Daylight Saving Time in the US

[less4success]

I'm seeing encouraging reports that a bill has passed the US Senate to get rid of twice-yearly, arbitrary clock changes:

https://twitter.com/SenateCloakroom/status/1503797632745025542

If this is true, and the House of Representatives subsequently takes action, it would go a long way toward restoring confidence in democracy (both here and abroad).

[Sibley]

Democracy? Or common sense?

Realistically, I'm surprised Daylight Savings has lasted as long as it has, what with the hell that all the mothers have to put up with twice a year from the little kids who don't exactly transition well.

[mozar]

If these idiots make dst permanent it will not restore my faith in democracy. Study after study (including the ones that are posted on that twitter feed) say that DST is bad for human health. I’m not interested in losing an hour at night just so some guy named Chad can bbq his sausage a little longer on Labor Day or whatever. Ugh!

[PDXTabs]

If these idiots make dst permanent it will not restore my faith in democracy. Study after study (including the ones that are posted on that twitter feed) say that DST is bad for human health. I’m not interested in losing an hour at night just so some guy named Chad can bbq his sausage a little longer on Labor Day or whatever. Ugh!

Why does it matter which we pick as long as we stop changing them?

Communities can decide when to start/stop bars/schools/work/etc without the intervention of the US government.

[Much Fishing to Do]

As long as we get rid of time zones I don't really care.  Its one world today, there's an instant in time or there is not.

And Feb 29th, what a stupid idea that was.

[Tempname23]

If these idiots make dst permanent it will not restore my faith in democracy. Study after study (including the ones that are posted on that twitter feed) say that DST is bad for human health. I’m not interested in losing an hour at night just so some guy named Chad can bbq his sausage a little longer on Labor Day or whatever. Ugh!

I went through two pages of search results, I found nothing about DST harming your health. There are oodles of articles proclaiming that the transition to DST is harmful to health, and the the reverse, but not as harmful. I think most of us would rather have an extra hour of daylight after getting out of work. Where I'm at, it gets dark at 4:30 in the middle of winter, if I was 30 miles to the East it would be 5:30.

[GuitarStv]

DST is dumb and should be killed with fire.

I refer you to the official MMM DST thread - https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/dst-sucks-balls/

[CodingHare]

Yeah, I'm on team give me that extra hour of daylight.  So glad there is an end in sight to clock changing idiocy.

[Blender Bender]

I/we as not teenagers anymore like permanent DST 🥳

[katsiki]

I vote to pick one and don't care which!

[Tempname23]

As long as we get rid of time zones I don't really care.  Its one world today, there's an instant in time or there is not.

That would take some getting used to, someone would be getting up at 11pm with the sun just rising.

And Feb 29th, what a stupid idea that was.

How would you solve the problem?

[DadJokes]

I certainly prefer DST if we are to go to one time year-round, but I'll take either option over the nonsense we have now.

[less4success]

If these idiots make dst permanent it will not restore my faith in democracy. Study after study (including the ones that are posted on that twitter feed) say that DST is bad for human health. I’m not interested in losing an hour at night just so some guy named Chad can bbq his sausage a little longer on Labor Day or whatever. Ugh!

I guess the time change made someone extra cranky this week ;)

[simonsez]

As long as we get rid of time zones I don't really care.  Its one world today, there's an instant in time or there is not.

That would take some getting used to, someone would be getting up at 11pm with the sun just rising.

And Feb 29th, what a stupid idea that was.

How would you solve the problem?

I'd guess they are a) not involved in agriculture and b) okay with the calendar year drifting from the astronomical year.  Even leap years (containing the aforementioned Feb 29) are not every 4 years.  Just for most of our lifetimes it wasn't worth the effort to educate that they only occur 97 out 400 years and that the year 2000 was a leap year (1700, 1800, 1900, 2100, 2200, 2300 were/will not be leap years while 1600, 2000, 2400 are/will be).  And then you can drill down further and realize that this system will result in the Gregorian calendar being off by a day every ~3000 years (in fact a dude in the 1800s proposed a system of 969 leap years for every 4000 total years to be more precise but this was never implemented).  Add to this the Earth tilts (axial precession which affects the equinoxes which is a ~26,000 year cycle) and is slowing down and it gets complicated quickly but at least the current system of years is fairly accurate.

[solon]

Did you all know permanent DST has been tried, and everyone hated it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/15/no-more-changing-clocks-history-says-be-careful-what-you-wish-daylight-saving-time/

[GuitarStv]

Did you all know permanent DST has been tried, and everyone hated it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/15/no-more-changing-clocks-history-says-be-careful-what-you-wish-daylight-saving-time/

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  Democracy simply doesn't work.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdfRRtAs3o&ab_channel=JoshReese

[less4success]

Did you all know permanent DST has been tried, and everyone hated it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/15/no-more-changing-clocks-history-says-be-careful-what-you-wish-daylight-saving-time/

I like how one of the drawbacks noted in that article is that people might go out more in the evening. The horror!

[rantk81]

Don't care if the pick ST or DT... But the changing-twice-per-year is what we need to get rid of.  (If I got to pick, I'd pick DT over ST... but really doesn't matter that much since I have flexible hours for work, and work from home anyway now.)

[Simpli-Fi]

Realistically, I'm surprised Daylight Savings has lasted as long as it has, what with the hell that all the mothers have to put up with twice a year from the little kids who don't exactly transition well.

says my wife

[solon]

Did you all know permanent DST has been tried, and everyone hated it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/15/no-more-changing-clocks-history-says-be-careful-what-you-wish-daylight-saving-time/

I like how one of the drawbacks noted in that article is that people might go out more in the evening. The horror!

Well, no. The drawback was that permanent DST increases gas consumption. In 1973. A time when we really needed to decrease gas consumption.

[GuitarStv]

Did you all know permanent DST has been tried, and everyone hated it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/15/no-more-changing-clocks-history-says-be-careful-what-you-wish-daylight-saving-time/

I like how one of the drawbacks noted in that article is that people might go out more in the evening. The horror!

Well, no. The drawback was that permanent DST increases gas consumption. In 1973. A time when we really needed to decrease gas consumption.

Everything that I've read indicates that switching the clocks results in either no change or slightly higher energy usage.  Why would gasoline consumption go up?

[less4success]

The article says that people go out in the evening more on daylight time, thus consuming more gas:

Downing and others have highlighted a number of other problems not just with year-round daylight saving time, but even with past efforts by Congress to extend it. Among them:
...
It might actually increase gasoline consumption, given that people will have more time in the evening to go outside.

[MMMarbleheader]

I like this

Probably less than a quarter of kids walk to school than they did in the 1970s so that’s a non issue (not sure it was actually an issue in the 1970s, just outrage)

As someone who gets to work at 630, almost always in the dark, this is great! Many New England states have tried to join Atlantic time zone multiple times anyways

[RetiredAt63]

As long as we get rid of time zones I don't really care.  Its one world today, there's an instant in time or there is not.

That would take some getting used to, someone would be getting up at 11pm with the sun just rising.

And Feb 29th, what a stupid idea that was.

How would you solve the problem?

I'd guess they are a) not involved in agriculture and b) okay with the calendar year drifting from the astronomical year.  Even leap years (containing the aforementioned Feb 29) are not every 4 years.  Just for most of our lifetimes it wasn't worth the effort to educate that they only occur 97 out 400 years and that the year 2000 was a leap year (1700, 1800, 1900, 2100, 2200, 2300 were/will not be leap years while 1600, 2000, 2400 are/will be).  And then you can drill down further and realize that this system will result in the Gregorian calendar being off by a day every ~3000 years (in fact a dude in the 1800s proposed a system of 969 leap years for every 4000 total years to be more precise but this was never implemented).  Add to this the Earth tilts (axial precession which affects the equinoxes which is a ~26,000 year cycle) and is slowing down and it gets complicated quickly but at least the current system of years is fairly accurate.

Don't drag in farmers.  They will work when there is daylight no matter what the clock says. And in my previous area, when the corn was ready to be combined it got dark really early, and they were out in the fields with the combines with the high beams on until easily 11 PM.  I had a field behind me and a field across the street, I saw them.  It's a lot easier for dairy farmers to not have the time change, because  the cows won't change, so milking time changes twice a year.  Think little kids massively multiplied.

[seattlecyclone]

Did you all know permanent DST has been tried, and everyone hated it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/15/no-more-changing-clocks-history-says-be-careful-what-you-wish-daylight-saving-time/

Daylight is short around here in Seattle in the winter, and long in the summer. We get about 16 hours of sunlight near the summer solstice, and a bit over eight around the winter solstice. Given this large amount of variation in day length, standardizing on one time or another means you need to pick one: morning commute during darkness in the winter, or sunrise way before you wake up in the summer. Even with the semiannual clock change we get a little bit of each.

During the winter I'm awake for all or most of the sunlight anyway, and go to sleep well after sunset, so moving an hour of darkness from evening to morning wouldn't really affect the amount of sunlight I experience. My kid already gets on the school bus before sunrise from mid-October through early February (except for a couple of weeks in November right after the time change). We're used to that. In December the sun rises a few minutes after he gets on the bus and sets less than an hour after he gets home from school. Permanent DST would add about two months of pre-dawn bus pickups to the schedule, but it would also add an hour of daylight to our evenings.

On the flip side, permanent PST would mean sunrise prior to 5 AM for four months every summer. Since I don't wake up that early that would mean I experience less sun under permanent PST than permanent DST. My vote therefore is to standardize on DST.

[bryan995]

Huzzahhh! Next to tackle is 8am meetings and then the 5 day work week.

And for those of you complaining. Do realize time as it maps to sunlight is arbitrary. Readjust your biological clock to sun hours and viola.

[seattlecyclone]

Huzzahhh! Next to tackle is 8am meetings and then the 5 day work week.

And for those of you complaining. Do realize time as it maps to sunlight is arbitrary. Readjust your biological clock to sun hours and viola.

The clock time is arbitrary until you start to commit to doing things with other people who want to do things at certain clock times (i.e. 8 AM meetings, school schedules, etc.). It's still arbitrary, but lots of social norms are arbitrary. For example most people prefer to do fun things when the work day is done instead of beforehand. Scheduling the work day to begin earlier in the daylight hours (or even beforehand in the winter) maximizes the amount of daylight available afterward for recreation.

[simonsez]

As long as we get rid of time zones I don't really care.  Its one world today, there's an instant in time or there is not.

That would take some getting used to, someone would be getting up at 11pm with the sun just rising.

And Feb 29th, what a stupid idea that was.

How would you solve the problem?

I'd guess they are a) not involved in agriculture and b) okay with the calendar year drifting from the astronomical year.  Even leap years (containing the aforementioned Feb 29) are not every 4 years.  Just for most of our lifetimes it wasn't worth the effort to educate that they only occur 97 out 400 years and that the year 2000 was a leap year (1700, 1800, 1900, 2100, 2200, 2300 were/will not be leap years while 1600, 2000, 2400 are/will be).  And then you can drill down further and realize that this system will result in the Gregorian calendar being off by a day every ~3000 years (in fact a dude in the 1800s proposed a system of 969 leap years for every 4000 total years to be more precise but this was never implemented).  Add to this the Earth tilts (axial precession which affects the equinoxes which is a ~26,000 year cycle) and is slowing down and it gets complicated quickly but at least the current system of years is fairly accurate.

Don't drag in farmers.  They will work when there is daylight no matter what the clock says. And in my previous area, when the corn was ready to be combined it got dark really early, and they were out in the fields with the combines with the high beams on until easily 11 PM.  I had a field behind me and a field across the street, I saw them.  It's a lot easier for dairy farmers to not have the time change, because  the cows won't change, so milking time changes twice a year.  Think little kids massively multiplied.

I wasn't talking about the clock for farmers, I was talking about the year.  Having a calendar year line up with the astronomical year (the point at which the Earth is in the same spot revolving around the Sun) makes agriculture more predictable.  If we used a 365 day calendar that didn't have leap days built in, we would shift away from lining up with an astronomical year and when to do certain farming activities throughout the year would be a little more difficult (or maybe obnoxious to try to nail down a long-time schedule unless allowed the solstices and equinoxes to also shift in which the seasons would be in different months and so on, easier to just have the calendar line up with the astronomical year).  No doubt, farmers get up when they need to on a daily basis but that's not what I was referring to.

[nessness]

As long as we get rid of time zones I don't really care.  Its one world today, there's an instant in time or there is not.

That would take some getting used to, someone would be getting up at 11pm with the sun just rising.

And Feb 29th, what a stupid idea that was.

How would you solve the problem?

I'd guess they are a) not involved in agriculture and b) okay with the calendar year drifting from the astronomical year.  Even leap years (containing the aforementioned Feb 29) are not every 4 years.  Just for most of our lifetimes it wasn't worth the effort to educate that they only occur 97 out 400 years and that the year 2000 was a leap year (1700, 1800, 1900, 2100, 2200, 2300 were/will not be leap years while 1600, 2000, 2400 are/will be).  And then you can drill down further and realize that this system will result in the Gregorian calendar being off by a day every ~3000 years (in fact a dude in the 1800s proposed a system of 969 leap years for every 4000 total years to be more precise but this was never implemented).  Add to this the Earth tilts (axial precession which affects the equinoxes which is a ~26,000 year cycle) and is slowing down and it gets complicated quickly but at least the current system of years is fairly accurate.

Don't drag in farmers.  They will work when there is daylight no matter what the clock says. And in my previous area, when the corn was ready to be combined it got dark really early, and they were out in the fields with the combines with the high beams on until easily 11 PM.  I had a field behind me and a field across the street, I saw them.  It's a lot easier for dairy farmers to not have the time change, because  the cows won't change, so milking time changes twice a year.  Think little kids massively multiplied.

I wasn't talking about the clock for farmers, I was talking about the year.  Having a calendar year line up with the astronomical year (the point at which the Earth is in the same spot revolving around the Sun) makes agriculture more predictable.  If we used a 365 day calendar that didn't have leap days built in, we would shift away from lining up with an astronomical year and when to do certain farming activities throughout the year would be a little more difficult (or maybe obnoxious to try to nail down a long-time schedule unless allowed the solstices and equinoxes to also shift in which the seasons would be in different months and so on, easier to just have the calendar line up with the astronomical year).  No doubt, farmers get up when they need to on a daily basis but that's not what I was referring to.

But now that climate change has made the historical climate records useless, what better time than this to go ahead and get rid of leap years!

Kidding, sort of.

[bryan995]

Huzzahhh! Next to tackle is 8am meetings and then the 5 day work week.

And for those of you complaining. Do realize time as it maps to sunlight is arbitrary. Readjust your biological clock to sun hours and viola.

The clock time is arbitrary until you start to commit to doing things with other people who want to do things at certain clock times (i.e. 8 AM meetings, school schedules, etc.). It's still arbitrary, but lots of social norms are arbitrary. For example most people prefer to do fun things when the work day is done instead of beforehand. Scheduling the work day to begin earlier in the daylight hours (or even beforehand in the winter) maximizes the amount of daylight available afterward for recreation.

Very true.  But look at what happened to the social norm of commuting to the office and logging 9 hours butt-in-seat per day.  At least for most corporate jobs, WFH is now a thing and is becoming widely accepted.  I for one will never commute nor work in another office, ever, ever again.

Next up is the 4 day work week.  We can do it.

[JLee]

I don't particularly care which one we use, just stop moving them around...

[GuitarStv]

Very true.  But look at what happened to the social norm of commuting to the office and logging 9 hours butt-in-seat per day.  At least for most corporate jobs, WFH is now a thing and is becoming widely accepted.  I for one will never commute nor work in another office, ever, ever again.

I like the optimism here.  It will be interesting to see if WFH becomes a thing that people actually accept going forward.  From what I'm hearing from a lot of my friends, the majority of employers seem to be interested in pushing for forced commutes again by the end of this year.

[chemistk]

I'm shocked at how strongly I feel about this.

Generally, I've been hoping for a long time that we would get rid of clock changes and for that this would be a net win.

But I do have to say, I kind of feel personally attacked being a morning person. I know the kids would like to have some extra daylight in the winter but DS doesn't exactly align with "standard work hours". In fact, most of the people in my building and the businesses nearby start their workday sometime between 6:30 and 7:30AM.

And it looks like I'm not the only one who would rather see standard time (AKA driving to work with daylight, which especially in the winter is wildly safer than not).

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/politics/national-politics/daylight-saving-time-bill-passes-senate/67-acf0e1cb-3070-4f9f-8534-7bfc81904ebf#:~:text=Last%20year%2C%20Rubio%20reintroduced%20the%20Sunshine%20Protection%20Act,2018%2C%20Florida%20lawmakers%20voted%20to%20enact%20DST%20year-round.

The poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found only 25 percent of Americans said they preferred to switch back-and-forth between Standard and Daylight Saving Time. Forty-three percent of Americans said they would like to see Standard Time used during the entire year. Thirty-two percent say they would prefer that Daylight Saving Time be used all year.

But then there's this bullshit from Rubio (underlined)

"Twenty states and a huge majority of Americans want to stay in Daylight Saving Time all year round, and we now have bipartisan and bicameral support to do just that. So please, let's just lock the clock once and for all and put all this stupidity behind us," Rubio said previously.

I suspect this has an ulterior motive - the Florida nightlife (across the state frankly) would see a not-insignificant benefit from this.

I guess it's better than nothing, but to propose a bill and set the clocks to "DS" where a majority of Americans would prefer "ST" is pretty shitty.

Or in other words, how did Republicans manage to ruin this one?!?

[DeniseNJ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2itlUlD10M
This is why we have leap years and they are super important or you'd end up eventually with spring in December.

[MMMarbleheader]

All new england states have voted to move to permanent DST or Atlantic Canada time. The sun set at 4pm in the winter is pretty brutal. I too work at 6:30am and am pretty used to waking up in the dark aside from the summer. Dark to 8:30am will be tough, but I would rather be able to ski outside in the winter without a head lamp after work. 

[wageslave23]

I'm shocked at how strongly I feel about this.

Generally, I've been hoping for a long time that we would get rid of clock changes and for that this would be a net win.

But I do have to say, I kind of feel personally attacked being a morning person. I know the kids would like to have some extra daylight in the winter but DS doesn't exactly align with "standard work hours". In fact, most of the people in my building and the businesses nearby start their workday sometime between 6:30 and 7:30AM.

And it looks like I'm not the only one who would rather see standard time (AKA driving to work with daylight, which especially in the winter is wildly safer than not).

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/politics/national-politics/daylight-saving-time-bill-passes-senate/67-acf0e1cb-3070-4f9f-8534-7bfc81904ebf#:~:text=Last%20year%2C%20Rubio%20reintroduced%20the%20Sunshine%20Protection%20Act,2018%2C%20Florida%20lawmakers%20voted%20to%20enact%20DST%20year-round.

The poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found only 25 percent of Americans said they preferred to switch back-and-forth between Standard and Daylight Saving Time. Forty-three percent of Americans said they would like to see Standard Time used during the entire year. Thirty-two percent say they would prefer that Daylight Saving Time be used all year.

But then there's this bullshit from Rubio (underlined)

"Twenty states and a huge majority of Americans want to stay in Daylight Saving Time all year round, and we now have bipartisan and bicameral support to do just that. So please, let's just lock the clock once and for all and put all this stupidity behind us," Rubio said previously.

I suspect this has an ulterior motive - the Florida nightlife (across the state frankly) would see a not-insignificant benefit from this.

I guess it's better than nothing, but to propose a bill and set the clocks to "DS" where a majority of Americans would prefer "ST" is pretty shitty.

Or in other words, how did Republicans manage to ruin this one?!?

This is a bipartisan bill that passed unanimously, so you can turn down the republican hate.

[JLee]

I'm shocked at how strongly I feel about this.

Generally, I've been hoping for a long time that we would get rid of clock changes and for that this would be a net win.

But I do have to say, I kind of feel personally attacked being a morning person. I know the kids would like to have some extra daylight in the winter but DS doesn't exactly align with "standard work hours". In fact, most of the people in my building and the businesses nearby start their workday sometime between 6:30 and 7:30AM.

And it looks like I'm not the only one who would rather see standard time (AKA driving to work with daylight, which especially in the winter is wildly safer than not).

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/politics/national-politics/daylight-saving-time-bill-passes-senate/67-acf0e1cb-3070-4f9f-8534-7bfc81904ebf#:~:text=Last%20year%2C%20Rubio%20reintroduced%20the%20Sunshine%20Protection%20Act,2018%2C%20Florida%20lawmakers%20voted%20to%20enact%20DST%20year-round.

The poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found only 25 percent of Americans said they preferred to switch back-and-forth between Standard and Daylight Saving Time. Forty-three percent of Americans said they would like to see Standard Time used during the entire year. Thirty-two percent say they would prefer that Daylight Saving Time be used all year.

But then there's this bullshit from Rubio (underlined)

"Twenty states and a huge majority of Americans want to stay in Daylight Saving Time all year round, and we now have bipartisan and bicameral support to do just that. So please, let's just lock the clock once and for all and put all this stupidity behind us," Rubio said previously.

I suspect this has an ulterior motive - the Florida nightlife (across the state frankly) would see a not-insignificant benefit from this.

I guess it's better than nothing, but to propose a bill and set the clocks to "DS" where a majority of Americans would prefer "ST" is pretty shitty.

Or in other words, how did Republicans manage to ruin this one?!?

Is it also not safer to drive home from work in daylight?  Sunset in NJ is 4:32pm in December. Not all of us get out of work in early afternoon, lol.

[wenchsenior]

I vote to pick one and don't care which!

100% agree. It's one of the reasons I miss living in Arizona!

[chemistk]

I'm shocked at how strongly I feel about this.

Generally, I've been hoping for a long time that we would get rid of clock changes and for that this would be a net win.

But I do have to say, I kind of feel personally attacked being a morning person. I know the kids would like to have some extra daylight in the winter but DS doesn't exactly align with "standard work hours". In fact, most of the people in my building and the businesses nearby start their workday sometime between 6:30 and 7:30AM.

And it looks like I'm not the only one who would rather see standard time (AKA driving to work with daylight, which especially in the winter is wildly safer than not).

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/politics/national-politics/daylight-saving-time-bill-passes-senate/67-acf0e1cb-3070-4f9f-8534-7bfc81904ebf#:~:text=Last%20year%2C%20Rubio%20reintroduced%20the%20Sunshine%20Protection%20Act,2018%2C%20Florida%20lawmakers%20voted%20to%20enact%20DST%20year-round.

The poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found only 25 percent of Americans said they preferred to switch back-and-forth between Standard and Daylight Saving Time. Forty-three percent of Americans said they would like to see Standard Time used during the entire year. Thirty-two percent say they would prefer that Daylight Saving Time be used all year.

But then there's this bullshit from Rubio (underlined)

"Twenty states and a huge majority of Americans want to stay in Daylight Saving Time all year round, and we now have bipartisan and bicameral support to do just that. So please, let's just lock the clock once and for all and put all this stupidity behind us," Rubio said previously.

I suspect this has an ulterior motive - the Florida nightlife (across the state frankly) would see a not-insignificant benefit from this.

I guess it's better than nothing, but to propose a bill and set the clocks to "DS" where a majority of Americans would prefer "ST" is pretty shitty.

Or in other words, how did Republicans manage to ruin this one?!?

This is a bipartisan bill that passed unanimously, so you can turn down the republican hate.

That was an unnecessary sentiment at the end, I agree. I guess I find it frustrating that the intent of the bill goes counter to what a significant part of the population would prefer.

[chemistk]

I'm shocked at how strongly I feel about this.

Generally, I've been hoping for a long time that we would get rid of clock changes and for that this would be a net win.

But I do have to say, I kind of feel personally attacked being a morning person. I know the kids would like to have some extra daylight in the winter but DS doesn't exactly align with "standard work hours". In fact, most of the people in my building and the businesses nearby start their workday sometime between 6:30 and 7:30AM.

And it looks like I'm not the only one who would rather see standard time (AKA driving to work with daylight, which especially in the winter is wildly safer than not).

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/politics/national-politics/daylight-saving-time-bill-passes-senate/67-acf0e1cb-3070-4f9f-8534-7bfc81904ebf#:~:text=Last%20year%2C%20Rubio%20reintroduced%20the%20Sunshine%20Protection%20Act,2018%2C%20Florida%20lawmakers%20voted%20to%20enact%20DST%20year-round.

The poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found only 25 percent of Americans said they preferred to switch back-and-forth between Standard and Daylight Saving Time. Forty-three percent of Americans said they would like to see Standard Time used during the entire year. Thirty-two percent say they would prefer that Daylight Saving Time be used all year.

But then there's this bullshit from Rubio (underlined)

"Twenty states and a huge majority of Americans want to stay in Daylight Saving Time all year round, and we now have bipartisan and bicameral support to do just that. So please, let's just lock the clock once and for all and put all this stupidity behind us," Rubio said previously.

I suspect this has an ulterior motive - the Florida nightlife (across the state frankly) would see a not-insignificant benefit from this.

I guess it's better than nothing, but to propose a bill and set the clocks to "DS" where a majority of Americans would prefer "ST" is pretty shitty.

Or in other words, how did Republicans manage to ruin this one?!?

Is it also not safer to drive home from work in daylight?  Sunset in NJ is 4:32pm in December. Not all of us get out of work in early afternoon, lol.

This is very true, and it's better for kids after they get out of school to have extra daylight. Like I said, ultimately it's a net win to remove the biannual clocking changing so I guess I'll just have to find a way to not be too upset about it.

[CodingHare]

20 states passing laws saying they want to switch to DS doesn't seem like a majority of people wanting ST to me.  But then, I live in Washington state, and as @seattlecyclone mentioned ST would mean less sunshine for us.  I suspect if they had chosen ST we'd have folks equally passionate about why that was a horrifying move.  Democracy: you can't please everyone at the same time.

In other news, I predict a surge in those sunlight replicating lamps people use to wake up in mornings.

[OtherJen]

20 states passing laws saying they want to switch to DS doesn't seem like a majority of people wanting ST to me.  But then, I live in Washington state, and as @seattlecyclone mentioned ST would mean less sunshine for us.  I suspect if they had chosen ST we'd have folks equally passionate about why that was a horrifying move.  Democracy: you can't please everyone at the same time.

In other news, I predict a surge in those sunlight replicating lamps people use to wake up in mornings.

Probably. With year-round DST, sunrise won't be until 9 AM in late December and early January. Sunset at 5:45 (vs. 4:45) PM will be pleasant, though.

[Cranky]

I'm shocked at how strongly I feel about this.

Generally, I've been hoping for a long time that we would get rid of clock changes and for that this would be a net win.

But I do have to say, I kind of feel personally attacked being a morning person. I know the kids would like to have some extra daylight in the winter but DS doesn't exactly align with "standard work hours". In fact, most of the people in my building and the businesses nearby start their workday sometime between 6:30 and 7:30AM.

And it looks like I'm not the only one who would rather see standard time (AKA driving to work with daylight, which especially in the winter is wildly safer than not).

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/politics/national-politics/daylight-saving-time-bill-passes-senate/67-acf0e1cb-3070-4f9f-8534-7bfc81904ebf#:~:text=Last%20year%2C%20Rubio%20reintroduced%20the%20Sunshine%20Protection%20Act,2018%2C%20Florida%20lawmakers%20voted%20to%20enact%20DST%20year-round.

The poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found only 25 percent of Americans said they preferred to switch back-and-forth between Standard and Daylight Saving Time. Forty-three percent of Americans said they would like to see Standard Time used during the entire year. Thirty-two percent say they would prefer that Daylight Saving Time be used all year.

But then there's this bullshit from Rubio (underlined)

"Twenty states and a huge majority of Americans want to stay in Daylight Saving Time all year round, and we now have bipartisan and bicameral support to do just that. So please, let's just lock the clock once and for all and put all this stupidity behind us," Rubio said previously.

I suspect this has an ulterior motive - the Florida nightlife (across the state frankly) would see a not-insignificant benefit from this.

I guess it's better than nothing, but to propose a bill and set the clocks to "DS" where a majority of Americans would prefer "ST" is pretty shitty.

Or in other words, how did Republicans manage to ruin this one?!?

The summer/winter time difference isn’t that great in Florida, though.

I found DST less annoying when it was limited to summer.

[dandarc]

No coincidence this is happening this year - Rubio has done nothing at all of any consequence during his entire tenure in the Senate and the voters via the legislature of Florida basically tasked him specifically with this job when the law here passed. Of course I suspect a year-round standard time bill would have also passed in Florida (if the we voted directly on it anyway) since the main thing is really just "stop changing the clocks" - but that direction had the political downside of being implementable more or less immediately, so we got to have 5 more years of show about this.

[Catbert]

Realistically, I'm surprised Daylight Savings has lasted as long as it has, what with the hell that all the mothers have to put up with twice a year from the little kids who don't exactly transition well.

says my wife

Cats are even harder to reason with than toddlers.  And they have a better sense of time.

[Channel-Z]

I prefer shifting the clock twice a year so my sunrise isn't close to 9:00 in the morning in the winter, or 4:30 in the morning in the summer. But, I also would like a month of hibernation in the winter.

[Much Fishing to Do]

As long as we get rid of time zones I don't really care.  Its one world today, there's an instant in time or there is not.

That would take some getting used to, someone would be getting up at 11pm with the sun just rising.

And Feb 29th, what a stupid idea that was.

How would you solve the problem?

I guess I just don't get the 11pm wake up "problem" except for the fact that we've created the problem.  Once one gets used to your wake up time being called 11pm, then your used to it.  Heck in Australia it doesn't blow their mind that they go to the beach in January, because they are used to going to the beach in January.

As far as Feb 29th, so the basic seasons shifting some 2 weeks over the course of my lifetime is really gonna throw me off somehow? (OK, so maybe this one is a little tongue in cheek, as Feb 29th does seem to be a simple way to fix the issue....but hey, its interesting to think about...)

[HPstache]

I'm shocked at how strongly I feel about this.

Generally, I've been hoping for a long time that we would get rid of clock changes and for that this would be a net win.

But I do have to say, I kind of feel personally attacked being a morning person. I know the kids would like to have some extra daylight in the winter but DS doesn't exactly align with "standard work hours". In fact, most of the people in my building and the businesses nearby start their workday sometime between 6:30 and 7:30AM.

And it looks like I'm not the only one who would rather see standard time (AKA driving to work with daylight, which especially in the winter is wildly safer than not).

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/politics/national-politics/daylight-saving-time-bill-passes-senate/67-acf0e1cb-3070-4f9f-8534-7bfc81904ebf#:~:text=Last%20year%2C%20Rubio%20reintroduced%20the%20Sunshine%20Protection%20Act,2018%2C%20Florida%20lawmakers%20voted%20to%20enact%20DST%20year-round.

The poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found only 25 percent of Americans said they preferred to switch back-and-forth between Standard and Daylight Saving Time. Forty-three percent of Americans said they would like to see Standard Time used during the entire year. Thirty-two percent say they would prefer that Daylight Saving Time be used all year.

But then there's this bullshit from Rubio (underlined)

"Twenty states and a huge majority of Americans want to stay in Daylight Saving Time all year round, and we now have bipartisan and bicameral support to do just that. So please, let's just lock the clock once and for all and put all this stupidity behind us," Rubio said previously.

I suspect this has an ulterior motive - the Florida nightlife (across the state frankly) would see a not-insignificant benefit from this.

I guess it's better than nothing, but to propose a bill and set the clocks to "DS" where a majority of Americans would prefer "ST" is pretty shitty.

Or in other words, how did Republicans manage to ruin this one?!?

How about if we compromise and "fall back" 30 minutes and stick with it :P

[DadJokes]

I'm shocked at how strongly I feel about this.

Generally, I've been hoping for a long time that we would get rid of clock changes and for that this would be a net win.

But I do have to say, I kind of feel personally attacked being a morning person. I know the kids would like to have some extra daylight in the winter but DS doesn't exactly align with "standard work hours". In fact, most of the people in my building and the businesses nearby start their workday sometime between 6:30 and 7:30AM.

And it looks like I'm not the only one who would rather see standard time (AKA driving to work with daylight, which especially in the winter is wildly safer than not).

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/politics/national-politics/daylight-saving-time-bill-passes-senate/67-acf0e1cb-3070-4f9f-8534-7bfc81904ebf#:~:text=Last%20year%2C%20Rubio%20reintroduced%20the%20Sunshine%20Protection%20Act,2018%2C%20Florida%20lawmakers%20voted%20to%20enact%20DST%20year-round.

The poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found only 25 percent of Americans said they preferred to switch back-and-forth between Standard and Daylight Saving Time. Forty-three percent of Americans said they would like to see Standard Time used during the entire year. Thirty-two percent say they would prefer that Daylight Saving Time be used all year.

But then there's this bullshit from Rubio (underlined)

"Twenty states and a huge majority of Americans want to stay in Daylight Saving Time all year round, and we now have bipartisan and bicameral support to do just that. So please, let's just lock the clock once and for all and put all this stupidity behind us," Rubio said previously.

I suspect this has an ulterior motive - the Florida nightlife (across the state frankly) would see a not-insignificant benefit from this.

I guess it's better than nothing, but to propose a bill and set the clocks to "DS" where a majority of Americans would prefer "ST" is pretty shitty.

Or in other words, how did Republicans manage to ruin this one?!?

How about if we compromise and "fall back" 30 minutes and stick with it :P

I'm sure that would somehow benefit Republicans more than Democrats and be unacceptable as well.

However, I do like that compromise. It's not there aren't time zones that are 30 minutes off from other time zones. I know the parts of Afghanistan I vacationed in are like that.

[seattlecyclone]

However, I do like that compromise. It's not there aren't time zones that are 30 minutes off from other time zones. I know the parts of Afghanistan I vacationed in are like that.

Heck, Newfoundland in Canada has a half-hour offset. Makes the time math a bit harder if you're trying to coordinate with people in most other countries though.

If some places would prefer to stick with standard time year round I'd rather let people choose that on a state-by-state basis. The current law lets states opt out of clock switching, but only if they go with standard time. Letting states go either way and stick with it seems like a better solution than forcing daylight time on everyone, especially in Arizona and Hawaii where they've never done daylight time in the first place.