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FI Curious

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Backdoor Roth Contribution- Then Distribution
« on: February 08, 2018, 07:51:39 AM »
I made a backdoor Roth contribution for 2017 but I realized that I want the money to pay off another asset.  I think that a Roth conversion is subject to a new 5 year rule period before a distribution would be considered qualified.

The original contribution of $5,500 was in cash and only earned about $1 interest since I made the contribution.  So if I take a distribution, would I pay tax and 10% penalty on the $1 of interest I earned?  (I think I can handle that). Or can I still just take out my contribution amount and pay no tax?

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Re: Backdoor Roth Contribution- Then Distribution
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2018, 11:28:25 AM »
Try posting this in the "Taxes" forum.

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Re: Backdoor Roth Contribution- Then Distribution
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 12:05:31 PM »
I made a backdoor Roth contribution for 2017 but I realized that I want the money to pay off another asset.  I think that a Roth conversion is subject to a new 5 year rule period before a distribution would be considered qualified.

The distribution isn't "qualified" unless you meet the qualifications: be 59½, disabled, or dead and also have the account be open for five years. Length of time after a conversion is immaterial here.

What happens if it's not a "qualified distribution"? This is where the ordering rules come into play. If you ever made any direct, non-backdoor contributions to a Roth IRA, these come out first. Next is any conversions from traditional, oldest first. Finally is earnings that happened after the money was in your Roth IRA.

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The original contribution of $5,500 was in cash and only earned about $1 interest since I made the contribution.  So if I take a distribution, would I pay tax and 10% penalty on the $1 of interest I earned?  (I think I can handle that). Or can I still just take out my contribution amount and pay no tax?

If the only money you have in a Roth IRA came from a $5,500 backdoor conversion that you performed recently, and the account has since grown to $5,501, the first $5,500 would be a return of the post-tax conversion principal. This is not taxed. If you took out the last dollar, it would count as regular income taxed at your regular tax bracket, plus a 10% early withdrawal tax.

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Re: Backdoor Roth Contribution- Then Distribution
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 08:07:08 PM »
Thank you for explaining this. I have made direct Roth contributions as well as previous backdoor contributions and I've also taken distributions of my original contribution amounts.  So it will take a little time for me to figure out how to apply the ordering rules. 

 

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