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Anyone else being scouted by a reality TV producer?
« on: November 06, 2021, 01:49:00 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2021, 02:12:15 PM »
Only those of us who post...

They also made a single post with more info which made it clear your average poster isn't even their target.

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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2021, 10:18:09 PM »
I was targeted by a "reality show" producer who was interested in covering a renn-fair.   Seemed a bit dodgy and I had a real job, so I passed.  But I stayed on the mailing list for years (still on it, got another msg in the last week) and my concerns were well-founded as to the truthfulness of anything that would be presented to the public.

Based on anything I've read or learned about other shows, that's par for the course.

Assume until proven otherwise:

1) They'll act like sumbitches.
2) Anything they film will be used for the biggest possible dramatic effect even if they have to mislead about the situation big time to do it.
3) They'll be smarter about screwing you over than you are at protecting yourself.   After all, they're professionals at it.

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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2021, 06:52:42 AM »
Umm....

I have friends in reality TV production and friends who have been on reality TV including a woman who ended up a "villain" despite getting along with everyone on the show, I would NEVER agree to be featured in a reality TV show.

A news segment, maybe, depending on the subject matter, but not a reality TV show where the whole point is to make people look ridiculous.

What would you even get out of it?

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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2021, 07:32:20 AM »
I was targeted by a "reality show" producer who was interested in covering a renn-fair.   Seemed a bit dodgy and I had a real job, so I passed.  But I stayed on the mailing list for years (still on it, got another msg in the last week) and my concerns were well-founded as to the truthfulness of anything that would be presented to the public.

Based on anything I've read or learned about other shows, that's par for the course.

Assume until proven otherwise:

1) They'll like like sumbitches.
2) Anything they film will be used for the biggest possible dramatic effect even if they have to mislead about the situation big time to do it.
3) They'll be smarter about screwing you over than you are at protecting yourself.   After all, they're professionals at it.


I agree. I'm on another forum where TV producers try to recruit posters and their partners to appear on their show. The finished episodes usually feature the most awful, drama-filled, trainwreck cases, all played up for the cameras. Hint: it's a US immigration-related reality TV show.

Maybe it's time the MMM forum had a clear policy about this kind of solicitation.
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Re: Anyone else being scouted by a reality TV producer?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2021, 07:04:06 PM »
Have not received, which is weird since you'd think they'd go after a guy using his real name.

The pay for reality TV is pretty low, the demands on your time are high, and you have no means by which to control how you are portrayed.

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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2021, 12:34:58 AM »
I wonder if the forum needs to have a policy against this kind of solicitation.

I'm on another forum where TV producers tried to recruit posters.
I was targeted by a "reality show" producer who was interested in covering a renn-fair.   Seemed a bit dodgy and I had a real job, so I passed.  But I stayed on the mailing list for years (still on it, got another msg in the last week) and my concerns were well-founded as to the truthfulness of anything that would be presented to the public.

Based on anything I've read or learned about other shows, that's par for the course.

Assume until proven otherwise:

1) They'll like like sumbitches.
2) Anything they film will be used for the biggest possible dramatic effect even if they have to mislead about the situation big time to do it.
3) They'll be smarter about screwing you over than you are at protecting yourself.   After all, they're professionals at it.


I agree. I'm on another forum where TV producers try to recruit posters and their partners to appear on their show. The finished episodes usually feature the most awful, drama-filled, trainwreck cases, all played up for the cameras. Hint: it's a US immigration-related reality TV show.

Maybe it's time the MMM forum had a clear policy about this kind of solicitation.
Lol - I thought of you when I watched it recently.  And myself too. I remember my now DH's SIL wouldn't talk to me for a year because she thought I was just looking for an in to stay in Canada!

Young Asian girl dating an older Canadian man who was awkward with girls - rather typical stereotype!

In one season there was an older Filipino lady who met her American boyfriend online. The show potrayed her badly. I followed up on her story and they both seemed like genuine people who have stayed married many years later. Obviously their story was heavily edited.

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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2021, 06:31:57 AM »
I wonder if the forum needs to have a policy against this kind of solicitation.

I'm on another forum where TV producers tried to recruit posters.
I was targeted by a "reality show" producer who was interested in covering a renn-fair.   Seemed a bit dodgy and I had a real job, so I passed.  But I stayed on the mailing list for years (still on it, got another msg in the last week) and my concerns were well-founded as to the truthfulness of anything that would be presented to the public.

Based on anything I've read or learned about other shows, that's par for the course.

Assume until proven otherwise:

1) They'll like like sumbitches.
2) Anything they film will be used for the biggest possible dramatic effect even if they have to mislead about the situation big time to do it.
3) They'll be smarter about screwing you over than you are at protecting yourself.   After all, they're professionals at it.


I agree. I'm on another forum where TV producers try to recruit posters and their partners to appear on their show. The finished episodes usually feature the most awful, drama-filled, trainwreck cases, all played up for the cameras. Hint: it's a US immigration-related reality TV show.

Maybe it's time the MMM forum had a clear policy about this kind of solicitation.
Lol - I thought of you when I watched it recently.  And myself too. I remember my now DH's SIL wouldn't talk to me for a year because she thought I was just looking for an in to stay in Canada!

Young Asian girl dating an older Canadian man who was awkward with girls - rather typical stereotype!

In one season there was an older Filipino lady who met her American boyfriend online. The show potrayed her badly. I followed up on her story and they both seemed like genuine people who have stayed married many years later. Obviously their story was heavily edited.

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A friend in reality tv made a video for his sister's wedding, it was really well done and actually quite moving , and I'm not easily moved by crap like that. He's very good at his job.

However, he then played an alternative cut that made them look like the WORST couple in the world and like the bride was legitimately disgusted by the groom and marrying him for nefarious purposes.

All from the exact same footage, it was amazing.

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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2021, 06:55:01 AM »
A friend in reality tv made a video for his sister's wedding, it was really well done and actually quite moving , and I'm not easily moved by crap like that. He's very good at his job.

However, he then played an alternative cut that made them look like the WORST couple in the world and like the bride was legitimately disgusted by the groom and marrying him for nefarious purposes.

All from the exact same footage, it was amazing.

That would be a really cool wedding gift. You could have the legitimate copy for the memories and the alternative cut for the laughs.

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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2021, 07:06:15 AM »
@elaine amj Oh, you know it! Both he and I got that same reaction from people we knew, "Oh, so it's like [reality TV show]??" Yeah, no.

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2021, 07:10:07 AM »
@elaine amj Oh, you know it! Both he and I got that same reaction from people we knew, "Oh, so it's like [reality TV show]??" Yeah, no.

That's really not okay.

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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2021, 07:26:39 AM »

A friend in reality tv made a video for his sister's wedding, it was really well done and actually quite moving , and I'm not easily moved by crap like that. He's very good at his job.

However, he then played an alternative cut that made them look like the WORST couple in the world and like the bride was legitimately disgusted by the groom and marrying him for nefarious purposes.

All from the exact same footage, it was amazing.

This is the exact same feeling I had when I was a witness in a trial.  I truly felt that no one was looking for justice.  They just wanted me to say small snippets that fit in with their story line whether or not it represented reality.  I was pissed enough that I snuck in comments to let the jury know they weren't hearing the whole story. 

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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2021, 07:41:32 AM »
@elaine amj Oh, you know it! Both he and I got that same reaction from people we knew, "Oh, so it's like [reality TV show]??" Yeah, no.

That's really not okay.
That was actually mild compared to some of the other comments I got. One coworker called me a "success story" because I was dating a white American man. That really changed my opinion of her.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2021, 07:47:06 AM »
@elaine amj Oh, you know it! Both he and I got that same reaction from people we knew, "Oh, so it's like [reality TV show]??" Yeah, no.

That's really not okay.
That was actually mild compared to some of the other comments I got. One coworker called me a "success story" because I was dating a white American man. That really changed my opinion of her.

Ugh, barf. People can be so gross.

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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2021, 11:21:52 AM »
@elaine amj Oh, you know it! Both he and I got that same reaction from people we knew, "Oh, so it's like [reality TV show]??" Yeah, no.

That's really not okay.
To be fair to DH's friends and his SIL, they care deeply for him and the optics of the whole thing look rather suspicious.  I certainly didn't like getting the silent treatment, but I understood the love behind it. I am now her favourite sister in law lol.

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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2021, 11:56:26 AM »
The ironic thing is that an honest TV show about FIRE people would be so boring as to be unwatchable. The path to FIRE should be boring, if you're doing it right. There's little to no entertainment value in watching people cook meals at home, patiently invest most of their paycheck in index funds, and go for long walks instead of driving to amusement parks.

And that's an excellent reason why you shouldn't trust reality-TV producers. They need conflict and drama to make their show entertaining, and if there isn't any, they'll manufacture some. They're capable of filming you for months just to cut together the twenty minutes of footage that make you look like a crazy person.

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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2021, 12:37:28 PM »
The ironic thing is that an honest TV show about FIRE people would be so boring as to be unwatchable. The path to FIRE should be boring, if you're doing it right. There's little to no entertainment value in watching people cook meals at home, patiently invest most of their paycheck in index funds, and go for long walks instead of driving to amusement parks.

And that's an excellent reason why you shouldn't trust reality-TV producers. They need conflict and drama to make their show entertaining, and if there isn't any, they'll manufacture some. They're capable of filming you for months just to cut together the twenty minutes of footage that make you look like a crazy person.

I'm trying to even imagine what a FIRE reality tv show would look like, and you're right, there would be NO PLOT if it included anyone doing it properly.

No matter what tensions arise in life, if you are doing it properly, then things should be less stressful and dramatic. I often say that becoming disabled and losing my high earning career was not the end of the world solely because I'm mustachian. It could have been life ruining. Instead, my life is easier than those of most able-bodied people.

You could make a news segment or a documentary about it and make it interesting, but I can't fathom how you would do a reality show, unless it was a Gail Vaz Oxlade type show, where Pete travels the country verbally abusing consumer suckers into changing their lifestyles?

Actually, I would watch that.

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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2021, 01:29:30 PM »
The ironic thing is that an honest TV show about FIRE people would be so boring as to be unwatchable. The path to FIRE should be boring, if you're doing it right. There's little to no entertainment value in watching people cook meals at home, patiently invest most of their paycheck in index funds, and go for long walks instead of driving to amusement parks.

And that's an excellent reason why you shouldn't trust reality-TV producers. They need conflict and drama to make their show entertaining, and if there isn't any, they'll manufacture some. They're capable of filming you for months just to cut together the twenty minutes of footage that make you look like a crazy person.

I'm trying to even imagine what a FIRE reality tv show would look like, and you're right, there would be NO PLOT if it included anyone doing it properly.

No matter what tensions arise in life, if you are doing it properly, then things should be less stressful and dramatic. I often say that becoming disabled and losing my high earning career was not the end of the world solely because I'm mustachian. It could have been life ruining. Instead, my life is easier than those of most able-bodied people.

You could make a news segment or a documentary about it and make it interesting, but I can't fathom how you would do a reality show, unless it was a Gail Vaz Oxlade type show, where Pete travels the country verbally abusing consumer suckers into changing their lifestyles?

Actually, I would watch that.
I agree with both of you.  First, that a FIRE reality TV show would be boring.
Cooking meals at home, walking the dog.  Staying home and playing cards with the kids.
Spending weekend doing meal prep, cutting the hedge, going for  bike rides, doing laundry instead of taking weekend vacations or eating out.
I mean, I don't even do anything worthy of "extreme cheapskates".

But I love me some Gail. That was a great show (generally I find Canadian reality TV to be higher quality than US - at least I did, back when I had cable).

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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2021, 01:46:02 PM »
I've seen a few of those Refinery 29 money diaries posted on here, and I can't help but think of how boring mine would be in comparison:
Monday: spend $0
Tuesday: spend $0 again
etc.

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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2021, 02:45:29 PM »
I've seen a few of those Refinery 29 money diaries posted on here, and I can't help but think of how boring mine would be in comparison:
Monday: spend $0
Tuesday: spend $0 again
etc.

I did one of those once. It was literally like that. Day 1: $0 Day 2: $8 for a huge sack of rice at a sketchy alley warehouse where you pass cash under a grill. Day 3: $0.

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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2021, 02:48:15 PM »
I've seen a few of those Refinery 29 money diaries posted on here, and I can't help but think of how boring mine would be in comparison:
Monday: spend $0
Tuesday: spend $0 again
etc.

I did one of those once. It was literally like that. Day 1: $0 Day 2: $8 for a huge sack of rice at a sketchy alley warehouse where you pass cash under a grill. Day 3: $0.

Oh, fun!!! I have heard bloggers promoting getting the management phone call from personal capital as a badge of honor, but I think the real badge of honor is when Mint sends an email saying "wait, that can't be right" when you don't spend any money for a week.

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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2021, 09:55:21 PM »
I loved the show with Gail.

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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2021, 10:02:08 PM »
I didn't get any reality TV producers messaging me. :( (I'm bored and shameless enough that I would actually go for it haha - but I doubt they'd travel all the way to Quebec City.)

I think you miiiight be able to get a fairly show going if:
a) you follow really lean-FIRE people and then only show the wackiest stuff they do, or
b) use a "wife swap" format to mix up people (wives, husbands, whatever) from consumerist and FIREd couples, and force the consumerist to live lean, but then also force the FIREd person to spend X amount of money every day. (Forced consumerism, oh no! :P )

There are ways to spice up nearly everything, I think. It's all about contrast.

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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2021, 05:34:32 AM »
I didn't get any reality TV producers messaging me. :( (I'm bored and shameless enough that I would actually go for it haha - but I doubt they'd travel all the way to Quebec City.)

I think you miiiight be able to get a fairly show going if:
a) you follow really lean-FIRE people and then only show the wackiest stuff they do, or
b) use a "wife swap" format to mix up people (wives, husbands, whatever) from consumerist and FIREd couples, and force the consumerist to live lean, but then also force the FIREd person to spend X amount of money every day. (Forced consumerism, oh no! :P )

There are ways to spice up nearly everything, I think. It's all about contrast.

The second option would be interesting.  My reaction to a spendy "TV spouse" would probably be more dramatic than their reaction to my frugal spending.  My heart stops for a couple seconds everytime I hear how much friends and family spend on things that I spend 1/4 the money on.  $50k for a car for example.  Or $1200 on groceries. 

Or a show that follows real couples where one is frugal and good with money and the other is terrible with money.  My friend, an accountant, tells me about grocery shopping with his wife.  She will throw things into the cart and when he asks how much it costs, she'll shrug and say "I don't know".  Drives him nuts, and makes me laugh out loud.

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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2021, 07:16:30 AM »
Run, don't walk, away from these things.

In his book, The Psychopath Test, Jon Ronson describes how the producers of unscripted shows purposefully target people with a diagnosis of mental illness.  They are devious. They intentionally seek to amp up the drama using the people least equipped to handle the fall out.
The worst offender is Dr. Phil, IMO.  But even an innocuous show like Great British Bake Off had contestants getting threatened and bullied online. Threats over pastry. It should be a bunch of wholesome good fun, not anything that puts anyone in any kind of danger.
You can't control your image with these things.  And when the editing is done to hype drama, you've surrendered what little privacy you have for insufficient remuneration. 

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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2021, 08:56:43 AM »
Run, don't walk, away from these things.

In his book, The Psychopath Test, Jon Ronson describes how the producers of unscripted shows purposefully target people with a diagnosis of mental illness.  They are devious. They intentionally seek to amp up the drama using the people least equipped to handle the fall out.
The worst offender is Dr. Phil, IMO.  But even an innocuous show like Great British Bake Off had contestants getting threatened and bullied online. Threats over pastry. It should be a bunch of wholesome good fun, not anything that puts anyone in any kind of danger.
You can't control your image with these things.  And when the editing is done to hype drama, you've surrendered what little privacy you have for insufficient remuneration.

As a college professor we are trained to not trust the press. As a academic, we are most concerned with protecting the integrity of the research. Reporters often misreport findings to get a more dramatic effect and coverage. I've turned down a handful of interviews in my 10-year career. 

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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2021, 01:48:03 PM »
We were once recruited for a reality tv show about families moving internationally. Our kids couldn't understand why we'd turn down the chance to be on TV!

I have a friend with 10 kids who was recruited for a show about (duh) large families and agreed to an interview. Her family was not selected, on the grounds that they seemed too happy and there wasn't enough potential for "interest" (i.e. drama).

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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2021, 06:37:27 PM »
Her family was not selected, on the grounds that they seemed too happy and there wasn't enough potential for "interest" (i.e. drama).
Sounds like jury selection: if you follow the news at all or show any signs of intelligence, both sides will say they don't want you on the jury LOL

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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2021, 06:44:28 PM »
This seems to be the group that is trolling the site.  I'd report them to the moderators if you feel so inclined.  I think their other post (advertisement) was removed earlier. 

I did not get them private message.  Lucky me :).

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« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2021, 10:44:25 AM »
I wonder if the forum needs to have a policy against this kind of solicitation.

I'm on another forum where TV producers tried to recruit posters.
I was targeted by a "reality show" producer who was interested in covering a renn-fair.   Seemed a bit dodgy and I had a real job, so I passed.  But I stayed on the mailing list for years (still on it, got another msg in the last week) and my concerns were well-founded as to the truthfulness of anything that would be presented to the public.

Based on anything I've read or learned about other shows, that's par for the course.

Assume until proven otherwise:

1) They'll like like sumbitches.
2) Anything they film will be used for the biggest possible dramatic effect even if they have to mislead about the situation big time to do it.
3) They'll be smarter about screwing you over than you are at protecting yourself.   After all, they're professionals at it.


I agree. I'm on another forum where TV producers try to recruit posters and their partners to appear on their show. The finished episodes usually feature the most awful, drama-filled, trainwreck cases, all played up for the cameras. Hint: it's a US immigration-related reality TV show.

Maybe it's time the MMM forum had a clear policy about this kind of solicitation.
Lol - I thought of you when I watched it recently.  And myself too. I remember my now DH's SIL wouldn't talk to me for a year because she thought I was just looking for an in to stay in Canada!

Young Asian girl dating an older Canadian man who was awkward with girls - rather typical stereotype!

In one season there was an older Filipino lady who met her American boyfriend online. The show potrayed her badly. I followed up on her story and they both seemed like genuine people who have stayed married many years later. Obviously their story was heavily edited.

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A friend in reality tv made a video for his sister's wedding, it was really well done and actually quite moving , and I'm not easily moved by crap like that. He's very good at his job.

However, he then played an alternative cut that made them look like the WORST couple in the world and like the bride was legitimately disgusted by the groom and marrying him for nefarious purposes.

All from the exact same footage, it was amazing.
. That's so funny!!! Of course I'd love to see the footage but oh well. That's why reality tv sells.

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« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2021, 08:33:47 PM »
@elaine amj Oh, you know it! Both he and I got that same reaction from people we knew, "Oh, so it's like [reality TV show]??" Yeah, no.

That's really not okay.
One coworker called me a "success story" because I was dating a white American man.

Oh my, quite the success story.

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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2021, 10:00:30 AM »
@elaine amj Oh, you know it! Both he and I got that same reaction from people we knew, "Oh, so it's like [reality TV show]??" Yeah, no.

That's really not okay.
One coworker called me a "success story" because I was dating a white American man.

Oh my, quite the success story.
Mhmm, never mind that I graduated with honors from the best university in my country, was fully self-sufficient at an age when most of my peers were still living at their parents' house, and had a stable, well-paid career long before I met that American man. Envy really does bring out the ugly in people.
Anyway, I wonder who else on the forum got the PMs from the reality TV people.

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Re: Anyone else being scouted by a reality TV producer?
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2021, 06:46:57 PM »
I feel slighted I tell you...SLIGHTED...at not being asked! OK not really ;-).

spartana - as I've said before, you are my FIRE hero.* Therefore I can only conclude the producers were too intimidated by your awesomeness to inquire.

* Okay, okay - technically ONE of my FIRE heroes. Which are still a single-digit number of heroes.

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Re: Anyone else being scouted by a reality TV producer?
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2021, 06:50:13 AM »
Her family was not selected, on the grounds that they seemed too happy and there wasn't enough potential for "interest" (i.e. drama).
Sounds like jury selection: if you follow the news at all or show any signs of intelligence, both sides will say they don't want you on the jury LOL

I find this interesting since it seems to run contrary from what I have experienced from my time being selected being on a jury (and an alternate on a second).  I was thinking, I'm a scientist, no way they will pick me.  Well, when my time finally came, my question was to the effect of: do you understand that science doesn't work like CSI and that the science device doesn't just point out the perpetrator?  I told them I didn't watch the show, but I understood how science, especially biological testing actually worked.  The lawyer asking said "we want her" other opposing lawyer said "we do too."  And that is how I ended up on a jury trial. 

Of course, that doesn't necessary show a sign of intelligence, merely a background and chosen profession.