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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2018, 06:58:21 PM »
I don't see how these people are really much different than the average consumer sucka. 
The average consumer sucka does not risk getting killed by their poor consumer choices.

Well, the average consumer sucka drives an SUV more likely to flip over in a crash because it 'feels' safer, eats shit processed food that gives him heart disease, and works a job that stresses him out, spends a lot of time on the road commuting to afford a McMansion, etc. so . . . meh.

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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2018, 07:17:55 PM »
They are better off getting sunk before they got started.

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It kinda feels like they may have averted tragedy here . . .

 I lost some friends, RoseMary, David and their 17 yr old son just 5 years ago to the sea.
The left on an around the world trip in 2011, they were lost to a storm between New Zealand and Australia in 2013.
They were experience sailors lost with the 1926 famous sailing yacht,  The Nina.
 Rosemary was a special person, and missed dearly.

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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2018, 10:29:23 PM »
I hope they have a backup plan, doesn't sound like it.

http://www.tampabay.com/sold-everything-to-sail-the-world-boat-sank-next-day

Did no one think this was karma for selling time shares?  Their "holiday" dream ruined, after suckering other people with holiday dreams into time shares...

No, no one?  Just me then...

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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2018, 11:28:58 PM »
Well, the average consumer sucka drives an SUV more likely to flip over in a crash because it 'feels' safer, eats shit processed food that gives him heart disease, and works a job that stresses him out, spends a lot of time on the road commuting to afford a McMansion, etc. so . . . meh.
Those are orders of magnitude less immediately risky than open sea sailing with little to no sailing experience.

But you knew that. Quibbling to avoid the point - it's so fucking internet.
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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2018, 11:36:37 PM »
I hope they have a backup plan, doesn't sound like it.

http://www.tampabay.com/sold-everything-to-sail-the-world-boat-sank-next-day

Did no one think this was karma for selling time shares?  Their "holiday" dream ruined, after suckering other people with holiday dreams into time shares...

No, no one?  Just me then...
haha...this^. I was wondering how come they only had $90 saved at the start of their adventure if they bought and paid for the boat 2 years ago and lived on it while outfitting it. The article made it sound like they had some type of work during those 2 years and I imagine they didn't have high expenses. Even an expensive Marina as a live aboard isn't that expensive.  So even if earning minimum wage each they should have saved much more.
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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2018, 03:53:55 AM »
I lost some friends, RoseMary, David and their 17 yr old son just 5 years ago to the sea.
The left on an around the world trip in 2011, they were lost to a storm between New Zealand and Australia in 2013.
They were experience sailors lost with the 1926 famous sailing yacht,  The Nina.
 Rosemary was a special person, and missed dearly.

Sorry to read about your loss, @BTDretire. Please accept my condolences.

Did no one think this was karma for selling time shares?  Their "holiday" dream ruined, after suckering other people with holiday dreams into time shares...

No, no one?  Just me then...

It was my first thought as well . . . and now they are averting charity money from people coping with massive medical problems or small children who just survived a house fire or worse with their obnoxious gofundme campaign. Oh well.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2018, 03:58:11 AM by Zamboni »

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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2018, 11:13:31 AM »
Well, the average consumer sucka drives an SUV more likely to flip over in a crash because it 'feels' safer, eats shit processed food that gives him heart disease, and works a job that stresses him out, spends a lot of time on the road commuting to afford a McMansion, etc. so . . . meh.
Those are orders of magnitude less immediately risky than open sea sailing with little to no sailing experience.

But you knew that. Quibbling to avoid the point - it's so fucking internet.

No intent to avoid a point.  The average consumer sucka does risk getting killed by poor consumer choices.  Hence the small joke at your poor choice of words.

I do agree with what appears to be your sentiment, that they were being unnecessarily risky.

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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2018, 11:30:24 AM »
Looks like these guys now have a headstart in the minimalistic lifestyle.

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« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2018, 11:56:18 AM »
I have a pretty old story that's similar, but I think more interesting.  I had an uncle (now late) who divorced and eventually bought a big sailboat.  He would often prod my dad, who was second generation in the family insurance agency that he didn't pay for insurance and waste his money.  Well, my dad gets word that he was caught off Haiti in a storm and had to abandon the boat and get to shore.  As the weather cleared up, looters took everything.  As is often the case, Haiti wasn't exactly safe and my uncle was looking for a way out of there.  Ok, sounds very James Bond, but my dad knew a former CIA contact so he got in touch with him.  This contact somehow got my uncle back to the US.  The boat was never recovered by him, although it was probably recovered by someone down in Haiti for all we know. 

My uncle always seemed to survive, but we know he didn't always pay his bills because debt collectors would call us and my mom now and then.

I guess the lesson learned is to buy insurance for things you can't afford to lose.

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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2018, 01:23:42 PM »
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I guess the lesson learned is to buy insurance for things you can't afford to lose.

The main point of the insurance is to protect your liability. Like the costs of removing this boat from the water. I guses if you can just convince people on GoFundMe, who needs insurance.
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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #60 on: February 15, 2018, 01:35:32 PM »
They had no insurance.

This is more common than you think. During the last hurricane here, I hosted some friends who live on the coast and they brought their uncle who sold everything to retire on a boat. No insurance with a hurricane on the way. Luckily no real damage done, but its definitely rolling the dice. And he has said he cannot afford the extra payments.

So I guess its only a matter of time...

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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #61 on: February 15, 2018, 09:51:58 PM »
This should be in the anti-Mustachian hall of shame.  The article claims that they have $90 to their name.  Yes, that was $90, no missing zeros there.  They were going off to pursue their dream will all of $90 in their pocket.  How exactly were they planning to pay for gas, food and mooring fees? 

They are better off getting sunk before they got started.

Sailing, the art of slowly going nowhere at great expense.

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I have been ranting about this for the last few days. This "news" article has been all over the web. My grandpa had even read about it in the paper!

I have lived about half my life on a sailboat (6 months on/6 months off). And it was never* at a marina. From a structural point, it shouldn't have sunk. It looks like it hit a sandbar. I have heard that the keel "fell off"... This is a big deal, the keel shouldn't fall off when you run aground, even if you hit a rock. There doesn't seem to be much swell from the photos I've seen, so I doubt there was surf the was the culprit. Honestly I sounds like the boat wasn't structurally sound. So it was MUCH better to find that out in the relative calm vs. 500 nm from nowhere, while your battling 50kts of wind and 18ft seas. They should be thankful for this event as it probably saved their lives.

I have been drawing the same analogy as I read in other posts... You buy a car (used and not that expensive, say... $10k) and 2 days later you wreck it. You of course don't hurt anyone and you both walk away. This is a mistake, and should be owned by you. Why is it morally acceptable to first get the story out, by doing interviews and self promotion, and secondly, start a GoFundMe?

None of us would be talking about this if the boat had sunk, and they had just shook their heads, thanked god that it didn't sink at sea or on a shore that's covered in lava rocks and pounding surf. Instead they posted pictures and did *something* to get the story out and the ball rolling.

Then when the media was taking up the story they started a GoFundMe. And basically said they want to try again. Which I think they should, but again, is it moral to beg for money?


All boats end up back on terra firma. Either at the bottom of the ocean or rotting in the backyard.


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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #62 on: February 15, 2018, 10:12:46 PM »
Just the other day, a boat came into the bay, it didn't anchor by the rest of the boats, instead it headed up the channel. There is a HUGE (100m x 30m) rock, right in the middle of the channel. It isn't marked on some charts, nor are there buoys. Well he hit it, Hard. Made so much worse, is the ~2-3 kt current running down the channel.

I attached a photo. He had been stuck for about an hour by this time. All on a falling tide... when he started there was 4 feet left of about a 10ft that day, he healed over a lot more. Then the current reversed, and as he started to float, it pushed him higher up the rock. Eventually it drug the keel, scrapping every inch of the way, all the way down the rock.

He was lucky, during spring tides, the rock dries out. He would have suffered serious damage to the hull. There's a good possibility the hull gets compromised and doesn't rise with the tide. ie. the boat sinks.

Note that the keel didn't fall off! He suffered massive gouges to the bottom of the keel. But, the integrity of the hull held up. From a stress point, this was much worse that hitting a soft shoal. He said the grinding, scrapping, banging, as the boat turned sideways to the current and was pinned down and drug along the rock was the worst thing he's had to experience. He has been blue water sailing for 25 years.
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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2018, 07:19:23 PM »
I didn't put that story in my newscast, but I saw it just about everywhere else. Part of me wondered if these kids were a couple of tweakers who stole someone's boat, wrecked it, and made up the story to cover their crime.

Judging by the gofundme account, I'd say it has worked out for them.

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Re: Article - They sold everything and bought a boat.. It sank on day 2
« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2018, 12:16:08 PM »
They were interviewed in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7fLn5DItPw


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