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Anyone else despise travel?
« on: July 21, 2015, 08:44:49 AM »
I realize that this is going to mark me as le enfant terrible around this board, but does anyone else not enjoy recreational travel?  The thought of travel for travel's sake just rubs me the wrong way and I basically can't stomach the thought of doing what essentially amounts to spending large amounts of time/money/effort to drink beer in a different time zone. 

Sure, I can see how other people view travel as a life expanding experience and they love to meet new people and such, but that simply has no resonance with me (why yes, I am an INTJ/INTP!).  For me, there is simply too much cheap/free fun to be had within 15 minutes of my house (I'm talking camping/kayaking/MTN biking here, not fucking video games).

Anyone else feel the same?  Anyone want to call me a shut-in, uncultured philistine?  Either way, I'll be here with the popcorn.

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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2015, 08:53:11 AM »
I realize that this is going to mark me as le enfant terrible around this board, but does anyone else not enjoy recreational travel?  The thought of travel for travel's sake just rubs me the wrong way and I basically can't stomach the thought of doing what essentially amounts to spending large amounts of time/money/effort to drink beer in a different time zone

Sure, I can see how other people view travel as a life expanding experience and they love to meet new people and such, but that simply has no resonance with me (why yes, I am an INTJ/INTP!).  For me, there is simply too much cheap/free fun to be had within 15 minutes of my house (I'm talking camping/kayaking/MTN biking here, not fucking video games).

Anyone else feel the same?  Anyone want to call me a shut-in, uncultured philistine?  Either way, I'll be here with the popcorn.

If that's what travel means to you, then yes, I hate traveling, too! But really, I love traveling. I love seeing new places (museums, just a walk down the street), eating new food, experiencing different cultures. I also love seeing new forests, rivers, deserts, etc. Maybe part of your problem is that's there's a lot to do within 15 min of your house! While I can technically camp/kayak/mtn bike close by, the areas are small and surrounded by corn. I like seeing new vistas.

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2015, 09:02:24 AM »
Its funny, but there are types of travel that irritate me and types of travel that are just fascinating. I agree that drinking a slightly different type of beer in a slightly different setting sucks. Why would I spend a weekend in Cleveland instead of home? But I count driving out an hour or two out of the city and camping and hiking under the stars as travel!

Also re: spending money. I've spent months in Europe with a cash burn rate that was 30% lower than in the States (and in parts of SE Asia, its probably even lower). If you can get a cheap airplane ticket/transport, travel can be really cheap. My $150 light tent has seen more stars than most americans!

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2015, 09:07:53 AM »
I really like traveling, but I don't think there is anything wrong with staying local either.

If I only made so much money and traveling was cost prohibitive, I'd probably be happy not doing it so much.

Also video games are awesome!

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2015, 09:09:43 AM »
I freaking love travel. I could travel all the time for travel's sake, forever.

What I do hate is MOVING. It was fun in the Air Force when everything was done for me. Now? I don't ever wanna do it again. I can see one or two more for the rest of my life and we're done.
I hate travel. Ironically, I was a travel agent for two years. Go figure. So, obviously, I did the smart thing and married someone from Asia and made close friends in the PNW when I live in NYC.

I also think it's odd that on a board that's so environmentalist leaning in general, travel gets a pass. Taking a plane is probably the most environmentally unfriendly thing your average person does in a year, and to do so for no reason beyond amusing oneself, which is the essence of recreational travel, is incredibly wasteful.
That's a real concern, and I share it. I've been consciously reducing road travel in recent years, even with high-efficiency cars, and we only fly enough to maintain family connections. I'd like to ramp back up on road trips when we can do it all electric, and primarily charging from clean power sources.

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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2015, 09:15:33 AM »
I definitely agree that there is plenty of fun to be had close to home.  It helps that I live in a good place for outdoor activities.  On the other hand when a travel opportunity shows up in the form of a working trip I enjoy that too.  Based on what you say about what you like and the similarity with what I like, I wonder if you might share my taste for living in another country rather than visiting it?  It's a far more interesting experience to buy a papaya in the market and take it home for breakfast than to stand in line for yet another tourist attraction.

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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2015, 09:16:55 AM »
Five years ago I came home from a year in Iraq, and I spent four months road tripping the US and Canada. I only stopped because I ran out of money and places to visit xD

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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2015, 09:17:47 AM »
If that's what travel means to you, then yes, I hate traveling, too! But really, I love traveling. I love seeing new places (museums, just a walk down the street), eating new food, experiencing different cultures. I also love seeing new forests, rivers, deserts, etc. Maybe part of your problem is that's there's a lot to do within 15 min of your house! While I can technically camp/kayak/mtn bike close by, the areas are small and surrounded by corn. I like seeing new vistas.

+1.  I think this comes down to personality:  Sensing vs Intuitive and level of Openness to Experience.  I'm average in openness, but very much a sensing type.  Sure, I can admire pictures of mountains, new cities/places, but I have to actually be there to really feel and sense the beauty. 

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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2015, 09:23:04 AM »
Depends on the type.

I hate a bunch of kinds of travel, vacation travel I guess I'd call it. Spend time planning and packing, pay a bunch of money, carry stuff around, get in, hang for a short time, reverse.

But I love a car-based road trip, I lovelovelove relocating, and I love "living in a new place for some months or a year", the latter two of which could be considered "extremely slow motion travelling". All of those resolve the things I don't like about brief trips.

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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2015, 09:23:25 AM »
I don't mind being in new places but I hate the hassles of getting there.  I've never been a fan of long car trips (although we've been driving back and forth from OKC to Gulf Shores - 14 hour drive) regularly for the last five years and I've gotten better at it.  I don't mind flying but the time involved in airports, missed connections, stuff like that drive me crazy.  If I could say "beam me up, Scotty" and be somewhere different, I'd be okay with that.

DH spent 24 years in the AF, the last 9 as a flight engineer... so he doesn't like to fly unless he can be in the cockpit and most commercial airlines frown upon that.  LOL.  So he's okay if we never fly anywhere again.

We're moving to Gulf Shores as soon as we retire (next week!) and will have to make a couple of trips a year back to visit the kids/grandkids here in Oklahoma so that may be the extent of our traveling.  Other than day trips.  And I think we'll both be okay with that because we're going to be at the beach every day... so it will seem like we're always on vacation.  :)

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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2015, 09:25:48 AM »
Also, if we had more vacation time here in the US, most would enjoy travel a lot more.  If we could spend a month or more in one or a few locations instead of only 1-2 weeks, be a lot better.  We should be more like Europe in this regard. 

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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2015, 09:33:08 AM »
I enjoy exploring new environments and learning things. The aspect of travel that I can't handle is the coming and going, regardless of whether we're talking about planes, trains, or automobiles. There is too much stress, baggage hauling, and hurry-up-and-wait-in-line. If the destination is enough of a reward, I am willing to deal with the above. Otherwise, I'll stay home and take in the local scene. 

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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2015, 09:41:44 AM »
Good discussion about this topic Here

I enjoy travel.  I typically don't enjoy quick weekend trips to another city, unless I am going for a specific event.

The thought of travel for travel's sake just rubs me the wrong way and I basically can't stomach the thought of doing what essentially amounts to spending large amounts of time/money/effort to drink beer in a different time zone. 

Not saying this couldn't happen in/near the town I live, but some of the most memorable people and experiences during my travels have happened/started in a bar with a beer.

The aspect of travel that I can't handle is the coming and going, regardless of whether we're talking about planes, trains, or automobiles. There is too much stress, baggage hauling, and hurry-up-and-wait-in-line.

This is actually one of my favorites parts of travel.  Not usually the best part, but at least it's predictably the same.  You are either waiting or waiting more :).  You might as well enjoy it.

To paraphrase from He-man: Masters of the Universe
Don't say goodbye. Say Good Journey.  Live the journey, for every destination is but a doorway to another.
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2015, 10:06:35 AM »
Quote
To paraphrase from He-man: Masters of the Universe
Don't say goodbye. Say Good Journey.  Live the journey, for every destination is but a doorway to another.

And to paraphrase Conan the Barbarian:
Crom, grant me one wish. Grant me revenge!  And if you do not listen, then the hell with you!

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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2015, 10:08:48 AM »
Sure, travel where all you do is the same thing with a different skyline is pointless.  My husband and I went to the Yucatan with friends last year.  They spent the entire time either at the pool in the rental house (one block away from the beach) or at Senor Frogs--no, really.  We spent ours driving to all the ancient ruins, scuba diving and snorkeling, eating at divey local joints, etc.  I'm not sure why they needed to spend a couple of thou to do what they did.

I also think it's odd that on a board that's so environmentalist leaning in general, travel gets a pass. Taking a plane is probably the most environmentally unfriendly thing your average person does in a year, and to do so for no reason beyond amusing oneself, which is the essence of recreational travel, is incredibly wasteful.

The most environmentally damaging thing the average person does in a year is raise children and eat animal products.  I'm a childless vegan, so I get a pass on my airplane travel.  And my paper towels.  The rest of you will have to come up with your own rationalizations.

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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2015, 10:09:25 AM »
spending large amounts of time/money/effort to drink beer in a different time zone. 


I totally agree with that, but why not do something with more value than sitting there drinking beer? My last international trip was a backpack across thailand, and end in cambodia at the angkor temples.

The rest of my family goes to Riviera de Mayo, Mexico and Punta Cana, DR 3 or 4 times per year and they just sit there and do nothing. To me, thats a waste of money, but adventurous traveling has added so much value to my life. Back then, I wrote it off as not liking traveling because I hated those trips. Then I started doing some real traveling and it blew my mind.

Planning a trip to Istanbul in April, can't wait.

Also, I am INTP.
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2015, 10:23:49 AM »
The most environmentally damaging thing the average person does in a year is raise children and eat animal products.  I'm a childless vegan, so I get a pass on my airplane travel.  And my paper towels.  The rest of you will have to come up with your own rationalizations.

Agreed re: children (guilty!), but the meat thing depends on the source of the meat (local hunted, for example, rocks it). But I don't fly more based on my diet, etc. I just aim to live mellow on as many counts as I can while still being happy, and justify nothing :)

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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2015, 10:35:28 AM »
I love everything about travel. The planning. The excitement of waking up early on travel day. If road-tripping, making the music list. Back to the planning - I really love the planning. Almost as much as the actual going. I end up learning so much just researching my future destination.

Airports are a pain in the ass....but worth it for the fun that is about to be had.

I am no extrovert. I'm kind of quiet/shy (not really introverted though) - travel has helped me come out of my shell a little.

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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2015, 10:41:29 AM »
Planning a trip to Istanbul in April, can't wait.
Brah, I was there about two years ago and it was a blast! I only got 12 hours in Istanbul (a chance layover heading home after a few days in Izmir) and the timing sucked, but I made the most of it. Landed at midnight, got a cab to the old city, had a drink in the hotel bar, slept about four hours, got up for coffee, left the hotel at sunrise and ran (literally) for about 2.5 hours all over town. Saw all the major sights, at least from outside, ran through the Grand Bazaar, and got back to the hotel in time for a badass buffet breakfast and a taxi to the airport. Crawled onto the plane and passed the fuck out for my trans-Atlantic flight. It made me want to go back for a week sometime. Beautiful city, and so much history everywhere.

I like to tell people that my route took me to the edge of the city park where that big round of protests started soon after that, but TBH, I don't really remember anything about it, and that was just an average business day with nothing special happening.

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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2015, 10:55:01 AM »
The older I get (just turned 51), the less I seem to want to travel. Which sucks, the family members we are closest to live all the way on the other side of the country.

What I like to do when I travel is spend time with people I love a lot but don't get to see very often. I like it even better when they come see me - that way, I don't have to leave my house and my cat and my stuff. :)

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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2015, 10:59:25 AM »


Okay, I'm not as bitter as Ron Swanson, and I appreciate the Anthony Bourdain approach to travel (no tourist traps, off the beaten path). However until I'm FI and have more than a handful of days of freedom/happiness a year I can't justify gambling with my time off.  Watching my net worth increase is pleasure enough for now.

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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2015, 11:07:19 AM »
Yeah, forgot about having kids. Meat would depend on a lot of factors (beef vs. chicken, etc.). According to this calculator (take it for what you will), meat eating and a single round trip 6 hour flight are roughly a wash in a given year. I used a childless household of one and compared a vegan and non-vegetarian family. I held cars and utility use constant.

http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/carboncalculator.html
As long as we're rationalizing, how many round trips to see DW's family in Argentina do I get for owning (directly or indirectly) one household worth of renewable power production? *checks portfolio* ;)

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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2015, 11:13:59 AM »
I really love the planning. Almost as much as the actual going. I end up learning so much just researching my future destination.

Ah, neat! I think I'm the opposite. I do everything in my power to learn nothing about my destination until I'm doing so only by immersion. Wandering in, no clue, then trying gestures or language to learn as I go, just hangin' loose til someone urges me to see a sight, etc. That's probably my favourite part. Every moment a total surprise. In my real life, I'm very planny, methodical, etc, but in wandering mode I love having had no clue what I would find around a corner.

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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2015, 11:15:57 AM »

Yeah, forgot about having kids. Meat would depend on a lot of factors (beef vs. chicken, etc.). According to this calculator (take it for what you will), meat eating and a single round trip 6 hour flight are roughly a wash in a given year. I used a childless household of one and compared a vegan and non-vegetarian family. I held cars and utility use constant.

http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/carboncalculator.html

Fun calculator.  But I'm getting different results from you.  I get a difference of 2.2 tons of carbon for vegan vs. meat eating, and a single 6-hour round trip plane ride as 1 ton.  A meat eating kid "costs" 1.8 tons of carbon a year, and a vegan one is 1.4. 

I'd still rather travel than have kids, though.  But I admit I could give up the paper towels.

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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2015, 11:16:38 AM »
Marry American: It's greener!

I can top you. My husband is Malaysian. It's about as far as you can get from where we live and still be on the same planet.
I tried the local merchandise and was unimpressed (no offense, just personal preference).
Our geographically scattered families are one of my few gripes about life these days. We really can't do anything about it.

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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2015, 11:18:48 AM »
Fun calculator.  But I'm getting different results from you.  I get a difference of 2.2 tons of carbon for vegan vs. meat eating, and a single 6-hour round trip plane ride as 1 ton.  A meat eating kid "costs" 1.8 tons of carbon a year, and a vegan one is 1.4. 

I'd still rather travel than have kids, though.  But I admit I could give up the paper towels.
Until I figure out a way to cook bacon* without using paper towels, I'm keeping them. But for God's sake, don't use them for cleaning!

*I do it once a month, tops, and in very small quantities.

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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2015, 11:26:08 AM »
I really love the planning. Almost as much as the actual going. I end up learning so much just researching my future destination.

Ah, neat! I think I'm the opposite. I do everything in my power to learn nothing about my destination until I'm doing so only by immersion. Wandering in, no clue, then trying gestures or language to learn as I go, just hangin' loose til someone urges me to see a sight, etc. That's probably my favourite part. Every moment a total surprise. In my real life, I'm very planny, methodical, etc, but in wandering mode I love having had no clue what I would find around a corner.

The thought of doing this makes me want to lie in a darkened room with a damp cloth on my forehead.

lol, oh you really did get me laughing so big!

yes, this is the reaction i trigger in a couple of super anxious family members. the funny thing is, i'm shy, introverted, and have some anxiety myself! but then i have this funny adventurous streak. i'm all: "tell me nothing! shh! i want to see what i find."

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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2015, 11:32:35 AM »
In general any day I can just stay home is a vacation. I fully understand the value of what you can do
and learn in other places. But the act of physically **TRAVELING** makes it almost not worthwhile. Or even simply not worthwhile.  When they invent the Star Trek transporter machine I will probably travel more

I realize that this is going to mark me as le enfant terrible around this board, but does anyone else not enjoy recreational travel?  The thought of travel for travel's sake just rubs me the wrong way and I basically can't stomach the thought of doing what essentially amounts to spending large amounts of time/money/effort to drink beer in a different time zone. 

Sure, I can see how other people view travel as a life expanding experience and they love to meet new people and such, but that simply has no resonance with me (why yes, I am an INTJ/INTP!).  For me, there is simply too much cheap/free fun to be had within 15 minutes of my house (I'm talking camping/kayaking/MTN biking here, not fucking video games).

Anyone else feel the same?  Anyone want to call me a shut-in, uncultured philistine?  Either way, I'll be here with the popcorn.

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2015, 11:38:37 AM »

Okay, so for a single person non-vegetarian household (left the transport and heating sections alone) that never flies, I'm getting 32.1 tons of carbon per annum. For a single person vegan household that flies 2 6 hour flights a year, I'm getting 30.9 tons of carbon. You're right. I must have done something wrong last time.

Why are you including all the other stuff?  Including it means the baseline is going to vary wildly, and (in the choices you made) make the differences of any given element seem trivial, if they are inflated (as they seem to be.  My baseline is closer to 7 for the non-food and non-flight portions of the calculator--and I'm not particularly environmentally conscious.)  Just compare the "tons of carbon added" for each variable.

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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2015, 11:43:12 AM »
I really love the planning. Almost as much as the actual going. I end up learning so much just researching my future destination.

Ah, neat! I think I'm the opposite. I do everything in my power to learn nothing about my destination until I'm doing so only by immersion. Wandering in, no clue, then trying gestures or language to learn as I go, just hangin' loose til someone urges me to see a sight, etc. That's probably my favourite part. Every moment a total surprise. In my real life, I'm very planny, methodical, etc, but in wandering mode I love having had no clue what I would find around a corner.

One of my best travel memories is the day my friend and I took the ferry across the river to Dordrecht Netherlands and spent the day wandering and finding museums and having no idea where we were. We had a good giggle the third time we went past the McDonald's. Then when we were ready to go back we discovered the last ferry had gone for the night. How to get back? There was a highway bridge a few miles downstream so we hiked there but we couldn't figure out how to walk over it. Finally, after maybe two hours we found a taxi to take  us to our door. 

I tried to repeat that adventure with my dad a few years later and now for some reason he doesn't want to travel with me anymore.

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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2015, 11:50:12 AM »
I need to do it (travel) to get to my two favourite places in the world so I don't have much issue with it. I'm on a ferry right now, sitting on the outside deck, smelling the ocean air, working on the tan, people watching, listening to good music....and surfing MMM forums on my phone as my beloved island paradise draws closer in the distance.

I f***ing LOVE travel sometimes.

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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2015, 11:59:02 AM »
I really love the planning. Almost as much as the actual going. I end up learning so much just researching my future destination.

Ah, neat! I think I'm the opposite. I do everything in my power to learn nothing about my destination until I'm doing so only by immersion. Wandering in, no clue, then trying gestures or language to learn as I go, just hangin' loose til someone urges me to see a sight, etc. That's probably my favourite part. Every moment a total surprise. In my real life, I'm very planny, methodical, etc, but in wandering mode I love having had no clue what I would find around a corner.

I can totally understand the appeal of this, but I get so excited about the planning part that I can't help but keep learning more about where I'm going. :D

I did do it once accidentally in Berlin for a few days though, and it was a fantastic time.

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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2015, 12:14:39 PM »
I love to travel myself, but it's great that there are well off people who prefer staying home. If everybody who could traveled the more interesting places would be way too crowded. Some already are...

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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2015, 01:25:34 PM »
Planning a trip to Istanbul in April, can't wait.
Brah, I was there about two years ago and it was a blast! I only got 12 hours in Istanbul (a chance layover heading home after a few days in Izmir) and the timing sucked, but I made the most of it. Landed at midnight, got a cab to the old city, had a drink in the hotel bar, slept about four hours, got up for coffee, left the hotel at sunrise and ran (literally) for about 2.5 hours all over town. Saw all the major sights, at least from outside, ran through the Grand Bazaar, and got back to the hotel in time for a badass buffet breakfast and a taxi to the airport. Crawled onto the plane and passed the fuck out for my trans-Atlantic flight. It made me want to go back for a week sometime. Beautiful city, and so much history everywhere.

I like to tell people that my route took me to the edge of the city park where that big round of protests started soon after that, but TBH, I don't really remember anything about it, and that was just an average business day with nothing special happening.

Good to know. I think travel advisor or a similar well known site name it number one place to visit in a page I was reading a while back.

Also, I too was not impressed with most local murchandise.

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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2015, 01:49:24 PM »
Also, I too was not impressed with most local murchandise.

I know it's a joke, but can we stop referring to people as "merchandise"?

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Re: Anyone else despise travel?
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2015, 02:55:19 PM »
While I love planning, I don't like to over-plan or have every second of the day planned out. I like to pick my must-see places (not always tourist attractions) and see where they are in relation to each other. Then figure out the optimal order in which to see them. Not sure I've ever stuck to that plan...but I like knowing for some reason. I'm an analyst - I have to analyze everything.

I do love just wandering around a city (or countryside, etc.) to get a feel of it. And I usually use AirBnB to feel more like a local. I don't love hotels.

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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2015, 03:04:42 PM »
 I disagree with the OP.  But he is NOT alone.   There was an entire other thread posted on this board a couple months back by someone with similar opinions.  The OP there had several people who agreed travel a giant money suck performed at great inconvenience for ephemeral memories and pretentious bragging rights.  Jacob at ERE has similar views.

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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2015, 04:28:44 PM »
Yep, I remember that other thread too: http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/am-i-the-only-one-who-hates-to-travel/ OP, you are not alone.

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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2015, 04:36:07 PM »
http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/carboncalculator.html

Finally got to check that out... Disappointed that it only takes food as far as "vegetarian, vegan, non-vegetarian", as though consumption in each category is similar enough. Hunted meat (again, as just one example) leaves a better footprint than junk food, processed stuff, grains, and legumes shipped far and wide. A discussion of food (or overall) footprint needs to go much further than "vegetarian or non-vegetarian", as each of these can involve very divergent practices. (And I'm betting that people thoughtful enough to do Mustachianism, or to consider their footprint, would also consider the nuances within each.)

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Re: Anyone else despise travel?
« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2015, 05:58:24 PM »
I enjoy travel and it is a huge priority. I've sacrificed a lot financially to be able to do it. I could never be someone who could be happy their whole life just living in one place and basically never leaving the state or province they were born in. I'd have a lot of regrets.

That said, that's just me. Lots of people will claim you haven't lived until you have skydived, snorted cocaine off a hooker's ass, bought a brand new Ferrari and raced it recklessly with complete strangers, spent 40 days and 40 nights naked with a bunch of strangers on a survival show, and a host of other things I have absolutely zero personal interest in. Eh, your life, live it how you want.

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« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2015, 10:20:25 PM »
A person needs new experiences.  They jar something deep inside, allowing him to grow.

Without change, something sleeps inside us and seldom awakens.

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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2015, 03:10:12 AM »
I love love love to travel! It's a huge passion of mine.   4 months ago my family and I just got back from nearly 2 years of slow travel.  Kids were 10 and 6yrs when we started.   I could go again right now!  And yes, I am planning to go again for another long one.

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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2015, 04:12:04 AM »
I'm another one who just isn't that excited by travel. I once worked with a woman who, when we were discussing the furthest place we'd travelled to and I said I'd never been outside Europe, looked at me like I'd just crawled off the bottom of a pond. In my head, I snapped back, "Oh, and you're so special because you managed to buy a plane ticket?" Travel is the socially acceptable face of consumerism these days, and like the OP I often wonder what's so wrong with these people's homes that they can't enjoy themselves there. (Humour intended!)

The problem with travel is that it isn't difficult or impressive these days. Spending six weeks travelling on a stage across the country fighting off bandits does not compare to hopping on a plane. Bargaining with savages in the jungle is not the same as wandering round a bazaar talking in English about the nice carpets.

The two things I can kind of understand are exploring natural wonders and visiting people who live somewhere, because then you do really get local culture (but often of the "yes, we buy our food from the supermarket here too" variety.)

Also, I don't think "I don't eat meat or have children so I'm *allowed* to fly" is reasonable. I mean, I don't have a car so does that mean I'm "allowed" to eat as much meat as I want? We don't get allocated however many tons of carbon at birth and get to make trade offs when we spend them. The optimal carbon emissions is 0. Obviously there is a necessary level (fires for warmth) to stay alive, but anything above that is bad, whether you "trade in" bad habits for good ones for not. (I speak as a sinner, not a saint!)

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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2015, 05:15:25 AM »
I'm hopping on a plane bound for Norway at 6 PM today, so you can guess what my answer to this question is.

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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2015, 05:22:00 AM »
Like many others in this thread, it just doesn't appeal to me.

People often look at me like I have two heads when I say that.

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« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2015, 05:36:47 AM »
I love being in a different country, I just hate airports and the amount of time lost on waiting and waiting and waiting. Can't wait for teleportation to exist.

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« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2015, 07:13:12 AM »
Living in The Netherlands you can't escape travel abroad if you want to vary your holidays. It is so small, that once I start my car and drive for 1,5 hours I am already in Germany or Belgium. We do not have mountains or wilderness, so if you love hiking as I do, you very quickly have to go abroad. I love that part of living in Europe though, to be in a totally different culture in a couple of hours. I travel only to get what I can't get at home.

However, this year will probably be a stay-cation for me (or as we say in Dutch, going to Costa Balconia), as I have traveled so much for work that the thought of being at home for a couple of weeks is very, very appealing.

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Re: Anyone else despise travel?
« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2015, 08:02:02 AM »
I love everything about travel. The planning. The excitement of waking up early on travel day. If road-tripping, making the music list. Back to the planning - I really love the planning. Almost as much as the actual going. I end up learning so much just researching my future destination.

Airports are a pain in the ass....but worth it for the fun that is about to be had.

I am no extrovert. I'm kind of quiet/shy (not really introverted though) - travel has helped me come out of my shell a little.
This is pretty much how I feel.  The planning is what really makes the trip exciting to me.  I am much more excited when I wake up on travel day than when I wake up on any other day.  I tolerate airports because it's the only way to get to some of the places I like to go.  The flying itself doesn't bother me, but parking a mile from the terminal, hauling huge bags onto the shuttle (sometimes in the rain), checking bags, going through security, and then waiting at a crowded gate all royally suck.

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« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2015, 08:02:36 AM »
My wife just made me spend a week at an all inclusive Mexican resort.  We sat at the pool and drank beer.   It sucked big time.   We live less than 3 minutes from a water park we don't visit and beer is damn cheap here.  Well there is 3k and 9 days of my life I'll never get back.   

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Re: Anyone else despise travel?
« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2015, 08:09:40 AM »
My wife just made me spend a week at an all inclusive Mexican resort.  We sat at the pool and drank beer.   It sucked big time.   We live less than 3 minutes from a water park we don't visit and beer is damn cheap here.  Well there is 3k and 9 days of my life I'll never get back.

Yeah, that would suck. I have no use for all-inclusive resorts, cruises or the like. When I travel, it involves camping, hiking, nature, history, culture and just immersing myself in a new, authentic place. Lounging around a pool and drinking beer is something I can do (and often do) at a friend's house.