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BarkyardBQ

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Buying Gas - Cash vs. Cash back
« on: December 12, 2014, 10:14:55 AM »
So recently driving home with my wife we passed buy a gas station with a nice price, started filling up and looked at the pump to see that the price per gallon was 5 cents more than the sign... we've all had this happen. I got back in the car and said, that's the cash price. I said it's ok, our 3% cash back covers the difference and we should come out ahead. Normally we get gas at Chevron, which seems to only post one price. It's the discount stations that have a difference. With the recent decline in gas prices we've been filling up less and more often, this makes getting gas on the way home necessary instead of filling up once a week near the house. So I've been seeing a variety of spreads in the Cash/Credit and decided to put some math to it.

Attached is a spreadsheet with a calculator and some tables for 3% (Amex and others) and 5% (Discover Card Quarterly Rewards) cash back vs the cash price savings spread, and the earned rewards/realized/actual savings of the difference.

Findings:
- Cash back will not guarantee savings, there is a break even point that depends on the price per gallon and the cash/credit spread.

- The higher the spread, the more per gallon will be required to break even.

- If it's less than $3 a gallon and the spread is 7 cents or less, use the cash back card. Otherwise, do some math.

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Re: Buying Gas - Cash vs. Cash back
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 10:56:55 AM »
In our area, Arco (AMPM) tends to be the low price leader, and they charge a $0.10/gal premium for using credit. Other low price options are sometimes QFC (Kroger) and Costco, but they are in the next town over and not always lower, and not always on the way to where I'm going.

I normally just use my debit card at Arco (to get the cash price), or CC at Kroger/Costco (IF they happen to be cheaper that week). I just recently realized that I can buy Arco gift cards at Kroger with the CC, get bonus fuel discount for the Kroger station, and then use the gift cards to get the cash price at Arco. Win-win.

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Re: Buying Gas - Cash vs. Cash back
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 11:07:00 AM »
I never really look at the price of gas when I fill up.  If my gas light comes on I'll stop at the next convenient gas station.

If my tank is essentially empty it's 12.8 gallons.  For every 10c difference it's worth 1.28, or even more extreme if it is a 20c difference, 2.56.  I'm not gonna bother price comparing and shopping around for 2$.  At best I'd save 116 per year based on 20c difference.  I choose not to waste my time walking into a gas station to pay cash, or even use a coupon.  3% cash back CC every time without a second thought.

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Re: Buying Gas - Cash vs. Cash back
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2014, 11:13:27 AM »
I never really look at the price of gas when I fill up.  If my gas light comes on I'll stop at the next convenient gas station.

If my tank is essentially empty it's 12.8 gallons.  For every 10c difference it's worth 1.28, or even more extreme if it is a 20c difference, 2.56.  I'm not gonna bother price comparing and shopping around for 2$.  At best I'd save 116 per year based on 20c difference.  I choose not to waste my time walking into a gas station to pay cash, or even use a coupon.  3% cash back CC every time without a second thought.

I do care about the price of gas either, it's one of my philosophies of life... don't complain about gas prices if you're going to drive. I will never buy gas with cash since I do not carry cash, ever, except maybe on vacation. Nor do I drive around looking for low price stations, I also get gas when I need it or fill up in advance at the station by the house. But I liked the exercise to see the math and wanted to share. :)

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Re: Buying Gas - Cash vs. Cash back
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2014, 12:38:01 PM »
... started filling up and looked at the pump to see that the price per gallon was 5 cents more than the sign... we've all had this happen. I got back in the car and said, that's the cash price.

This is an interesting point.  My understanding is that it used to be illegal for companies to charge different prices for paying with cash vs credit card (the credit card lobby persuaded congress to pass a Federal law in the US at one point).  The law said that if a company or retailer accepts a credit card, they have to agree not to charge different prices. 

I think I read somewhere in the news in the last few years that the retailers were fighting this law and somehow got it changed or repealed such that they can now charge different prices to customers depending upon the payment method used.  Also some states still have laws forbidding the charging of different prices. 

To me this makes perfect sense for retailers such as gas stations because the credit card companies charge them a transaction fee (also called a merchant fee, interchange fee or swipe fees), usually about 3%-4% for small purchases every time a customer uses a credit card to pay. 

Usually companies or retailers that accept credit cards raise the prices of their products by about 3% in order to pass this fee off to all the consumers to pay. 

Further, credit card companies use a portion of the interchange fee profit they make to pay for the credit card rewards programs or cash back programs that are so popular with consumers.  For example, they get 3% from the customer initially, they give back a portion, i.e. 1.5% in the form of various rewards. 

This system works well for credit card companies because the consumers are encourage to spend more because it makes them feel as if they are "earning", being rewarded or gooding a deed for their efforts.  Also, by encouraging consumers to earn rewards, this encourages the customers to use their credit card to pay for as many of their transactions as possible in order to maximize their rewards.  This behavior to "earn" your rewards is also pushed aggressively in theirs ads as well. In turn, this places more pressure on all retailers and companies to accept credit cards because the credit card method of payment becomes more entrenched in the financial system as the most frequent, most preferred or standard method of payment.

Due to the law change, I would not be surprised if you see more of this in the future where retailers and gas stations charge different prices based upon the method of payment used. 

I agree with the OP's general conclusions.  The math would suggest that, in the future, you have to look more carefully at your credit card agreement to see exactly which products/services earn you extra, or double or triple rewards and use the credit card primarily for those products.  And use cash to buy products where there is a large penalty for paying by credit card, i.e. if there is a large difference or spread between the cash price and credit card prices especially for products where no are extra double or triple rewards points being earned.
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Re: Buying Gas - Cash vs. Cash back
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2014, 03:52:43 PM »
...Nor do I drive around looking for low price stations, I also get gas when I need it or fill up in advance at the station by the house.

I don't "drive around looking for low price stations", I "look around for low price stations while driving". I commute 30min each way to the next town over, and I just pay attention to the prices as I drive by (*hm, Arco is $3.67.....aaaannd QFC is $3.66. Fill at QFC.*). I also deliver pizzas, and am therefore spending a lot of time driving around...

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2014, 04:32:40 PM »
I just pay attention to the prices as I drive by (*hm, Arco is $3.67.....aaaannd QFC is $3.66. Fill at QFC.*)

Actually... I do this when driving to my part-time job on the weekends. I will check the station by home on the way out and check the station by work, usually about a 5 cent difference and I will fill up after work instead of by home. But I've only started doing that since finding this site.

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Re: Buying Gas - Cash vs. Cash back
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2014, 06:08:17 PM »
Very few gas stations in our neck of the woods have a separate cash price.  And those that do don't actually have a lower cash price than the credit card price at the cheapest discount stations.  In our case, it's a case of knowing the market and knowing where to look.

For me, where gas purchases are concerned, it's either 5% cash back from Discover when that is "in season" or a stat 4.5% "all the time" cash back from my World Privileges BankAmericard.

 

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