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Cruising (sailing): Ever consider it?
« on: January 08, 2014, 02:01:38 PM »
A while back, I got hooked on the idea of cruising (sailing full time).  After much research, I realized it is not for me (i.e. I am terrified of water, ha).  However, the idea of it tapped into the MMM side of me: being frugal, living independently, not having/wanting to have a full time desk job, being adventurous, being healthy and in the outdoors, etc.   

Has anyone else considered this here?  For some, it is a great path to low cost of living, adventure, and early retirement. 

Here is my favorite blog all about cruising.  Enjoy. 

http://www.windtraveler.net
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2014, 02:07:58 PM »

I have an aunt/uncle that did it for years (and have lived very MMM'ian lives for a long time).   He retired at 48 and cruised off and on until his 70s.   He was always a bit of "my hero" -- though the full-time sailing life is probably not for me.

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2014, 02:17:36 PM »
I have read most things on this blog/ forum and am surprised that it has not been discussed much.   

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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2014, 02:22:33 PM »
Absolutely! In fact, a book I read before MMM was really laying out the same principles. Living on a boat can be frugal if you make it that way. It really does force you to consider what possesions you really "need"

http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Small-Income-2nd-Edition/dp/1888671378

Doesn't get much more mustachian sounding than that, right?

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2014, 02:24:03 PM »
Touring by foot or bike would also be an adventure and less gear intense.

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2014, 02:25:07 PM »
I assume you mean cruising with your own sailboat, not taking a cruise on a floating hotel?

We have family friend that did that.  My parents have a tablecloth that all dinner guests sign (and my mom embroiders in the name).  Many stories in there, with quirky things people signed, or even just the person with 6 last names (5 marriages...).  One Coast Guard officer (classmate maybe of my dad?) signed and drew a sailboat that my mom faithfully embroidered in with a "60 days!" note.  60 days later he quit the CG and intended to sail until he ran out of money.  Last my parents heard, many years later, he was still sailing, supplementing his savings with odd jobs to pay for his lifestyle.

Doable.  But just don't do it Lost at Sea style.  My sailor friend and I were a bit horrified in a hysterical laughter way at some of the mistakes he made: http://www.pressherald.com/news/Maine_sailors_say_lost-at-sea_film_is_worth_its_salt_.html (seen with free tickets my parents won and gifted me).

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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2014, 02:26:39 PM »
Not as a "permanent" thing, but I am interested in including a few non-consecutive one-year periods of cruising in the 2020s.

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Re: Cruising: Ever consider it?
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2014, 02:27:36 PM »
"Touring by foot or bike…"

True, but I think most people like the idea of having a 'home' or place to hang your hat. 

Blog that I am reading: they own a medium/ high end boat that cost them $150,000.  That is nothing compared to a traditional house. 

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2014, 03:03:14 PM »
"Touring by foot or bike…"

True, but I think most people like the idea of having a 'home' or place to hang your hat. 


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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2014, 03:07:27 PM »
I have sort of pondered it as something I might be interested in someday. I love sailing but I've never been on anything bigger than an E scow.

on second thought, E Scows are pretty long so maybe that is the wrong way to say it... I've never been on a boat you can live on.

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2014, 03:14:21 PM »
"Touring by foot or bike…"

We are talking about two different things here. 

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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2014, 04:18:12 PM »
Blog that I am reading: they own a medium/ high end boat that cost them $150,000.  That is nothing compared to a traditional house.

Depends on where you live.  That's what I paid for my place (admittedly some years ago) in an area of moderately high prices.  Places in the midwest go for much less...

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2014, 04:48:48 PM »
My 22-year old daughter and her boyfriend of the same age "retired" last June and sold all their possessions, house, furniture and all these useless things we accumulate, and left for Nanaimo where they bought a nice 36' Catalina sailboat for under $40,000. They are presently outfitting it for a long trip around the world, with a planned departure date sometime in the summer. In the meantime, they live cheaply in an old camping trailer with their two dogs in a beautiful campground overlooking the Pacific Ocean, trekking in the surrounding forests with the dogs, fishing for crabs, or drinking cappuccino in one of the cool coffee shops of downtown Nanaimo, when they are not "working" on the boat...I am a little envious, but I am proud of them for taking the "plunge" and leaving the 9-to-5 routine which is -but not necessarily mandatory- the daily lot for most of us.
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Re: Cruising: Ever consider it?
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2014, 06:19:23 PM »
I have definitely considered cruising! I read TONS of sailing blogs (such as Windtraveler and World Tour Stories), and they are very addicting. We do want to do this at some point in our life, but we are a little scared. Getting into cruising seems like it might be little hard (learning how to do all the upkeep), but it sounds like a lot of fun.

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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2014, 06:44:27 PM »
Ooooh! Ha! Cruising has a very different connotation in some circles. I was expecting a much more... interesting conversation.

This topic makes much more sense for MMM. Although, I suppose that the other kind is pretty frugal entertainment if you're into that sort of thing.

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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2014, 06:47:52 PM »
I read this one blog where they lived their life sailing.. Only recently decided to sell the boat and do some RV crusing by land!  It's a fun read.

http://www.bumfuzzle.com/

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2014, 06:55:16 PM »
Used to work as a cleaner for a charter boat company when I was in college.  Lots of people who worked there lived on small boats (of the $25k variety.)  The company ran charters in the summer on the East coast, then in the winter they would sail the boats to the Virgin Islands for the winter season. Not a bad way to live.

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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2014, 07:03:35 PM »
A while back, I got hooked on the idea of cruising (sailing full time).  After much research, I realized it is not for me (i.e. I am terrified of water, ha).  However, the idea of it tapped into the MMM side of me: being frugal, living independently, not having/wanting to have a full time desk job, being adventurous, being healthy and in the outdoors, etc.   

Has anyone else considered this here?  For some, it is a great path to low cost of living, adventure, and early retirement. 

Here is my favorite blog all about cruising.  Enjoy. 

http://www.windtraveler.net
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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2014, 08:54:13 PM »
Cruising is probably the most important reason why I want to FIRE.

I'm still pondering if I should wait to be FI or do it sooner and start working again when money runs out.

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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2014, 09:05:59 PM »
I read this one blog where they lived their life sailing.. Only recently decided to sell the boat and do some RV crusing by land!  It's a fun read.

http://www.bumfuzzle.com/

A great read!  Years ago (while working) I would read their early posts of sailing around the world and I was able to travel the high seas vicariously from my cubicle.  :)

I think they settled down for some land based adventure for a while in Mexico, but I haven't visited their blog in a while.  I like the fact that they are fairly realistic in showing the problems they encounter.  In other words, sailing your own catamaran around the world presented the occasional frustration.  :)

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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2014, 09:57:05 PM »
In the meantime, they live cheaply in an old camping trailer with their two dogs...

I dunno.  I would never take a dog further from shore than s/he could swim.

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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2014, 12:01:49 AM »
Hi guys,

I have been lurking on the forums for a few months now after finding the MMM blog but after reading this topic I thought I would contribute.

I am 32, single, working in the military in Australia. I started out in the army but three years ago transferred to the Navy looking for the next adventure which started/re invigorated a fascination with the sea.

At the stat of the year I posted into a unit with a mate who I had not seen for 10 years.  We became good friends again and he told me how he had forced himself on to a 'soup diet' to pay off a financial indiscretion a number of years ago and had since saved 30k.  I was intrigued and commenced my own frugal lifestyle.  One day whilst chatting one of us mentioned something about sailing which lead to us deciding to take up sailing as a hobby.  The plan was to do a sailing course at the local yacht club then we would both buy a little sailing dinghy each for 1-2k. First sailing lesson and we both knew we were hooked.  Trawling the internet for boats we were both drawn to larger yachts which lead us to both chip in $5000 and to buy a $10,000 25ft yacht that we would share.

I started reading cruising forums and was intrigued by the lifestyle, finding MMM forum tied everything together and I had a light bulb moment when I realised how frugal I could be living on a yacht.

-So 6 months after buying the yacht:

-I live on board in a marina. (my mate can't as he has a wife and is jealous that I can, though he is doing a good job selling the lifestyle to her as long as she can live in a bigger boat and bring the cat (cost $300 per fortnight as opposed to $1000 which I was paying for my apartment))

- I supplement my groceries with fresh fish I catch 300m away from where I live, sold my car and ride my bike to the shops and carpooling with my mate to go to work. (I may buy a motorbike in the coming months)

- Weekends my mate and I go sailing and work on the boat expanding our repertoire of DIY skills. (currently learning about painting fiberglass so we can paint the hull ourselves.) Oh if anyone out there has experience with boat wiring and electrics would love some tips))

- Currently my FI plan has me retiring in 10 years, upgrading ot a larger yacht in this time then with retirement having the freedom to sail to whatever city I want (or island chain, Whitsundays first stop) and supplementing my passive income with casual work in cafes or pubs (any job that does not require responsibility will be sought)
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Re: Cruising: Ever consider it?
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2014, 05:47:26 AM »
dusty, that sounds amazing. You should think about starting a journal. A 25' boat doesn't have tons of living space and it would be interesting to hear more about your day to day.


My only problem with cruising is that I'm intimidated by my own lack of experience. The spouse and I love the idea of living on a boat and sailing the world. We even took a couple of sailing classes at a local marina. But then I read a blog like WindTraveller where they've both been sailing for years and I feel unqualified to even imagine going on open water.

I probably just need to start volunteering to crew other people's boats on the weekends like Jacob at ERE. But I wonder how many hours/years of sailing experience one needs in order to confidently pilot a boat around the world?

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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2014, 06:54:09 AM »
Ooooh! Ha! Cruising has a very different connotation in some circles. I was expecting a much more... interesting conversation.

This topic makes much more sense for MMM. Although, I suppose that the other kind is pretty frugal entertainment if you're into that sort of thing.

haha! I was also taken aback when I first saw the subject line.

and dusty, that sounds awesome!!!

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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2014, 07:30:16 AM »
I read this one blog where they lived their life sailing.. Only recently decided to sell the boat and do some RV crusing by land!  It's a fun read.

http://www.bumfuzzle.com/

A great read!  Years ago (while working) I would read their early posts of sailing around the world and I was able to travel the high seas vicariously from my cubicle.  :)

I think they settled down for some land based adventure for a while in Mexico, but I haven't visited their blog in a while.  I like the fact that they are fairly realistic in showing the problems they encounter.  In other words, sailing your own catamaran around the world presented the occasional frustration.  :)

The wife and I read bumfuzzle regularly (via RSS) as well.  It's nice that they aren't trying to sell anything - so many of the other travel the world sites are funded via them pushing their ebooks/mentoring/etc.

It's also one of the few travel blogs with kids, not a solo traveler or couples, which is what we're planning on doing.

Ooooh! Ha! Cruising has a very different connotation in some circles. I was expecting a much more... interesting conversation.

This topic makes much more sense for MMM. Although, I suppose that the other kind is pretty frugal entertainment if you're into that sort of thing.
haha! I was also taken aback when I first saw the subject line.

The first time I saw the headline I thought it would be about "slow riding in a car through a town".  Then I read it and saw it meant sailing.  Then I promptly forgot, because when I read it this morning and clicked I thought it would be about traveling on cruise ships.
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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2014, 08:11:03 AM »
A coworker's parents went sailing for 2 years around the world, and they sent long, long emails with photos (this was just before blogging became a thing) and it was wonderful to watch.

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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2014, 01:48:11 PM »
The wife and I read bumfuzzle regularly (via RSS) as well.  It's nice that they aren't trying to sell anything - so many of the other travel the world sites are funded via them pushing their ebooks/mentoring/etc.

It's also one of the few travel blogs with kids, not a solo traveler or couples, which is what we're planning on doing.


The site is nice and "clean".  They have some revenue generating items like books they sell through Amazon.  Site says copyright 2003-2014.  I can't believe they have been living it up for 11 years (and I've been reading them off and on for almost 10).  Do you remember how they made their nest egg?  I think the guy was a commodities floor trader in Chicago?  Must have made it big and then called it quits? 


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The first time I saw the headline I thought it would be about "slow riding in a car through a town".  Then I read it and saw it meant sailing.  Then I promptly forgot, because when I read it this morning and clicked I thought it would be about traveling on cruise ships.

I was looking forward to a thread about traveling on cruise ships when I clicked the thread.  Something our household enjoys every few years. 

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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2014, 03:36:54 PM »
Bumfuzzle!  What a great blog!  I am now reconsidering this idea.  I only need to get over my fear of water and convince my spouse who loves his job and our current suburb lifestyle, no biggie. 

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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2014, 10:14:43 PM »
The site is nice and "clean".  They have some revenue generating items like books they sell through Amazon.  Site says copyright 2003-2014.  I can't believe they have been living it up for 11 years (and I've been reading them off and on for almost 10).  Do you remember how they made their nest egg?  I think the guy was a commodities floor trader in Chicago?  Must have made it big and then called it quits? 

So...you have been reading them for 10 years of the 11 years they have been blogging and expect "us" to answer this question? I can't tell if this question is sarcastic or not, but if not there is "the google"

http://www.sailfarlivefree.com/2012/12/what-does-it-cost-to-go-cruising.html

So they were the most expensive on the list which still seems pretty reasonable for what they got in return.

http://www.bumfuzzle.com/Pages/Main%20Pages/Cost.php

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The first time I saw the headline I thought it would be about "slow riding in a car through a town".  Then I read it and saw it meant sailing.  Then I promptly forgot, because when I read it this morning and clicked I thought it would be about traveling on cruise ships.

I was looking forward to a thread about traveling on cruise ships when I clicked the thread.  Something our household enjoys every few years.

Umm, ok. Still a little confused. Did you think this forum was going to be about going on cruise ships? The whole thought of spending hundreds of dollars to be herded like cattle to see "the sights" seems a little un-mustachian. (And personally gives me the heebies)

Really not trying to pick on you and I get how cruise ships (not cruising) appeal to some people, but this thread was about how "cruising" (as applied to living on a boat, traveling as you want) can be a mustachian lifestyle.

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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2014, 06:38:25 AM »
Reading a bit though the bumfuzzle blog, I stumbled onto this gem in the comments on this page
http://www.bumfuzzle.com/blog/2012/01/08/spindrift-cost/

Some really great advice here, possibly even for people on the MMM boards who don't think they could reach full FI.  Do the staged mini-retirements instead.

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Hi guys -
Quick question – From the data above on the purchase of the boat and related stuff. 88k in expenses. This had to be cash right? Dipping in
the principal? I ask because banks will not loan on that old of a boat.

Another question you may have been asked is what do you keep in your principal to keeping funding going. At today’s rates it has got to be close to a mil. Or, like you say, you have some passive income (which is a good thing). You said you like franchises, but that a big chunk of principal. You would have to wait a while before you could go cruising.

I am trying to run the numbers on doing the same as you – but, there are a lot more zeros that what I expected. What am I missing?

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Yes, we paid cash. I would never finance a boat.

While I appreciate your curiosity I’m really not about to divulge my bank balance here. What your wording seems to suggest to me is that you view this lifestyle as the end all. Meaning that you plan to retire once and for all, never work again, just cruise until you die. That’s not my plan for my life or my finances. Ali and I started traveling at 29. We absolutely were not thinking that we had enough money in the bank to retire for life, i.e. fifty or sixty years.

What are you missing? I’ll tell you—you’re missing the fact that you don’t have to retire just once in your life. Take a mini-retirement. Go cruising for a year, five years, ten years, whatever. Along the way find a way to earn some income—not a lot, but enough to extend the burn. And then when you’re ready, or when finances dictate it, go get a job, or start a business, or whatever it is you want to do. I think everyone needs to lose this mindset of work for forty years, retire for ten, die.

I sincerely mean this. It’s my wish that everybody do this in their lifetime. Good luck.


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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2014, 07:32:07 AM »
Umm, ok. Still a little confused. Did you think this forum was going to be about going on cruise ships? The whole thought of spending hundreds of dollars to be herded like cattle to see "the sights" seems a little un-mustachian. (And personally gives me the heebies)

Really not trying to pick on you and I get how cruise ships (not cruising) appeal to some people, but this thread was about how "cruising" (as applied to living on a boat, traveling as you want) can be a mustachian lifestyle.

Cruise ships can be a quite frugal way to reposition yourself when traveling the world, and can indeed be a component of a FIRE'd lifestyle.
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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2014, 08:17:25 AM »
The site is nice and "clean".  They have some revenue generating items like books they sell through Amazon.  Site says copyright 2003-2014.  I can't believe they have been living it up for 11 years (and I've been reading them off and on for almost 10).  Do you remember how they made their nest egg?  I think the guy was a commodities floor trader in Chicago?  Must have made it big and then called it quits? 

So...you have been reading them for 10 years of the 11 years they have been blogging and expect "us" to answer this question? I can't tell if this question is sarcastic or not, but if not there is "the google"

http://www.sailfarlivefree.com/2012/12/what-does-it-cost-to-go-cruising.html

So they were the most expensive on the list which still seems pretty reasonable for what they got in return.

http://www.bumfuzzle.com/Pages/Main%20Pages/Cost.php

Sooo, you just provided the answer to a question I didn't ask.  Thanks for the answer, interesting refresher in their expenses. 

I was asking how the bumfuzzle folks made their fortunes at a relatively young age.  Unlike your response (which was interesting nonetheless), the poster after you (Cinder) actually answered my question by quoting some comments from the bumfuzzle guy.  Now I can see that they probably didn't consider buying a boat and sailing the world as retiring forever, and didn't have the funding for it at the time.  They just wanted a break from the mundane life. 

Knowing that they didn't have millions in the bank makes a lot of sense, since 10 years ago (when I was first developing my FIRE sense), I figured you would need a lot more than most could acquire by age 29 in order to fund a permanent cruise the world lifestyle.  They probably had a few hundred thousand saved up and decided to pack it in and live life while they still had it.  A slightly different take on things than the traditional MMM lifestyle.  Something more like a mid career break.  Or semi-retirement. 

And lest you think I suck at comprehension, I haven't read bumfuzzle exhaustively for probably 7 years. I stopped in from time to time, but didn't read everything they wrote, so I figured I might have missed something about their finances or nest egg.  And since Arebelspy reads them frequently, I figured he might know what's up.

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The first time I saw the headline I thought it would be about "slow riding in a car through a town".  Then I read it and saw it meant sailing.  Then I promptly forgot, because when I read it this morning and clicked I thought it would be about traveling on cruise ships.

I was looking forward to a thread about traveling on cruise ships when I clicked the thread.  Something our household enjoys every few years.

Umm, ok. Still a little confused. Did you think this forum was going to be about going on cruise ships? The whole thought of spending hundreds of dollars to be herded like cattle to see "the sights" seems a little un-mustachian. (And personally gives me the heebies)

Really not trying to pick on you and I get how cruise ships (not cruising) appeal to some people, but this thread was about how "cruising" (as applied to living on a boat, traveling as you want) can be a mustachian lifestyle.

Yes, I have read the thread and understood what it was about as soon as I read the first post.  The title made me think it was about cruise ship vacations, since the perception (not necessarily the reality) of cruise ship travel conflicts with the MMM groupthink. 

You obviously haven't been on the cruises I have been on.  We spent $1400 all inclusive for our last week-long cruise.  For a family of 4.  All meals, lodging, and transportation included.  We visited a few beautiful tropical islands and explored on foot quite a bit.  80% of the passengers were European, and our kids made good friends with other kids from other countries.  I got to practice my Spanish a bit.  We had many pleasant talks with some of the crew from southeast Asia that took a liking to our kids (who are part SE Asian).  We enjoyed sitting on our private balcony looking out over the ocean.  We took in a number of professionally produced shows.  I attended a historical lecture on old sailing vessels.  The food was amazing on the ship and I took good mental notes for later use in my kitchen at home. 

I really doubt I could get my wife and 2 kids to 3-4 different islands in the Caribbean, and pay for lodging and fine dining for $1400 for a whole week.  Plane tickets to one destination would have exceeded that cost.  Sure, you can criticize the format of a cruise vacation, but the value stands on its own.  The lines to embark/disembark were way shorter than a typical trip by plane.  Getting in and out of the cruise terminal was simple.  Entering/exiting foreign countries took about 2 minutes (we avoided the herds by waiting 20 minutes until they all got off the ship).  Our cabin was the size of a European hotel room and comfortably accommodated the whole family.  Other than the mild seasickness among some in the family and the lack of immediate access to hamburgers and french fries for one of my (OMG extremely picky but I still love her) kids, zero complaints. 

I totally get that this is a completely different type of trip than cruising on a small self-piloted vessel.  But given how much I wanted to spend on a vacation, and the fact that it was hard to take off more than a week from work, I haven't been disappointed in the value proposition so far. 

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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2014, 08:20:15 AM »
Umm, ok. Still a little confused. Did you think this forum was going to be about going on cruise ships? The whole thought of spending hundreds of dollars to be herded like cattle to see "the sights" seems a little un-mustachian. (And personally gives me the heebies)

Really not trying to pick on you and I get how cruise ships (not cruising) appeal to some people, but this thread was about how "cruising" (as applied to living on a boat, traveling as you want) can be a mustachian lifestyle.

Cruise ships can be a quite frugal way to reposition yourself when traveling the world, and can indeed be a component of a FIRE'd lifestyle.

I keep eyeing those extremely cheap repositioning cruises to/from Europe as a great way to live it up for a week or two, and get a cheap ticket to Europe for the summer.  Hopefully our family can take advantage of those transatlantic trips one day.  And I just saw a modestly priced transpacific cruise from LA to Japan. Kids and their school schedule complicates the situation unfortunately.

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« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2014, 08:24:27 AM »
I would like to live on a boat in a dock, but I don't want to sail the open seas and worry about weather.

If I was with a smart sailor who had the same weather risk levels I have (none), then I would be fine. However, I think sailing is a 24-hour job because you have to keep on top of the weather all of the time. You'd know about major hurricances far in advance, but smaller squalls can still be problematic.

The really good long-time sailors can look at the sky and see things we normal people can't. In other words, they can predict the weather based on all of their practice. Amazing.




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« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2014, 12:14:57 PM »
I know it's different then the topic of 'Cruising' on your own ship, but you can look up some of the different Tall-Ships (Fully rigged, schooners, etc) and join on as crew.  May not be the same type of experience most people are looking for, and difficult for a 'family' to do, but it can lead to lots of adventure and experience, and be very mustastichian. 

You usually get space on the ship to sleep, get three square meals, and pay for your stay with adventure and sweat equity.  Some require you to take a training class up-front, some have some flat cost for a voyage if you are totally green.  Some travel around the world (http://www.picton-castle.com/), some up and down the eastern seaboard (http://kalmarnyckel.org).  Some on the west coast (http://historicalseaport.org/).  Lots of options out there. There are hundreds of tall ships out there, many of which belong to ASTA.

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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2014, 02:35:30 PM »
I was asking how the bumfuzzle folks made their fortunes at a relatively young age.  Unlike your response (which was interesting nonetheless), the poster after you (Cinder) actually answered my question by quoting some comments from the bumfuzzle guy.  Now I can see that they probably didn't consider buying a boat and sailing the world as retiring forever, and didn't have the funding for it at the time.  They just wanted a break from the mundane life. 

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You obviously haven't been on the cruises I have been on.  We spent $1400 all inclusive for our last week-long cruise.  For a family of 4.  All meals, lodging, and transportation included.  We visited a few beautiful tropical islands and explored on foot quite a bit.  80% of the passengers were European, and our kids made good friends with other kids from other countries.  I got to practice my Spanish a bit.  We had many pleasant talks with some of the crew from southeast Asia that took a liking to our kids (who are part SE Asian).  We enjoyed sitting on our private balcony looking out over the ocean.  We took in a number of professionally produced shows.  I attended a historical lecture on old sailing vessels.  The food was amazing on the ship and I took good mental notes for later use in my kitchen at home. 

Sorry for the tone of my response. I was feeling cranky when I wrote that and should have just gone to bed!

I get that cruises can be affordable. They are not my cup of tea since I like to explore the places to visit for more than a couple hours. They are certainly a good option for a lot of people.

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Re: Cruising (sailing): Ever consider it?
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2014, 02:51:14 PM »
Sorry for the tone of my response. I was feeling cranky when I wrote that and should have just gone to bed!

I get that cruises can be affordable. They are not my cup of tea since I like to explore the places to visit for more than a couple hours. They are certainly a good option for a lot of people.

That's ok - I figured it wasn't me, it was you.  ;)  No harm done.

I just wanted to mention the big cruise ship cruises as potential options simply because it's unconventional for the MMM mindset, but can actually be a very inexpensive way to see a few different islands (perhaps to figure out where you want to spend more time).  I usually like more time to explore, but some places we are "done with" after a few hours of visiting due to the sometimes overly touristy orientation near the cruise terminals.  Nassau is probably our favorite port visited so far, and we were lucky to have 8+ hours each time we visited.  Although I actually enjoy the ship and being out on the ocean as much as visiting the different islands. 

I've never captained anything longer than a canoe, so I'm very far away from sailing through the Caribbean right now.  But sailing a 30-something footer could be an interesting undertaking. 

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« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2014, 03:08:35 PM »
I also have fears about water--have had a fair number of drowning dreams--not fun.  Thus, being on the open sea does not appeal to me--especially in a smallish craft.

But, I have often wondered about spending time on rivers in the US--the big ones in the east, not these little trickles out here in the west.

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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2014, 01:17:14 AM »
Although my parents don't live on their boat, my father took seven years of work to build this 33 foot  yacht in our back yard when I was a kid.

He had dreams of sailing the South Pacific, but found that sailing the east coast of New Zealand exciting enough.

PS maintenance and running costs on a vessel like this is not cheap.

Sailing big yachts is not for me, but I'd happily live on a house boat/barge conversion.
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« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2014, 09:42:30 AM »
I just wanted to mention the big cruise ship cruises as potential options simply because it's unconventional for the MMM mindset, but can actually be a very inexpensive way to see a few different islands (perhaps to figure out where you want to spend more time).  I usually like more time to explore, but some places we are "done with" after a few hours of visiting due to the sometimes overly touristy orientation near the cruise terminals.  Nassau is probably our favorite port visited so far, and we were lucky to have 8+ hours each time we visited.  Although I actually enjoy the ship and being out on the ocean as much as visiting the different islands. 

I actually really appreciated your description of your cruise vacation, since I've always thought, "yuck, cruises, never! those are for sheeple who like to waste money, and/or old people who can't handle traveling independently!" Well, apparently I'm an idiot because the way you described it sounded pretty great :)

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Re: Cruising (sailing): Ever consider it?
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2014, 10:58:57 AM »
I just wanted to mention the big cruise ship cruises as potential options simply because it's unconventional for the MMM mindset, but can actually be a very inexpensive way to see a few different islands (perhaps to figure out where you want to spend more time).  I usually like more time to explore, but some places we are "done with" after a few hours of visiting due to the sometimes overly touristy orientation near the cruise terminals.  Nassau is probably our favorite port visited so far, and we were lucky to have 8+ hours each time we visited.  Although I actually enjoy the ship and being out on the ocean as much as visiting the different islands. 

I actually really appreciated your description of your cruise vacation, since I've always thought, "yuck, cruises, never! those are for sheeple who like to waste money, and/or old people who can't handle traveling independently!" Well, apparently I'm an idiot because the way you described it sounded pretty great :)

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« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2014, 12:36:11 PM »
A day before I saw this thread, I was talking about cruises with a coworker who just took one. I don't think they are for me. I like more control over how I'm traveling, and I'd be worried the food would be the kind served to large groups (usually not very good).

That said, my older relatives have loved taking them, and I can see their appeal.


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« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2014, 12:41:46 PM »
I went on one cruise because my mother wanted me to go with her.  I probably will never go on another.  Yes, the quality of the food was not great.  And I'm way pickier about food now than I was then.

Also, I don't think they are very environmentally friendly.  I mean, until fairly recently, wasn't it legal for them to just dump their waste out in the sea?

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« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2014, 05:13:53 PM »
Also, I don't think they are very environmentally friendly.  I mean, until fairly recently, wasn't it legal for them to just dump their waste out in the sea?

If that is true, ew. They have also received bad press regarding times when electricity has gone out and the passengers have been without hot food or refrigeration for medicine. If I ever did go on one, I'd have to bring food with me--and potable water.


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« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2014, 07:53:28 PM »
I actually really appreciated your description of your cruise vacation, since I've always thought, "yuck, cruises, never! those are for sheeple who like to waste money, and/or old people who can't handle traveling independently!" Well, apparently I'm an idiot because the way you described it sounded pretty great :)

That's why I mentioned our experience to broaden the minds of the MMM crowd.  :) 

There's this huge preconception about cruise vacations that hasn't been true in our experience.  You can act like a sheeple and get drunk every night on $8 cocktails while losing $1000 in the slightly rigged casino and sign up for every $200 shore excursion (swim with the dolphins/meet "real" pirates/go on a booze cruise and lay on the beach).  Totally not how we roll! 

We use the ship for cheap transport, cheap lodging, and cheap (to us) high quality food that we don't frequently buy at home.  We are very thankful for the other passengers that subsidize our cruise fare.  They are the ones who buy expensive drinks, shop in the on-ship stores (who the hell wastes time buying crap in a floating mall ?? Unless it's duty free liquor...  :) ), and pay up for all the optional items (photos, souvenirs, excursions, premium restaurants, etc). 

We have enjoyed the food on all of our cruises.  If the buffet isn't to your liking (as in you don't eat at buffets at home and/or get takeout from buffets) then skip the buffet (obviously!).  There are like 10 different dining options open at any given time.  There's usually a couple of "fine" dining options like the formal dining room (kinda stuffy for my tastes but the food was always good), or you can order room service from the formal dining room menu and eat in your room, on your balcony if you have one, or bring your dinners to any of the many quiet nooks around the ship.  Made to order food is fairly commonplace, so you don't have to eat from a buffet line.  We have never lacked fresh fruits, healthy looking salads, well prepared vegetables and meats, and any other assortment of less healthy but delicious foods.  I somehow convince myself that eating 2 weeks worth of food in 1 week is offset by spending hours on foot exploring a new island.  :)

We tended to wear shorts and flip flops at all times possible, so obviously we didn't quite fit in with the jet set formal tux wearing crowd that tended to make an appearance nightly.  I might have thrown on some khakis when we went to the theater for one of the awesome shows. 



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« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2014, 12:56:55 PM »
When I first found MMM, I read all the posts from the beginning and now I'm doing the same with with Bumfuzzle! I'm about a year and a half into their posts and have been reading parts aloud to my SO all weekend. I even started looking for at boats on yachtworld. This dream is at least 3 years away but I get great joy from the research and anticipation.

My SO has talked about the idea of buying an old Cessna and flying around North America for a year but you can't live in a tiny plane. I vote sailing all the way.

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« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2014, 02:30:37 PM »
I did a cabin charter trip in the Greek islands a few years ago, and would recommend it for someone who wants to learn about sailing and get a peek at what a full-time cruising lifestyle is like. Basically you are booking a cabin (shared or single) on a large yacht (ours was 65 ft) for a given itinerary (I did one week in the Dodecanese, different island every day). You get a professional skipper to run things, but will participate in sailing. It's cheaper than it sounds, because you're sharing the yacht with several other people (If you put a group together you could book the whole thing out). I met some pretty unique and charming people, including lots of folks who were sailing full-time. There's also an interesting subculture of sailing professionals who run these operations - all of them MMM types.  Personally, it felt too much like "camping on the water" for me to want to do it for more than a week.

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« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2014, 12:51:31 PM »
There is a really good series of videos of people cruising the Pacific on Vimeo right now: http://vimeo.com/wizardseye

They have 11 eight to fifteen-minute "episodes" currently about the Mexico to Fiji leg of the trip. The actually get on the water in episode 3 or 4. Well worth the watch.

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« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2014, 11:27:53 AM »
Since it's related here, and a pretty fun solid Mustachian activity, I figure I'll put this here.  If it's a problem, the mods can remove it!  Relevant to anyone near the Wilmington DE area (nearby train station). 

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   This Saturday, the Kalmar Nyckel Foundation continues with our 17th year of training new volunteers to sail this venerable icon of Delaware.  We are always seeking more volunteers to join this class!  There’s no sailing experience required to join this community of people ages 18 and up (or 14-17 with a parent/guardian).

   Kalmar Nyckel sails with the help of hundreds of volunteers who serve as sailing crew/deck hands.   “Those who join us for the 10 week class will learn to sail this magnificent tall ship, including how to tie knots, safely handle lines and set square-rigged sails the way it was done 375 years ago,” says Captain Sharon, Kalmar Nyckel’s Port Captain. Once trained, volunteers are able to crew Kalmar Nyckel on day trips or weeks-long adventures up and down the East Coast.  They can also help support the ship with land-based work in Wilmington and share what they learn with students of all ages.

   Classes started on the Jan. 11th, but registration continues this weekend Jan, 18th, from 9 am to 4:30 pm (come at 8:30 on the first day!) for nine more Saturdays through April 5.  There’s a $50 materials fee, a $35 drug testing fee (test required by the Coast Guard) and a $10 background check fee.  After the class is successfully completed, 40 hours of volunteer work are required prior to sailing. 

   Learn more about the crew training opportunity on-line at www.kalmarnyckel.org.  E-mail captainsharon@kalmarnyckel.org to sign-up.  There will be a session on Thursday night at 6-9pm for anyone joining on the 18th to get caught up with what we did on the 11th.  This Thur. night session is optional. 

   Kalmar Nyckel is an authentic re-creation of a 17th-century Dutch vessel, one of America’s pioneering “Tall Ships” that brought some of the earliest permanent settlers to the colonies. Her historical significance mirrors that of the Mayflower.  The original Kalmar Nyckel sailed from Sweden to the New World in 1638, leaving her passengers to establish the first permanent European settlement in the Delaware Valley, at Fort Christina in present-day Wilmington, Delaware.

   The Kalmar Nyckel Foundation preserves and promotes the cultural and maritime heritage of Delaware for the education and enrichment of all. 

 

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