doors, chimney balloon, all penetrations from the attic to the living space, etc.)
3.  Insulate the attic

Only insulate the attic after sealing all penetrations from the attic to the living space.  The above three items will give the best return on investment. 

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2015, 06:20:07 AM »
Big picture: earth sheLtered house. We move into ours two years ago and I've never been so comfortable for so little, winter and summer, in a lifetime in the Deep South. One step down: if you have a basement, finish it. My childhood bedroom was in the basement and I was never uncomfortable before we got AC when I was in high school


Medium picture: put on a light colored roof the next time you have to reroof. Insulate as well as you can given wall thickness. +1 to trees to the south and west of the house, or sunflowers, or even peas on a trellis. You want to shade the walls as well as the windows, so this is better than blinds (should you decide to build, look up the sun angles and build with enough roof overhand to shade the south windows in summer - it isn't as much as you might think). A whole house fan will help in spring and fall, but won't do much midsummer unless you're in the mountains. It's great when you bun something in the kitchen, though!


Smaller picture: you do have ceiling fans, right? Put them in every room that isn't a bathroom if not. They're easy. +1 to setting up the summer kitchen. Mine's in full swing now - countertop convection oven goes outside to cook, as does the crock pot if there's no rain in the forecast (covered area still under construction here).


Finally, plan on spending some on dehumidifying regardless of what you do, even if you go without AC. If you don't, especially in a tight modern house, you'll lose leather, paper, and maybe wooden items to mold. Even a well-ventilated old house isn't immune. You can put absorbent crystals in closets to mitigate most of it rather than using a compressor, but that's not as effective and still has a cost.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2015, 02:17:57 PM »
My South Florida summer electric bill runs between $70-80 /month.  This is because 1) tree canopy, 2) crawl space insulation, 3) turbine vents to move hot air out of the crawl space and 4) when we replaced the roof, we used the lightest color shingles allowed by our HOA.  We do other things like grill outside and if temperatures are lower than our AC settings we take advantage of cross ventilation and open windows, but those are behavioral modifications.  The tree canopy and the turbine vents are especially effective in bringing down costs.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2015, 06:21:54 PM »
My South Florida summer electric bill runs between $70-80 /month.  This is because 1) tree canopy, 2) crawl space insulation, 3) turbine vents to move hot air out of the crawl space and 4) when we replaced the roof, we used the lightest color shingles allowed by our HOA.  We do other things like grill outside and if temperatures are lower than our AC settings we take advantage of cross ventilation and open windows, but those are behavioral modifications.  The tree canopy and the turbine vents are especially effective in bringing down costs.


Oh, yes, if you have a crawl space you need to insulate. If you build, build on slab.

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Re: Efficient Cooling in the South
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2016, 12:11:56 PM »
Just updating a previous post -

I blew about 10-12" of fiberglass into my attic, capped the stair/ladder with an insulated cover, and built an insulated cover for the attic fan.  My natural gas usage is down about 20% this winter vs. last winter (measured in January - December was far too warm to use the heat in GA). 

The power company reimbursed 50% of the $300 cost to DIY. 

So, basically the payoff will be done by the summer is over this year.  I expect this will keep things cooler in the dog-days of summer.