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Defining ourselves through our jobs
« on: February 28, 2014, 01:08:19 PM »
I have just quit my job. And I currently don't have another one (well, I do have another job offer already for the same pay, but I don't want that job so I will turn it down). I had excellent reasons for quitting my job:

1) I don't like what I am doing
2) I don't like where I am living
3) I don't like the people I work with

Also, just to be clear, this was not a haphazard decision, this was long in the making. I have planned this for more or less the last 2 years. I am also not in any financial difficulty...I own two properties and have 400k saved...so my networth is around 800k (no debt). I am 29 and have worked for 5 years (did a graduate degree after college).

But since I quit my job this week, I have somehow been feeling a bit depressed. I am not materialistic, never spent much and always wanted to work towards FI. But what I really underestimated is how much my job defined me. I would tell people that I work for my very prestigious company (in banking) and everyone would say things like "wow, you couldn't do much better than that". I know rationally that quitting was the right decision, but still, it's somehow really weighing on me that I left this prestigous job (despite the fact that I hated coming to work every day). Can anyone help me with some words of wisdom to get over myself here???

I will be moving to the place where I really want to live soon and I have some very tangible possibilites of new jobs that I might enjoy more, so really, there is nothing to be upset about...and I had planned this very thoroughly, so I just don't understand why suddenly this is eating me up this much. I was so looking forward to quitting and going traveling for a bit, but right now I feel kinda empty and sad...which was so not what I expected. I thought I would be super happy to leave this job that I didn't like and was boring me to death....but instead I almost cried when I resigned. What is wrong with me? I normally also don't care much about what other people say, but right now I feel like hiding from the world because I know so many people will gasp with surprise at my decision to leave and somehow that eats at me as well. I know it's all just a stupid rat race, that's why I quit in the first place, but now I feel like a loser for not "competing" with these people anymore. This is such a stupid thought of course, but I can't help it.

To make my current morose state even more pathetic, the fact is that I am not even taking any financial hit through this decision. I am still getting 3 months pay (without working) and due to some stock option vesting clauses I would get an additional 15k if I don't go to a competitor before Dec 31. So really, my downside is very well protected here as well. And from the conversations I have had so far, there is really no indication that finding a new job will be that hard for me.

I should be jumping up and down with joy that I have liberated myself from a place and a job that I didn't like and I should just go and enjoy my time off and go on my traveling plans, but nope, I am sitting here feeling kinda lost and consumed by some sort of existential angst that I have never felt before. This has made me wonder about my FI goals as well...I am only 29 and quit a job that I have been at for only 5 years with prospects of new and exciting jobs to come soon again. But if my career defines me so much....then how will I feel when I get to FI which I expect to happen in around 3-4 years time? Has anyone gone through this and how do I get out of this funk?
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2014, 01:15:10 PM »
I totally get what you are saying.  I was about your age when I quit temporarily to be a SAHM and the "What do you do?" question that always comes up in conversaton always bugged me.  When I answered, "I stay at home with my kids."  I could just see the interest draining out of their face.  Sometimes it was followed by this question:  "What do you DO all day?" .....

I think it just takes time to explore your identity and define yourself, not in terms of what you do, but who you are and what your values are.   

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2014, 01:18:38 PM »
Cut yourself some slack! This was a big change, it will take some time to adjust to it. :)

"I hated coming to work every day" - that is true for you. But staying at home all day and doing nothing, that probably sucks too. If you're like me and you crave routine, I would suggest considering these options to give your life some structure:

-volunteering
-working out (possibly with a personal trainer if you need someone to make you show up)
-travelling
-make a dream board (you write/draw/cut out and paste pictures of things that you want to do. Then create a plan to make these things happen!)
-consider exploring other "careers" - jobs that you would just plain want to do, not need to make money from.
-pursue hobbies (reading/acting/making things/ANYTHING)

I agree that we often let our jobs define who we are. It makes sense that you should feel adrift. This link always helps me screw my head on straight: http://inoveryourhead.net/the-complete-guide-to-not-giving-a-fuck/

Well done on taking control of your life, and being able to shake things up a little! You can always get a new job. You can't get your 20's and 30's back. PM me if you like, because I'm going through a similar situation (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/financial-freedom-vs-real-freedom-what-should-i-do/)

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Re: Defining ourselves through our jobs
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2014, 01:23:48 PM »
 This was big for me going into ER despite the Burnout. Its a Journey and I am in my second year but it gets better as time goes on. You made some strong statements about why you left and have done well on yourself so libraryjoy suggested cut yourself some slack and allow yourself to feel whatever it is you need to. Start dabbling in some constructive things and looking for what you want to do next. You will most likely know it when it comes your way. Good Luck to you!

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Re: Defining ourselves through our jobs
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2014, 01:50:36 PM »
A lot of parents who started homeschooling after their children had spent time in public schools beforehand talk about how their kids just aren't ready to jump into homeschooling. They need time to de-school, to adjust to a new mode of living and set of priorities. Could the same thing be happening to you? I would't trust my own feelings on the subject until I'd been retired for a month or two, at least.

Very good point. And yes, I have been "institutionalized" in the sense that for five years I have worked in a large corporate organization where I know the environment and can show a business card with a very prestigious name on it that gets me immediate respect. Versus now it's just me and my little career break here and I have to adjust to that. I guess it will just take some time, but still, I am very surprised and a bit freaked out by my own feelings here because I really didn't expect this. On the flipside, maybe this is a very valuable life experience that I am going through right now. I have never quit anything before ever, I am certain that while painful in the short term, this experience will make me somewhat more prepared for FI or any other major life changes in the future.

@libraryjoy: Thanks for the article, I enjoyed it!

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2014, 01:55:15 PM »
First of all, congratulations!  It takes courage to leave a perfectly good job with benefits to pursue something better and meaningful :)  I would take it easy for 90 days....read, volunteer, meditate, relax....the answer will come to you when you least expect it.  Financially, you are in a fantastic place!

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2014, 02:20:49 PM »
First of all, congratulations!  It takes courage to leave a perfectly good job with benefits to pursue something better and meaningful :)  I would take it easy for 90 days....read, volunteer, meditate, relax....the answer will come to you when you least expect it.  Financially, you are in a fantastic place!

^ What Citrine said. Congrats! You've taken a huge step. Pat yourself on the back. Take some long walks, talk to some wise people, and seriously ponder who you are and what your future holds.

You need to simply change your perspective. You choose how you perceive yourself, and what others think is of no importance. However, if you need a definition, you are now a "freelance investor" or a "real estate mogul" or a "venture capitalist" or a "fill in the blank". Some people will expect you to BE something, so give them an answer. As far as how you feel about what you are, that will come with time. Your new job is to find out your new identity, so get to work.

Also, this video is NSFW, but you don't need to worry about that anymore so enjoy:
You are not your fucking khakis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo-wkv8gW6k
Take this seriously, you are not your job.

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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2014, 05:28:47 PM »
What you are feeling is what a lot of people subconsciously think about when they work at a job that they hate and has no meaning to them.  Why stay when you don't really need the money, but what is the alternative.  What are you going to do now?

I know I have been there. I took some time off, 6 months, because I hated where I worked and did not find it meaningful.  It was all about the pay check and status.  It was a very difficult time for me, even though I had enough saved and my wife was still working,  I eventually re-entered the workforce but felt very sad that there was nothing else to fill the void of work.  What really hit me was how much I lacked passion for anything.  I envy most people here about their goals to reach FIRE and do something they love.  For me it's just trying to be FI and then hopefully find something to do that is really meaningful.  I've done volunteer work but it feels like that only reason I do it is because it sound nice to say.  I have done relief work and felt very good about it but again it is not something I have a burning desire to do all the time.

For now I have tried to look at it from a different angle, instead of trying to be productive, I have been focusing on simplifying my life, with a family and two kids its not a easy task.  I guess I'm hoping that once I can filter out all the noise from the outside world, I can start to listen so myself and find out what can fill the void of work.

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2014, 05:36:14 PM »
My previous employer was an investment company with a similar cutthroat kind of atmosphere.  The culture was downright toxic at times, and the work unfufilling and relentless.  I was there for 6 years and after awhile you start to feel like they own you.  Since leaving that job, it has taken me a long time to fully process all of my emotions.  Financially, I exceeded my goals at the company, and yet it's hard to escape the feeling that I failed in some way.

Perhaps this feeling of depression is you starting to process your own emotions of the past 5 years.  When you are used to a highly driven culture, it does define you to a certain extent, and I think it's natural to feel like you aren't measuring up once you finally get out of that atmosphere.  It's difficult to turn off that highly driven mindset over night.  My advice would be to do something you love for a month or two (or longer) and put some distance between you and the job.  Once you do that, you'll have a better perspective to start processing your experiences.

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2014, 05:45:07 PM »
I think some of that will change when you move. One of the things my wife noticed about the east coast (and I noticed the opposite in Seattle) is that everyone in the mid-Atlantic likes to ask people "what do you do?" as a basic getting-to-know-you question, and by that they mean "what JOB do you have?" Around here, "what do you do?" is inquiring about your general activities. No one I've met here asks about your job unless the conversation naturally steers in that direction.

What do I do? I climb, ski, run, ride my bike, etc. How about you?

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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2014, 06:03:49 PM »
I think it sounds like it's just because you're kind of in an in-between state right now? You've quit, but you haven't moved yet, and it sounds like you haven't acted much on the "life after quitting" aspect. I've sort of gone the other way - I haven't quit yet, but I've already loosely mapped out what I'll be doing for the 6 months afterwards, and then see how it goes from there. It's still scary, and I'll probably feel a bit sad about leaving, but things will be happening so quickly afterwards that I'm sure I'll be quickly swept up in all the positive and exciting stuff that will ensue. Hopefully, once you've physically moved to the place that you really like, that will also trigger you to move on mentally and emotionally. :)

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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2014, 06:45:36 PM »
I strongly identify with some of what you're going through.  Three years ago I left a toxic startup company after just 10 months of employment, due to many of the reasons you listed : Unsatisfying work, difficulty with peers, and generally just being fed up and burnt with it.

I'd been on the executive board and it was the highest position I've held in terms of responsibility.  But I intensely disliked the people and many of the situations I had to handle/manage.  I suppose you'd just call it a bad fit, plain and simple, at least from my perspective.  (From their perspective the fit was fine and I was doing an excellent job.  Looking back I almost wish they wanted me to leave -- it would have reduced the internal conflict in my head.)

Anyways, like you, I thought that I'd be completely happy when I left (although I went to another job, and you are moving/ taking a breather..)    But I wasn't happier -- at least not initially.  For a while all I could feel was this sense of failure.  Like I'd let everyone at my previous company down.  I'd left them but I was still emotionally dialed into the stuff that was going on there.  I also somehow felt disappointed in myself because I couldn't find a way to make that position work for me.   I'd left jobs before but always for some external reason, like I had to physically up and move to a different state because of life circumstances.  This was different.   I left simply because I didn't want to deal with it any more, and I didn't have to.  So part of me was accusing myself of quitting because I couldn't hack it.  Internally it felt like I'd lost some sort of the battle -- as though I'd simply given up.  When you're an achiever-type, it's hard to work through this, because your attitude is generally "I will not give up, I will work through this somehow." 

For weeks I felt hollowed out.  Seriously, weeks.  I was adjusting to my new job but still felt anguished about leaving the old one.  I should also point out that my new position was, title-wise, a huge demotion, so there was some searching-for-identity going on as well.  I'd became an individual contributor again, a tech geek solving problems and writing code, and removed myself from management, which I realized was simply not a good fit for my happiness.   Like you, I wondered if losing the fancy title played into my sense of failure.  Like you, I also could not believe that I wasn't happier about NOT being at the old place any longer.  I thought I'd be euphoric, and instead I almost felt worse.  This all seemed crazy to me because I consider myself to be a rational type, and rationally I'd made all of the right moves.  Emotional well being should follow, right?  Well, it did -- just not right away.

After a month, I felt a lot better, and after three months, I felt terrific.  Time away from the old job gave me perspective; I realized I'd been depressed at the old place, and depression doesn't go away overnight.  And the new gig has proved itself to be SO much better, exactly the same way that I am sure that your sabbatical will turn out to be incredible for you too.   I think the adjustment will occur even faster because you are not working and you can expose yourself to new experiences and situations, filling your brain up with new material to think about.  Brain has to push some of the old stuff out, right? 

I also agree with folks who suggest incorporating structure into your life -- make sure you're seeing people socially, that you're physically active, that you're engaged in some activities that you enjoy.

Thanks for sharing this experience.   It takes guts to recognize you feel lousy and reach out.   It's going to get better, I'm sure of it.





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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2014, 06:46:52 PM »
It sounds like the OP is having a natural response to running from something instead of running to something.

Thank you for sharing your experience. That's an important lesson.

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Re: Defining ourselves through our jobs
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2014, 06:57:14 PM »
This reminds me of the loss of identity I had to work through after my first time through grad school. Hang in there. It gets better. : D

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2014, 08:16:23 PM »
My previous employer was an investment company with a similar cutthroat kind of atmosphere.  The culture was downright toxic at times, and the work unfufilling and relentless.  I was there for 6 years and after awhile you start to feel like they own you.  Since leaving that job, it has taken me a long time to fully process all of my emotions.  Financially, I exceeded my goals at the company, and yet it's hard to escape the feeling that I failed in some way.

Perhaps this feeling of depression is you starting to process your own emotions of the past 5 years.  When you are used to a highly driven culture, it does define you to a certain extent, and I think it's natural to feel like you aren't measuring up once you finally get out of that atmosphere.  It's difficult to turn off that highly driven mindset over night.  My advice would be to do something you love for a month or two (or longer) and put some distance between you and the job.  Once you do that, you'll have a better perspective to start processing your experiences.

Yes, I agree with you, sounds like we have been in a very similar environment. It's a very driven culture for me as well and I am a very driven person. I have always known what's next and have always excelled at everything I have done. Part of the reason I chose to quit without something else lined up is because I (for better or worse) do have a very deep self awareness of the fact that this jobs has really defined my life and corrupted me in a way. I have been trying to figure out for the past 2 years what I really want to do, but couldn't. I think one of the reasons for this is that while I am in this environment, I just can't figure it out. This place has sucked life out of me in a sense. I relate to the other poster who said he/she doesn't have passion for anything. That's exactly how I have felt for quite some time, but this is not the person I was before I started working at this company. I used to be full of passion and dreams and even though I didn't have a penny to my name before I started this job, I was full of optimism back then and so happy to take risks. Staying at this job for as long as I did has somehow changed me and I don't think it's for the better (well, aside from my bank balance, haha). Despite my current "depression" (I don't think I am really depressed, I think real depression is sth different all together), I think it was still the right move. I actually only resigned yesterday, it's barely been 24h, so yah, maybe I should cut myself some slack and see how next week goes. After all, I do have plans, it's not like I just quit and have no plans whatsoever. I have always wanted to travel for a few months and I will go and do that and I will move to my new city (and country) where I have so many friends and I really can't wait to go back there. I think just sitting in this place where I am right now and looking out the window is making me depressed in itself really.

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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2014, 08:21:05 PM »
I strongly identify with some of what you're going through.  Three years ago I left a toxic startup company after just 10 months of employment, due to many of the reasons you listed : Unsatisfying work, difficulty with peers, and generally just being fed up and burnt with it.

I'd been on the executive board and it was the highest position I've held in terms of responsibility.  But I intensely disliked the people and many of the situations I had to handle/manage.  I suppose you'd just call it a bad fit, plain and simple, at least from my perspective.  (From their perspective the fit was fine and I was doing an excellent job.  Looking back I almost wish they wanted me to leave -- it would have reduced the internal conflict in my head.)

Anyways, like you, I thought that I'd be completely happy when I left (although I went to another job, and you are moving/ taking a breather..)    But I wasn't happier -- at least not initially.  For a while all I could feel was this sense of failure.  Like I'd let everyone at my previous company down.  I'd left them but I was still emotionally dialed into the stuff that was going on there.  I also somehow felt disappointed in myself because I couldn't find a way to make that position work for me.   I'd left jobs before but always for some external reason, like I had to physically up and move to a different state because of life circumstances.  This was different.   I left simply because I didn't want to deal with it any more, and I didn't have to.  So part of me was accusing myself of quitting because I couldn't hack it.  Internally it felt like I'd lost some sort of the battle -- as though I'd simply given up.  When you're an achiever-type, it's hard to work through this, because your attitude is generally "I will not give up, I will work through this somehow." 

For weeks I felt hollowed out.  Seriously, weeks.  I was adjusting to my new job but still felt anguished about leaving the old one.  I should also point out that my new position was, title-wise, a huge demotion, so there was some searching-for-identity going on as well.  I'd became an individual contributor again, a tech geek solving problems and writing code, and removed myself from management, which I realized was simply not a good fit for my happiness.   Like you, I wondered if losing the fancy title played into my sense of failure.  Like you, I also could not believe that I wasn't happier about NOT being at the old place any longer.  I thought I'd be euphoric, and instead I almost felt worse.  This all seemed crazy to me because I consider myself to be a rational type, and rationally I'd made all of the right moves.  Emotional well being should follow, right?  Well, it did -- just not right away.

After a month, I felt a lot better, and after three months, I felt terrific.  Time away from the old job gave me perspective; I realized I'd been depressed at the old place, and depression doesn't go away overnight.  And the new gig has proved itself to be SO much better, exactly the same way that I am sure that your sabbatical will turn out to be incredible for you too.   I think the adjustment will occur even faster because you are not working and you can expose yourself to new experiences and situations, filling your brain up with new material to think about.  Brain has to push some of the old stuff out, right? 

I also agree with folks who suggest incorporating structure into your life -- make sure you're seeing people socially, that you're physically active, that you're engaged in some activities that you enjoy.

Thanks for sharing this experience.   It takes guts to recognize you feel lousy and reach out.   It's going to get better, I'm sure of it.

Thank you so much for sharing, it's good to know that there are other people out there who have gone through something similar. My rational brain is laughing at myself right now, I mean, there are tons of people my age who would probably kill for the opportunity to just be able to walk away from an unloved job as easily as I have had the chance to do….but yet I sit here in some kind of puddle of self-pity and completely unjustified existential angst. I am sure it will get better. And someone very wise once told me that the things that scare you most are often the things that are most worth pursuing. I hope he was right, haha, but I am about to find out!

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Re: Defining ourselves through our jobs
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2014, 08:25:16 PM »
I think it sounds like it's just because you're kind of in an in-between state right now? You've quit, but you haven't moved yet, and it sounds like you haven't acted much on the "life after quitting" aspect. I've sort of gone the other way - I haven't quit yet, but I've already loosely mapped out what I'll be doing for the 6 months afterwards, and then see how it goes from there. It's still scary, and I'll probably feel a bit sad about leaving, but things will be happening so quickly afterwards that I'm sure I'll be quickly swept up in all the positive and exciting stuff that will ensue. Hopefully, once you've physically moved to the place that you really like, that will also trigger you to move on mentally and emotionally. :)

Yes, agreed. And ditto on the part about being swept up again quickly. The sweeping up will start tomorrow actually…I will get on a plane to interview for a job that I have dreamed of having since I graduated college. I may not get it, but never mind, I have always wanted to pursue this and I am flying half-way round the world for this chance…so yah, maybe as soon as I get out of this place here I could feel better already! At least I hope so!

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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2014, 10:11:10 PM »
Most people don't stay in investment banking very long. If anyone asks you what you do, just respond with "I was with [company] for 5 years, but now I'm pursuing other interests..." You will probably get the same positive responses. It is amazing that you have a net worth of $800k at age 29! Feel good about yourself!
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2014, 12:03:06 AM »
I think we all go through this when we get stuck into high achieving type jobs. I also thinks it sucks.

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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2014, 07:59:38 AM »
Hi SmallLife,

I just wanted to say that even though you left your job willingly (and happily) it is still a huge change and a loss.  Part of your feelings may be a part of the grieving process. 

I left my job of 11.5 years about 1 year ago now and I did grieve the loss even though I resigned. 

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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2014, 12:35:22 PM »
Thank you all for the nice comments! Today is my official last day in the office and in a few hours I will be skipping out of here. I am already feeling a lot better I have to say, I think the first days after my resignation were the worst, but by now I am really looking forward to my new plans and can't wait to get out of here. I am sure I will still wake up in the middle of the night for the next couple of weeks thinking to myself "what the hell did I do", but even that will pass I am sure. New opportunities seem to be rolling in as well, so I am not so freaked out anymore. I also turned down a very well paid job offer...and they replied back saying I can join them any time if I want to once I am done with my travel plans. While I honestly have no interest in the job, I kind of like it that I have this psychological back-up plan in my pocket. Overall I think I have made the right decision. As much as I am still freaked out, when I think about the alternative, i.e. having to show up to work again day after day and hating it and being super bored, then I have a smile on my face because I know that I don't have to do that anymore.

I also feel like this experience has made me more mature...in the span of a few days. Quitting was very hard for me. Harder than just enduring boredom and misery. Quitting really takes guts. I got this job straight out of college and I wasn't very selective at that point in time, I just took it because it came with a big fat paycheck. For my next job, while of course I still want it to pay well, I will be a lot more selective and make sure that I actually like it and can stay there for the next 3-4 years until FI. Quitting is freaking hard, I don't intend to do it again until FI!!!

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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2014, 02:58:25 PM »
Congrats on making peace with it so quickly. When you leave you should pull a Jerry McGuire - "now who's coming with me?"

Good luck.

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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2014, 05:50:19 PM »
Thanks for the update, goodlife! I'll try to remember that it can get so much better, when it's my turn to start freaking out. ;)

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Re: Defining ourselves through our jobs
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2014, 09:18:40 PM »
I quit my job 5 years ago.   I didn't have anywhere near what you do in savings, but I did feel the malaise of "who am I."    Here's my advice, give it two years.   You'll do some soul searching in the meantime and find things that validate your existence in the place of employment.

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Re: Defining ourselves through our jobs
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2014, 08:05:04 PM »
Congrats again for quitting - there will always be opportunities for good people

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Re: Defining ourselves through our jobs
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2014, 12:20:27 PM »
Congrats again for quitting - there will always be opportunities for good people

Yes, that's what I am realizing as well. I already have a job offer which I don't want, but anyhow. Quite a few other opportunities have actually been coming up already, so really, I am not too worried anymore, I am sure something will work out. Right now I am pretty excited about going traveling and I am not worried about the money anymore either. I think I have gotten a bit too attached to making a lot of money to be honest and this will be a good reality check.

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Re: Defining ourselves through our jobs
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2014, 02:04:25 PM »
Thanks for another update! I love how you have transitioned from feeling tied to your job and angst-filled to feeling carefree and excited about the future.

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Re: Defining ourselves through our jobs
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2014, 03:28:34 PM »
This thread really resonates for me - this is a big watch out for me because even though I hate my job, it is my daily routine and what I know.  I love new starts, but have always defined those by school or jobs - I need a post fire non- job plan.

Good luck - I'd love to hear further updates.