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Badassity While Digging Out of Debt?
« on: March 29, 2018, 02:50:14 PM »
Hi all! I'm currently on a rigorous plan to dig myself out of cc debt and student loans. My cc's will be paid off by next August, and student loans should take just 2 years more than that. My question is this: can I begin big investment projects like real estate and such while I'm digging out of debt? I feel like I'm missing great opportunities by waiting. However, you'd be correct in assuming that in order to undertake a real estate venture I'd have to take out more loans. What can I do while digging out of debt? I'm still putting a small amount in saving ($400/mo) and contributing to 401k, albeit with a lowered percentage so I can have more to contribute to debt. Is this the right path? Also, why am I so impatient???

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Re: Badassity While Digging Out of Debt?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2018, 06:54:40 PM »
Yep, it's all about risk. Personally, I do not do risk and it has paid off very well for us. I know people it has gone both ways for. Some took a risk and it worked and others took a risk and are now basically homeless. On the other hand, I don't know anyone that worked hard, paid off their debt and is homeless because of money. I did know a guy that did that because of alcohol but not money.

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Re: Badassity While Digging Out of Debt?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2018, 08:27:35 PM »
Hi all! I'm currently on a rigorous plan to dig myself out of cc debt and student loans. My cc's will be paid off by next August, and student loans should take just 2 years more than that. My question is this: can I begin big investment projects like real estate and such while I'm digging out of debt? I feel like I'm missing great opportunities by waiting. However, you'd be correct in assuming that in order to undertake a real estate venture I'd have to take out more loans. What can I do while digging out of debt? I'm still putting a small amount in saving ($400/mo) and contributing to 401k, albeit with a lowered percentage so I can have more to contribute to debt. Is this the right path? Also, why am I so impatient???

There's a world of difference between a CC debt and a mortgage debt.

If the real estate project is going to add money to you pocket after all interest and expenses then why the hell not? It might even allow you to pay off your other debt sooner.

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Re: Badassity While Digging Out of Debt?
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2018, 07:20:14 AM »
I’d say to hold off on until the CC debt is paid down.

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Re: Badassity While Digging Out of Debt?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2018, 09:39:36 AM »
The most badass thing I ever did to get out of 6 figure of unsecured debt was file for Chapter 7 bankruptcy, buying a cheapo home to take advantage of the home exemption literally an hour before signing the papers to do the filing.  Now some may say that it was a morally wrong action for me to not take the advice of one of my creditors and take a distribution from my EXEMPT retirement accounts, but I don't care - if it's legal, go for it.

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Re: Badassity While Digging Out of Debt?
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2018, 10:56:33 AM »
You're trying to go in multiple directions at the same time;
pay off debt
$ to savings and 401K
Investment real estate

You should do a case study.

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Re: Badassity While Digging Out of Debt?
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2018, 11:21:59 AM »
Hello and welcome to the Forums.

You might start with a read through of the following thread -

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/investment-order/

Then either a case study or a more specific question in the Investing or Real Estate parts of the forum.

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Re: Badassity While Digging Out of Debt?
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2018, 02:40:55 PM »
I think it really depends on the amount of debt and your debt to income ratio. It seems a lot of people say to wait, however that was not my experience and it turned out quite well for us. We were able to build a good foundation in the process of paying off debt.  When my husband and I got married, he had around $75,000 in student loan debt and our minimum payments were over $1000 a month.  However, during that time we paid aggressively and saved and were able to purchase a townhouse and a triplex as rental properties.  Every situation is different but it is possible to do it that way. 

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Re: Badassity While Digging Out of Debt?
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2018, 03:07:16 PM »
Real estate and stocks are both expensive right now, so don't worry you're not missing out on much.  Pay off the CC debt before doing anything.  Then look at your other options.  I chose to invest and buy real estate before paying off my student loans because I knew I could get a higher return on my money than I was paying in interest on my student loans.

*Don't worry about putting money into savings either until you get the cc paid off.

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Re: Badassity While Digging Out of Debt?
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2018, 10:17:04 AM »
Dave Ramsey is a good entry point for people interested in taking control of their finances. He introduces us to dig deeper into the financial community. He provides a ton of content to give people motivation. I thank him for giving me motivation to stick through paying off my debts.

However, I think all of us here would agree that there are issues with much of the strategy that he preaches. We are on the Mustache forum after all! I think we'd all agree that the Mustache philosophy is much more logical and complete.

Dave preaches strategy that isn't mathematically logical, such as paying of the smallest debts first rather than the highest interest rate debts first. He rarely mentions that this strategy is based on behavioral finance rather than by math. He's not dumb for creating a strategy based on behavior but he does insist his audience to blindly follow his lead without questioning his tactics. As Mustachians' we naturally take a bit of offense to this and start to question all of his plan.

On top of that we are bothered by his overt pushing of Christianity and his repeating rants on the same topics over and over. His hatred for credit cards are based on one comment an AMEX credit card collector made to his wife, which made his wife question their relationship, so he now has a secret agenda to take away as much business from credit card companies as possible. Which he's doing an alright job there.

As Mustachians' are more objective financial thinkers we are bothered by this since we know that credit card rewards generate new money, a small source of income, from doing nothing more than what we are already doing. Not partaking in credit card rewards would be like not contributing to a 401k plan with match! My credit card gives double cash back (2%) if you put the proceeds into a retirement account. I often think how it's a legal loophole to get tax free credit card rewards and put them into a roth. The time value of money increases so much here with the tax free earnings. Do to higher than normal spending last year I generated $1,000 in rewards for my roth. After 20 of compounding, the rewards might make me rich (Dave Ramsey often says that rewards dollars will never make you rich. To this sentiment, I laugh in your face Dave).

Anyways I digress. Dave isn't all bad. He's the training wheels for the financial independence community. He will never evolve his beliefs to become better which may be the root of why he is so annoying to us. We strive to be better and more efficient.

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Re: Badassity While Digging Out of Debt?
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2018, 12:04:59 PM »
Pay off the CC debt asap then reallocate the rest of your money as you prefer.