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Built a house - now I'm being SUED by the neighbor
« on: July 13, 2019, 12:14:10 PM »
Got served papers this morning by certified mail. 

In short, it claims "I"
1) caused them to cancel parties
2) During heavy rain, much dirt from my house slid under the fence into their backyard causing damage to their grass
3) "I" did damage to "their back yard fence"
4) "I" created a significant amount of mosquitos to appear in their backyard


THey want $2,000 plus several thousand dollars from me.

I am aware of non of this and just moved into the house.  Isn't this something i should tell them to kindly reach out to my home builder?

I've never heard of something like this.

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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2019, 12:41:18 PM »
There doesn't seem to be enough context here to give any real advice - except for the fact that if you've been served with a lawsuit then you should probably first reach out to an attorney before attempting to talk to the people suing you.

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Re: Built a house - now I'm being SUED by the neighbor
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2019, 12:46:28 PM »
Sound like fun neighbors to have.


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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2019, 12:50:17 PM »

Sounds like a frivolous lawsuit, and what a way to greet your new neighbor!

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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2019, 12:52:16 PM »

1) caused them to cancel parties - They don't have anything here
2) During heavy rain, much dirt from my house slid under the fence into their backyard causing damage to their grass - If this is indeed true, you should take whatever steps necessary to restore their lawn.
3) "I" did damage to "their back yard fence" - You need to get this repaired to their satisfaction
4) "I" created a significant amount of mosquitos to appear in their backyard - They don't have anything here


$2,000 Doesn't sound ridiculous to fix a fence and clean up a lawn.
It's always best to try to settle these things without attorneys.

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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2019, 01:22:41 PM »
Was the letter from them, or their attorney?

Have you spoken to them at all?

Can you see any evidence whatsoever supporting their claims?

Did you have a custom home built on a lot? How big is the size of the lot? Did anyone give notice to the neighbors that a home was being built? Did your GC post the required documents on site while building that would put the neighbors on notice that a home was benign built?

A lot of missing info here. Seems like a s***ty way to start the neighborly relationship if you ask me...

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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2019, 01:51:15 PM »
Was the letter from them, or their attorney?

Have you spoken to them at all?

Can you see any evidence whatsoever supporting their claims?

Did you have a custom home built on a lot? How big is the size of the lot? Did anyone give notice to the neighbors that a home was being built? Did your GC post the required documents on site while building that would put the neighbors on notice that a home was benign built?

A lot of missing info here. Seems like a s***ty way to start the neighborly relationship if you ask me...

1) letter was from their attorney

2) custom home being built on a lot over the past 15 months

3) I would not know if my builder / GC posted all necessary documents. I’m paying them to know how to do that correctly. It’s not my area of expertise. Many documents were posted but don’t know if they were correct or comprehensive.



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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2019, 01:53:13 PM »

1) caused them to cancel parties - They don't have anything here
2) During heavy rain, much dirt from my house slid under the fence into their backyard causing damage to their grass - If this is indeed true, you should take whatever steps necessary to restore their lawn.
3) "I" did damage to "their back yard fence" - You need to get this repaired to their satisfaction
4) "I" created a significant amount of mosquitos to appear in their backyard - They don't have anything here


$2,000 Doesn't sound ridiculous to fix a fence and clean up a lawn.
It's always best to try to settle these things without attorneys.

If any of what the lawsuit says is accurate, why am I responsible for whT the contractor did in building the custom house? 

How would I know what their fence looked like before and how it looks now and who caused the issues or even when the supposed issues occurred?

Seems to me they should be talking to the company that allegedly did the damage

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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2019, 02:04:29 PM »

1) caused them to cancel parties - They don't have anything here
2) During heavy rain, much dirt from my house slid under the fence into their backyard causing damage to their grass - If this is indeed true, you should take whatever steps necessary to restore their lawn.
3) "I" did damage to "their back yard fence" - You need to get this repaired to their satisfaction
4) "I" created a significant amount of mosquitos to appear in their backyard - They don't have anything here


$2,000 Doesn't sound ridiculous to fix a fence and clean up a lawn.
It's always best to try to settle these things without attorneys.

If any of what the lawsuit says is accurate, why am I responsible for whT the contractor did in building the custom house? 

How would I know what their fence looked like before and how it looks now and who caused the issues or even when the supposed issues occurred?

Seems to me they should be talking to the company that allegedly did the damage
What state?

As the lot owner in most states you will be found to be at least partially liable for damages as you were the reason. Generally, you get sued, then you file a third-party lawsuit against the contractor to recoup damages.

You’d find out the before/after in the pre-trial process known as “discovery”. Through interrogatories, requests for production, depositions, etc.

As you are likely at least partially responsible, and more likely to pay up, it makes sense that you got the demand letter. The GC may have gotten one too, but that doesn’t mean you’re off the hook.

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Re: Built a house - now I'm being SUED by the neighbor
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2019, 02:07:36 PM »
Seems to me they should be talking to the company that allegedly did the damage

AFAIK, whoever owns the home/land is usually held responsible for what happens on it.
If the home was being built by a developer and you did not yet own it when the alleged negligence occurred then they should probably sue the developer.

But if you own the home/land and hired the builder then their attorney probably recommended they sue you (it would then be on you to go after your builder for whatever costs you incur).

EDITED TO ADD:
I see Lexde covered this while I was typing (and even better, to boot).
Sorry for the redundancy.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2019, 02:09:20 PM by MrDelane »

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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2019, 02:19:51 PM »

1) caused them to cancel parties - They don't have anything here
2) During heavy rain, much dirt from my house slid under the fence into their backyard causing damage to their grass - If this is indeed true, you should take whatever steps necessary to restore their lawn.
3) "I" did damage to "their back yard fence" - You need to get this repaired to their satisfaction
4) "I" created a significant amount of mosquitos to appear in their backyard - They don't have anything here


$2,000 Doesn't sound ridiculous to fix a fence and clean up a lawn.
It's always best to try to settle these things without attorneys.

If any of what the lawsuit says is accurate, why am I responsible for whT the contractor did in building the custom house? 

How would I know what their fence looked like before and how it looks now and who caused the issues or even when the supposed issues occurred?

Seems to me they should be talking to the company that allegedly did the damage
What state?

As the lot owner in most states you will be found to be at least partially liable for damages as you were the reason. Generally, you get sued, then you file a third-party lawsuit against the contractor to recoup damages.

You’d find out the before/after in the pre-trial process known as “discovery”. Through interrogatories, requests for production, depositions, etc.

As you are likely at least partially responsible, and more likely to pay up, it makes sense that you got the demand letter. The GC may have gotten one too, but that doesn’t mean you’re off the hook.

Thanks for the thoughts

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Re: Built a house - now I'm being SUED by the neighbor
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2019, 02:27:01 PM »
Well you should now file a noise complaint with the police for every party that they have going forward.

I'd probably leave a few buckets of water out too. So the mosquitoes can breed properly.

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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2019, 02:48:21 PM »
Hire an attorney and ask them to decide how best to proceed. They sound like assholes who aren't interested in sorting this out in a neighborly fashion. Writing them a check can lead to a lifetime of nuisance claims looking for money. 

The cancelling parties claim and mosquitos claims are ridiculous and probably will be dropped. The grass and fence damage may be valid, but they have to provide evidence. Also, they should file an insurance claim with their insurance, have that company contact your homeowner insurance company, and let the companies sort it out. As others note, if the damage was caused by contractors, then your insurance company will contact the contractor's insurance for settlement. I don't see a situation where you'll be responsible for any of this if you weren't living there and had a properly insured contractor. 

Caveat being, I'm not a lawyer. This is just based on my personal experience with accidentally causing damage to a neighbor's condo. (Stupid water leak). Total damage was about $5k, and I paid my $2k deductible only.
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2019, 03:40:02 PM »

I wouldn't want a claim on my insurance if I had no intention of paying.

My dog once ripped out about 6 feet along the bottom of my neighbor's privacy fence.  I had never talked to him before, but I knocked on his door to tell him and told him I would pay for it.  But he never followed up with me.  I moved about a year later, and he never asked for payment.

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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2019, 04:06:01 PM »
This sounds like you need to consult a lawyer. The things they are alleging sound frivolous in the extreme. Can they prove that those were your mosquitoes?

I had a neighbor sued by a renter who lived in the house next to his because the neighbor's cat wandered free. The claim was the free range cat agitated the renter's cat, which peed on the carpet, and they wanted damages. It turned out these people went from place to place, filing lawsuits and never really paying rent. It was thrown out, but caused hassle and expense. I guess some people just settled?

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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2019, 04:59:42 PM »
I had a neighbor sued by a renter who lived in the house next to his because the neighbor's cat wandered free. The claim was the free range cat agitated the renter's cat, which peed on the carpet, and they wanted damages. It turned out these people went from place to place, filing lawsuits and never really paying rent. It was thrown out, but caused hassle and expense. I guess some people just settled?

We had the bolded part happen to us.   We're just sensible enough to understand that's what cats do, so we cleaned the rugs and put them away until things settled down.

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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2019, 07:57:00 PM »
So, you're responsible for mosquitos???
Prove that.

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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2019, 02:05:30 AM »
So, you're responsible for mosquitos???
Prove that.

If the contractor was leaving uncovered standing water around the place, in which mosquitos could breed, then potentially there might be an action in nuisance or negligence.  Not sure how big the damages would be unless the neighbour caught malaria.

Look, the new neighbours are obviously very pissed off.  I don't know what OP's contractor was like, and probably nor does OP.  But even if they were considerate, spending 15 months living next to a building site that is going to be someone else's dream home isn't much fun.  And if OP then moved in without so much as a "hello, nice to meet you, hope the building work didn't inconvenience you too much" (which would have been a nice thing to do at the start of the process, but better late than never) then the neighbours have no reason not to start a lawsuit.

OP should read his insurance policy.  If they are covered for this claim, send the documents to the insurance company.  If they are not covered for the claim, talk to an attorney.  But sooner or later if OP's dream home is going to remain their dream home and not turn into a nightmare establishing good relations with the neighbours is going to be a priority.  My first thought would be a letter by return saying something along the lines of "terribly sorry you had these bad experiences during construction, hope this won't affect our being good neighbours, I've passed your letter on to my insurance company and hope this can be settled quickly".






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Re: Built a house - now I'm being SUED by the neighbor
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2019, 04:54:50 AM »
So, you're responsible for mosquitos???
Prove that.

If the contractor was leaving uncovered standing water around the place, in which mosquitos could breed, then potentially there might be an action in nuisance or negligence.  Not sure how big the damages would be unless the neighbour caught malaria.

Look, the new neighbours are obviously very pissed off.  I don't know what OP's contractor was like, and probably nor does OP.  But even if they were considerate, spending 15 months living next to a building site that is going to be someone else's dream home isn't much fun.  And if OP then moved in without so much as a "hello, nice to meet you, hope the building work didn't inconvenience you too much" (which would have been a nice thing to do at the start of the process, but better late than never) then the neighbours have no reason not to start a lawsuit.

OP should read his insurance policy.  If they are covered for this claim, send the documents to the insurance company.  If they are not covered for the claim, talk to an attorney.  But sooner or later if OP's dream home is going to remain their dream home and not turn into a nightmare establishing good relations with the neighbours is going to be a priority.  My first thought would be a letter by return saying something along the lines of "terribly sorry you had these bad experiences during construction, hope this won't affect our being good neighbours, I've passed your letter on to my insurance company and hope this can be settled quickly".

Very good advice.  Home construction is a very stressful process for everyone involved.  It is possible that the neighbors approached the builder and were ignored.  While I agree a lawsuit is a ridiculous way to welcome a new neighbor, NOTHING good comes from back and forth neighbor disputes.  Talk to your contractor and find a way to work it out.  Cost of doing business. 
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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2019, 04:58:45 AM »
So, you're responsible for mosquitos???
Prove that.

If the contractor was leaving uncovered standing water around the place, in which mosquitos could breed, then potentially there might be an action in nuisance or negligence.  Not sure how big the damages would be unless the neighbour caught malaria.

The mosquito claim is ridiculous.  Even if they caught malaria or west nile, they can't prove it was from a mosquito that came from the building site.  And who is responsible for mosquitoes that could be flying in from anywhere?

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And if OP then moved in without so much as a "hello, nice to meet you, hope the building work didn't inconvenience you too much" (which would have been a nice thing to do at the start of the process, but better late than never) then the neighbours have no reason not to start a lawsuit.

It's traditional that the existing residents welcome the new residents, but not with a lawsuit!

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If they are covered for this claim, send the documents to the insurance company.  If they are not covered for the claim, talk to an attorney.

I would go to the attorney since a lawsuit was already filed.  Even if your insurance would cover it, many people have $1000 to $5000 deductibles there days, plus they raise your rates.

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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2019, 05:51:37 AM »
Got served papers this morning by certified mail. 

In short, it claims "I"
1) caused them to cancel parties
2) During heavy rain, much dirt from my house slid under the fence into their backyard causing damage to their grass
3) "I" did damage to "their back yard fence"
4) "I" created a significant amount of mosquitos to appear in their backyard

#3 is a legitimate claim if there was truly damage- you should consult with an attorney to understand who is liable - you or the contractor.  If the fence was indeed damaged by work that happened immediately on the other side, the responsible party should make it right.

#2 is a reach, at least in terms of suing for substantial dollar numbers.  Grass seed is cheap, grass grows back.  Unless it's a chronic problem they're just being petty.

#1 and #4 are laughable.

I'd figure out who is legally responsible for the damage, make sure #3 gets addressed and take it from there.

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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2019, 11:35:09 AM »
Thanks for all the thoughts everyone.  I'll keep you posted on how things go.

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« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2019, 11:45:24 AM »
The good news is that it is for a relatively minor amount.  Usually not an amount worth using an attorney to litigate.  The really bad news is you have to live next to these people.

Is this notice of a filed claim or simply a demand letter?  If it is a filed claim you have a time limit to respond and should get legal advice.

I'd reach out to your contractor to discuss the claim.  They may have been made aware of the neighbor's assertions as they were on-site during the alleged incidents.  They may have some thoughts on the merits.  As you are unrepresented you can also call up their lawyer for more details if you are unsure of anything or want to know what evidence they are relying on.

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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2019, 12:12:15 PM »
The good news is that it is for a relatively minor amount.  Usually not an amount worth using an attorney to litigate.  The really bad news is you have to live next to these people.

Is this notice of a filed claim or simply a demand letter?  If it is a filed claim you have a time limit to respond and should get legal advice.

I'd reach out to your contractor to discuss the claim.  They may have been made aware of the neighbor's assertions as they were on-site during the alleged incidents.  They may have some thoughts on the merits.  As you are unrepresented you can also call up their lawyer for more details if you are unsure of anything or want to know what evidence they are relying on.

Thanks.  Yes, I have reached out to the home builder but as it was saturday morning when i was served these papers in an official leter i had to sign for, it will probably be tomorrow before i can contract the home builder directly.  They have been emailed and called within 10 min of receiving the certified letter from the neighbor's attorney.

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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2019, 12:52:04 PM »
Also good news, a letter from a lawyer is not a lawsuit (although I am unclear what "these papers" means).  It is a demand letter.  The amount claimed really doesn't warrant a lawsuit - it seems like they are mad about what they went through with the house construction.  I'd be tempted to write them a nice letter stating you had no idea they experienced any of the things their lawyer described as you were not on-site, put it with some flowers, and let them know you have asked your contractor for a response and you will reply to their lawyer as asked when you have had a chance to hear back from the contractor.  These people seem really unreasonable and angry, but it is actually in your best interests to try to defuse things without admitting liability at this point because they are now your next door neighbors.

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« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2019, 07:59:27 PM »
If it were me, I would invite them over for dinner and ask about it.

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« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2019, 11:48:47 PM »
Look, the new neighbours are obviously very pissed off.  I don't know what OP's contractor was like, and probably nor does OP.  But even if they were considerate, spending 15 months living next to a building site that is going to be someone else's dream home isn't much fun.  And if OP then moved in without so much as a "hello, nice to meet you, hope the building work didn't inconvenience you too much" (which would have been a nice thing to do at the start of the process, but better late than never) then the neighbours have no reason not to start a lawsuit.

OP should read his insurance policy.  If they are covered for this claim, send the documents to the insurance company.  If they are not covered for the claim, talk to an attorney.  But sooner or later if OP's dream home is going to remain their dream home and not turn into a nightmare establishing good relations with the neighbours is going to be a priority.  My first thought would be a letter by return saying something along the lines of "terribly sorry you had these bad experiences during construction, hope this won't affect our being good neighbours, I've passed your letter on to my insurance company and hope this can be settled quickly".

The neighbors are either very pissed off or very litigious.   As a first step, I would tell the neighbors that I need to send my insurance guy onto their property for an inspection.  If they balk at that, then it is clear this is frivolous.  If they don't balk, then it is time for the next steps.  Trying to peacefully deescalate is a good next step. 

If that doesn't work...I don't want to get into details (because they don't matter), but I had a dispute with a neighbor who threatened to sue me and I went straight back at her and she folded like a wet blanket.  I'm not saying that will work here, but if the construction company legitimately damaged their yard, then the construction company should restore it.  Because the construction company didn't get the letter (it appears), plus the language about the parties and mosquitoes, this whole thing sounds like BS.   I'd be inclined to push back pretty hard if the first steps down work. 

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« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2019, 12:55:11 AM »
I agree with everyone suggesting you try to deescalate. Neighbors are upset. Maybe they have good reason to be (or maybe they are just unreasonable assholes). Go talk to them, hear them out, let them vent -- this may be all it takes.

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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2019, 01:30:46 AM »
I guess that I’m in the minority here, because I wouldn’t talk to them at all. If the first contact is a letter of demand from their lawyer, then my response is in writing as well.

I agree that you should check with the builder first. Would they carry insurance that deals with issues like the fence/yard? In Australia I think that this is mandatory, but not sure about your location.

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« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2019, 04:01:06 AM »
If it is a lawsuit or demand letter send immediately to your insurance company. They will want to see your contract with the builder to see whether he agreed to defend and Indemnify you against all claims.

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« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2019, 04:34:00 AM »

1) caused them to cancel parties - They don't have anything here
2) During heavy rain, much dirt from my house slid under the fence into their backyard causing damage to their grass - If this is indeed true, you should take whatever steps necessary to restore their lawn.
3) "I" did damage to "their back yard fence" - You need to get this repaired to their satisfaction
4) "I" created a significant amount of mosquitos to appear in their backyard - They don't have anything here


$2,000 Doesn't sound ridiculous to fix a fence and clean up a lawn.
It's always best to try to settle these things without attorneys.

Oh Jesus, you don't just fork over money to bullies like this! 

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« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2019, 04:55:45 AM »

1) caused them to cancel parties - They don't have anything here
2) During heavy rain, much dirt from my house slid under the fence into their backyard causing damage to their grass - If this is indeed true, you should take whatever steps necessary to restore their lawn.
3) "I" did damage to "their back yard fence" - You need to get this repaired to their satisfaction
4) "I" created a significant amount of mosquitos to appear in their backyard - They don't have anything here


$2,000 Doesn't sound ridiculous to fix a fence and clean up a lawn.
It's always best to try to settle these things without attorneys.

Oh Jesus, you don't just fork over money to bullies like this!

None of us, OP included, know what went on during the construction period.  Maybe OP's contractor was the bully?

And what would you pay not to spend the next 30 years at war with your neighbour?  I would hope for an amicable settlement, but if that is not possible $2k would be cheap at the price.

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« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2019, 05:58:07 AM »
OP, I'm still confused as to whether you received a demand letter or a summons. Very different things.

It sounds to me like the GC/subs pissed of your neighbors (common...I represent two GCs), and your builder didn't do much to make good with the neighbors. One of my GCs has a 4 page list of things that subs can and cannot do, and most of it is to keep good with the neighbors.

Anyway, while everyone else thinks this is frivolous, I think the runoff issue is possibly significant. Changing the course of water onto neighbor's properties usually isn't allowed (which is why uneven lots often have a french drain in the back of the yard). If you do not have that and your water is running onto their property, thus ruining their back yard and ability to have "quiet enjoyment" of their property, then you could be liable for that.

I'd contact both your insurance company and an attorney.

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« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2019, 06:38:43 AM »

1) caused them to cancel parties - They don't have anything here
2) During heavy rain, much dirt from my house slid under the fence into their backyard causing damage to their grass - If this is indeed true, you should take whatever steps necessary to restore their lawn.
3) "I" did damage to "their back yard fence" - You need to get this repaired to their satisfaction
4) "I" created a significant amount of mosquitos to appear in their backyard - They don't have anything here


$2,000 Doesn't sound ridiculous to fix a fence and clean up a lawn.
It's always best to try to settle these things without attorneys.

Oh Jesus, you don't just fork over money to bullies like this!

None of us, OP included, know what went on during the construction period.  Maybe OP's contractor was the bully?

And what would you pay not to spend the next 30 years at war with your neighbour?  I would hope for an amicable settlement, but if that is not possible $2k would be cheap at the price.

This needs to be investigated before making any kind of an offer whatsoever.  These neighbors did not make any effort to reach out to the homeowner in a reasonable manner. They have fired the first shot. Proceed with caution, OP.

Have they provided any photos or evidence?
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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2019, 07:16:18 AM »
Just be careful what you put in writing. I WOULD NOT put in writing to them an apology, it can be taken as an admission of guilt.

Second thought is request a copy of their file from their attorney. It will be helpful to get a copy of what evidence they have. It won't just matter if the fence has damage, they have to prove the GF you hired was actually at fault.

I'm not 100% positive, but unless your GV did something negligent, sliding mud shouldn't cause you to be liable for damages. Think of it like a situation where you sand/salt a home on a rental property but the renter comes outsides and still slips and gets injured. They can sue, but you did what you were supposed to and what was required. If your property is high on a hill and the neighbor is below and mud falls, there may not be a real claim.

I'd also be skeptical that a person is requesting only $2,000 in damages and hired an attorney. Not really worth most attorney's time if that's the case.

Also feel free to ask me any questions, I did previously work in insurance, I'm not saying you aren't liable as more facts are needed but those are my thoughts. Also as a third thought, you may want to notify your insurance company if you wish to not deal with it personally. They will reach out to the GC and neighbors attorney and handle it if you don't wish to.

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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2019, 07:48:01 AM »
Just be careful what you put in writing. I WOULD NOT put in writing to them an apology, it can be taken as an admission of guilt.

Second thought is request a copy of their file from their attorney. It will be helpful to get a copy of what evidence they have. It won't just matter if the fence has damage, they have to prove the GF you hired was actually at fault.

I'm not 100% positive, but unless your GV did something negligent, sliding mud shouldn't cause you to be liable for damages. Think of it like a situation where you sand/salt a home on a rental property but the renter comes outsides and still slips and gets injured. They can sue, but you did what you were supposed to and what was required. If your property is high on a hill and the neighbor is below and mud falls, there may not be a real claim.

I'd also be skeptical that a person is requesting only $2,000 in damages and hired an attorney. Not really worth most attorney's time if that's the case.

Also feel free to ask me any questions, I did previously work in insurance, I'm not saying you aren't liable as more facts are needed but those are my thoughts. Also as a third thought, you may want to notify your insurance company if you wish to not deal with it personally. They will reach out to the GC and neighbors attorney and handle it if you don't wish to.

Most of this isn't sound advice. 

1. A written letter would just need to write "for settlement purposes only" and it would not be taken as an admission of guilt, and it largely would not be admissible as evidence (could get into a technical argument here, but I'll pass).

2. I'd laugh in your face if you requested my file. Not happening.

3. The advice about whether the GC did something negligent is silly. If the GC changed the water flow to cause runoff/damage to the other lot, OF COURSE there is negligence. If there was a hill in the back yard that would create runoff, then the GC needs to put french drains or some sort of water retention system that would not negatively affect the neighbor's lot. Also, there is a TON of dirt on a construction site. If that was running onto my yard I would be pissed (although I would have talked to the neighbors first, not sent a demand letter).

4. The thing about "not being worth most attorney's time" is crap. Some clients pay me $10,000 to get $6,000 from others as "a matter of principle." So long as the attorney got his or her retainer, he or she doesn't care how much the amount in controversy is.

I'm not going to keep coming back to this thread, but I'm just highlighting this post, as one of many, as to why OP needs to get an attorney and/or hand this over to insurance.

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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2019, 08:45:38 AM »
What state?

As the lot owner in most states you will be found to be at least partially liable for damages as you were the reason. Generally, you get sued, then you file a third-party lawsuit against the contractor to recoup damages.

I am not a lawyer, but I would add that many contractors skimp on stormwater abatement on job sites. It would not be surprising to me at all if your contractor cut corners to save costs and then ruined the neighbor's lawn. I would do everything reasonable in my power to fix it, then go after the contractor to reimburse you. Even if you lose some money you don't want to live next to these people for years after your contractor fucked up and you did nothing to remedy the situation.

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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2019, 09:05:29 AM »
Just be careful what you put in writing. I WOULD NOT put in writing to them an apology, it can be taken as an admission of guilt.

Second thought is request a copy of their file from their attorney. It will be helpful to get a copy of what evidence they have. It won't just matter if the fence has damage, they have to prove the GF you hired was actually at fault.

I'm not 100% positive, but unless your GV did something negligent, sliding mud shouldn't cause you to be liable for damages. Think of it like a situation where you sand/salt a home on a rental property but the renter comes outsides and still slips and gets injured. They can sue, but you did what you were supposed to and what was required. If your property is high on a hill and the neighbor is below and mud falls, there may not be a real claim.

I'd also be skeptical that a person is requesting only $2,000 in damages and hired an attorney. Not really worth most attorney's time if that's the case.

Also feel free to ask me any questions, I did previously work in insurance, I'm not saying you aren't liable as more facts are needed but those are my thoughts. Also as a third thought, you may want to notify your insurance company if you wish to not deal with it personally. They will reach out to the GC and neighbors attorney and handle it if you don't wish to.

Most of this isn't sound advice. 

1. A written letter would just need to write "for settlement purposes only" and it would not be taken as an admission of guilt, and it largely would not be admissible as evidence (could get into a technical argument here, but I'll pass).

2. I'd laugh in your face if you requested my file. Not happening.

3. The advice about whether the GC did something negligent is silly. If the GC changed the water flow to cause runoff/damage to the other lot, OF COURSE there is negligence. If there was a hill in the back yard that would create runoff, then the GC needs to put french drains or some sort of water retention system that would not negatively affect the neighbor's lot. Also, there is a TON of dirt on a construction site. If that was running onto my yard I would be pissed (although I would have talked to the neighbors first, not sent a demand letter).

4. The thing about "not being worth most attorney's time" is crap. Some clients pay me $10,000 to get $6,000 from others as "a matter of principle." So long as the attorney got his or her retainer, he or she doesn't care how much the amount in controversy is.

I'm not going to keep coming back to this thread, but I'm just highlighting this post, as one of many, as to why OP needs to get an attorney and/or hand this over to insurance.
All of this exactly. From what I have seen, exactly two attorneys have commented on this thread, and by some miracle, both of them handle construction-related matters.

OP, you need to talk to an attorney. Some of the advice you're getting in here is just ridiculous and could land you in a lot more trouble. It's worth the retainer to talk to someone who actually knows what they're doing.

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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2019, 09:29:59 AM »
In addition to consulting an attorney, I would look online (if possible in your location) to see if this person has a history of suing people. That might help to determine what kind of person you are dealing with.

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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2019, 09:39:59 AM »
I would do absolutely nothing until I had an attorney review the letter and provide guidance.

Anything else is a recipe for disaster.

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« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2019, 10:29:01 AM »
Get a lawyer. Either your GC poisoned your relationship with their conduct during the build or you have crazy you-know-whats next door. Either way you need a handle on what the situation is, both for this potential legal action as well as ongoing relations with your new neighbors.

My guess, though, is crazy as I doubt in 15 months they could not find a way to contact you directly to try to seek resolution for issues. That, and frivolous bullshit like "had to cancel a party!".

Don't worry, those types of people reap what they sow, eventually. I always go out of my way to be neighborly and help my neighbors, because I know then my neighbors will have my back too. These types of neighbors will not reap such magnanimity.

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« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2019, 10:34:33 AM »
Just be careful what you put in writing. I WOULD NOT put in writing to them an apology, it can be taken as an admission of guilt.

Second thought is request a copy of their file from their attorney. It will be helpful to get a copy of what evidence they have. It won't just matter if the fence has damage, they have to prove the GF you hired was actually at fault.

I'm not 100% positive, but unless your GV did something negligent, sliding mud shouldn't cause you to be liable for damages. Think of it like a situation where you sand/salt a home on a rental property but the renter comes outsides and still slips and gets injured. They can sue, but you did what you were supposed to and what was required. If your property is high on a hill and the neighbor is below and mud falls, there may not be a real claim.

I'd also be skeptical that a person is requesting only $2,000 in damages and hired an attorney. Not really worth most attorney's time if that's the case.

Also feel free to ask me any questions, I did previously work in insurance, I'm not saying you aren't liable as more facts are needed but those are my thoughts. Also as a third thought, you may want to notify your insurance company if you wish to not deal with it personally. They will reach out to the GC and neighbors attorney and handle it if you don't wish to.

Most of this isn't sound advice. 

1. A written letter would just need to write "for settlement purposes only" and it would not be taken as an admission of guilt, and it largely would not be admissible as evidence (could get into a technical argument here, but I'll pass).

2. I'd laugh in your face if you requested my file. Not happening.

3. The advice about whether the GC did something negligent is silly. If the GC changed the water flow to cause runoff/damage to the other lot, OF COURSE there is negligence. If there was a hill in the back yard that would create runoff, then the GC needs to put french drains or some sort of water retention system that would not negatively affect the neighbor's lot. Also, there is a TON of dirt on a construction site. If that was running onto my yard I would be pissed (although I would have talked to the neighbors first, not sent a demand letter).

4. The thing about "not being worth most attorney's time" is crap. Some clients pay me $10,000 to get $6,000 from others as "a matter of principle." So long as the attorney got his or her retainer, he or she doesn't care how much the amount in controversy is.

I'm not going to keep coming back to this thread, but I'm just highlighting this post, as one of many, as to why OP needs to get an attorney and/or hand this over to insurance.

1. Writing on it "for settlement purposes only" wouldn't be applicable unless you're making a settlement offer. Writing that and then saying sorry could still be presented. I won't get into it with you, but if you acknowledge fault in an accident your insurance can deny you due to admitting fault before clear liability was determined.

2. Laugh all you want, they are required to share with you their evidence. If you received a demand letter (like it sounds like you did since they asked for $2,000) they should have sent over their compelling evidence as to why you're at fault. If they are going to sue you they will have to file evidence anyway. They aren't going to show up in small claims court and reveal everything for the first time.

3. Who says the GC didn't build a trench or do anything to try and prevent water run off? I don't think this is/was clear based on what I read.

4. If it's an insurance claim, most recoveries by the attorney are capped. This may not be an insurance claim ultimately, and this also doesn't apply to if the attorney charged a retainer, but it's certainly not meaningless. It could be a family member or a friend who's an attorney who has no intent to do anything more than send a letter.

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Just editing to say your best first step is to either contact your insurance company or contact an attorney if you wish to handle this yourself. Wishing you the best.
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« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2019, 10:56:03 AM »
1. Writing on it "for settlement purposes only" wouldn't be applicable unless you're making a settlement offer. Writing that and then saying sorry could still be presented. I won't get into it with you, but if you acknowledge fault in an accident your insurance can deny you due to admitting fault before clear liability was determined.

I'm not talking what your insurance carrier will do, I'm talking about whether anything would be admissible as evidence.  Rule of Evidence 408 provides that a correspondence (written or oral) made for the purposes of settlement is not admissible as evidence to prove liability. If you submit a correspondence inquiring for information for settlement purposes, that's not admissible as evidence.  Courts generally broadly enforce Rule 408 because they want parties to work it out without filing suit.

2. Laugh all you want, they are required to share with you their evidence. If you received a demand letter (like it sounds like you did since they asked for $2,000) they should have sent over their compelling evidence as to why you're at fault. If they are going to sue you they will have to file evidence anyway. They aren't going to show up in small claims court and reveal everything for the first time.

They are absolutely not required to send you anything when they send a demand letter.  I have been practicing for five years and not once have I sent an exhibit (unless it's an underlying contract) to somebody else with my demand letters. 

And they ABSOLUTELY WILL show up at small claims court with evidence for the first time.  The civil rules of discovery do not apply to small claims actions.  You would have to transfer it to the regular docket, which would create a much more expensive process for all involved.

If a lay person requested my file prior to a small claims hearing, I would not turn it over, period.

3. Who says the GC didn't build a trench or do anything to try and prevent water run off? I don't think this is/was clear based on what I read.

The neighboring property is getting water runoff since this construction began.  I'm going to imagine this didn't happen prior to the construction, because the homeowner could have just sued the lot owner/done something a long time ago even with no structure on it.

4. If it's an insurance claim, most recoveries by the attorney are capped. This may not be an insurance claim ultimately, and this also doesn't apply to if the attorney charged a retainer, but it's certainly not meaningless. It could be a family member or a friend who's an attorney who has no intent to do anything more than send a letter.

We're talking about two things here.  You're talking about capped fees, i.e., statutory recovery of fees as part of their case.  That won't happen here.

But this is clearly an hourly case (or, like you said, a pro bono case).  An hourly fee is completely divorced from the underlying result.  I have two cases now where my fees are above the amount in controversy -- not because I'm milking clients, but because they have so much money they don't give a shit, and they'll pay whatever to recover what they feel they are owed.

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Just editing to say your best first step is to either contact your insurance company or contact an attorney if you wish to handle this yourself. Wishing you the best.

We agree on something at least.

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« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2019, 10:56:18 AM »
Just be careful what you put in writing. I WOULD NOT put in writing to them an apology, it can be taken as an admission of guilt.

Second thought is request a copy of their file from their attorney. It will be helpful to get a copy of what evidence they have. It won't just matter if the fence has damage, they have to prove the GF you hired was actually at fault.

I'm not 100% positive, but unless your GV did something negligent, sliding mud shouldn't cause you to be liable for damages. Think of it like a situation where you sand/salt a home on a rental property but the renter comes outsides and still slips and gets injured. They can sue, but you did what you were supposed to and what was required. If your property is high on a hill and the neighbor is below and mud falls, there may not be a real claim.

I'd also be skeptical that a person is requesting only $2,000 in damages and hired an attorney. Not really worth most attorney's time if that's the case.

Also feel free to ask me any questions, I did previously work in insurance, I'm not saying you aren't liable as more facts are needed but those are my thoughts. Also as a third thought, you may want to notify your insurance company if you wish to not deal with it personally. They will reach out to the GC and neighbors attorney and handle it if you don't wish to.

Most of this isn't sound advice. 

1. A written letter would just need to write "for settlement purposes only" and it would not be taken as an admission of guilt, and it largely would not be admissible as evidence (could get into a technical argument here, but I'll pass).

2. I'd laugh in your face if you requested my file. Not happening.

3. The advice about whether the GC did something negligent is silly. If the GC changed the water flow to cause runoff/damage to the other lot, OF COURSE there is negligence. If there was a hill in the back yard that would create runoff, then the GC needs to put french drains or some sort of water retention system that would not negatively affect the neighbor's lot. Also, there is a TON of dirt on a construction site. If that was running onto my yard I would be pissed (although I would have talked to the neighbors first, not sent a demand letter).

4. The thing about "not being worth most attorney's time" is crap. Some clients pay me $10,000 to get $6,000 from others as "a matter of principle." So long as the attorney got his or her retainer, he or she doesn't care how much the amount in controversy is.

I'm not going to keep coming back to this thread, but I'm just highlighting this post, as one of many, as to why OP needs to get an attorney and/or hand this over to insurance.

1. Writing on it "for settlement purposes only" wouldn't be applicable unless you're making a settlement offer. Writing that and then saying sorry could still be presented. I won't get into it with you, but if you acknowledge fault in an accident your insurance can deny you due to admitting fault before clear liability was determined.

2. Laugh all you want, they are required to share with you their evidence. If you received a demand letter (like it sounds like you did since they asked for $2,000) they should have sent over their compelling evidence as to why you're at fault. If they are going to sue you they will have to file evidence anyway. They aren't going to show up in small claims court and reveal everything for the first time.

3. Who says the GC didn't build a trench or do anything to try and prevent water run off? I don't think this is/was clear based on what I read.

4. If it's an insurance claim, most recoveries by the attorney are capped. This may not be an insurance claim ultimately, and this also doesn't apply to if the attorney charged a retainer, but it's certainly not meaningless. It could be a family member or a friend who's an attorney who has no intent to do anything more than send a letter.

Edit:
Just editing to say your best first step is to either contact your insurance company or contact an attorney if you wish to handle this yourself. Wishing you the best.
OP, please don't listen to this advice.

Some of it is misguided, some of it is flat-out wrong.

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« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2019, 11:10:44 AM »
And they ABSOLUTELY WILL show up at small claims court with evidence for the first time.  The civil rules of discovery do not apply to small claims actions.  You would have to transfer it to the regular docket, which would create a much more expensive process for all involved.

If a lay person requested my file prior to a small claims hearing, I would not turn it over, period.

Why on earth would our screwed up legal system allow for such legal behavior even in small claims. It's insanity. Lawyers earning all the bad jokes made about lawyers?

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« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2019, 11:31:07 AM »
And they ABSOLUTELY WILL show up at small claims court with evidence for the first time.  The civil rules of discovery do not apply to small claims actions.  You would have to transfer it to the regular docket, which would create a much more expensive process for all involved.

If a lay person requested my file prior to a small claims hearing, I would not turn it over, period.

Why on earth would our screwed up legal system allow for such legal behavior even in small claims. It's insanity. Lawyers earning all the bad jokes made about lawyers?
A large number of small-claims cases do not involve lawyers at all. This makes it easier for both parties to bring everything that they have supporting their side to the hearing, to let the judge sort it out with them all at once. That makes more sense than running up huge bills doing discovery on a $2,000.00 claim. Not that the lawyers make these rules, anyway.

So, not really sure where your logic is coming from. It makes more sense and is more efficient on a smaller scale.

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« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2019, 11:36:48 AM »
Curious if at any point in the 15 months of your home construction you went and introduced yourself to your future neighbors? These people sound unpleasant, but they could very well have good reason to be irritated, and if you did not even think to stop by to say hi at some point during this, I kind of understand their position. Finding a way to make nice with them is going to have a major impact on your quality of life in your new home.

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« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2019, 11:59:00 AM »
And they ABSOLUTELY WILL show up at small claims court with evidence for the first time.  The civil rules of discovery do not apply to small claims actions.  You would have to transfer it to the regular docket, which would create a much more expensive process for all involved.

If a lay person requested my file prior to a small claims hearing, I would not turn it over, period.

Why on earth would our screwed up legal system allow for such legal behavior even in small claims. It's insanity. Lawyers earning all the bad jokes made about lawyers?

The discovery process can cost thousands, easy.  See Rules 26-36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (which most states largely follow, with some exceptions).  Written questions (Rule 33), written admissions (34), depositions (33), etc. It would cost a ton of money. The whole point of small claims is to not go through that process (or any of the pleading/motion process) because the amount in controversy is small.

If defense counsel thinks he or she needs to conduct discovery, and that the costs are worth it, they will remove it to the regular docket.

I just defended a $6,000 small claim last Friday.  The plaintiffs showed up with things I'd never seen before so I made an oral motion to move it to the regular docket. 

It's about efficiency, not lawyers being jerks. If every small claim had a discovery process the courts would be incredibly jammed and require double or triple the personnel to handle more complicated dockets and hearings.

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« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2019, 12:01:21 PM »
And they ABSOLUTELY WILL show up at small claims court with evidence for the first time.  The civil rules of discovery do not apply to small claims actions.  You would have to transfer it to the regular docket, which would create a much more expensive process for all involved.

If a lay person requested my file prior to a small claims hearing, I would not turn it over, period.

Why on earth would our screwed up legal system allow for such legal behavior even in small claims. It's insanity. Lawyers earning all the bad jokes made about lawyers?

Also, let me ask you this. If you were paying me $200 an hour, and the rules did not require me to disclose evidence prior to hearing, what would you think if I voluntarily did so?

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« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2019, 12:05:01 PM »
And they ABSOLUTELY WILL show up at small claims court with evidence for the first time.  The civil rules of discovery do not apply to small claims actions.  You would have to transfer it to the regular docket, which would create a much more expensive process for all involved.

If a lay person requested my file prior to a small claims hearing, I would not turn it over, period.

Why on earth would our screwed up legal system allow for such legal behavior even in small claims. It's insanity. Lawyers earning all the bad jokes made about lawyers?
A large number of small-claims cases do not involve lawyers at all. This makes it easier for both parties to bring everything that they have supporting their side to the hearing, to let the judge sort it out with them all at once. That makes more sense than running up huge bills doing discovery on a $2,000.00 claim. Not that the lawyers make these rules, anyway.

So, not really sure where your logic is coming from. It makes more sense and is more efficient on a smaller scale.

How is letting someone suing you bring unvetted evidence against you to a judge at all an acceptable solution for anyone in any circumstance. Evidence can easily be faked or misleading in ways that you can't demonstrate in the 10 minutes (or whatever limited time) you have with the judge.

At a bare minimum, producing evidence on demand, even in small claims, should be compulsory in all court cases. Laughing off such requests may be legal, but it's in no way ethical or in service to justice.

And of course the laywers make up the rules.. Not necessarily trial laywers, but lawyers (i.e. politicians, judges, etc. are typically lawyers and/or get their policy from laywers).

 

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