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I'm turning 40 at the end of the year and I have come up with 3 "by the time I turn 40" goals.

GOAL #1 -  By my 40th birthday, I want to be in the best physical shape of my life. This is going to be difficult given that in highschool, I was a 165lb - 170lb athlete.  Rugby and Wrestling.  I was strong and active. I was strong and I was fast.

My starting point was 254lbs in November of 2017 and a resting heart rate of 70-75bmp.

However, as of today, I’m down to 187.4lbs. I’m down nearly 70lbs.

My resting heart rate is now usually 45-48BPM on average.

GOAL #2 - I want to have reached Financial Security.  Basically, the ability to cover bare bones expenses from investments. My theory is that once we've hit that level, then it will be similar to the joys experienced when younger, as a child. I felt safe.  Had shelter, clothing, food, a bike... For anything I wanted I needed to wait until a birthday or occasion or I needed to save up and buy it myself. This created a strong sense of appreciation.

Our registered and non-registered investments are sitting at $750k and a NW of $1.15mil including our home so we're well on our way there.

GOAL #3 - Be in the best mental state of my life. Energetic, active, enthusiastic, proud, grateful… Happy! The REAL goal of hitting 40 is the sum of goal #1 and goal #2. Being financially secure will help my mental state, being healthy will help my mental state, having a healthy mind will help me to focus on health and planning for the future, etc. 

If I don’t need to work to sustain life but can instead focus on more options regardless of pay grade, then I can enjoy things more. AKA, moving towards the concept of semi-retirement or working on my own terms. Bills are covered but the extra income is like a part-time job to save up for something like a vacation or whatever. More appreciation.

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So there you have it.  3 reasonable goals, very difficult to accomplish, but well on my way there (the first two anyways). They're the easy ones.

BUT BUT BUT!

I struggle with nostalgia. I have a longing for something that I don't have and I feel like the goals above are an attempt to help me go back.  I'm mature and wise enough to know I can't, but the emotion still exists.

For example, I remember the joys of riding my bike and stopping off and getting some candy for energy.  Riding some more and finding the pile of bikes at a friends house. AH HAH! That's where everyone is. Nowadays, everyone is working. No bikes piled up in front of houses.  Again, I'm not longing for that particular scenario, but the emotion of simplicity and joy attached to it.

I'm curious if nostalgia is nature's way of saying "you're not happy with your present situation" or if it's how we takes bits and pieces from our past, brush off the bad stuff and remember them for more than they're worth? I don't remember the boring summers, the rainy days stuck inside or the bad stuff. I just remember the pure, innocent and simple joys of being a kid.

I want that back.

Intellectually, I know I can't be a kid again, but I'd like to experience the same type of joy. The kind of joy you experience when the family piles into the car to go to the local video store on a Saturday morning only to spend an hour waiting/hoping/praying for a game to come back in... And finally seeing it arrive in the slot and becoming so excited! Simple joys brought on by fulfillment that doesn't seem to exist these days? Album art, movies, the smell of a video game cartridge... Even re-experiencing those exact things bring on sadness, not joy.

I've tried starting a bit of a collection of the "stuff" like Nintendo games, etc.  It's not the same. I have a RetroPie with all the old NES, SNES, etc games from when I was a kid.  The memories are better than the games.

All of my memories are good and I suspect I'll look back at "today" in 10 years with great fondness, but I'll also forget about this type of "sitting here on a Monday longing for simpler times?"

Anyways, not sure if these thoughts resonate with anyone, but I figure with so many aiming to "get out of the traditional work till 65" here, there may be some shared wisdom...
« Last Edit: April 30, 2018, 10:13:57 AM by kork »

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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2018, 09:52:05 AM »
I turn 40 this year as well and I know exactly what you mean about the nostalgia and the "by the time I'm 40" goals. I have spent the last almost two decades sitting in an office, getting less fit and more sedentary. I'm working this year to turn it around. Our financial picture is pretty good; just need to stay the course a few more years. I want to be really active in our retirement though, so I really need to focus on the fitness side. Here are my three "before I'm 40" goals that I'm actively working towards:
1. run a half marathon (Rock and Roll San Diego in June)
2. hike Mt. Whitney (permit acquired for July; working on a series of work-up treks, San Jacinto and Taquitz this past weekend with full pack)
3. run a section of Kodiak 100 with my brother who's doing the whole race. I am NOT a trail runner and have only been running for 11 weeks, but I plan to run a short section with him in the last 20 miles.

Two of my favorite teachers from high school have passed away in the last couple years; the most recent being last week. That's really had me thinking a lot about the past in a very nostalgic way. Maybe that would have happened anyway with 40 approaching? I'm not sure. But, I sure understand how you're feeling.

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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2018, 10:49:39 AM »
I chose to sign up for my first marathon (destination race) and run it the weekend of my birthday when I turned 40.
It was not a mistake. Something I'll remember for the rest of my life. Good for you for having goals!

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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 10:57:11 AM »
What a beautiful post :)

I have a touch of that regularly, yes. People here talk a lot about biking, for example, but that kind seems so ugh to me after the kind we did as kids -no helmet, free as a bird, candy at the end, lol.

I think the biggest piece of that was being in the moment. No schedule, no concern for the effect of brain injury, etc.

I'm 47 now and the last few years have been having some wonderful times in this vein, though. Somehow, I've been developing super lucid memories, but they feel like I'm actually there again. It's almost like an effect of meditation (except I don't meditate). I just lie down for a while and I'm there again. It's total bliss. Or it happens when I'm just standing around and a certain light or breeze or temperature or scent wafts through. Is this part of getting old? Hope so!!

So, maybe lie down a lot? ;)

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2018, 11:05:59 AM »
I'm turning 40 at the end of the year and I have come up with 3 "by the time I turn 40" goals.

GOAL #1 -  By my 40th birthday, I want to be in the best physical shape of my life. This is going to be difficult given that in highschool, I was a 165lb - 170lb athlete.  Rugby and Wrestling.  I was strong and active. I was strong and I was fast.

My starting point was 254lbs in November of 2017 and a resting heart rate of 70-75bmp.

However, as of today, I’m down to 187.4lbs. I’m down nearly 70lbs.

My resting heart rate is now usually 45-48BPM on average.

GOAL #2 - I want to have reached Financial Security.  Basically, the ability to cover bare bones expenses from investments. My theory is that once we've hit that level, then it will be similar to the joys experienced when younger, as a child. I felt safe.  Had shelter, clothing, food, a bike... For anything I wanted I needed to wait until a birthday or occasion or I needed to save up and buy it myself. This created a strong sense of appreciation.

Our registered and non-registered investments are sitting at $750k and a NW of $1.15mil including our home so we're well on our way there.

GOAL #3 - Be in the best mental state of my life. Energetic, active, enthusiastic, proud, grateful… Happy! The REAL goal of hitting 40 is the sum of goal #1 and goal #2. Being financially secure will help my mental state, being healthy will help my mental state, having a healthy mind will help me to focus on health and planning for the future, etc. 

If I don’t need to work to sustain life but can instead focus on more options regardless of pay grade, then I can enjoy things more. AKA, moving towards the concept of semi-retirement or working on my own terms. Bills are covered but the extra income is like a part-time job to save up for something like a vacation or whatever. More appreciation.

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So there you have it.  3 reasonable goals, very difficult to accomplish, but well on my way there (the first two anyways). They're the easy ones.

BUT BUT BUT!

I struggle with nostalgia. I have a longing for something that I don't have and I feel like the goals above are an attempt to help me go back.  I'm mature and wise enough to know I can't, but the emotion still exists.

For example, I remember the joys of riding my bike and stopping off and getting some candy for energy.  Riding some more and finding the pile of bikes at a friends house. AH HAH! That's where everyone is. Nowadays, everyone is working. No bikes piled up in front of houses.  Again, I'm not longing for that particular scenario, but the emotion of simplicity and joy attached to it.

I'm curious if nostalgia is nature's way of saying "you're not happy with your present situation" or if it's how we takes bits and pieces from our past, brush off the bad stuff and remember them for more than they're worth? I don't remember the boring summers, the rainy days stuck inside or the bad stuff. I just remember the pure, innocent and simple joys of being a kid.

I want that back.

Intellectually, I know I can't be a kid again, but I'd like to experience the same type of joy. The kind of joy you experience when the family piles into the car to go to the local video store on a Saturday morning only to spend an hour waiting/hoping/praying for a game to come back in... And finally seeing it arrive in the slot and becoming so excited! Simple joys brought on by fulfillment that doesn't seem to exist these days? Album art, movies, the smell of a video game cartridge... Even re-experiencing those exact things bring on sadness, not joy.

I've tried starting a bit of a collection of the "stuff" like Nintendo games, etc.  It's not the same. I have a RetroPie with all the old NES, SNES, etc games from when I was a kid.  The memories are better than the games.

All of my memories are good and I suspect I'll look back at "today" in 10 years with great fondness, but I'll also forget about this type of "sitting here on a Monday longing for simpler times?"

Anyways, not sure if these thoughts resonate with anyone, but I figure with so many aiming to "get out of the traditional work till 65" here, there may be some shared wisdom...


You have it backwards. To recapture the joy you speak of, you need to start doing new things. Things you have never done before. Start new hobbies. Visit places you have never been. Do something you have always wanted to do but haven't for whatever reason. That is how you recapture the feeling of being young, even if you are now 40.

Looking to the past can be fun, but it is ultimately fool's gold, since you can never get it back.

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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2018, 11:35:25 AM »
Try not to eat the 'member berries!

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2018, 11:46:05 AM »
Thinking about this further, yeah, I believe finding a way to be in the moment is a way to go. Some people experience that via meditation, some via highly focused activity, some via progressive muscle relaxation, some via intensive physical activity. I think having done a lot of those previously (i.e. “practicing” these avenues) has helped me drop into it quickly/spontaneously now.

Food also has this impact on me. Some foods make me bleary, sad, focused on past or future. Others bring me clarity, lucidity, presence, joy.

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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2018, 12:26:19 PM »
Hello there soon to be fellow quadragenarian, I had to look that one up, which is basically a 40 year old.

I will also be 40 this year and my wife has been asking me if there is something special I want to do and I have been thinking the past few months of what that might be.  One thing I would like to do is to live in another country for a few years, my kids are getting to the age where they would be old enough to enjoy such an adventure and remember it.  However, it is something that needs a bit more planning than just, OK i'm 40 let's pack up and go.

To the OP's comment on nostalgia, I visit my parents once or twice a year and try to visit the places I used to go as a kid and eat at the same restaurants.  Like you I feel that it's not quite the same, for me it's because I'm not the same.  I am no longer the carefree child that didn't have to worry about paying the bills or a family to care for.  Life and society has made me act in certain ways that doesn't always align with my 'authentic' self. 

I for one don't really spend that much time thinking about the past, I tend to overthink about the future and end up missing the present moment.  So I have been working on being more present, accepting the moment as it is vs thinking about what it should be.  A lot of my anxiety is based on things going according to how I planned them.  When things don't go how I expect them, which is almost all the time, I focus on what went wrong and how I could have done better.  I am trying to be more flexible and accepting things as they are and to be able to enjoy them regardless if things are going according to my plans or not.  I think that would help me feel like I did as a kid when I experience things, it's just hard to let go of my expectations and ego.


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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2018, 12:39:44 PM »
Maybe instead of comparing boring adult life to fun kid life you should compare fun adult life against fun kid life. Then you'll either realize you have it pretty good or you'll realize you're not doing anything fun and that's why you miss the past.

Personally, I prefer to be an adult. If I want my dinner to consist of beer and cookies then nobody can stop me.

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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2018, 12:43:05 PM »
Maybe instead of comparing boring adult life to fun kid life you should compare fun adult life against fun kid life. Then you'll either realize you have it pretty good or you'll realize you're not doing anything fun and that's why you miss the past.

Personally, I prefer to be an adult. If I want my dinner to consist of beer and cookies then nobody can stop me.

lol, yes! Even though my kid has a pretty grand life, when he gripes, I give him the "it gets better" motto. Yes, it can be hard to worry about this or that, or to have to come up with money for bills, but overall, adulthood in a stable environment can be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than childhood. Sure as heck is for me. Beer and cookies, or healthy food that keeps me antidepressed, and music lessons, and the freedom to decide where I'll be and when. YEAH!!!

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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2018, 12:45:23 PM »
First off, congrats on the amazing results related to your fitness!  I bet you feel freaking amazing compared to six months ago!  It amazes me the number of people who "FIRE" or are wealthy who are obese or look like they are 10 years older than they actually are.  Your health comes before wealth that is for sure.

Now, with regards to the other stuff...like others have mentioned, do not be looking backwards, look forwards.  Think about all the amazing adventures that are in front of you vs. the fond memories you had as a kid.  When you were a kid you probably bitched about stuff like I did and like every other kid I know does.  I like to remind myself that "these are the good old days."  You are still young, you are now healthy, and you are way better off financially than the vast majority of the people out there.

Take a trip, do something you've always wanted to do, life is way to short, get busy living!

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2018, 02:52:20 PM »
Good for you doing healthy stuff for the big 4-0! My wife and I turned 40 last year. All we wanted to do was rent a pirate ship, invite all of our friends, dress up like pirates and swashbuckle the Lake of the Ozarks. We spent a good chunk of money on it but zero fucks were given and a ton of fun was had!

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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2018, 02:54:44 PM »
Check out the Stuff You Should Know podcast on nostalgia. It's two guys ruminating on the subject for 40 minutes or so with some interest ideas about it.

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2018, 03:36:51 PM »
Having been in this situation myself the best thing that helped me is to realize that there are chapters in life. You can go back and re-read old chapters and that is fun, but you can't go back and re-LIVE old chapters. I had a lot of fun in my 20's partying and living the mountain bum life. I did career building in my 30's, I'm doing family in my 40's They're all great times but it's important to notice the shift and the buy into the new season.

In addition to shifting into the new season, it's very nice to have through lines or constants so you don't lose your way. For me that's always been fitness and outdoor fun. How much I do might oscillate, but it's always a part of my life. For others it might be music, or building things, or whatever. But these things help define is and give a north star to follow as life changes around us.

Hope this helps, and congrats on making it this far!

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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2018, 06:14:22 AM »
You have it backwards. To recapture the joy you speak of, you need to start doing new things. Things you have never done before. Start new hobbies. Visit places you have never been. Do something you have always wanted to do but haven't for whatever reason. That is how you recapture the feeling of being young, even if you are now 40.

Looking to the past can be fun, but it is ultimately fool's gold, since you can never get it back.

I think that's the tricky part.  When you're young, so many things are new experiences.  As you get older, very few things are new to you.  This is especially true if you work the same job for a long time.  You have to make a real effort to experience anything new as an adult.

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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2018, 06:41:08 AM »
THIS is the post I needed today.

I'll also be turning 40 near the end of this year. I always thought it would be no big deal, but I've recently found myself starting to freak out a bit. I think it really hit me when reading a book recently (in the Garden of Beasts, about the rise of the Nazi party) and hearing all of the 20-something guys described as young, strong, vibrant leaders while the 40-something guys were old, chubby, and way past their prime. I don't FEEL past my prime, but something about reading that kind of pulled me out of my own experience and made me look at it from the outside. I think that hit me in a funny way.

Although I haven't thought about setting specific "before I turn 40" goals, it sounds like a great idea! Two things I already have planned that kind of fall along those lines are....

1. Changing from FT work in a profession that I've never enjoyed to only PT work in my field, supplementing the income with freelance work that I enjoy. It's the first in a series of downshifts towards FIRE and I am SOOOOOO excited about it. This happens next month.

2. Husband and I are planning a trip to Europe this fall, sort of as a 10th-anniversary thing. We have not traveled anywhere exciting/fun like that since we've been married.... aside from visits to my family in Florida, all of our vacations have been within a 5-hour drive of home. Each of us has only been to Europe once, on Spring Break high school bus tours, so this is a big thing. And our finances have finally reached a point ($375k NW) where I'm okay with loosening up a tiny bit on spending, so this will probably something that we do at least every couple of years from here on out.

Once I downshift the job situation and have free time again starting next month, my primary goal is to start running again (I've seriously done Couch to 5k at least five times in the last 10 years) and lose weight. It hadn't occurred to me to set a "by my 40th birthday" goal, but I love the concept and I think I'm going to do it! Just need to decide on a realistic goal weight. I'd love to get back to what I weighed when we got married, but I'm not sure if 50 lbs in 31 weeks is realistic. (I'm female. My husband can easily lose 5 lbs/wk, but once I get the first easy 10-15 lbs off I struggle to maintain 1 lb/wk.) Hmmm. I'll give it some thought but THANK YOU for the inspiration!!!

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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2018, 12:58:11 PM »
Loved that post, Malkynn!

Yep, kids have adult agendas imposed on them (school, schedules, alarms, household processes, etc). Many of us didn't love that one teeny bit.

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2018, 01:31:06 PM »
I'm also in the turning 40 this year club! 9 more days.

I don't have many goals to achieve by 40 (except FIRE), but I'm really excited about turning 40 and curious and anticipating what the next decade will bring.



You have it backwards. To recapture the joy you speak of, you need to start doing new things. Things you have never done before. Start new hobbies. Visit places you have never been. Do something you have always wanted to do but haven't for whatever reason. That is how you recapture the feeling of being young, even if you are now 40.

Looking to the past can be fun, but it is ultimately fool's gold, since you can never get it back.

I think that's the tricky part.  When you're young, so many things are new experiences.  As you get older, very few things are new to you.  This is especially true if you work the same job for a long time.  You have to make a real effort to experience anything new as an adult.

It's true you have to make some effort, but I don't think the effort required is very much. There are always new things to do/try/see and the list of new things is growing faster than anyone could possibly keep up with.

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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2018, 09:26:52 AM »
So much good feedback here.

If I can understand the "why" of the emotion, then I can move to understand my response to it.  Very interesting that a common element is that "everything is new" when you're younger and that the emotion comes from experiencing newness and freedom.

At the office I was just watching one of my engineers setting up a computer. We were reminiscing about the 90's when the difference between a 486DX2-66 and 486DX4-100 made a world of difference, especially for games.

I felt nostalgic when the system went through a memory test.  The moment you put in new memory sticks and watch the BIOS count the jump from 32MB to 64MB of memory.  Everything would run faster and if you'd been dealing with a slow computer for a long time there's so much appreciation for the new and improved.

Nowadays, getting a faster computer is easy. Much easier than saving dollars from a paper route or selling things you own on the local buy & sell. But even then, you don't necessarily see the benefits.  Difference from 8GB to 16GB of memory? Meh... Not nearly as exciting...   I wonder if it's the same for young people today?  Say, a 16 year old who had a computer for 2 years and wants to play the newest game, do they experience the same level of joy I did back in the good ol' days?

Making new memories is an interesting concept.  I find I'm re-reading this thread over and over again and taking different bits each time.

Also very interesting comments about how things haven't changed, but we've changed as we get older. I think this is partially true. I see things disappearing that brought experiential joy and having it go missing increases sadness. Family dynamics are also changing.

It used to be that there was a level of safety living with the parent. You could mess up and they'd be there to fix it and catch you. You were along for the ride which sometimes turned out to be fun, sometimes not. A perfect balance of enjoyment.

And nowadays, we spend so much time working indoors, in an office... Hours on hours on hours.  When we get home, we need to make dinner whereas when we were kids, when it was free, when we sometimes got something we loved and sometimes had something gross and had to go hungry.  My parents knew the exact balance for me.

I'm wondering how having ultimate freedom lends to the "joy factor." To me (without the experience) is almost like one extreme of the fulfilment curve.  I don't think I'd like that. I think I'd "want" to like it, but I don't know if I would or not?

Another struggle I have is that I've had my two remaining grandparents pass away in the last year. There seems to be a change in the family balance. My grandmother was always at the top.  It was always safe with her.  My mom was the second in line. Another level of safety. Now she's getting older and I don't feel as "safe."

So I'm trying to offset the safety from the parental unit to the finances.  If I have "xyz" in the bank, then I'm safe.

I also went out riding my bike yesterday.  Rather than sticking to a path, I rode like a kid.  I went through a forest, I rode through some mud and nearly got stuck. I went up hills and down hills.  None of this boring "adult path" stuff.  It was an adventure. It was very enjoyable. Glad I lost 70lbs because it was also somewhat easy!

My bedroom when I was growing up was littered with posters of things I loved. We get older and posters are replaced with signed prints of a moose in front of a pond.  I liked my posters, but the grown-up in me says that "a house should be decorated this way."

So many things bouncing around in my brain...

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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2018, 09:37:58 AM »
Really enjoyed that, kork, thank you :)

I break a lot of conventions, and that helps me be very happy (not the breaking of them, but the end result lifestyle). I don't have to hang the moose print, or answer my door, or make dinner, or have stuff. I feel like I'm basically living like when I was 17, which was a sweet spot for me -newly moved out, enough money at that time, responsible and free at the same time. It took a while to get back to this balance.

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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2018, 10:15:53 AM »
Really enjoyed that, kork, thank you :)

I break a lot of conventions, and that helps me be very happy (not the breaking of them, but the end result lifestyle). I don't have to hang the moose print, or answer my door, or make dinner, or have stuff. I feel like I'm basically living like when I was 17, which was a sweet spot for me -newly moved out, enough money at that time, responsible and free at the same time. It took a while to get back to this balance.

See, I drank the Kool-Aid. Go to school, get a job, get married, buy a house, have kids, hang the moose paintings and decorate your house like you see in the magazines.

And now we're right in the middle of it with the kids being 11 and 9. Don't get me wrong, I don't have regrets but I'm sure glad that we started saving when we did because we're not starting on this path thinking "wait a minute, something isn't quite right."

I will say it's nice to know others have similar thoughts and I'm not the only one.
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2018, 10:31:07 AM »
Loved that post, Malkynn!

Yep, kids have adult agendas imposed on them (school, schedules, alarms, household processes, etc). Many of us didn't love that one teeny bit.

But adults (who are not self-employed) also have adult agendas imposed on them.  The most freedom I ever experienced was in college.  I didn't have to follow all of my parents' rules (which really weren't that bad), and I also had very little responsibility.  I just had to go to class and make decent grades.  I had no money, but I felt like I had much more freedom than I do as a full time member of the workforce.  If I didn't feel like going to class, I could skip it.  If I wanted to drink beer all day, then that's what I'd do.  I'm pretty sure I'd get fired for that kind of behavior now ;).

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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2018, 10:44:30 AM »
But adults (who are not self-employed) also have adult agendas imposed on them.

Self-employed, or FIREd, or living way out of convention (travelling via work exchanges, etc)...  I hang with a lot of adults doing these things, so that seems common and normal to me, lol.

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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2018, 10:56:32 AM »
The only times I've felt childlike wonder and joy in middle age are during the birth of my kids or when I'm high on MDMA or hallucinogens. Old brains don't experience emotions the same way young brains do.
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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2018, 12:42:34 PM »
The only times I've felt childlike wonder and joy in middle age are during the birth of my kids or when I'm high on MDMA or hallucinogens. Old brains don't experience emotions the same way young brains do.

My most recent memory of childlike excitement was about a year ago.  I was really into professional wrestling as a kid, watched it as a kid, went to some WWF shows when they came town.  I haven't really followed it in 15 years though. 

For my friends bachelor party we went to a local wrestling show at a bar in town.  It's not quite the visual spectacle that the stuff on TV is, but man oh man, was it fun!  We had front row seats and right off the bat a guy gets thrown off the top ropes right into the crowd on top of us.  What a blast!

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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2018, 02:40:31 PM »
Thanks OP. I am a couple of years away from 40 and your post woke me up from day to day grind. I just looked at my Fitbit history and my resting BPM has steadily gone up from mid 60's to high 70's in just one year. Going to make sure lifestyle changes similar to your's.

I am about 30lbs overweight from my optimal weight (176 vs 144) so I have a lot of work to do. I was in great shape back in 2010-11  when I regularly did Insanity Workout+basketball+weight lifting but all gone now lol.

Financially, we are on track to retire comfortably by the time I turn 50.

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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2018, 02:41:15 PM »
Really enjoyed that, kork, thank you :)

I break a lot of conventions, and that helps me be very happy (not the breaking of them, but the end result lifestyle). I don't have to hang the moose print, or answer my door, or make dinner, or have stuff. I feel like I'm basically living like when I was 17, which was a sweet spot for me -newly moved out, enough money at that time, responsible and free at the same time. It took a while to get back to this balance.

See, I drank the Kool-Aid. Go to school, get a job, get married, buy a house, have kids, hang the moose paintings and decorate your house like you see in the magazines.

If you haven't yet, watch the movie Fight Club. There are interesting ideas in there about living an unconventional life. It goes off the rails a bit though, Hollywood and all of course.

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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2018, 06:45:18 AM »
The only times I've felt childlike wonder and joy in middle age are during the birth of my kids or when I'm high on MDMA or hallucinogens. Old brains don't experience emotions the same way young brains do.

I don't know about that. I experience it every time I'm in the mountains/backcountry. Gazing up at the billions of stars at night, or taking in a sweeping mountain vista, or standing on top of a hard-earned summit makes me experience exactly the same wonder I did as a child. I think the loss of childlike wonder is directly related to the loss of nature in our modern world. We're so far removed from it and caught up on our technological pseudo-world and creature comforts that we don't even recognize the loss.

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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2018, 06:54:36 AM »
To the OP -- get outside, and not just in your backyard or some golf course, but I mean, get OUT THERE. Find the nearest national park or US Forest Service land near you and go deep. Hike, camp, take in the amazing wonders that hide in every nook and cranny deep in the forest and mountains, and I assure you, you will find wonder again. John Muir said it this way:

"Walk away quietly in any direction and taste the freedom of the mountaineer. Camp out among the grasses and gentians of glacial meadows, in craggy garden rocks full of nature's darlings. Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves."

P.S. -- as a former wrestler, if you want to regain that fitness you once had and engage in the kind of learning that sparks your creative juices, consider finding a reputable Brazilian jiu jitsu school near you, and give it a go. BJJ is a physical, problem solving art in which you continue to learn every single day for the rest of your life. Ask any black belt.

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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2018, 02:07:09 PM »
Okay, so another observation.

I'm wondering if the emotion is brought on by relationship disappointment in some ways?

My best friend and I from grade 7 -11, got mixed up in the wrong crowd later in high school. As a result, he took up smoking, got a girl pregnant, and went into a downward spiral and I fear never really got out. He got married at 17 and that didn't last. But we got along really well during those years prior. On a friendship level I'd say we were about a 9/10 compatible. Personalities didn't separate us, life decisions seemed to.

He grew up in a religious household and once he got a taste of freedom, he went towards it like a bug to the bug zapper.  He got zapped, but not killed. He's just a twitching bug on the ground :-(

We grew apart because he enjoyed late teen behaviour that I wasn't into. While I was getting ready to go off to college, he was getting ready for...  nothing. I was a mama's boy. He pushed his boundaries. His life of drugs and coasting into his 20's as a bum and later becoming what I'd call a "drain on the system."

But he was never a bad person. I have a glimmer of hope that he's able to bring his head out of water.

We've chatted briefly over the years and he lives in the same city I'm in. I'm tempted to reach out and sit down and catch up with a coffee but I'm not sure if it would create more disappointment.

But there is a longing...


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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2018, 07:13:08 PM »
Another observation as I’m curious what seems to be triggering my thoughts.

I’ve been observing a childhood/public school peer struggling with cancer. It’s not looking good for him.  We were never really friends (in fact, he was my public school bully) but he turned his life around and became a good father and provider.  He’s the first person I know in my public school peer group to have failing health.

It’s not putting my own mortality in the looking glass,  but I’m sensitive to this observation as being a potential trigger as I get close to 40 and am making significant health improvements.

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« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2018, 01:14:28 PM »
Well thanks everyone!  Read through this thread the other day and it derailed my plans as I took a sharp right hand turn down memory lane. Spent an hour and a half there before finding my way back to the present.

I have recently passed the 40 year milestone and can understand @kork's longing.  Heck part of that time on memory lane was spent creeping on old friends and figuring out where they live.  It doesn't make sense.  My life is way better now than it was back then, but one still longs to have those times of youth back.

Part of the problem for me is that the place where I grew up has declined so much.  I grew up near a rural community that supported a school with 29 total kids enrolled in the 4 high school grades.  If you remember the "Hoosiers" movie from the 80's, well we related to them.  The town had this awesome basketball team for several years that brought the whole community together.  It was us vs the rest of the world.  Still have some VHS tapes from old state tournaments games I could watch. :)

Anyway, a couple years after that excitement, the team faded and the high school closed.  Shorty after that the grade school, gas station, grain elevator, cafe and churches, all closed their doors.  All the kids and most of the adults have moved away.  I think one bar is still open.  Loosing that school ripped the heart out of that community.  When I go back to visit all I see is a skeleton of what used to be.   

How's that for some nostalgia.

I need to remind myself of how awesome my current life is.  Good health, great wife, great kids, great job, and no debit! 
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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2018, 08:53:34 AM »
You know, it's a funny thing...  I recall a 2 minute clip from The Star Trek Generations movie where they're talking about "The Nexus"

While I'm certainly not obsessed, I can appreciate the thought of being "wrapped in joy." That's what my memories are like. Replace "The Nexus" with "Childhood" in this scene and there you have it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkEN0ZDZUY4

Intelligently, I know I didn't experience those types of joy in the moment. The emotion started off as a seed decades ago only to have it grow into the wonderful memory it is today.

And like others have said, we can only live in the present. Not in the future or in the past.

But how does one take current moments which I'm sure in 20 years will have grown into amazing memories and compare them with memories from the past, today?

Or is it a fools game and nature's torture as we age?

For example, I ride my bike around the waterfront, through bike paths, etc daily.  Likely about 10-15km. It's peaceful and I may stop off and get an ice cream afterwards. But the activity is nowhere near as enjoyable as the memory of doing it years ago and stopping off to get ice cream.

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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2018, 01:49:33 PM »
I miss the giddy feeling of discovery. Figuring out a girlfriend, some new experience out and about in the world, riding along in my old car when everything was just so b/c I made it just so, etc. All through life this feeling has come and gone with new experiences. Some - like our wedding and the birth of our two children were terrifying. Some like new projects and learning new skills are just bliss.

I love to take on new personal projects to learn. Way back when I was new to computers. I was picking them apart and troubleshooting them. Then came along Linux and I spent hours figuring it out. That delivered years of bliss while I followed the development and maturation of the OS and its software. CAD software - proprietary and open-source has been another fun trip. 3D printers. My CNC machine at work. Welding and machining. Painting - as in painting cars, not only rattle can painting. Now I'm learning to sew. I've built an ebike. Restored cars and motorcycles.

Also: exploration. I love to wander about - be it in the car on my bike or on foot. Last year I was sent to another state for training. I took my bike and rode for miles each evening. The city had an advanced bike path system that we don't have anything like here. It was bliss to wander about on my ebike. 

I also have a goal of improving my health and reducing my weight. I don't enjoy gyms but I like to walk and bike. It'll be a slow process. ;)

Oh and on the topic of a bored, trapped kid. I was a very happy high school grad b/c I wouldn't be trapped by the school each day. I was a happy military enlistee b/c I was sent overseas where I explored my tail off for several years - everything around me was a new experience. I was also happy to be out from under my parents' control. They had a short leash on me at times like most parents.

I got that zing the other day looking at new car pictures. Now we all know that new cars are nice but they aren't that different from last year's model but for some reason the advertising always works on me. Prob that glimpse of (promise of) automotive perfection. Funny b/c I'm not shopping for a car and we have perfectly serviceable used vehicles, one pretty nice. I also get that same zing looking at pictures of the "perfect" house. Our house isn't perfect by far but its very affordable. I'd hate to upgrade our mortgage costs.

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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2018, 05:16:26 PM »
You have it backwards. To recapture the joy you speak of, you need to start doing new things. Things you have never done before. Start new hobbies. Visit places you have never been. Do something you have always wanted to do but haven't for whatever reason. That is how you recapture the feeling of being young, even if you are now 40.

Looking to the past can be fun, but it is ultimately fool's gold, since you can never get it back.

I think this is half the answer (other posters have pointed out you may not want the real past back, or not entirely).

Consider, too, that kids spend endless days being told how much meaning and how many consequences FutureThings™ will avalanche upon them. You're almost constantly trying new things AND those new things are cloaked repeatedly in the garb of "This is THE BIG ONE!" Marketers know how to talk to kids, and the videogames you refer to are almost all advertised to allow you to do The Big Important and in some form or another Save the Day. But bigger than the details of the past's new experiences were how much you anticipated, feared, and dared.

That's no more desirable to chase forever than the feeling of a brand-new relationship or the smell of a brand new car. The difference today isn't that you're not "saving the day," or that the butterfly effect might not take you to any number of branches in your web of life's choices, it's that you don't feel it so direly, because you're a more skilled, more experienced you. Some people outgrow videogames and feel sad when they could instead feel pride - you're so adept at making choices now, the old illusory highs don't impact you as much. You may not jump off a cliff on a hang-glider anymore, but you are a badass at doing at least SOMETHING now compared to when you were a kid. You don't have to hate security - security means you fought hard for something, you made it part of your life, it enriched you, and maybe it still does.

Some people don't outgrow videogames, either - they remember them fondly, work all day, go to the gym for an hour, put the kids to bed, wash the dishes, then stop pixel terrorists before going to sleep, which little you would probably think was pretty insane, too.

As an adult, collecting relics of easy childhood highs may be no comparison to an enduring love or the laughter of a child learning a new thing - and you are uniquely capable of enjoying that because you can be a much bigger part of the lives of so many others. I remember reading the instruction booklet to a videogame when I was still a kid, when they... still had those. I read it a dozen times for lack of anything else to do. Then I read it again. It seemed like I could WILL myself to participate in it somehow, even though I couldn't play it immediately. It's charming to see a child that excited, but we can also laugh at the absurdity of it - your current situation is infinitely better! You just have to notice how insane it is that you have 9000 channels on television and can eat almost anything you want for dinner or, way more astonishingly, you could shepherd another life, or just celebrate being alive with someone who gets some part of where you came from - and there's a sense of meaning behind that when you're aware of it all that's even... just a little bit new.
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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2018, 10:30:13 AM »
Okay,  So I've had a couple days to really think about this and digest some of the thoughts. There's some real gold in some of the posts.

So when talking about nostalgia, I have a few scenarios that pop into my mind that bring tremendous "wrap me up in a joy blanket" type of emotion.

1. When I was young (around 12-14), I had a part-time job.  I earned about $30-$40/week. I was really into sound systems and more specifically, speakers. I'd take them apart, I'd build boxes for them, etc.  On Saturday mornings, I'd wake up early and get on my 10 speed blue racing bike with my backpack and bike rack and I'd go searching for speakers at garage sales. Sometimes I hit a jackpot, sometimes the day was an epic fail. On jackpot days, I'd lug them home with me on my bike.  One between my legs, one on the rack. A vintage receiver in my backpack... Up hills, down hills, meandering all about.

When recalling this, I have vivid memories of the smell of fresh air in the morning, the hunt of not knowing what I was going to get. The limit of resources (cash) which led to higher fulfillment because if I found a paid of speaker for $20, then if I found another pair on the way home that were $30 and much better, did i make the right choice?

So much joy in this memory!

2. Around 11 years old, Dragon Warrior 2 was coming out for the NES. One day, we had a mountain of snow and it was a snow day (day off school). I knew that Dragon Warrior 2 was supposed to be coming out soon. There was no Internet to check release dates. One day you'd call the video store and you'd hear "not yet" and the same with the next day and the next. On that snowy morning, I called without any hope but got the answer of "yes, we have it." That turned into a desperate cry and plea with my mom to drive me across the city so that we could get it and play until my fingers bled over the next 24 hours (because, you know, rented games had to get returned the next day)...

When recalling this, I remember the snow, the brightness of the ground, the excitement of all the emotions. I remember finally getting home with the game and playing it like crazy. I remember grinding at the tower to gain EXP and gold while eating some candy and chips. It was amazing... I was in heaven.  I didn't realize this would go on to become an amazing memory, but it did.

3. I remember spending boring summers in my teens lazing around. Hopping on my bike, seeing what was going on. Heading up to the Beckers, getting some candy, maybe riding past the school to see if anyone was playing basketball. Coming back in the early afternoon, nice and hot and sitting by the pool. I didn't care about calories or health. I cared about BBQ hotdogs and candy. Being an active teen, I burned off enough calories to stay in shape, which again, wasn't even a concern. By that point, I was into thunder storms big time.  I'd be checking the weather network hourly to see the extended forecast. 90% of the time, we wouldn't have any weather beyond sunshine or partly cloudy,  but on a rare occasion, we'd have a ripper of a severe thunderstorm. I would fire on all cylinders!

And I had my freedom. My parents both worked so summer was spent with friends or lazing by the pool or whatever. It was whatever I wanted it to be which was 95% boring I'm sure... But there was excitement with the weather and garage sales and video games...

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So those are 3 types of fond memories I have. When I dissect those memories, it's not that the speakers were any good. It was the hunt, the discovery, having limited resources which, at the time seemed limiting, actually created high levels of fulfillment when I finally found them. I could do the exact same thing today, head out to garage sales and try to re-experience the same thing. But I suspect it'll be disappointing. I have enough money to buy whatever speakers I want to create the best sound.  But that's not what it was about...  It was about the hunt...  That's what I remember. Finding the gold.

Same thing with games.  I could sit down on a cold snowy day and play Dragon Warrior 2 on my RetroPie. I have it, it would be easy to do.  I could relive the exact same activity.  But what's lacking is the situation. The limited supply of the game, the likelihood of overcoming the obstacle of driving in a snowstorm to get a game when schools are closed (thanks mom!). All that stuff. It was a nice thing that the game was great, but it was awesome because of the effort to get there.

And lastly, the summers with storms and pools.  That's just a good memory.  The storms were exciting.

So I suppose that in the end, it's like what others are saying. When we're young, we have constraints,  we're controlled, everything is new and a challenge to accomplish many things.  This creates a reward and it's why I feel sadness when I can't recreate the emotion sitting down as a 39 year old man playing the same Dragon Warrior 2 game I did when I was 11. The game is the same, but the situation is different, as am I.

So then, how about a Nintendo Switch and Dragon Quest Builders?  I already have a switch for my daughters...  but playing Dragon Quest Builders might be enjoyable, but it's not going to rehash my excitement of those snowy days...

And finally, we could spend $50k to put in a pool. But as an adult, I'd be concerned about cleaning it, the cost of maintenance, the heating, etc.  And why? We have a family cottage on a beautiful lake.  Much better than a pool (though my memories growing up with a pool are awesome.) The only reason I'd consider a pool is to help create memories for my daughters, the same as I have.

So then, I guess the question is raised... "How does one feel excitement when they get older?" - Not happiness or joy, but actual excitement?

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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2018, 03:09:50 PM »
Enjoyed those accounts, kork.

I was so sad as a child and teen that I don't have those. My recall of unmarred happiness is only of lying on grass, usually alone, somewhere safe, warm breeze. (That still makes me insanely happy and peaceful.)

"How does one feel excitement when they get older?" - Not happiness or joy, but actual excitement?

For me, knowing a dream -tiny or huge- is about to come true.

I experience a LOT of excitement, and my life would seem boring to many. I get very excited knowing I will be singing in a group in some hours, or the moments before the song starts. I about trip over myself with excitement while on my way to my math teacher who will solve the piece that's been bumbling me. I got so excited reading a novel the other day, my heart started racing and I got sweaty. I get very excited about seeing my kid if we've been apart for a few hours, lol. And workshops, new courses.

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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2018, 03:16:25 PM »
Oh, just 30 minutes ago I survived another wave of excitement when a client sent me a new task I'd never done before! Hands shaking, big glee.

I think maybe it's easier to feel excitement when we're not being drowned in blech all day...  i.e., It's easier for me to go from a baseline of happy and peaceful to excited than from depressed/overwhelmed/quashed to excited.

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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2018, 09:12:38 PM »
The easiest ways I could imagine to feel huge excitement is to build in a sense of something being risked. As a kid, you were really excited for the game, but you also may have had the sense that it would be terrible to miss it and hear about it from friends instead, knowing you just weren't a part of the big thing happening. It's easier than ever to get the game as an adult, and there's no risk, nor anyone you know with any stake in the game today.

So, say you have something you would like to do that would be hard, like learning some new skill. You don't have to be terribly creative to up the stakes, which is a behavior many avoid without thinking about it. You want to learn to play piano, so you decide you're going to take lessons for some arbitrary period right before playing publicly, which you commit to ahead of time. Or it could be stand-up, which is usually tense for the novice performer. You could conquer a fear. Water? Boating class. Heights? Parachuting. The less you can expect or take for granted, the more alive you feel (hence all the stories about serious illness making people more aware). Getting your mom to get you across town to get that game was a young hard-mode, and there was no shortcut or opting-out.

This kind of running-from-safety behavior creates stress and anxiety, but it can also make otherwise rote or tedious things more interesting. The trick would be to up the meaning (e.g. with personal improvement or a social commitment) rather than just upping risk via recklessness or supersizing quantities (gambling, addictions, and other self-destructive risks are obviously not a great choice).

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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2018, 09:14:31 AM »
I listened to the Podcast mentioned above and it helped shed some light.

I also woke up this morning, and the best way I can describe the emotion of "longing for" is morso a feeling of loss. I was thinking about my grandmother this morning and all the good times we had. Great memories hopping on our bikes and visiting her in the summer.  Getting some candy and heading back home. We had so many good times with her.

But now she's gone and I feel the loss.  Not having that "other person" to share those memories with who was there.

And I feel the same about my youth.  Almost like I'm mourning over the loss of it.

Interesting about excitement and surprises.  When we're kids, Christmas was a morning filled with surprise. I remember Christmas night, I'd have such as sense of sadness that it was over.  My mom did such an amazing job building up the holidays. It was truly magical.  Now Christmas is time I spend trying to do the same for my daughters... But I feel a bit empty inside.

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« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2018, 09:20:41 AM »
I'm really sorry you're having that sense of loss and emptiness, kork. Grieving makes sense. If you had such happiness in childhood, and a wonderful connection with someone who has now passed, and no one to even relive the memories with, gosh, yes!

For me, even Christmas as a child was not happy. Even though our parents gave us such beautiful Christmases -tree, lights, decorations, feast, gifts for each of us- I found it overwhelming and stressful. So childhood held nothing for me to miss or grieve; adulthood has been such a relief. But for someone who felt wonderful things as a child, your feelings make complete sense.

I hope you're able to process the grief fully and to experience fullness and joy and excitement again one day.

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« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2018, 09:26:40 AM »
I'm really sorry you're having that sense of loss and emptiness, kork. Grieving makes sense. If you had such happiness in childhood, and a wonderful connection with someone who has now passed, and no one to even relive the memories with, gosh, yes!

For me, even Christmas as a child was not happy. Even though our parents gave us such beautiful Christmases -tree, lights, decorations, feast, gifts for each of us- I found it overwhelming and stressful. So childhood held nothing for me to miss or grieve; adulthood has been such a relief. But for someone who felt wonderful things as a child, your feelings make complete sense.

I hope you're able to process the grief fully and to experience fullness and joy and excitement again one day.

On one hand, I feel sadness that you didn't get to bring these wonderful memories into adulthood.  OTOH,  you're fortunate not to have the memories with which nothing can seemingly compare until looked at through father time!

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« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2018, 09:36:40 AM »
OTOH,  you're fortunate not to have the memories with which nothing can seemingly compare until looked at through father time!

I totally agree! I'm perfectly happy now about my childhood (i.e., total acceptance of what life for a person with undiagnosed autism was in that era, very healed from the trauma that was). And I always feel super lucky that now is the best time of my life! I hear people my age (close to 50) looking back at childhood, high school, college, or early career as the best time of their life so far, and feel very lucky that mine came later.

It seems like a lot of people, though, also experience great bliss again later in life -50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and/or 90s, depending on sufficient funds + health + when they become free of caregiving (children or parents). So I think there's hope for all of us on the forum.

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Re: Before I turn 40 goals and nostalgia getting the better of me!
« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2018, 09:56:09 AM »
OTOH,  you're fortunate not to have the memories with which nothing can seemingly compare until looked at through father time!

I totally agree! I'm perfectly happy now about my childhood (i.e., total acceptance of what life for a person with undiagnosed autism was in that era, very healed from the trauma that was). And I always feel super lucky that now is the best time of my life! I hear people my age (close to 50) looking back at childhood, high school, college, or early career as the best time of their life so far, and feel very lucky that mine came later.

It seems like a lot of people, though, also experience great bliss again later in life -50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and/or 90s, depending on sufficient funds + health + when they become free of caregiving (children or parents). So I think there's hope for all of us on the forum.

Here's the kicker.  This may very well be the best time of my life?????????  It may be far better than any other time!

Health, check!
Family, check!
Money, check!
Useful Stuff, check!
Career, check!
Living in my hometown, check!
Close to family, check!

But I won't know it until 20 years from now (the same way I remember my first apartment with my girlfriend, now wife).  When 60 is barrelling down at me and I remember the best of the big 4-0 and think "Man, my best memories were around when I turned 40!" - They're far better than those of my childhood! What a great life!

But secretly inside, I'll be remembering 40 as a time that things were busy, unpredictable and crazy.  My kids had the world in front of them, we were on the verge of financial security, cycling and pushups didn't yet hurt and technology was just before Google and Facebook ripped innocence out of discovery.  Everything before an algorithm and automation could predict what we'd like with differential grouping of profiles.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!