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Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« on: November 10, 2016, 09:55:38 AM »
Hi folks, anyone hosted guests on Air BnB, also wondering if you did  can you recommend any resources to learn the best way to do it right off the bat?

I have a space and considering hosting. Heard from one friend that he had a bad experience whereby he had 3 'guests' at his place and they tried to steal his stuff, turned out they used stolen ID and credit cards. He said he usually only takes people with a track record but in this case was in a hurry so didnt and regretted it.

Heard from other friends that its a great thing.

I see there are courses like learn Air BnB  but they want something like 750 USD 

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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2016, 10:00:11 AM »
Paula at afford anything has a multi-part write-up on hosting on airbnb. It starts here: http://affordanything.com/2014/03/20/airbnb-experiment-impulsively-started-vacation-rental-business/

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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2016, 10:06:52 AM »
I certainly wouldn't pay for an AirBnB course--what you need to know you can learn for free.  I think you've already gotten a suggestion for a good way to start--only accept guests with long track records and good reviews.  I'm sure you'll get plenty of other specific advice here as well.

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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2016, 10:50:03 AM »
Paula at afford anything has a multi-part write-up on hosting on airbnb. It starts here: http://affordanything.com/2014/03/20/airbnb-experiment-impulsively-started-vacation-rental-business/

Great articles with a focus on a professional high-end $99-125/night AirBnB.

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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2016, 08:39:44 PM »
Are you going to do a shared room, private room, or whole house/apartment?  For the last 6 months I did "private room" and rented the master bedroom in my house because I mostly sleep at my BFs but I need the office in my house to work.

Most of the stays are over the weekend so I often wasn't home while the people were.

I used a lockbox.  I had the lockbox hidden from the street but visible from the front door.  A lot of idiots couldn't find it because they didn't read.
I have a lot of stuff hooked up to SmartThings because I like to keep the hvac and most of the rest of the stuff off all the time, but I would set the thermostat and turn on lights when someone checked in and turn it off at check out time.  I also have cameras at my front door and a smart deadbolt that would alert me when it was locked/unlocked so I could tell when people checked out so I could start laundry.

A lot of people don't understand that not everything is "whole house" so they didn't understand why I might be there.  I also spelled it out clearly in my listing that I work from home so I would be home during business hours. 
No one reads the listings though.

Recommendations:
*White towels
*hide all cleaning supplies (i had people put sink dish soap in my dishwasher even though i said they didn't need to run the dishwasher)
*lock your laundry room (someone washed new jeans with my towels and dyed my towels.  I have no clue why she was washing my towels)
*make sure you have a security deposit on your listing.  If you don't you are at the guest's mercy to agree to pay for damage.
*buy cheap toilet paper because if you buy nice stuff people will steal it.  I went through 40 rolls of White Cloud in 15 stays.  I switched to the cheapest crap at Wallyworld and now a roll lasts a few visits.
*label everything and leave documentation.  That doesn't always help, but at least you tried.

I stopped hosting because it wasn't worth the hassle anymore. 


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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2016, 09:01:40 PM »
Are you going to do a shared room, private room, or whole house/apartment?  For the last 6 months I did "private room" and rented the master bedroom in my house because I mostly sleep at my BFs but I need the office in my house to work.

Most of the stays are over the weekend so I often wasn't home while the people were.

I used a lockbox.  I had the lockbox hidden from the street but visible from the front door.  A lot of idiots couldn't find it because they didn't read.
I have a lot of stuff hooked up to SmartThings because I like to keep the hvac and most of the rest of the stuff off all the time, but I would set the thermostat and turn on lights when someone checked in and turn it off at check out time.  I also have cameras at my front door and a smart deadbolt that would alert me when it was locked/unlocked so I could tell when people checked out so I could start laundry.

A lot of people don't understand that not everything is "whole house" so they didn't understand why I might be there.  I also spelled it out clearly in my listing that I work from home so I would be home during business hours. 
No one reads the listings though.

Recommendations:
*White towels
*hide all cleaning supplies (i had people put sink dish soap in my dishwasher even though i said they didn't need to run the dishwasher)
*lock your laundry room (someone washed new jeans with my towels and dyed my towels.  I have no clue why she was washing my towels)
*make sure you have a security deposit on your listing.  If you don't you are at the guest's mercy to agree to pay for damage.
*buy cheap toilet paper because if you buy nice stuff people will steal it.  I went through 40 rolls of White Cloud in 15 stays.  I switched to the cheapest crap at Wallyworld and now a roll lasts a few visits.
*label everything and leave documentation.  That doesn't always help, but at least you tried.

I stopped hosting because it wasn't worth the hassle anymore. 


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Hi and thanks.. thats interesting to hear. How many people did you host in total before calling it a day?

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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2016, 09:59:44 AM »
I hosted 22 stays.  One of them was a 6 week stay since my city has very few options for short term furnished rentals.

Of them, 20 were pretty good guests but the 2 bad ones were bad enough to turn me away.  I had my guest filter pretty high.  Only verified guests and only with at least 1 positive review.  I had instantbook turned on, but a lot of the hosts on the various host forums prefer to not use instantbook and have an email exchange to further screen guests.  AirBnB, especially in light of the discrimination issues,  has been emphasizing instantbook listing.

I didn't use smart pricing.  I looked at similar listings in my area and set myself slightly higher since they were getting a master bedroom instead of a guest bedroom and were pretty much getting a whole house listing for the price of a private room. 
I'm trying to convince my BF to move into my place since my house is nicer than his condo and I have space for his stuff in my place but his place doesn't have room for my stuff so that is the main reason why I stopped hosting.  If I resume hosting in the future I will probably just rent office space for $300/month and list as a "business ready" whole house listing because then I can charge twice as much and recoup the cost of the office in one week.  I would also hire a professional cleaner because people have much higher standards of cleanliness than I do.  You'd be amazed how many people check under the bed for dust.  My house is too big to pay a cleaner between each stay without really skewing my cost.  You can add a cleaning fee, but no one is going to pay a $100 cleaning fee on top of a $60/night room rate.  If I moved to "whole house" and became a business ready listing I could get business travelers staying for a whole week instead of leisure travelers staying for the weekend so I could charge a $40 cleaning fee and $120/night and come out ahead.

I didn't really have any personal stuff out besides books in my book case so no one really had an opportunity to go through my things, but I do have food here and they'd eat that.  I had coffee, tea, milk, and cereal/oatmeal that I indicated were for them...so they'd drink all my beer.  The joke is on them though since that beer is over a year old.

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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2016, 10:45:45 AM »
I do think the type of rental matters.

My aunt was raving to me just this morning about how nice and friendly all her AirBnB guests have been and what interesting conversations she's had with them.  At one point she said, "I guess it's partly that anyone who can afford to travel here on vacation is likely to have a certain level of education." I pointed out that her property is a converted one-room schoolhouse in the middle of a field in rural Maine, so she's not likely to get wild party animals or all-night club-hoppers staying there. It's a whole-house rental, so there's no issue of guests using her food or toiletries.

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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2016, 10:56:35 AM »
I am not a host, I am a guest.

When choosing guests you can go and see their rating and comments of other hosts about these guests.
My bf and I have already many comments of many hosts from different parts of the world. People generally tell in what condition we left an apartment, what kind of people we are.

Same for guests - we prefer apartments with many comments of those who stayed.

There are risks of course. Our host in Munich, Germany told us that a nice looking businessman stayed in her apartment (very nice btw) and stole small egg cooker! LOL There were other people who broke a table etc. There will be incidents and you should budget for them of course!

Good luck!


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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2016, 11:53:57 AM »

I stopped hosting because it wasn't worth the hassle anymore. 


We've hosted about 50 stays and just quit, mostly because our city has a new lodging tax/cert that I'm not about to pay.

We have had no problems at all. We've been judicious with who we accept, only accepting people with a track record of good reviews. We also have had absolutely zero problems with tenants taking anything (including our nice TP). As long as you keep the space clean you should be good. I'd also invest in an electronic lock (~$100) well well worth it to generate a new code for each new stay, as well as "charge" a deposit. I've found it more difficult to deal with older tenants than younger, as they expect it to be a hotel so are more apt to complain, our last couple were in their 60's and gave us 4* saying "you should provide cable and a kuerig" yeah, not going to happen, you just stayed in a nice place for $50/night - you can take the extra minute to brew a regular pot of coffee (coffee was even included!) haha
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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2016, 02:44:48 AM »
I did and got burnt from the very first time!
One girl who decided to leave the place in the middle of our holidays and asked for a refund! They also left the place with damages (small).

Still, as long as you don't take "newbies" and look at the comments, I'd recommend it - for the $$$.
I wouldn't rate the AirBnb customer service very high and believe (according to mates who do regularly) that it's really a lot of hasle and organization for not a lot of return unless you leave in a very touristy place.

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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2016, 09:52:03 AM »
Regarding cleaning fee comments above: I regularly pay a cleaning fee as a guest. So much so I've come to expect it. $50 per night for 3 nights will cost $150 plus service fee plus cleaning fee. The web site does a good job of calculating the total cost for you when you put in the dates.

Ditto for taxes.

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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2016, 12:39:34 PM »
First of all, you are doing the right thing educating yourself and learning about the vacation rental business.   

Whether you are renting one bedroom or an entire property, one word of advice, do not start with AirBnb.   Do not start being schooled about this business using AirBnb as guidance.   AirBnb is a good resource to LIST your property but NOT a good place to learn about it because most people are beginner who are not serious about it and -- based on my experience -- are very informal about it.

HomeAway and VRBO were the top places to list.  They have a forum at the following URL

https://community.homeaway.com/community/us

They were bought by Expedia a year ago and have changed dramatically.   Despite it, their forums are a good resource to learn about it.  Most owners on HomeAway are formal and professional about it.   Most people with AirBnB are NOT.   

AirBnb offers a professional photographer at no cost to you.   This will make a significant difference versus taking photos yourself, whether you use a digital SLR camera or your iPhone.

If you need additional info, PM me. 


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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2016, 12:11:00 PM »
Although we have a slightly different situation, we found this book very helpful:  https://www.amazon.com/Rent-Vacation-Properties-Owner-Third/dp/0974824976/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1479236534&sr=1-2&keywords=vacation+rentals  The Kindle version is ten bucks.

I have read several books/resources and this one set the stage.  It discusses the value of professional photos, good ad copy.  No doubt you know all of this already but it good to have it reinforced with examples.  Also useful are the resources contained in the book such as a sales tax service they recommend, who will address the reporting requirements for your area for 50.00 a year.

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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2016, 12:55:19 PM »
We have a lot of experience as both landlords and guest on AirBnB.  We've had positive experiences throughout.

As hosts:
We have a standalone backyard cottage (basically a 400-sf studio apartment) in Seattle that we rent out on AirBnB.  We've done so for at least 3 years.  It completely pays our mortgage, which includes having refinanced to pay for part of the construction cost of the cottage.  We're pretty conveniently located for people visiting the University of Washington or downtown Seattle.  The "regular" rental market is very tight in Seattle these days, which also makes AirBnB attractive for people staying multiple months at a time.

* We do use their "dynamic pricing" model, which automatically modulates your pricing on a daily basis, based on supply and demand.  You can set floor/ceiling parameters on this. 
* My wife is our "property manager", and does a great job of responding to guest queries, cleaning the place, and otherwise taking the lead.  Your responsiveness to customer questions goes into your host rating metric, which affects how high your place comes up in search rankings.  We achieved "super host" status, which drives a virtuous cycle of better search rankings and more bookings.
* We have an acquaintance who can be on-call to be paid for doing the cleaning and guest prep, if we are going to be out of town or otherwise busy.  We pass on the full cleaning fee to her, and don't miss it since it can enable us to make hundreds of dollars that we wouldn't otherwise be able to.  (We also have two teenage boys who sometimes take on the cleaning task. This is of course also good life-skills training, but also of course, is more of a pain to supervise.)
* We've met interesting people from all over.  Any problems have been only minor.
* One consistent piece of positive feedback we've received is that our photos and description accurately reflect the place.  Apparently some guests have had experiences where that was not the case.
* Good photos are key!  You can post a ton of photos on your listing, so I don't understand why people put up 2 or 3 out-of-focus photos of the place.  Make sure your photos make the layout of the place clear.  It may be helpful for one of your photos to be a floor plan.
* People don't read the description, no matter how clear you make it.  Ensure that anything really important makes it into a photo (hint: you can use captions on photos to help with this).

As guests:
Anymore, whenever we travel we look to airbnb as our first resort.  Its search tools are better than vrbo's, and the site seems overall easier to navigate (though that may in part be familiarity).  The ability to stay in a place with a kitchen and some outdoor space is really nice, and frequently you can get some good local tips from the host.  We've had success with airbnb both in the US, and in Paris and Germany.

As the "sharing economy" becomes more prominent, and there is pushback from threatened taxi drivers (uber/lyft), hotels, and local governments, one thing to look out for is the regulatory aspect.  Seattle has a number of requirements for short-term rental owners (which in my opinion don't add much value for anyone, but cost us hassle and dollars), and is considering adding more.  We're traveling to Hawaii over Christmas, and had a nice AirBnB rental picked out and reserved months ago, but just last week got a message that it had been canceled, because the owner hadn't been in compliance with Honolulu's short-term rental requirements, and had gotten a cease-and-desist notice from the county.  So we are scrambling to find a replacement place now.

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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2016, 12:07:34 PM »
We have a lot of experience as both landlords and guest on AirBnB.  We've had positive experiences throughout.

As hosts:
We have a standalone backyard cottage (basically a 400-sf studio apartment) in Seattle that we rent out on AirBnB.  We've done so for at least 3 years.  It completely pays our mortgage, which includes having refinanced to pay for part of the construction cost of the cottage.  We're pretty conveniently located for people visiting the University of Washington or downtown Seattle.  The "regular" rental market is very tight in Seattle these days, which also makes AirBnB attractive for people staying multiple months at a time.

* We do use their "dynamic pricing" model, which automatically modulates your pricing on a daily basis, based on supply and demand.  You can set floor/ceiling parameters on this. 
* My wife is our "property manager", and does a great job of responding to guest queries, cleaning the place, and otherwise taking the lead.  Your responsiveness to customer questions goes into your host rating metric, which affects how high your place comes up in search rankings.  We achieved "super host" status, which drives a virtuous cycle of better search rankings and more bookings.
* We have an acquaintance who can be on-call to be paid for doing the cleaning and guest prep, if we are going to be out of town or otherwise busy.  We pass on the full cleaning fee to her, and don't miss it since it can enable us to make hundreds of dollars that we wouldn't otherwise be able to.  (We also have two teenage boys who sometimes take on the cleaning task. This is of course also good life-skills training, but also of course, is more of a pain to supervise.)
* We've met interesting people from all over.  Any problems have been only minor.
* One consistent piece of positive feedback we've received is that our photos and description accurately reflect the place.  Apparently some guests have had experiences where that was not the case.
* Good photos are key!  You can post a ton of photos on your listing, so I don't understand why people put up 2 or 3 out-of-focus photos of the place.  Make sure your photos make the layout of the place clear.  It may be helpful for one of your photos to be a floor plan.
* People don't read the description, no matter how clear you make it.  Ensure that anything really important makes it into a photo (hint: you can use captions on photos to help with this).

As guests:
Anymore, whenever we travel we look to airbnb as our first resort.  Its search tools are better than vrbo's, and the site seems overall easier to navigate (though that may in part be familiarity).  The ability to stay in a place with a kitchen and some outdoor space is really nice, and frequently you can get some good local tips from the host.  We've had success with airbnb both in the US, and in Paris and Germany.

As the "sharing economy" becomes more prominent, and there is pushback from threatened taxi drivers (uber/lyft), hotels, and local governments, one thing to look out for is the regulatory aspect.  Seattle has a number of requirements for short-term rental owners (which in my opinion don't add much value for anyone, but cost us hassle and dollars), and is considering adding more.  We're traveling to Hawaii over Christmas, and had a nice AirBnB rental picked out and reserved months ago, but just last week got a message that it had been canceled, because the owner hadn't been in compliance with Honolulu's short-term rental requirements, and had gotten a cease-and-desist notice from the county.  So we are scrambling to find a replacement place now.

Thanks for your reply, it's very helpful.

I'm up here in Vancouver and the city are looking at regulating short term rentals here too.

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Re: Does anyone have experience with Air BnB?
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2016, 12:09:48 PM »
Thanks so much! Some great advice and links in the replies.