Author Topic: Another sign that my $ is depleting: Test transfer from backup bank acct. Sigh..  (Read 2397 times)

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FIReD in 2018 at age 47. (single, no kids)

Been used to cash flow from job to cover bills.
Still not used to xferring $ to cover bills.

Sighed when I xferred some $ from brokerage acct to main acct.
but Seeing my main acct go from 5 figures to 4 figures wasnt as bad as i thought.

Sighed today when I did a test xfer from backup bank acct to main acct.
another sign that $ is depleting.

Note:
Still going to xfer $ from brokerage acct to cover bills.
The test xfer was exactly that.. a test incase something goes wrong with my brokerage xfer because Morgan Stanley is buying them out. (E-trade)
easier than setting up all my billpays again.

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This is the most confusing, poorly written post I've ever seen.  What are you even trying to say?

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You transferred money to your main account, and the balance went down?

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This is the most confusing, poorly written post I've ever seen.  What are you even trying to say?

HA!! thinking and wondering the same thing.

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This is the most confusing, poorly written post I've ever seen.  What are you even trying to say?
I think OP is having a hard time transitioning mentally from having an income to needing to withdraw from investments.

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FIReD in 2018 at age 47. (single, no kids)

Been used to cash flow from job to cover bills.
Still not used to xferring $ to cover bills.

Sighed when I xferred some $ from brokerage acct to main acct.
but Seeing my main acct go from 5 figures to 4 figures wasnt as bad as i thought.

Sighed today when I did a test xfer from backup bank acct to main acct.
another sign that $ is depleting.

Note:
Still going to xfer $ from brokerage acct to cover bills.
The test xfer was exactly that.. a test incase something goes wrong with my brokerage xfer because Morgan Stanley is buying them out. (E-trade)
easier than setting up all my billpays again.

So you retired in 2018 with 3 years of expenses in your checking account? 😳

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But OP says he is FIRE and has a job. I checked with Snopes and they confirmed OP is trolling us.

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This is the most confusing, poorly written post I've ever seen.  What are you even trying to say?
I think OP is having a hard time transitioning mentally from having an income to needing to withdraw from investments.
+1

JoePublic3.14

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And what in the heck was OP invested in the last three years that stayed even? The dollars that were in my brokerage account three years ago have all had babies.

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But OP says he is FIRE and has a job. I checked with Snopes and they confirmed OP is trolling us.

Who/what is Snopes?

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But OP says he is FIRE and has a job. I checked with Snopes and they confirmed OP is trolling us.

Who/what is Snopes?

https://www.snopes.com
Snopes determines what on the internet it true, not CNN.


friedmmj

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But OP says he is FIRE and has a job. I checked with Snopes and they confirmed OP is trolling us.

Who/what is Snopes?

https://www.snopes.com
Snopes determines what on the internet it true, not CNN.

Ok, but were you joking about vetting the OP? 

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But OP says he is FIRE and has a job. I checked with Snopes and they confirmed OP is trolling us.

Who/what is Snopes?

https://www.snopes.com
Snopes determines what on the internet it true, not CNN.

Ok, but were you joking about vetting the OP?

I'm the worst person to ask about what is true on the internet!

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But OP says he is FIRE and has a job. I checked with Snopes and they confirmed OP is trolling us.

Who/what is Snopes?

https://www.snopes.com
Snopes determines what on the internet it true, not CNN.

Ok, but were you joking about vetting the OP?

I'm the worst person to ask about what is true on the internet!
You literally have “troll” in your name :-p

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I sympathize with the OP.  That process took me about a year to accept.

I think I read somewhere that loss is 3x more felt than gain.  That probably has something to do with it. 

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FIReD in 2018 at age 47. (single, no kids)

Been used to cash flow from job to cover bills.
Still not used to xferring $ to cover bills.

Sighed when I xferred some $ from brokerage acct to main acct.
but Seeing my main acct go from 5 figures to 4 figures wasnt as bad as i thought.

Sighed today when I did a test xfer from backup bank acct to main acct.
another sign that $ is depleting.

Note:
Still going to xfer $ from brokerage acct to cover bills.
The test xfer was exactly that.. a test incase something goes wrong with my brokerage xfer because Morgan Stanley is buying them out. (E-trade)
easier than setting up all my billpays again.

Transferring money from a brokerage account to your spending accounts can have a psychological effect. But it’s more important to consider your withdrawal rate.

People will argue all day long about the “correct“ maximum withdrawal rate for somebody 50 years of age and in retirement. I lean toward the conservative approach. If your annual spending is 3.5% of your total invested assets (not your house) it seems to me you’re in good shape.

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People will argue all day long about the “correct“ maximum withdrawal rate for somebody 50 years of age and in retirement. I lean toward the conservative approach. If your annual spending is 3.5% of your total invested assets (not your house) it seems to me you’re in good shape.

I still never quite understand this.  If you had $400,000 in bonds paying 4%, which would be $16,000 and you rented a house for $1600 a month, would you count the $400,000 as part of your invested assets or would you count it as your house money and leave it out of the equation?

If the former, what happens if you purchase the house you are renting for $400,000?

It just seems very volatile what your numbers would be as you swap back and forth from renting or owning.

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People will argue all day long about the “correct“ maximum withdrawal rate for somebody 50 years of age and in retirement. I lean toward the conservative approach. If your annual spending is 3.5% of your total invested assets (not your house) it seems to me you’re in good shape.

I still never quite understand this.  If you had $400,000 in bonds paying 4%, which would be $16,000 and you rented a house for $1600 a month, would you count the $400,000 as part of your invested assets or would you count it as your house money and leave it out of the equation?

If the former, what happens if you purchase the house you are renting for $400,000?

It just seems very volatile what your numbers would be as you swap back and forth from renting or owning.

In the first case, you'd count $19,200 in rent ($1,600*12) as part of your annual expenses and $400,000 as part of your total invested assets.

If you bought the house your annual expenses would go down by most-of-$19,200-except-property-tax-and-maintence and your total invested assets goes down by $400,000.

The weird case where the 4% rule (or 3.5% if you're Ron Scott) is when you're 20-odd years into a 30 year mortgage and, with a relatively small decrease in your total invested net assets you can decrease your annual expenses substantially, or alternatively with a cash out refinance to a new 30 year term you can increase your total invested net assets without changing your annual expenses.

For a mortgage that has been running for a lot of years already, the annual expenses to non-house assets ratio is probably misleadingly conservative in its predictions of retirement success rates.

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People will argue all day long about the “correct“ maximum withdrawal rate for somebody 50 years of age and in retirement. I lean toward the conservative approach. If your annual spending is 3.5% of your total invested assets (not your house) it seems to me you’re in good shape.

I still never quite understand this.  If you had $400,000 in bonds paying 4%, which would be $16,000 and you rented a house for $1600 a month, would you count the $400,000 as part of your invested assets or would you count it as your house money and leave it out of the equation?

If the former, what happens if you purchase the house you are renting for $400,000?

It just seems very volatile what your numbers would be as you swap back and forth from renting or owning.

In the first case, you'd count $19,200 in rent ($1,600*12) as part of your annual expenses and $400,000 as part of your total invested assets.

If you bought the house your annual expenses would go down by most-of-$19,200-except-property-tax-and-maintence and your total invested assets goes down by $400,000.

The weird case where the 4% rule (or 3.5% if you're Ron Scott) is when you're 20-odd years into a 30 year mortgage and, with a relatively small decrease in your total invested net assets you can decrease your annual expenses substantially, or alternatively with a cash out refinance to a new 30 year term you can increase your total invested net assets without changing your annual expenses.

For a mortgage that has been running for a lot of years already, the annual expenses to non-house assets ratio is probably misleadingly conservative in its predictions of retirement success rates.

If you are applying the 4% rule (or 3.5% or whatever), then it means you are trying to use a plan that has you not running out of money until you are 95 (or whatever age you desire).

So when you get down to your last $400,000 at age 90 and are still renting, it looks like you are totally fine.   Your neighbor who owns an identical home valued at $400,000 and who also happens to be 90 only has $5k left in their bank account and looks like they are screwed.  All they have to do though is reverse mortgage or sell and rent and they are in just as good a shape.

It is why I always include home value in assets for calculations.  To do otherwise is just using fake numbers.