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Curious what people thing of it? Clocks moved forward in Canada last night.
Myself I wonder what the point in it is. Why not just leave it be and instead of it going dark at 4.30 in December it can be an hour later, which would be real nice.
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My opinion? Kill it!
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Kill it with fire.
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I don't much care what they do, as long as they leave it the same. i.e. no dinking around twice a year having to change a bunch of clocks. And, btw, I've lived in both Arizona and the island of Guam, which don't change their clocks...and guess what...life goes on just the same!
Fall Back is kind of cosy--feels like we're getting more rest. But Spring Forward gives me jet lag. I hate Spring Forward. It just feels weird, like a planetary shift or something.
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I'd go one step further and abolish time zones altogether. UTC for everyone regardless of where they live.
The Indians have been trolling us with their 30 minute offset for too long. Let's show them who's boss.
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Kill it, kill it with fire. Nuke it from orbit just to be sure ;P
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Why not just leave it be and instead of it going dark at 4.30 in December it can be an hour later, which would be real nice.
The sun setting at 4:30 in December is standard time. If you want it to be light an hour later in the winter, you are asking for year-round daylight savings time.
I don't mind it that much. DST means I have a couple of grumpy days in the spring, but we get an extra hour of light in the evenings for half the year.
Year-round DST would be OK in the evenings but rough on winter mornings since it would make for really late sunrises.
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Curious what people thing of it? Clocks moved forward in Canada last night.
Myself I wonder what the point in it is. Why not just leave it be and instead of it going dark at 4.30 in December it can be an hour later, which would be real nice.
You have it backwards. Dark at 4.30 in December is the natural time. The fact you feel that it is wrong and daylight savings is better proves we should always having daylight savings in Canada. Russia, a few years ago, entered daylight savings but decided to never leave it. For us northern countries, I think we should follow suit and abandon non-daylight savings.
I'd go one step further and abolish time zones altogether. UTC for everyone regardless of where they live.
The Indians have been trolling us with their 30 minute offset for too long. Let's show them who's boss.
Despite being the second largest country, China has only one timezone.
Why not just leave it be and instead of it going dark at 4.30 in December it can be an hour later, which would be real nice.
Year-round DST would be OK in the evenings but rough on winter mornings since it would make for really late sunrises.
Where I live in Canada (and it is fairly south at that), in December daylight hasn't started by the time I leave my house and it finishes as I'm getting into the car when leaving. :(
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I'd go one step further and abolish time zones altogether. UTC for everyone regardless of where they live.
The Indians have been trolling us with their 30 minute offset for too long. Let's show them who's boss.
Despite being the second largest country, China has only one timezone.
That's not good enough. I want one timezone for the entire world.
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I'd go one step further and abolish time zones altogether. UTC for everyone regardless of where they live.
The Indians have been trolling us with their 30 minute offset for too long. Let's show them who's boss.
Despite being the second largest country, China has only one timezone.
That's not good enough. I want one timezone for the entire world.
And let's go metric! There shall be 10 "chrons" in a day.
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I'd go one step further and abolish time zones altogether. UTC for everyone regardless of where they live.
The Indians have been trolling us with their 30 minute offset for too long. Let's show them who's boss.
Despite being the second largest country, China has only one timezone.
That's not good enough. I want one timezone for the entire world.
My point was that even the dictatorship of China that attempts to enforce one timezone actually fails at it. The people who live further west start work later in the day and go to bed fairly late. One timezone is horrendous because unless you know both the latitude and longitude of people, you can't reasonably schedule meetings (timezones approximate the natural body rhythm people take w.r.t. the daylight cycle). For example, where I live, by the time I've had lunch, two meetings, and a good session of programming, the sun is rising in California. That's useful to know if I need to schedule a meeting or talk to someone there and timezones give me that in one, simple, number. In such a large world due to globalization, knowing quickly when most people are awake in a certain geographic region is valuable information in day-to-day life.
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The Indians have been trolling us with their 30 minute offset for too long. Let's show them who's boss.
The Nepali's have been trolling India with their 45 minute offset!!
From Wikipedia
Nepal Standard Time (NPT) is the time zone for Nepal. With a time offset from Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) of +5:45 all over Nepal, it is one of only three time zones with a 45-minute offset from UTC.
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Where I live in Canada (and it is fairly south at that), in December daylight hasn't started by the time I leave my house and it finishes as I'm getting into the car when leaving. :(
Yeah - it makes more sense for some areas than others. Where I grew up, instituting year-round daylight savings time would have made the difference between it being light when I left for school in the morning, and being dark when I left for school in the morning. When I lived in London, I almost saw no daylight in winter at all because I was indoors during those hours, and it seemed silly to have an extra hour of daylight in the summer because it was light so late anyway.
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Love it. Good trade-off between sunrise time in winter and sunset time in summer.
Although Halloween just isn't the same now that the kids start walking around when it's still somewhat light....
And yes, perception probably depends on where one lives.
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The Indians have been trolling us with their 30 minute offset for too long. Let's show them who's boss.
The Nepali's have been trolling India with their 45 minute offset!!
From Wikipedia
Nepal Standard Time (NPT) is the time zone for Nepal. With a time offset from Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) of +5:45 all over Nepal, it is one of only three time zones with a 45-minute offset from UTC.
Newfoundland and Labrador have a 30-minute offset. They're the .......unique province ..... we accept them for the special snowflake they are.
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I don't care if we stuck with "standard" time or DST, but I don't need the change just pick one and let's roll with it.
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I don't get why the one called standard time is only in effect 4ish months each year.
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This is the one time that I think Trump could sign an executive order that I would agree with -- Kill it! Now if only someone would whisper in his ear that DST was invented by Barack Obama, it would be repealed by Monday 9am.
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I love it. Year-round DST FTW. Standard time blows.
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Put me in the DST year round camp. Now that we're here, let's stay.
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I'd go one step further and abolish time zones altogether. UTC for everyone regardless of where they live.
Yes yes yes - a thousand times yes!!!!!
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I could take or leave time zones, but I absolutely support abolishing DST.
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Lovritloveitloveitloveitloveitloveitloveitloveit!
I'm the frog of Daylight Savings Time.
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I don't get why the one called standard time is only in effect 4ish months each year.
Standard time came first with DST being the aberration. If you were to calculate time zones on the equinoxes, you'd get standard time.
Also note that much of the world does not have Daylight Savings. I found a map that shows it: https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/places-daylight-savings-time-featured2.png?w=3200 . Note, it shows Russia as a country without DST but it is standard time it lacks. Also the image linked above is also not centered; the equator is the line above the Queensland text.
For places nears the equator who don't have wild swings in the lengths of daylight, DSL offers no benefit. For where I live, where we less than 6 hours at the Winter Solstice but 18 during the Summer Solstice, DSL matters (we have sub-3 hours of true night in June).
I could take or leave time zones, but I absolutely support abolishing DST.
What if 'we' pulled a Russia and abolished Standard Time? Would you be fine with that ;)
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I think we should just pick a time - either standard or DST - and stay that way year-round. I lived in Hawaii and then Japan. A total of 6 years in those two places. Your body adjusts naturally, as the sunrise/set hours change gradually throughout the year.
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I didn't realize it was today (the joys of retirement). With the computer and iPad I don't even have to change things. Oh, just my watch, and the next time I drive the car, the dashboard clock. Was it an hour forward or reverse (I know: spring ahead, fall back)?
I read once when it was first introduced in World War I, farmers objected "Cows can't read clocks".
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Day Light Savings Time year round please!!! I hate when the sun sets at 5 and I hate even more that there's about a month and a half where I never see my house in the light of day Monday-Friday...
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I didn't realize it was today (the joys of retirement). With the computer and iPad I don't even have to change things. Oh, just my watch, and the next time I drive the car, the dashboard clock. Was it an hour forward or reverse (I know: spring ahead, fall back)?
I read once when it was first introduced in World War I, farmers objected "Cows can't read clocks".
Pets and little kids can't either. Fun times twice a year.
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I'd favor standard time year-round for families with young children.
I heard a utility company sponsored a study about whether it saved energy in Indiana a few years ago (it didn't). (disclosure: I work for that utility company)
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I'm a fan of year-round DST.
It seems weird to me that standard time is the way it is. I'd guess there'd be a lot less seasonal depression if there was sun later in the day during winter. I don't think people notice the dark in the morning as much as they do at the end of the day.
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I could take or leave time zones, but I absolutely support abolishing DST.
What if 'we' pulled a Russia and abolished Standard Time? Would you be fine with that ;)
I don't really care what time we call it, even decimal time is fine with me, but pointlessly changing the time should be stopped immediately.
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I'd be in favor of no time change, I don't care which turns into the new normal, but changing clocks twice a year is just dumb, and makes programming anything for timing tricky. I'm just glad I only have two non-internet-controlled clocks to change manually these days (my stove and my car).
Dump time zones in general for extra credit.
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I don't get why the one called standard time is only in effect 4ish months each year.
Exactly. What we have in place for most of the year should be "Standard" and those four months around the winter should have been dubbed "Daylight Wasting Time." As I'm in the southern U.S. I'd be fine if we ditched the whole time-changing thing altogether since we benefit less from it at this latitude.
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Get rid of it! My preference would be to stick with DST because I would prefer having the light after work rather than before. I just wish we would stick with one and leave it there.
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I don't get why the one called standard time is only in effect 4ish months each year.
Exactly. What we have in place for most of the year should be "Standard" and those four months around the winter should have been dubbed "Daylight Wasting Time." As I'm in the southern U.S. I'd be fine if we ditched the whole time-changing thing altogether since we benefit less from it at this latitude.
Careful, I was being a bit sarcastic but got the technical response from a poster earlier.
Will be interesting if, as solar becomes a bigger share of energy production, what is the "optimal" time to balance demand and capacity. Extra sunlight hours as people go to work or get home. If it doesn't make any difference, then let's just pick one and stick with it since it's not like there is a 50/50 split time wise as is.
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Before they changed when daylight savings time occurred, October used to be the longest month - it was 31 days and 1 hour.
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Curious what people thing of it? Clocks moved forward in Canada last night.
Myself I wonder what the point in it is. Why not just leave it be and instead of it going dark at 4.30 in December it can be an hour later, which would be real nice.
Correction: clocks in most of Canada moved, Saskatchewan doesn't have Daylight Savings Time, the clocks stay constant.
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Personally, I hate daylight savings. In recent years I have read more and more articles about how it has negative health impacts on populations due to sleep disruption, economic/productivity decreases and is just generally not worth it.
Maybe it made sense when candles were expensive or most people were walking or riding a horse to work or working in the fields but it doesn't seem to make sense any more.
Anything that deprives me of sleep can die in a fire...
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I hate changing times; I can only imagine how awful it is for parents. It should stay the same year-round. Selfishly, I'd stick with no daylight saving because I like it to be lighter earlier, but I'd live if it stayed on daylight saving forever.
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My dog doesn't like the change. I can see that he thinks I am totally messing up his eating/sleeping/pooping/walking routine.
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I hate the changing. I'd take either one, but if I could pick, I'd pick standard time year round.
I heard a podcast a while ago about two towns in Texas. One town was on the eastern edge of the time zone, and the other on the western edge. So in the western town, the sun would set a bit later. They found that the economic output of the eastern town was better than the other (they took all other variables into account. These were two otherwise equal towns).
What they found is that in the western town at say 7 pm, it was still light out, so people ended up staying up later, meaning they were groggier in the morning, and it affected their production.
Eastern town people went to bed earlier since it got dark earlier, and they woke up brighter and fresher.
So if this story is any indication, we should all just switch to standard time and stay that way.
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It's Monday morning, I have kids. Kid #2 (who is 4) was up late on Sat without a nap and got up early on Sunday.
It BLOWS.
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They need to keep it on Daylight time, not Standard time. 5pm sunsets in the dead of winter suck, and it's depressing.
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My 7 year old nearly burst into tears because he thought I was going to make him go to bed early for the next 6 months. Of course his natural cycle took over and he slept in an hour this morning to compensate. It just seems like an administrative burden on us all for reasons that are no longer relevant.
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I see no benefits out of it.
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They need to keep it on Daylight time, not Standard time. 5pm sunsets in the dead of winter suck, and it's depressing.
Having it not get light until almost 9AM in the winter would also suck, though.
I'd just as soon pick one, and I'd opt for standard time. It's annoying to change and it's even harder if you have small children, who can take weeks to adjust.
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Yes I agree 5 pm sunsets suck IF you work an office job from 9-5. That's why I don't work an office job :) I'd pick Standard time. But, I'd also happily take eternal Daylight Savings Time over the changing back and forth any day.
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I am not a fan at all. I am really tired today. I say get rid of it.
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DST year round. But if we've gotta lose an hour early in the year to get it it's still totally worth it.
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Its antiquated. Ditch it.
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I need light in the morning to get me up, so I want to shift things in winter - it's dangerous for my kids to be waiting out in the dark in the dead of winter for the bus (so we should shift dawn to earlier, or push back the start of school until after sunrise). But in the summer, having sunrise at 4 am when no one gets up that early to use the daylight is a waste, so I'd like to shift things even further as we approach the summer solstice.
With our current DST scheme, I feel they've moved Spring Ahead a few weeks too early - we are just getting to a nice time for dawn, and they go and move it! Wait until dawn is too early, and then reset it instead. When DH was trying to bike to work, it was always frustrating - just as he had enough daylight to safely bike to work on time, DST hit and pushed dawn off again.
While we are railing against antiquated programs that no longer make sense, why does our school year still conform to agrarian schedules? What percentage of the population is that important to now? Given the numbers that have to come up with summer childcare arrangements, wouldn't year round schools make more sense? Although in my area, I'd prefer to have a 4 or 6 week blizzard season break - just stay home and hunker down when the weather will be ugly (and enjoy holidays with the family) and skip the snow day roulette. Of course, climate change is throwing a monkey wrench in predicting when we get winter weather - we've had a relatively mild winter, until now. Last week they used 2 snow days for wind related power outages, and they've pre-emptively closed school for tomorrow.
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Bad, just more government crap
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Ditch it. Whether a region prefers daylight savings or standard time, pick one and stick with it. I live in a place that doesn't change the clocks (Japan) and it's wonderful not to have to deal with it.
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DST all the way! Add a second hour of it from May-July. No one should have to wake up when it's already light. What a waste of daylight. In the depths of winter, I like the 6 week school vacation/hunkering down idea. How about shortening the work day by an hour or two from mid-November through mid-January?
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I lived in Japan for three years. They don't have DST there. Just the same ol time zone year round. It's great. You don't worry or care about when the sun comes up or goes down. It just changes. Being a morning person myself, I prefer the sun in the morning. Winter sucks either way because either the sun's down before you go to work, or before you come home. Big picture, just go with and stick with it. It doesn't really matter. But get rid of the stupid idea of changing the clocks. Solar panels, power plants, they all produce power all the same. Batteries are the answer to demand periods, not moving clocks around.
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I think the way people answer this question might largely depend on where they live within a time zone.
I've lived most of my life in metro Chicago, which is very close to the eastern border of the central time zone. It can make life really depressing in the winter. Especially in January when the sun sets at 4:30pm and you then have to drive home in dark traffic. Just awful.
3 years ago I moved to northern Indiana, and we are in the eastern time zone. I can't tell you how much better I feel. At least here, even on the darkest day of the year, I can leave work at 5pm and get home before dark.
Changing clocks does really suck. I can manage it for the most part, but my 7 year old can't. Our week is off to a horrible start. Maybe we could agree to no more clock changes and split the baby down the middle? This fall, we only fall back 30 minutes and NEVER change ever again?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4EUTMPuvHo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4EUTMPuvHo)
That is all.
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While we are railing against antiquated programs that no longer make sense, why does our school year still conform to agrarian schedules? What percentage of the population is that important to now? Given the numbers that have to come up with summer childcare arrangements, wouldn't year round schools make more sense? Although in my area, I'd prefer to have a 4 or 6 week blizzard season break - just stay home and hunker down when the weather will be ugly (and enjoy holidays with the family) and skip the snow day roulette. Of course, climate change is throwing a monkey wrench in predicting when we get winter weather - we've had a relatively mild winter, until now. Last week they used 2 snow days for wind related power outages, and they've pre-emptively closed school for tomorrow.
Fall Harvest. The school calendar isn't based on an agrarian schedule. We're almost the opposite. If it was, we'd have Fall and part of Spring off instead of three weeks in winter and ten weeks of Summer. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/debunking-myth-summer-vacation/
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While we are railing against antiquated programs that no longer make sense, why does our school year still conform to agrarian schedules? What percentage of the population is that important to now? Given the numbers that have to come up with summer childcare arrangements, wouldn't year round schools make more sense? Although in my area, I'd prefer to have a 4 or 6 week blizzard season break - just stay home and hunker down when the weather will be ugly (and enjoy holidays with the family) and skip the snow day roulette. Of course, climate change is throwing a monkey wrench in predicting when we get winter weather - we've had a relatively mild winter, until now. Last week they used 2 snow days for wind related power outages, and they've pre-emptively closed school for tomorrow.
Fall Harvest. The school calendar isn't based on an agrarian schedule. We're almost the opposite. If it was, we'd have Fall and part of Spring off instead of three weeks in winter and ten weeks of Summer. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/debunking-myth-summer-vacation/
Long story short, summer break is because it's hot and until recently many schools didn't have a/c. The school district that I went to only had one school (middle school built in 80s) that had a/c. I graduated in 03 and they just built a new modern high school about 5 years ago. The elementary school still does not have a/c. This is a relatively decent local school district with 200+ person graduating classes in the Midwest so pretty average. The first couple weeks of school at the end of August and the end in May were often uncomfortable, as in warm to the point that focusing on class was more difficult. It was especially bad if you had gym and then had to sit in a 80+ degree classroom.
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I don't get why the one called standard time is only in effect 4ish months each year.
Exactly. What we have in place for most of the year should be "Standard" and those four months around the winter should have been dubbed "Daylight Wasting Time." As I'm in the southern U.S. I'd be fine if we ditched the whole time-changing thing altogether since we benefit less from it at this latitude.
Careful, I was being a bit sarcastic but got the technical response from a poster earlier.
Will be interesting if, as solar becomes a bigger share of energy production, what is the "optimal" time to balance demand and capacity. Extra sunlight hours as people go to work or get home. If it doesn't make any difference, then let's just pick one and stick with it since it's not like there is a 50/50 split time wise as is.
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I work for a large public utility: your question ultimately gets at the issue of when the peak demand on our electrical generation/grid occurs. During winter, it often occurs in the morning when people start waking up and turning on their lights. During summer, it happens in late afternoon (like 4 pm) when air conditions are working against the moment of peak summer temperature.
Unfortunately, peak solar generation occurs when the sun is hitting the panels most directly, often around true noon, which is 1 pm during DST.
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I don't get why the one called standard time is only in effect 4ish months each year.
Exactly. What we have in place for most of the year should be "Standard" and those four months around the winter should have been dubbed "Daylight Wasting Time." As I'm in the southern U.S. I'd be fine if we ditched the whole time-changing thing altogether since we benefit less from it at this latitude.
Careful, I was being a bit sarcastic but got the technical response from a poster earlier.
Will be interesting if, as solar becomes a bigger share of energy production, what is the "optimal" time to balance demand and capacity. Extra sunlight hours as people go to work or get home. If it doesn't make any difference, then let's just pick one and stick with it since it's not like there is a 50/50 split time wise as is.
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I work for a large public utility: your question ultimately gets at the issue of when the peak demand on our electrical generation/grid occurs. During winter, it often occurs in the morning when people start waking up and turning on their lights. During summer, it happens in late afternoon (like 4 pm) when air conditions are working against the moment of peak summer temperature.
Unfortunately, peak solar generation occurs when the sun is hitting the panels most directly, often around true noon, which is 1 pm during DST.
Good data point. My main message is that we should do what is optimal within some bounds (e.g., don't change by more than a few hours since that can be too disruptive). I'm doubtful that a 1 hour change has any meaningful net benefits so either study and establish benefits of 1 hour change, identify a more optimal change within some bounds, or just stay on a single time if the net benefits are near zero.
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While we are railing against antiquated programs that no longer make sense, why does our school year still conform to agrarian schedules? What percentage of the population is that important to now? Given the numbers that have to come up with summer childcare arrangements, wouldn't year round schools make more sense? Although in my area, I'd prefer to have a 4 or 6 week blizzard season break - just stay home and hunker down when the weather will be ugly (and enjoy holidays with the family) and skip the snow day roulette. Of course, climate change is throwing a monkey wrench in predicting when we get winter weather - we've had a relatively mild winter, until now. Last week they used 2 snow days for wind related power outages, and they've pre-emptively closed school for tomorrow.
Fall Harvest. The school calendar isn't based on an agrarian schedule. We're almost the opposite. If it was, we'd have Fall and part of Spring off instead of three weeks in winter and ten weeks of Summer. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/debunking-myth-summer-vacation/
Thanks for the info. So not truly agrarian based but instead urban heat island based from an era before insulation and A/C. Still an antiquated hold over from the past that should be re-examined. Sounds like local conditions should be taken into consideration: here heat in the summer isn't much of an issue, but winter storms hitting frequently are. I wish we had 3 weeks of break at the holidays, we only generally get one week + one day, depending on how Xmas/New Year's falls. Another week in late Feb (President's day extended to a week) stolen from the old 2 week Easter break, now 1 week + 1 day. That's a fairly new change. Ten, sometimes 11 weeks in summer is too long of a break, academically at least. Start and end of the school year is already regional - we run after Labor day to the last week of June here, but I've heard other states run August to May.
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While we are railing against antiquated programs that no longer make sense, why does our school year still conform to agrarian schedules? What percentage of the population is that important to now? Given the numbers that have to come up with summer childcare arrangements, wouldn't year round schools make more sense? Although in my area, I'd prefer to have a 4 or 6 week blizzard season break - just stay home and hunker down when the weather will be ugly (and enjoy holidays with the family) and skip the snow day roulette. Of course, climate change is throwing a monkey wrench in predicting when we get winter weather - we've had a relatively mild winter, until now. Last week they used 2 snow days for wind related power outages, and they've pre-emptively closed school for tomorrow.
Fall Harvest. The school calendar isn't based on an agrarian schedule. We're almost the opposite. If it was, we'd have Fall and part of Spring off instead of three weeks in winter and ten weeks of Summer. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/debunking-myth-summer-vacation/
Thanks for the info. So not truly agrarian based but instead urban heat island based from an era before insulation and A/C. Still an antiquated hold over from the past that should be re-examined. Sounds like local conditions should be taken into consideration: here heat in the summer isn't much of an issue, but winter storms hitting frequently are. I wish we had 3 weeks of break at the holidays, we only generally get one week + one day, depending on how Xmas/New Year's falls. Another week in late Feb (President's day extended to a week) stolen from the old 2 week Easter break, now 1 week + 1 day. That's a fairly new change. Ten, sometimes 11 weeks in summer is too long of a break, academically at least. Start and end of the school year is already regional - we run after Labor day to the last week of June here, but I've heard other states run August to May.
My dad told stories of Fall harvest in northern Texas. The entire school was let out for a week or two and EVERYONE (teachers, students, principal, etc) picked cotton. It was definitely not in the summer.
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Waste of energy and effort.
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I agree with year-round DST.
The twice-per-year time change is such a disruption to people's lives and to computer systems. Seems like every time we switch the clock there's some new bug discovered for some important computer program that wasn't set up to handle it correctly.
And yet, if we standardized on "standard" time year-round, we'd have sunrise before 5 AM for a third of the year here in Seattle, and I think that's even stupider than changing the clocks back and forth all the time.
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I agree with year-round DST.
The twice-per-year time change is such a disruption to people's lives and to computer systems. Seems like every time we switch the clock there's some new bug discovered for some important computer program that wasn't set up to handle it correctly.
And yet, if we standardized on "standard" time year-round, we'd have sunrise before 5 AM for a third of the year here in Seattle, and I think that's even stupider than changing the clocks back and forth all the time.
I lived in a country where that was normal. You just learn to deal with it. It only seems weird because we shift the clocks around. Light in the morning, light at the end of the day, in the end it's all the same. You learn to live with what you have. If you shift it the other direction, then in winter you never see light until 9 or 10 in the morning. It's hit or miss not matter which way you go about it.
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I'd be curious to see whether state in-migration to Indiana changed when they adopted the DST practice 10 years ago. It could provide a sense of whether people care enough about this to change where they live based on it.
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I agree with year-round DST.
The twice-per-year time change is such a disruption to people's lives and to computer systems. Seems like every time we switch the clock there's some new bug discovered for some important computer program that wasn't set up to handle it correctly.
And yet, if we standardized on "standard" time year-round, we'd have sunrise before 5 AM for a third of the year here in Seattle, and I think that's even stupider than changing the clocks back and forth all the time.
I lived in a country where that was normal. You just learn to deal with it. It only seems weird because we shift the clocks around. Light in the morning, light at the end of the day, in the end it's all the same. You learn to live with what you have. If you shift it the other direction, then in winter you never see light until 9 or 10 in the morning. It's hit or miss not matter which way you go about it.
If anyone here has ever gone a significant amount of time without electricity, it's amazing to feel your body adjust to normal daylight rhythms. I went 6 months with no TV, no electric. The body adjusts wonderfully. Once you stop artificially forcing yourself to stay awake to watch Jimmy Fallon, then you go to sleep at a normal hour and wake up at a normal hour -- without alarms! My biggest problem was sometimes how to stay awake until at least 9pm...otherwise I'd be awake at 4 in the morning. Never felt better. I'm looking forward to the day when I can ditch all sense of other people's time to do something and follow my own routine.
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I guess I'll be the dissenter and say that DST doesn't bother me that much. I work a regular office job, so people expect me to be there at certain hours. Once had spring forward, when I get home from work there is plenty of daylight for me to take my dog for a long walk, while it was dark early before dst. For people who are cubicle dwellers, even an extra hour of daylight is a real boon.
My kids took a couple days to get used to the change. No big deal.
I don't care strongly enough about it one way or another to make a protest if they got rid of it.
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I want the evening light! I can't do much before work but I want to be outside all day and the evening is all I get!
Can't wait to retire someday.
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DST way the way.
My handles say it all.
I can tee off at 4pm and still finish a round.
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I'd be curious to see whether state in-migration to Indiana changed when they adopted the DST practice 10 years ago. It could provide a sense of whether people care enough about this to change where they live based on it.
The data might not tell the entire story though. I'm a former Illinois resident now in Indiana. There are a LOT of us and we didn't come here because of anything to do with clocks. It was all about escaping insane taxes and the corruption of IL.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4EUTMPuvHo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4EUTMPuvHo)
That is all.
Thats a funny video and that's how I feel about it too! ;)
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I was fine with DST until it was changed, should have just left well enough alone.
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I summed up my views in this thread:
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/dst-sucks-balls/ (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/dst-sucks-balls/)
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As a night shift worker, Spring Forward is lovely, but doesn't make up for the horribleness that is Fall Back. There's nothing worse than living the 0300 hour over again. Also, clock changes can be dangerous in hospitals, particularly for medications.
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Put me in the DST year round camp. Now that we're here, let's stay.
Agreed. DST ends in about two weeks here, and I'm not looking forward to it. It almost feels as though the weather changes around the same time as the clocks do.
What I'd actually consider is DST in reverse, where the time goes an hour forward in winter and back in summer. I'm sure a lot of folks wouldn't agree with me as it'd mean sunrise in winter is at almost 9.
FWIW, school summer holidays are about six weeks here, and we went back right at the hottest time of year. I'm sure some of the school buildings I was in didn't have aircon. I'm amazed that summer holidays are nearly three months in the US (are there many breaks during the school year?).
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Personally I work rotating shift in an industry that uses UTC time so I'm pretty oblivous to the whole issue. I don't get people complaining one way or another. Just keep doing what you do at the same solar relative time and let them call it something else. I hate changing twice a year.
That said I really wish Maine would go to Atlantic time zone. In mid winter sunrise is 7:10am and sunset is 4:00pm. (more like 7:20am and 3:45pm in the north). Then in summer we see the sunrise at 5am (4:40am up north), and honestly it starts getting light around 4:30am. I don't need sunrise at 4:40am. let's move that back to 5:40am ok?
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As a night shift worker, Spring Forward is lovely, but doesn't make up for the horribleness that is Fall Back. There's nothing worse than living the 0300 hour over again. Also, clock changes can be dangerous in hospitals, particularly for medications.
oh god yes. The only thing worse than working 2-3am is working it twice in one night. At least it's an hour of OT...
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I think I am the only person I know who likes the change. Mornings suck enough as is. Having to start my job in the dark all winter long would make them suck that much more. We are probably getting rid of one of them in Alberta and I hope we keep dst.
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I heard a comedian (perhaps it was Dane Cook) propose that you make the time change be five hours (!?!) instead of one. So we're all basically on London time?