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Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« on: June 12, 2015, 02:40:41 PM »
Fellow Mustachians,

I've been a reader since about last September and have only joined the forum a few weeks ago, so apologies if this has been on another thread, but...

Some friends and I got to thinking... if you add up the savings from the various face-punches you've received and acted upon since starting the MMM journey, how much would it be?

I took a stab at it- and after some tweaking, ended up with a simple sheet which I'll link below.

What I did: used the "Future Value" function and added columns for annual savings, one-time savings/cost, and Total saved 10-years (it had to be 10 years, right?). I also used a 7% interest rate, which some may want to debate. Fine with me.

What I left out: I didn't include mortgage decisions (even though we re-fied recently, somewhat due to MMM-reading) because that could get very skewed since houses are such huge expenses and there's the whole argument for not paying off early, only doing 30-yrs etc and investing elsewhere with better returns over your IR.. etc... which felt too complicated for apples-to-apples comparison.   

I'm talking real, concrete changes, that you can see in the monthly budget, that can compound over 10 years and give you (and MMM!) a number to be damn proud of. 

So, what's my number? Even if I only include the one's that are easier to calculate (I've not bothered with the chandelier incand->LED power savings calculation yet), I get:

$38,216 saved over 10 years!
[expense ratio optimization, diy hot water heater, phone/carrier upgrade/switch, auto/home insurance shop-around]

Not too shabby for a few month's work, although I expect some of you out there are far more badass.

Here's the link to my published spreadsheet- I've left my numbers in there so you can see 'em.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pGZYG0avD0MsxLAFoJdNbnA1EAbhK1bn8z01DbW_4Vc/edit#gid=0 (you'll need to make a copy to be able to change the numbers)

What do you get? 

 

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2015, 03:01:01 PM »
In the 2 +- years since I started reading the blog, I have probably saved $24k + earnings.  Saved some on cell phones, internet, but mostly by cutting eating out way back and not blowing as much money on hobby related items.  The additional savings really don't add up to much in the scheme of things, but the biggest difference is our stache's ability to cover our lower expenses. 

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2015, 03:13:41 PM »
Only thing I changed coming on here was cell phones.  And that only $10/month because we were on a family plan with family and now we are not.  Granted the lack of family plan is a stress reducer.

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2015, 03:38:28 PM »
err.....ummm... I'm probably spending (a little bit) more.

yikes.

I'll go away now...

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2015, 03:50:25 PM »
err.....ummm... I'm probably spending (a little bit) more.

yikes.

I'll go away now...

Heh, you failed to mention you were spending on the poverty line already before MMM

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2015, 03:51:28 PM »
Over the last two years I've certainly saved thousands. Hell, I've saved over 1k dollars just on cell phone service. Earnings from maxing out my 401k and HSA saved me a ton too. Most of all though, not eating out has saved me an amount I can't calculate.

A rough guess is at least 12k dollars. That's assuming I spend 500 less a month on food, which is almost definitely conservative guesswork. Then there's the car. Downsizing my vehicle has saved me thousands on both taxes and gas. Less on car payments, but that's because I'm trying to pay down my downsize car within a year. Soon. I refinanced my house and gutted my cable plan (though sadly I'm stuck for another year) and these two things save me 250 dollars a month put together.

Put it all together and I have around 20-25k more of my earnings put in investment accounts over the past couple years, and then the interest of that principle, which is significant. I would guess I am at least 35k richer because of MMM. This is 1/4 of my net worth.

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2015, 03:53:26 PM »
err.....ummm... I'm probably spending (a little bit) more.

yikes.

I'll go away now...

Heh, you failed to mention you were spending on the poverty line already before MMM

Haha well yes. I've relaxed the pursestrings a bit. It's good to be in a position to actually do that without having a measurable impact on your overall finances.


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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2015, 05:59:38 PM »
I lack good data for pre-MMM.

But I can answer differently - MMM saved me 10-12 yrs., before I was a sucka that just assumed I had to work until full SS kick in. But I found this place with a different viewpoint and discovered I could FIRE at 55 (aka NOW).

And by MMM I mean not only Mr. MM, but also this whole community that shares its knowledge and experience so freely.

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2015, 06:19:32 PM »
MMM has saved me from having to work 23 extra years.

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2015, 06:30:02 PM »
With near-zero change in our current standard of living, $60k higher savings and removed costs.

Before MMM I was headed for the train wreck of declining employability but working until 65 and having a "normal" retirement living on social security. Now I've got a decent shot at retiring in my 50's with my living standard intact, keeping the house and maybe even doing a little traveling.
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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2015, 06:59:18 PM »
This place hasn't really saved me any money, but it's helped me earn a bunch in investments. It's also helped defer a lot of taxes, not a straight-up savings but nothing to sneeze at.

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2015, 09:55:09 PM »
After nearly 3.5years of mustachianism, its hard to calculate exactly but I've saved around 100k mortgage interest over the life of the mortgage, plus around 40k/yr in expenses, and will retire around 7 years earlier.

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2015, 01:16:25 AM »
not sure about long term impacts yet, but after I read Pete's blog i dropped my landline, saving 75/month, dropped most of my tv services and added netflix, saving about 90/month.  I paid off two cars, saving buttloads of interest, I traded my gas guzzler car in for a Prius, and save 150/month, probably more since the maintenance is lower.  I joined Amazon as a seller and got rid of about 200 cds for a nice wad of cash (that idea was from the forums side gig thread), I rebalanced my portfolio and dropped a couple of managed funds in favor of index funds.  My credit rating has risen about 50 points or so (in the 800s now) and I have churned a few credit cards and travelled free or nearly so to Nicaragua, panama and Belize.  I spend more on fruit and vegetables, and less on red meat.  This and other minor lifestyle changes came straight from MMM or the forums.

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2015, 06:09:03 AM »
I'm 32, married, two very young kids at 3 and two months.  Found MMM in October:

Gas - 80% of my trips are now done via bike, up from 0%.  This has cut family gas bill from $180/month down to $100/month. 
Auto Insurance - 1900/year for my wife and I down to $760/year
Home insurance - $200 less / year for more coverage:)
Mortgage - Refinanced from 30-year at 4.75% to a 15 year at 3.125% (Thousands)
Snowblowing - used to pay for snowplowing service, now I do it myself ($400/year)
CC Churning - Will have two free tickets +hotel to cancun with no extra spending
Groceries + Dining out - down from about $1000 to $550 each month.
Cell phone - I just got the bill down $20/month from renegotiating, and I'm switching to Republic to cut it further. 
Investments - I had no Roth or 403B even set up before.  Now I'm maxing my Roth and we are putting about 18K/year into the 403B

Other fun influences:
- Time now.  I am a teacher and didn't take a summer job this year, realizing my time would be more valuable continuing to get my finances in order, spending tons of time with my kids, and working on side hustles.  This decision has given me far more time at home, and I've made 30K so far this year on the side hustle.  So, more money + more time.
-Time later.  I paid for 5 years towards retirement, and my wife is now doing the same.  We will get our full pension when we turn 48, that is, if we decide we need to work that long.  This is not the worst case scenario for how long we will have to work.   
- Paying it forward.  A teacher I work with is converted.  He doesn't read the site, but he knows that I does, and has asked me to be his "financial life coach".  He's implementing many of the changes above that I mentioned for myself.  And we are having a blast doing it. 

So, yeah, I'd say it was pretty valuable that I stumbled on this site through pure chance.   

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2015, 06:29:56 AM »
I'm 32, married, two very young kids at 3 and two months.  Found MMM in October:

Gas - 80% of my trips are now done via bike, up from 0%.  This has cut family gas bill from $180/month down to $100/month. 
Auto Insurance - 1900/year for my wife and I down to $760/year
Home insurance - $200 less / year for more coverage:)
Mortgage - Refinanced from 30-year at 4.75% to a 15 year at 3.125% (Thousands)
Snowblowing - used to pay for snowplowing service, now I do it myself ($400/year)
CC Churning - Will have two free tickets +hotel to cancun with no extra spending
Groceries + Dining out - down from about $1000 to $550 each month.
Cell phone - I just got the bill down $20/month from renegotiating, and I'm switching to Republic to cut it further. 
Investments - I had no Roth or 403B even set up before.  Now I'm maxing my Roth and we are putting about 18K/year into the 403B

Other fun influences:
- Time now.  I am a teacher and didn't take a summer job this year, realizing my time would be more valuable continuing to get my finances in order, spending tons of time with my kids, and working on side hustles.  This decision has given me far more time at home, and I've made 30K so far this year on the side hustle.  So, more money + more time.
-Time later.  I paid for 5 years towards retirement, and my wife is now doing the same.  We will get our full pension when we turn 48, that is, if we decide we need to work that long.  This is not the worst case scenario for how long we will have to work.   
- Paying it forward.  A teacher I work with is converted.  He doesn't read the site, but he knows that I does, and has asked me to be his "financial life coach".  He's implementing many of the changes above that I mentioned for myself.  And we are having a blast doing it. 

So, yeah, I'd say it was pretty valuable that I stumbled on this site through pure chance.

WOW Aceyou! This is very impressive. Seems like you were ready for this before you stumbled here. You are firing (FIREIng?) on all cylinders. The impact on your family is so huge. Have fun with your family this summer.

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
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WOW Aceyou! This is very impressive. Seems like you were ready for this before you stumbled here. You are firing (FIREIng?) on all cylinders. The impact on your family is so huge. Have fun with your family this summer.
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Thanks.  Yeah, I was sick of being a math teacher watching my engineering friends lapping me with salaries/bonuses/matching 401k contributions/stock options, etc.  I was getting jealous of their fancy cars and huge houses.  I was considering whether it's worth it to teach even though I love it. 

When I found MMM things started to click.  Instead of feeling stuck, I could leverage the things I have as a math teacher: time due to extended breaks + way above average math skills.  I'm using my extra time and engineering wired brain to cut expenses wherever possible, and to leverage my extra time with lucrative side hustles.  I believe this year our net worth will now grow far faster than the average engineer who is 10 years into their career.  And the desires I had to try and match their cars and houses have subsided.  I pity their vehicle choices, because all they see is shininess, and all I see are valuable years that they are going to be working.

Funny how quickly your circumstances can change if you get focused roll the sleeves up:)

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Re: Adding it up: How much has MMM saved you?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2015, 07:01:22 AM »
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Thanks.  Yeah, I was sick of being a math teacher watching my engineering friends lapping me with salaries/bonuses/matching 401k contributions/stock options, etc.  I was getting jealous of their fancy cars and huge houses.  I was considering whether it's worth it to teach even though I love it. 

When I found MMM things started to click.  Instead of feeling stuck, I could leverage the things I have as a math teacher: time due to extended breaks + way above average math skills.  I'm using my extra time and engineering wired brain to cut expenses wherever possible, and to leverage my extra time with lucrative side hustles.  I believe this year our net worth will now grow far faster than the average engineer who is 10 years into their career.  And the desires I had to try and match their cars and houses have subsided.  I pity their vehicle choices, because all they see is shininess, and all I see are valuable years that they are going to be working.

Funny how quickly your circumstances can change if you get focused roll the sleeves up:)

aceyou, don't feel jealous. I'm an engineer myself, made a career of IT and have had my employers go out from under me 3 times. Those times of unemployment happened very early in my frugal realizations and were disastrous - I have former co-workers who burned through their 401k funds just trying to get to the next job. (in hindsight, they should have moved, but whatever...)

My own mother was a career teacher (2nd grade). She had an awesome career and was the teacher everyone wanted their kids to have. Today, she's retired with a pension and good savings, very mustachian because of the culture we grew up in.

I had to leave home for my education and couldn't go back since there were no jobs for me at home. I "subscribed" to the fast paced urban lifestyle and paid the price, dearly. Although I've always been a "badass", doing my own home and car repairs whenever possible and riding bike whenever possible, even when I tried to save, I did it wrong and poorly and just didn't have the hang of making my earned dollars work for me.

This is a flaw many engineers share and is a truism I have come to accept. If you are good with finances, you should take some satisfaction in knowing you have achieved a kind of wisdom that escapes many, engineers included.

I became very discontented with "fast paced urban living" and by the time I reached 35, knew the "lifestyle" was only an illusion and does not give lasting contentment. I became upset that every day of my life seemed to require the expenditure of money. My DW was likewise fooled and thought social security would save us. When we started getting the printouts from the government and watched how the government kept dropping the eventual "benefit" on us, we realized we had to take control of the situation.

By the time I reached 50 (and experienced increasing "unemployability" in my field due to my age), I was fully engaged in MMM pursuits of frugality, investment and even more badassity than I used to practice.

Essentially, I had to come full circle back to what my mother, the teacher, was practicing in her life and what I saw with my own eyes.

Last month, my employer had yet another layoff. Stockholders are squeezing the company trying to wring every cent of profit out of it and they are whacking important, essential employees. I was not affected this time, but I have no doubt eventually my number will be up. I am practicing the principles of MMM as hard as I can go and DW (bless her heart) doesn't push back on me when I tell her we're gonna bank my paycheck this week. In the meantime, I'm trying to cook up "side hustles" as well, so if I am whacked, we won't lose our home.

Now, there's lots of "tsk tsk" and "woulda coulda shoulda" that a younger MMM devotee could rightfully ladle upon my head (and several here have tried, bless their poor, damaged psyches) but the fact is, all of us here are (or should be becoming), subversive to the status quo.  It's our job to enlist in the army of MMM and that's an even greater thing than how we earn our paycheck.

You are who and what you are, and right now you are where you are. Use what we know here to become the best that you can be and you will be no one's "farmer brown come to town...".

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