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What is FI? What is your number?
« on: January 16, 2015, 10:48:32 AM »
How much do you need to consider yourself FI?  To retire (if those numbers are different)?

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2015, 11:23:10 AM »
Right now I'm aiming for $625k invested plus renting out basement suite to pay for mortgage. Or maybe living in the basement suite and renting out the top floor if I'm not going to be home very much.

But it'll be awhile until I get there and who knows whether I'll change my mind by then. Sometimes I think it might be nice to take a couple more years and get to 1 million, other times I contemplate if I could live on less so I could RE sooner.

But for now $650k is my goal.


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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2015, 11:30:00 AM »
I have been giving this some thought myself lately. I believe I am pretty close to the original MMM model at 600K + paid off house. That should net me approx 24K using 4% rule and we should have another 1000-1500 a month from my wife's pension.

We only have about 30K in a 403B right now and still owe 275K on the house. So.....I'm a ways off.

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2015, 11:32:17 AM »
Right now, our number is ~$1.25 million dollars.  Hoping to get our spending down to where our number is ONE MILLION DOLLARS or less before we actually get there though.

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2015, 11:39:59 AM »
Right now, our number is ~$1.25 million dollars.  Hoping to get our spending down to where our number is ONE MILLION DOLLARS or less before we actually get there though.


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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2015, 11:46:40 AM »
We would be fine with $500k and a paid off house.  $600k would give us a bit more "play" money for travel and such.  I imagine we'll probably RE at $500k and keep doing some odds & ends type jobs to keep busy and earn our play money. 

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2015, 11:57:52 AM »
I will consider myself FI when the passive income + 4% safe withdrawal rate from investments will cover barebones expenses.  That's about 5 years away for me.  I will RE when we have the FI amount + enough to indulge in probably half time travel, and modest recreation when at home.  That's probably 8-9 years off.

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2015, 12:08:03 PM »
Honestly, I'm not close enough to FI to really be able to say. 2014 was the first year that I tracked my spending for an entire year, and when all the receipts were in, we had spent about $48,000. That would peg our number at about 1.2 million, but I think it would be stupid to assume that we actually need that much to retire.

Almost $13,000 was housing expenses, and that number was inflated due to paying rent + mortgage for 3 months in the middle of a move. I doubt I will retire without a paid-off house anyway, so taxes and insurance would be our only housing costs post-FIRE. Health care cost us more than $10,000 last year, because my son has spina bifida. We would qualify for ACA subsidies and possibly other programs post-FIRE, which would bring this number down considerably. So now we're down to less than $30,000 in spending that we would need to support.

But I also anticipate that I'll earn income post-FIRE that won't come from our nest egg. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that I netted over $4300 last year from my hobby (woodworking). And that was with very little free time (full-time job + two kids under three). I was less surprised to find that over $2000 of our expenses were covered by credit card/bank rewards programs.

So, if I assume ~$30,000 in spending and ~$6,000 in miscellaneous income per annum, that means I need $600,000 in invested assets, plus a paid-off house, to be FI. Essentially identical to the MMM plan.

Ultimately, my plan is simply to stash as much as I can until I hit $500,000, then re-evaluate my spending and needs. There is no way I would consider myself FI with less than that. 

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2015, 08:58:42 PM »
At the moment, being 30, it def looks like $1.5 to $2 million because I always round up rather than down.

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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2015, 09:47:52 PM »
Before finding this site my number was Minimum of $900K and a paid-off' house - but I felt I would not feel really secure unless I had 1.3M.    I planned to work until at least 60, then 'semi-retire' until 67 or so.

After finding you guys, my plans changed A LOT!!  By learning more about FIRE, 72T, Backdoor Roth, and lots of other mustachian trickery,  I realized I was being overly conservative. I don't need to accumulate that much.  My new number is $750K. 

I also realized if I cut some spending I could save a lot more, sooner.  Our house is already paid off and if all goes as planned will be at my goal # by June 2017. 

If OP is looking for comparisons, I feel like I have to explain that this is just my half of the pie to cover my part of our shared living expenses.  DH owns 2 small businesses which will continue to provide income and perks after we 'retire'.  If he did not have that income we would feel we needed $1.5M and would probably not retire as early. 

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2015, 10:24:35 PM »
We are pulling the plug at the end of this year. We will have 1M plus another investment that will either give us a monthly stipend that we will invest or will be sold at a profit that we will invest. That sale could generate another 600k+.
We would have had more money if we had sold our business, but we have decided to shut it down instead of having OMY trying to sell. We feel we have enough.
We will not have a house though as we will be travelling full-time for a few years before we decide where (or if ) we want to settle somewhere permanently.
We also have 2 young children that we home school and will "world school" as we travel.
We will be 40 and 43 at the end of the year.

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2015, 11:05:48 PM »
When you have enough to cover your bare bones living expense.

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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2015, 04:31:27 AM »
I think it will be 1.5m in shares and a paid off house 700000.

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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2015, 05:26:44 AM »
I consider us FI right now, with 1.25 million in retirement and other investment accounts.  If we had to/wanted to, we could sell this house, buy something (much) smaller with the equity (170K), and retire.

But, our number for RE is more like 1.75 million + paid off house (mortgage balance is at 320K), so still a ways to go if we want to stay in this house (which we plan on doing as long as we still have kids at home).  Realistically, we could get there in 5 years or so, but DH says he wants to work another 8 years to pay for international travel now and after retirement and college.

It's nice to know we can change our mind at any time, downsize, and call it done.  But that knowledge also makes me less tolerant of crap in the here and now, so it's a mixed blessing.  Or rather, a clear blessing that I experience as mixed.

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2015, 05:34:39 AM »
we have family in Europe and will be doing a fair bit of travelling. about 600k + 2 years of living expenses in cash is the target for pulling out of full time work. After that maybe a bit of part time/ seasonal work to pad out the cash for travelling. or my wife might continue to work.  That bit is unknown but by the time we get there we'll have a clearer idea what path we'll take.
With a little bit of good fortune it could be in about 2 1/2 years. 30 months...... ummm

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2015, 05:44:11 AM »
Right now I'm thinking $500k and a paid off house.   But, since we're about 10 yrs away, I plan on crunching our more realistic numbers as it gets closer and depending on estimated health care costs, more elaborate travel plans, etc, it could realistically wind up being closer to $600k (or maybe $450k if I'm getting really sick of my job).

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2015, 07:02:40 AM »
For FI, I think we may sort of already be there, though not quite. The mortgage is paid off which means if we had to, we could both work part time at low pressure jobs and keep the expenses quite low (baseline 25k or so.) But for retirement we want to be able to travel overseas and spend a little more for fun experiences, plus maintain the house. We'd need 50-60k for that, which means $1.2 M invested.

I'm envisioning things happening in stages... Like in say two or three years, our investments might hit anywhere from 700k to 1M, depending on job status and the markets. Then it would be nice to do the relaxed, part time work thing for a few more years before withdrawing from our accounts, allowing them to grow to the 1.2M goal.

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2015, 07:34:36 AM »
I'm a long way off.  Definitely the house needs to be paid off.  After mortgage we currently live on about C$30K, and we could bring that down to C$25K without much effort when not working (and if we eliminate commuting).  So that means $500K or so + no mortgage, more would be better.  We might downsize our house at some point, but maybe not - it isn't huge and we like it a lot.

We like to travel, and I know from experience that travel is often cheaper than staying at home, so that might factor in. 

To be honest I'm more interested in the FI part than the RE part.  My psyche always seems to be engaging with side hustles, I'm not sure I see that ending.

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2015, 09:31:32 AM »
I sm not quite sure yet. I have always been a saver but only introduced to mu as mustachianism since July 2014. I have ramped up savings but also dramatically ramped up debt payments, paying down $65k in mortgage, heloc, and edu loands in 2014.

The last $22k edu loans will be killed this year.
That will leave two mortgages to pay off.

We have about $350k right now, quick guess is we need at least twice that. However my wife will be inheriting a 7 figure account when her parents pass, so my guess could be too much. But I dont want to rely on the inheritance at all though in my planning. Since until it's "in my pocket", its not mine.
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2015, 09:42:26 AM »
Some remarkably high numbers here...is this for FI?!

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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2015, 09:50:36 AM »
For me it is 600k and a paid off home (which I have). I got married in June to a man who already has retired with 700k and his own paid off home, so I plan to FIRE in May this year.

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2015, 10:39:07 AM »
Looking at 750k personal net worth in about 4-5 years, then I'll quit full-time work at around age 45. Wife will probably have her own net worth of 150k by that time.

Don't have any plans to pay off a house in semi-expensive Portland. In 15 years, I'll sell my house and move to a much lower cost of living smaller town with no income taxes and/or do some geographic arbitrage for 5 years.

Also expecting a sizable inheritance at age 60, so I can easily live off 550k of investable assets from age 45-60 which also will include part-time work to help maintain the 'stache.

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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2015, 12:20:05 PM »
Edit: So, This number has shrunk to a minimum of 295K. SWR of 5%. Wooh!



As of this moment, 500K. No more than 8 years away.

I intend to get this number down to 450K without lowering my quality of life, and hopefully bringing the date a little bit closer.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2015, 01:51:24 PM by Ganon91 »

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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2015, 12:42:34 PM »
However my wife will be inheriting a 7 figure account when her parents pass, so my guess could be much. I dont want to rely on the inheritance at all though in the planning. Since until it's "in my pocket", its not mine.

This.  There is some money floating around the older generations of our family, but as far as I am concerned it is their money and if they choose they can spend it all in Vegas in the slots.  I doubt they will, but from my point of view that money doesn't exist until and unless someone tells us otherwise.  There are some in the extended family who think otherwise, and there has been some fairly ugly speculation etc.  Yuck.

I'd much rather have my parents around for another 30 years than boost up my retirement date.  Ditto my in-laws.  I love them, I don't want their money.

I used to have a friend who spent the first 40 years of his life anticipating a large inheritance.  They ended up with massive CC debt, no assets and huge stress.  It wrecked their marriage, among other things.  And who the hell wants to spend even one second of their life looking forward to losing a loved one?

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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2015, 01:20:54 PM »
Rocketpj:

"I'd much rather have my parents around for another 30 years than boost up my retirement date.  Ditto my in-laws.  I love them, I don't want their money."

Excellent value system!   My wife and I are both now "orphans" so to speak. Part of our own personal "success" log is being successful enough on our own  that we could watch our parents live down their assets as they pleased.  Other siblings put sticky notes on items that they "wanted to inherit".  As far as we were concerned, if the last $10 belonging to the surviving spouse went to tip the gravedigger, that marked a very successful financial life for our depression era parents.  We are pretty sure our adult kids feel the same way.

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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2015, 01:43:34 PM »
I will consider myself FI @ ~$600k, that would cover living expenses, health care, etc. I assume as of my current situation that I would feel comfortable RE @ ~$1,000k. That extra $400k would not only help me sleep at night but if anything did happen, serious health issues, Japan style stagnation economics, sporadic large purchases, etc I know I could still cover it.

I LOVE the idea of having that choice of walking away from work, any time after the FI # is reached. Maybe I will work part time or do consulting to bridge the gap. I enjoy staying sharp mentally, so I can see myself pursuing some form of compensated hobbies. 

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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2015, 03:40:38 PM »
I think we will be FI in a few months with $1,000,000 and a paid-off house. I will retire in just under 2 years with a pension of $1000 in addition to the million bucks we already have. My husband will not feel comfortable retiring until we have $1,400,000 and a paid-off house or until the point that our dividends can pay our basic expenses. We're on the high side, I suppose.

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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2015, 01:55:01 PM »
However my wife will be inheriting a 7 figure account when her parents pass, so my guess could be much. I dont want to rely on the inheritance at all though in the planning. Since until it's "in my pocket", its not mine.

This.  There is some money floating around the older generations of our family, but as far as I am concerned it is their money and if they choose they can spend it all in Vegas in the slots.  I doubt they will, but from my point of view that money doesn't exist until and unless someone tells us otherwise.  There are some in the extended family who think otherwise, and there has been some fairly ugly speculation etc.  Yuck.

I'd much rather have my parents around for another 30 years than boost up my retirement date.  Ditto my in-laws.  I love them, I don't want their money.

I used to have a friend who spent the first 40 years of his life anticipating a large inheritance.  They ended up with massive CC debt, no assets and huge stress.  It wrecked their marriage, among other things.  And who the hell wants to spend even one second of their life looking forward to losing a loved one?

I totally agree- the thought of possible inheritance used to confuse us in trying to plan pre-tax VS post tax retirement savings as things would be different with any inheritance. We have chosen to ignore it completely and feel very fortunate that our parents are FI and we don't have to include their financial needs in our retirement budget. Hope they live forever!

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2015, 02:03:05 PM »
I can pay all my current expenses with 650k. That is what I consider my FI number.

However, I actually anticipate inflating my lifestyle in the first years of retirement (lots and lots of travel) so my FI number is actually 800k. This figure will also give me an incredible margin of safety.

Both of these figures are worst case, and don't anticipate income from renting out a room, as I am in the process of doing. They also don't anticipate any further reductions in my day to day spending, which I am also in the process of working on.

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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2015, 04:32:28 PM »
Barebones budget:125K
Current spending:600K
Projected future spending:1.3 million

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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2015, 04:41:56 PM »
750k, but it's more than what we need. Assumes mortgage paid off, T minus 5 years for that step, and then probably another 5 for FIRE.

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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2015, 04:52:20 PM »
I'm NOWHERE NEAR this step yet (still have debt, don't own a house yet much less paid off) but our soft number looks like 900k-1mm.

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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2015, 05:10:40 PM »
I told my wife that she can quit when we hit 600K. We are currently at 243K. My wife's job is a little bit of burden to our travel options. I live my job and will never quit so I don't have a number for my retirement.

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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2015, 06:07:40 PM »
My number is 300k, nice and easy.  That would be exactly enough to pay my half of the expenses.  At that point, I will quit full time work, and start picking up part time gigs in new fields that interest me to grow the 'stash to a more sustainable level.  I am aggressively aiming for this to happen around my 30th birthday, but I expect to adjust my plans as I hit various speed bumps.

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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2015, 07:12:50 PM »
For those of you who are making your FI plans based on a 1/2 share of expenses (via marriage, SO, roommates) do you have any back up financial plans in case SHTF in your relationship and you now must finance your whole FI?  As a divorced person who had made plans to ER at age 38 with the ex-DH, until he decided to do the "just OMY" thing - which in his case he really wanted to do "just 25 more years" - that split could have wreaked havoc on my FIRE plans if I/we had not both been FI in our own rights separately.

My number is based on two people. For just me, I would likely need 1/2-2/3 (depending on housing needs).

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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2015, 09:14:01 PM »
At the moment, being 30, it def looks like $1.5 to $2 million because I always round up rather than down.

I'm 22, and this is my range as well for my spouse and me combined. If we found part time jobs either on the lower end of that spectrum we may just do that so long as part time takes care of all expenditures.

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« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2015, 09:27:59 PM »
FI is being able to do what you want (including work) regardless of how little it pays.

By that definition, I am FI now since I would be fine teaching math.

I am contemplating re-entering the working world doing what I used to do since it pays multiples of teacher pay.  Work N more years at X or 5N more years at X/5 is the trade-off.  Not sure I want to teach for 1-2 decades.

I have two kids and a wife that is pretty good about expenses, but not very good.  I.e. I know a lot of people that are much, much worse.  To feel like I don't need to ever work again, I'd feel comfortable with $2M b/n my wife and me - all assets.  Sounds like a lot, but I am in my mid-40s and I think there is a good deal of uncertainty RE health and healthcare and general market performance.  I haven't built the safety nets that MMM discusses.

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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2015, 09:50:30 PM »
For those of you who are making your FI plans based on a 1/2 share of expenses (via marriage, SO, roommates) do you have any back up financial plans in case SHTF in your relationship and you now must finance your whole FI?  As a divorced person who had made plans to ER at age 38 with the ex-DH, until he decided to do the "just OMY" thing - which in his case he really wanted to do "just 25 more years" - that split could have wreaked havoc on my FIRE plans if I/we had not both been FI in our own rights separately.

The BF and I are both children of divorced parents, so we're pretty risk averse when it comes to potential impacts of a break up.

Our FI number represents what it would take for us both to be FI in our own right - i.e. we would both still be FI if we divorced - so that we can be sure that financial security is never a factor in choosing to stay together. Overkill? Probably.

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« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2015, 10:23:54 PM »
FI: 1.5M (there right now, actually).
RE: 3M + house (there by 40).

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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2015, 06:18:11 AM »
For those of you who are making your FI plans based on a 1/2 share of expenses (via marriage, SO, roommates) do you have any back up financial plans in case SHTF in your relationship and you now must finance your whole FI?  As a divorced person who had made plans to ER at age 38 with the ex-DH, until he decided to do the "just OMY" thing - which in his case he really wanted to do "just 25 more years" - that split could have wreaked havoc on my FIRE plans if I/we had not both been FI in our own rights separately.

We calculate our FI numbers individually. So one of us (me) will likely be FI long before the other.

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« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2015, 06:45:04 AM »
We are 56.  DH gets a pension at 58.  Our number is 1.5M.  Almost there.  We spend $70,000 -$75,000 a year.  Still working on that one.  But at least $12,000 -$14,000 of it is on travel. Travel hacking this year so that number should come down.  We have no debt.  Own our condo.  But our carrying costs on the condo(taxes, condo fees, utilities are high - $1200 a month).

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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2015, 08:33:52 AM »
$500,000 for part-time work or "fun work" (writing, piano/guitar lessons, etc.) It will give me 20,000 per year, so I'll still need to make around 10-15k a year,. However, I will no longer need to work 40+ hours per week, so I now have choices. I consider this FI because it leaves me independent with the ability to work how I want & when I want.
 
$800,000 for full-on retirement. This is when I will not need to make 10-15k per year; I can go the entire year without making a dime and still come out ahead on costs.

I expect to do the first option at least for some time. I don't know yet what I'll decide to do as the part-time job, but I've got several years to figure that out. By the way, these figures include rent or mortgage, meaning this is what I need WITHOUT a paid-off house.

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« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2015, 09:05:44 AM »
$200k debt paid down, maybe another $100-200k to supplement my AF pension until I reach retirement age.  The debt is the kicker, I'd be happily unemployed if it weren't for that little detail.

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2015, 09:25:02 AM »
Hindsight is a wonderful thing...looking at my current ER spending level, and the amount I feel I need to spend every month to maintain my current happiness (giddiness?) it looks like my FI number was likely about half of what I actually saved.

Not a horrible problem to have, especially for someone like me who particularly hates worrying about money - more specifically not having enough of it.

On the negative side, I may have worked four or 5 years longer than was necessary. Whatevs...

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2015, 10:43:43 AM »
For those of you who are making your FI plans based on a 1/2 share of expenses (via marriage, SO, roommates) do you have any back up financial plans in case SHTF in your relationship and you now must finance your whole FI?  As a divorced person who had made plans to ER at age 38 with the ex-DH, until he decided to do the "just OMY" thing - which in his case he really wanted to do "just 25 more years" - that split could have wreaked havoc on my FIRE plans if I/we had not both been FI in our own rights separately.

I think it is much more likely that death will come for us before divorce (we've been together and happy for 36 years) but we have talked about the implications of death or divorce. At this point either of us could take our half of the stash and retire for quite a bit less than both of us would require together. We each have things that are important to only one of us that cost money the other person doesn't care so much about. So expenses are a bit higher together. He wants to own a lot of house. I am happy living in very small spaces with high-end computer equipment and gadgets plus gourmet food. He doesn't care about such things.

In truth, I'd rather be with him, whatever the circumstances (early retirement, late retirement, living in Memphis, living somewhere I'd prefer to live, working in coal mines with asthmatic canaries, whatever!) than be without him. So I can't really picture divorce. Of course he could divorce me, but he scoffs at the idea.

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2015, 04:09:55 PM »
Hindsight is a wonderful thing...looking at my current ER spending level, and the amount I feel I need to spend every month to maintain my current happiness (giddiness?) it looks like my FI number was likely about half of what I actually saved.

Not a horrible problem to have, especially for someone like me who particularly hates worrying about money - more specifically not having enough of it.

On the negative side, I may have worked four or 5 years longer than was necessary. Whatevs...

I wish I had this problem!! Congrats though, from other posts I have read sounds like you are enjoying it so far.

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2015, 08:21:02 PM »
I make it a rule not to discuss actually asset or income numbers, but for me (single and expecting to remain so), I reached FI about a year and a half ago at age 44 when I hit 25x projected RE expenses / 4%.  I'm solidly OMY at this point and have a tentative RE date about a year from now at age 46.  At that point I'll be at about 28x expenses / 3.5%, depending on how things go between now and then.

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2015, 06:34:14 AM »
I will be retirement eligible in 4 years, with a pension benefit that will be around 41% of my pre-retirement income.  I'll get a supplement for the first 7 years (until I hit SS eligibility age at 62) that will put me at about 46% of pre-retirement income.  I've calculated that I need about 58% of my pre-retirement income to support the same standard of living I enjoy now while working, so my 401k (or pt work) needs to cover about 12% of my pre-retirement income.  But at 62 when the supplement goes away, it will need to cover 17%.  My number isn't so much a function of what I actually need as what I'm projected to have given my current balance, and that number is somewhere north of $800K.  I need a 5% return for the next 5 years to get there (along with my current and continuing contributions).  So FIRE I will be in about 4 1/2 years, but I have to stick around until then to get that pension.

Do I NEED $800K?  Probably not, but I want a decent margin of safety, because I want to be able to cover a share of my wife's portion of our expenses when she retires (likely 7 years after me, because of our age difference).  She doesn't have a pension. And I want to be able to stick it out until full SS retirement age before I begin to collect, so she will enjoy the higher benefit if/when I predecease her.  $800K should allow me to do that pretty easily (and in reality, that figure should be well north of $1million by the time my wife retires, given that if I start withdrawals right away, it will be at a <2% rate).

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Re: What is FI? What is your number?
« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2015, 05:35:06 PM »
magic #: $2.4M

 

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