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Samuel

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Re: After review, math checks out on "$1.00 per drink"
« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2020, 09:47:14 AM »
Depends.  Drinking is empty calories, and obesity isn't good for your health.  (Although, recent studies have indicated that for those over 70 you're more likely to live longer if your obese than 'correct' weight - https://academic.oup.com/gerontologist/article/45/4/438/565599.  So if you're over 70 eat up!    :P   )

Choose your empty calories wisely! For me, a really good stout beats the heck out of a Big Mac.

I'd take a good slice of chocolate cake over either.

I would, and regularly do, choose a second or third drink over any dessert. I enjoy a good beer, wine or whiskey much more than any sugary treat and nutritionally speaking an unsweetened alcoholic beverage compares pretty favorably to chocolate cake, ice cream, (and even many fruit juices).

It is largely about carefully choosing your low nutrition calories. I prefer mine with an extra helping of camaraderie...


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Re: After review, math checks out on "$1.00 per drink"
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2020, 10:27:29 AM »
Depends.  Drinking is empty calories, and obesity isn't good for your health.  (Although, recent studies have indicated that for those over 70 you're more likely to live longer if your obese than 'correct' weight - https://academic.oup.com/gerontologist/article/45/4/438/565599.  So if you're over 70 eat up!    :P   )

Choose your empty calories wisely! For me, a really good stout beats the heck out of a Big Mac.

I'd take a good slice of chocolate cake over either.

I would, and regularly do, choose a second or third drink over any dessert. I enjoy a good beer, wine or whiskey much more than any sugary treat and nutritionally speaking an unsweetened alcoholic beverage compares pretty favorably to chocolate cake, ice cream, (and even many fruit juices).

It is largely about carefully choosing your low nutrition calories. I prefer mine with an extra helping of camaraderie...

Don't underestimate the camaraderie that goes with coffee/tea and home baked goodies!


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Re: After review, math checks out on "$1.00 per drink"
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2020, 01:28:02 PM »
I have maybe 3 drinks a  week, so single malt scotch, micro brews, and mai tais with Domician rum and fresh squeezed fruit juice have a neglible effect on my budget. Cost per drink $2-4. Plus I am FIREd, so there is that.

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Re: After review, math checks out on "$1.00 per drink"
« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2020, 02:26:06 PM »

Does that research indicate if it's the health impacts of the alcohol, or the health impacts of the implied social network that is extending life expectancy? Or something else? Because I'll be perfectly honest, I have a hard time believing that someone who drinks a beer every day for years doesn't have a negative health impact over someone who didn't.

I have no trouble believing this.  People who stop drinking die in under a week.  Now, if want to convince me that regularly consuming a toxic drug (ethanol) has significant health benefits, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.  Go check the drunk driving statistics before you argue that alcohol promotes long life.
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I have trouble believing it because it doesn't meet the common sense test.    The question was about one beer a day.   Alcohol is a natural product of fermentation.  All vertebrate species are equipped with a hepactic enzyme system allowing them to metabolize alcohol.  Many animals seem to prefer and even seek out partially fermented fruit, including the pen-tailed tree shew, which eats mostly fermented nectar. The likely reason is that fermentation process makes nutrients more available for digestion.

Along those lines, humans throughout history and in all cultures deliberately ferment food and eaten it along the associated by-products.   Bread, cheese, pickles, on and on, so it doesn't stand to reason that alcohol is the one fermented product we can't consume.   And as witnessed by all the conflicting studies mentioned above, the effects of moderate to low alcohol consumption are so small, that it is impossible to even measure them with any reproducibility--which is to say, there likely aren't any.

Beer has plenty of flavonoids along with lots of available vitamins and minerals.  It isn't like Coca-Cola with no nutritional value.   Again, the question was about one beer a day.  If you would have said six beers a day, then everyone would agree with you.  But one?  Doesn't pass the sniff test. 

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Re: After review, math checks out on "$1.00 per drink"
« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2020, 03:02:20 PM »
Depending how much you drink, you may need to also factor in the financial costs of health problems caused by alcohol.  I'm assuming that you're too smart to drive after drinking, but for someone who does, they need to also factor in the cost of possibly wrecking their own vehicle and other people's vehicles.  For some people, the costs of drinking may include the costs of a divorce.  Of course this all depends on the amount drunk and the individual situation, but for a lot of people there are substantial hidden costs with alcohol consumption.

It is also very well documented within epidemiology research that people who consume 1-2 drinks/day live longer than people who do not drink at all. Once you go over 2 drinks per day, the health benefits disappear.

Does that research indicate if it's the health impacts of the alcohol, or the health impacts of the implied social network that is extending life expectancy? Or something else? Because I'll be perfectly honest, I have a hard time believing that someone who drinks a beer every day for years doesn't have a negative health impact over someone who didn't.

I have no trouble believing this.  People who stop drinking die in under a week.  Now, if want to convince me that regularly consuming a toxic drug (ethanol) has significant health benefits, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.  Go check the drunk driving statistics before you argue that alcohol promotes long life.

As long as everyone else is critiquing this comment...

I'll add that it misunderstands what "toxic" means. Alcohol is not a toxic drug unless one has consumed enough to kill them by alcohol poisoning.