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Re: About the commute...
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2016, 01:44:16 PM »
So I get that the argument against a long commute isn't necessarily the difference in $, but the difference in time.
It's about both money and time.  Commuting costs money, but sometimes so does living closer to work, and where that balance is will be different for everyone.
However, an underlying theme of this forum is to spend your money on what you value.

If you enjoy your commute and have the money then there's nothing wrong with doing what you are doing. 
Or put another way - is there anything you'd rather spend your time doing?

only you can answer

It really is about personal choice (though an argument could be made that commuting affects more than just yourself). Personally, I hate driving and love walking so I took a pay cut to be able to walk to work.

An important consideration, however, is that it's harder than people think to quantify exactly how much a commute is costing you. I took a >10% pay decrease and came out way ahead financially, despite only having a "reasonable" 20 mile/20 minute commute. (I didn't move to make this happen either).

Everyone should spend their time and money how they see fit, but regular driving creates low level stress in many and often costs much more than people recognize.
interesting how much response popped back up.
Just this out there - I think one aspect of this is that the "average" commuter does not realize how much (s)he actually spends on commuting.  People can be surprisingly ignorant about what a 30mi commute in a leased SUV really costs, in part because the costs are broken up across so many reoccurring and relatively small payments (e.g. loan, fuel, maintenance).  In those cases I think it's worth it to point out exactly how much their commute is costing them and then ask "is this worth it to you?".  In contrast, Chris22 seems to know exactly what his commute costs, and has decided its a net benefit for his life, and so I support that; who am i to say that his informed conclusions are not valid?

LIfestyle improvement also factors in, but is harder to quantify.  That's what arguments like exercise, stress, and time come in.  Plus, there's often a barrier to overcome even getting most N. Americans to consider that life without a car is possible/desireable.  I constantly field questions from family members about how we could possibly survive with just one car (!), even though I live in a city with excellent public transportation.

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Re: About the commute...
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2016, 03:27:55 PM »
I am not telling you what you should do, I am just pointing out that there are solutions if one is willing to consider them.

Facepalm.  You're not hearing me.  I FULLY acknowledge it can be done.  It absolutely COULD be.  What I'm telling you is that all kinds of people on here see what they call a huge lifestyle GAIN, and I don't see it that way.  I don't get off on planning errands more or trying to organize schedules more or whatever.  I don't see that as making my life MORE free.  It sounds like a big pain in the dick, and more stress, and saves, in the grand scheme of things, not a ton of money.  I am not happier when it takes longer to get places or takes more coordination or requires more planning.  That is not freedom to me. 


On here, there are basically two arguments used for bike commuting: 1) saving money and 2) better lifestyle.  1 can be easily quantified, and in my financial situation, it does not change a material amount.  My second car, right now, costs me about $155/mo all in, between insurance and gas and maintenance (2x $40 tanks of gas, ~$50 insurance, $25 maintenance allocation).  That's a pretty small amount of money on my overall budget.  And for 2, I simply don't agree with the better lifestyle.  That's all I'm trying to say.  For other people, because they get stressed or love bike riding or whatever, it IS a lifestyle improvement, and for them that's great.  For ME, it A) doesn't cost a lot and B) doesn't make me happier.  End of story.

Amen! Like I said, you get to decide what works for you.

For me, I can't stand cooking and it stresses me out. It requires more preparation and I don't have time for that. So I just eat all my meals at restaurants. It only costs me a bit more per month so the savings of doing it all myself would not likely amount to anything. Cooking for yourself is fine, it's just not something I am interested in. Nothing wrong with that.


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Re: About the commute...
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2016, 05:44:03 PM »
I am not telling you what you should do, I am just pointing out that there are solutions if one is willing to consider them.

Facepalm.  You're not hearing me.  I FULLY acknowledge it can be done.  It absolutely COULD be.  What I'm telling you is that all kinds of people on here see what they call a huge lifestyle GAIN, and I don't see it that way.  I don't get off on planning errands more or trying to organize schedules more or whatever.  I don't see that as making my life MORE free.  It sounds like a big pain in the dick, and more stress, and saves, in the grand scheme of things, not a ton of money.  I am not happier when it takes longer to get places or takes more coordination or requires more planning.  That is not freedom to me. 


On here, there are basically two arguments used for bike commuting: 1) saving money and 2) better lifestyle.  1 can be easily quantified, and in my financial situation, it does not change a material amount.  My second car, right now, costs me about $155/mo all in, between insurance and gas and maintenance (2x $40 tanks of gas, ~$50 insurance, $25 maintenance allocation).  That's a pretty small amount of money on my overall budget.  And for 2, I simply don't agree with the better lifestyle.  That's all I'm trying to say.  For other people, because they get stressed or love bike riding or whatever, it IS a lifestyle improvement, and for them that's great.  For ME, it A) doesn't cost a lot and B) doesn't make me happier.  End of story.

Really is a personal choice.  Didn't I have this same conversation about chasing low cost credit cards?  To each their own and carry on!!

 

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