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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #750 on: January 04, 2024, 07:28:44 AM »
OMY is a serious issue!  There will always be good reasons to hang on a little longer.  My company even builds it into our compo package with bonuses and matches doled out throughout the year. 

Stay the course! 🤠
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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #751 on: January 04, 2024, 08:47:46 AM »
My pension multiplier maxes out in September 2025. So some time around then.

I am in line for a promotion, and that may make a difference, as well. I have a hard time leaving money on the table. ;)

I think you are joking about sticking around. 

However, don't fall for the "OMY syndrome" trap!  Too many do...and regret it.

I'm not joking. My pension uses "High Three" salary x multiplier x Years of Service. A promotion will help the High Three number. But probably not a lot, in terms of 22 months rather than 24 months at that higher number.

I will be done by the end of 2025, pretty much no matter what. I want my paid-out "vacation leave mondo overwithholding" refunded to me quickly, instead of waiting for 12-15 months.

My pension works the same way average high three.  I know I will be offered a promotion and more money to stay past 2025. The problem is the time it takes to fully marinate will not be worth the extra payout to me.  Just my 2 cents.

I stopped factoring in potential pension increases. Conservatively estimating a 5% return on $1M would equal $50k/year return....but...if I work one more year I can an extra $1k/year? Nah.....For me it's such an insignificant increase it's not worth thinking about.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #752 on: January 04, 2024, 04:49:17 PM »
My pension multiplier maxes out in September 2025. So some time around then.

I am in line for a promotion, and that may make a difference, as well. I have a hard time leaving money on the table. ;)

I think you are joking about sticking around. 

However, don't fall for the "OMY syndrome" trap!  Too many do...and regret it.

I'm not joking. My pension uses "High Three" salary x multiplier x Years of Service. A promotion will help the High Three number. But probably not a lot, in terms of 22 months rather than 24 months at that higher number.

I will be done by the end of 2025, pretty much no matter what. I want my paid-out "vacation leave mondo overwithholding" refunded to me quickly, instead of waiting for 12-15 months.

My pension works the same way average high three.  I know I will be offered a promotion and more money to stay past 2025. The problem is the time it takes to fully marinate will not be worth the extra payout to me.  Just my 2 cents.

I stopped factoring in potential pension increases. Conservatively estimating a 5% return on $1M would equal $50k/year return....but...if I work one more year I can an extra $1k/year? Nah.....For me it's such an insignificant increase it's not worth thinking about.

I'm not that bad at math.

And I'm not talking about one more year; I'm talking about 3-4 months, past Sept. 2025. The multiplier on my pension is turbo-charged; the difference between retiring today vs. retiring in 20 months is about $24k per year.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #753 on: January 07, 2024, 10:34:46 PM »
2025 just one year away! 🎉🎉🎉

Is it too early to set a specific date?

I don't think so :) My date is 12/31/2025. It has become a long shot if I can accumulate enough by then. Originally I was part of a couple, but divorced in 2018. However, I don't want to give up on the original date!


PS - @Sandi_k from what I can tell, your math is outstanding :)

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #754 on: January 08, 2024, 12:27:45 AM »
2025 just one year away! 🎉🎉🎉

Is it too early to set a specific date?

I don't think so :) My date is 12/31/2025. It has become a long shot if I can accumulate enough by then. Originally I was part of a couple, but divorced in 2018. However, I don't want to give up on the original date!


PS - @Sandi_k from what I can tell, your math is outstanding :)

I am rooting for you!

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #755 on: January 08, 2024, 09:35:49 AM »
2025 just one year away! 🎉🎉🎉

Is it too early to set a specific date?

I don't think so :) My date is 12/31/2025. It has become a long shot if I can accumulate enough by then. Originally I was part of a couple, but divorced in 2018. However, I don't want to give up on the original date!


Hoping you make it work!

I am counting on a positive market myself to do so.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #756 on: January 09, 2024, 09:16:37 AM »
I too am thinking about a date.  Optimistic estimate:  March 31 or June 30 (EOQ).  Pessimistic estimate:  OMY.  If I get into 3rd or 4th quarter I will likely plow through the rest of the year so I can FIRE into a lower tax bracket the following year & so I can collect end of year bonus.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #757 on: January 09, 2024, 10:08:48 AM »
I too am thinking about a date.  Optimistic estimate:  March 31 or June 30 (EOQ).  Pessimistic estimate:  OMY.  If I get into 3rd or 4th quarter I will likely plow through the rest of the year so I can FIRE into a lower tax bracket the following year & so I can collect end of year bonus.

That is a consideration! But every working day brings a small monetary bonus - some larger, some smaller! like - just regular pay, or bonus, pension, ect. I guess even social security is getting a bit plumper for each additional day of labor!

Depending on market performance between now and mid-ish 2025, I will need to evaluate how vital those little extras are for my overall plan.

In general, I think picking a date will help me focus and plan, so I am going to put some thought into that maybe over the next weekend. This is the first full week back at work since having a really long and lovely year end holiday break. Struggle to get back into the harness without a lot of negativity, lol!

On a hilarious note! this got me to thinking about what I am absolutely gaining on a per workday basis. 4% of my inputted daily contributions result in an additional $6.50 to my annual spend! Could I get a fancy coffee for that at starbucks? Not sure these days! But I will think throughout today on all the different ways I might spend that in my future retirement years :).
 

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #758 on: January 09, 2024, 10:17:17 AM »
That's a cool metric - I like that a lot. You can absolutely still get a frou-frou coffee drink for $6.50.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #759 on: January 09, 2024, 09:17:57 PM »
Late 2025 is my and Mr. Yogi's target retirement. He will wrap up 20 years in the military and start collecting his pension (barring any unforeseen circumstances.) He'll be 40 and I'll be 36. It's possible I will continue to work, but we will see.

We are both high earners and getting serious with our savings this year for the first time. We still have a lot of work to do on lowering our expenses, but most of our spending is discretionary and if we buckled down we could do much better. This year I started using YNAB so I have a good handle on where our money is going. We are not mustachian by nature so this is a journey and a process for us.

Long time no post, wake up call hit last month, we let spending balloon the last three years but still had some baseline savings automated (maxing tax advantaged accounts and a small additional amount). Mr Yogi will retire from the military in 2025, no questions there. We have $1 mil in our investment portfolio today and if we stick to budget ($175k spend, yes I know, I don't belong on this forum with that spend) we should be able to save ~$125k this year and next year (nearly double our current automated savings). Mr Yogi's pension will pay ~$50k/yr (taxes still a consideration), we're considering geoarbitrage as a cost cutting solution to retire us both in 2025.

Oh, our confounding variable: since my post in 2016 our family has doubled to four, we have a 6 and 3 year old. Geoarbitrage would include homeschooling them.

So I'm back, following, and working on this 2025 goal!

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #760 on: January 19, 2024, 10:32:45 AM »
I'm just over a year away from retirement (which out of choice will entail 8 hours a week in my job which I love) I'll be 49. The feeling is quite something! I can't quite believe my hubby and I have got ourselves to this position but it feels like about two decades of discipline is paying off and work feels different knowing I won't be doing it at this level for more decades. Excited!

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #761 on: January 20, 2024, 06:12:52 AM »
That’s brilliant jade, very well done. Excited for you!

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« Reply #762 on: January 22, 2024, 03:29:48 AM »
That’s brilliant jade, very well done. Excited for you!

Ooh.. nice to see you hear NGU! thank you so much.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #763 on: January 22, 2024, 03:30:30 AM »
@never give up are you aiming for 2025 too?

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #764 on: January 22, 2024, 03:42:03 AM »
Too early for me I'm afraid :-(

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #765 on: January 22, 2024, 08:51:04 AM »
Oh yes NGU.. I wondered as you were on this thread but remember your journal now.. guessing you're being your supportive self as usual. :)

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #766 on: January 22, 2024, 09:16:04 AM »
I've spoke of retiring by the end of 2024 but am likely waiting until 2025 now. I've never done any "count downs" or officially joined the 2024 group because I'm generally spontaneous with decisions in my life and never planned to RE even though I am in the financial position to do this now (I'm sure others in 2025 cohort could also).

So instead I've been gifting my son money. It's really rewarding because he's using the money to fund his Roth IRA and high interest savings account.

I also have enough AL to only work weekends (which i prefer anyway) until 2025 so I'll be working "part-time" for at least this year with full-time pay. Hopefully by the time I've had enough with working I can comfortably buy my son a small starter home.

So my new plan is to tentatively join the 2025 cohort BUT I could still retire this year OR maybe I'll work until 2026 and beyond? What a tough decision to have; life is good. :)


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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #767 on: January 23, 2024, 12:10:15 AM »
Sounds like a great place to be jimmyshutter!

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« Reply #768 on: January 25, 2024, 08:14:00 AM »
I too am thinking about a date.  Optimistic estimate:  March 31 or June 30 (EOQ).  Pessimistic estimate:  OMY.  If I get into 3rd or 4th quarter I will likely plow through the rest of the year so I can FIRE into a lower tax bracket the following year & so I can collect end of year bonus.

Because of the way bonuses are structured at my company, this will be my case as well.  2025 will be my last full year of work, and early 2026 will be my exit. 

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #769 on: January 25, 2024, 10:25:10 AM »
Yah chief, sign me up. Likely as FI rather than FIRE, with a few extra years to pad on after, but so much could change from now to then. Aged 27, 8.5x current expense saved, no house, 65% or so savings rate give or take. Single, readiness-to-mingle currently TBD

Well, there was my original post in 12/2016! In the intervening 9 months I've moved from 8.5x current expenses to 10.96x and upped my savings rate a few percentage points! I'm still an immature smartass though :).

My life is so far from where it'll be in 2025 that it's hard to say how i'm doing, but things are headed in the right direction. I could be in the 650k-900k range if things go roughly how they've gone so far. The high end of that is looking damn near the end of things for full-time worker bee me if I'm still single and childless at that time, or at least time to ask for a stupid amount of money not to go a-wanderin'.

Hope everyone else is on track, too.

Update, maybe I'll keep an annually running tab in this thread if people don't mind :).
stache as multiple of 3 year trailing current expenses
12/2016: 8.5x
09/2017: 10.96x
12/2017: 11.6x - would be higher but have had an expensive year

2018 EOY update:
2016: 8.5x
09/2017: 10.96x
2017: 11.6x
2018: 13.65x

I'm aiming for ~45x with these numbers for FIRE (health insurance, likely lifestyle changes etc.).

How is everyone else doing as we start 2019?

2019 EOY update:
2016: 8.5x
09/2017: 10.96x
2017: 11.6x
2018: 13.65x
2019: 16.99x (with a high expense year! trailing 3 years is more like 19.26x)

Getting there! Closing in on half a million with a minimum FI goal of 1 million and saving 100-115 a year right now means I might be as little as ~3 years out with just a little above average returns or some raises.
Like many, I'm fortunate to say that 2020 was good to my assets. I closed the year at 711k net worth. That's good for 28x my trailing three years of expenses. I'm pushing on to 1mm mostly to account for desired lifestyle changes (travel, big city living) + flexibility  (family) in retirement. But, that could be as soon as 1.4 years from now with 6.7% returns and 110-120 annual contributions. We'll see what mr market has to say, but decent chance I check out ahead of 2025 at this point. If I do see 7 figures with such high valuations I might turn to one of several "step towards FIRE" plans rather than leap outright. 2025 projects at 1.5mm if nothing changes and averages hold, so probably wouldn't hang around that long barring big lifestyle changes.
2021 closed at 957k. My original WAG FIRE number in 2016 was 900k, which is 1040k in 2021 dollars. I'm 32 and figuring out my long term desired spend & seeing how a new potentially long term romantic partnership plays out. So, still targeting 2025. Assuming average returns and regular contributions I would land at 1.7 million in today's dollars, 55k at 3.25% WR. I'm 100% stocks so absent a big market crash it's all about long term spend at this point, as I'm at 38x trailing 3 year average expenses.

How is everyone else?
2022 wraps at 928k. Wait, we're going the wrong way!
2022 EOY update of stache divided by expenses:
2016: 8.5x
2017: 11.6x
2018: 13.65x
2019: 16.99x
2020: 29.63x
2021: 42.25x
2022: 29.23x

Covid expenses mess with those numbers and I'm aiming for about 66x current numbers to reflect inflated RE expenses so we're still not close. At 930k and hoping for 2 million while saving 125k a year. So 2025 is looking like quite an optimistic goal right now! With average returns I might see 1.7 real by the end of that year. OMY beckons...

How is it looking for others?
2023 EOY net worth is 1253k

Multiple of trailing 3 year expenses. Which doesn't mean much as my RE expenses will be higher.
2016: 8.5x
2017: 11.6x
2018: 13.65x
2019: 16.99x
2020: 29.63x
2021: 42.25x
2022: 29.23x
2023: 37.69x

I'm aiming for about 66x current numbers to reflect inflated RE expenses so we're still not close. Hoping for 2 million while saving 130k a year. So 2025 is looking like quite an optimistic goal right now! We're at 3 years from today assuming average returns so might miss 2025 by a year.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #770 on: January 25, 2024, 11:21:11 AM »
That's... quite conservative. Have you run the math on what your proposed new lifestyle would cost - like getting a concrete estimate for rent in the big city, or doing a couple international trips and seeing what amount of travel spend you want in your dream FIRE life? Or is it just back-of-the-envelope estimates?

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« Reply #771 on: January 25, 2024, 11:41:42 AM »
That's... quite conservative. Have you run the math on what your proposed new lifestyle would cost - like getting a concrete estimate for rent in the big city, or doing a couple international trips and seeing what amount of travel spend you want in your dream FIRE life? Or is it just back-of-the-envelope estimates?
The big one is those numbers are just for me but the past few years have brought in player 2 and she's behind plus spends more! That's not (yet) a permanent thing. I'm unlikely to quit while she's working + our combined multiple is more reasonable. I'm also currently spending just 26-32k a year and I'm more comfortable closer to median household income. I'll also admit to house dreaming =)

I should add that to quote for next year's update =)

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #772 on: January 25, 2024, 12:11:55 PM »
so you're at like 15x the median HH income, 60% of the way to 25x, or halfway to 3.25% SWR?

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #773 on: January 25, 2024, 01:27:43 PM »
Greetings! Fellow 2025er. I found MMM in 2016 and got the face punch I was searching for. Fortunately, DW was on board once I shared the “shockingly simple math” post. We realized for the first time that we could actually do this (RE). Up to that point, basically everything I read said it was impossible. Once we made a plan, we set our sights on 2025 and haven’t looked back since. Like some of you, we anticipate higher expenses post retirement due to a combination of increased healthcare costs, additional travel, and inflation. Here’s how we have progressed thus far with current levels of spending in parentheses for comparison purposes.

T-8 years: 5.77x (7.21)
-7: 7.13 (8.92)
-6: 9.06 (11.33)
-5: 10.52 (13.14)

and project the following:

-4: 12.85 (16.07)
-3: 15.65 (19.56)
-2: 18.64 (23.3)
-1: 21.83 (27.29)
FIRE: 26x (32.5)

There is some room, but the biggest added expense is healthcare on ACA or whatever is available at that point. Cautiously optimistic that we can make it happen in 2025. As of now, right on track. I will be 46 and DW a few years older.

As of today, 15.15x (18.93). Still projecting 2025 FIRE, but unofficially hopeful it could be sooner.

Update as of 1/1/22: 20.2x (25.3)

Mathematically, DW and I are FI with current expenses (seems weird even saying that, as this is the first time I've seen it on paper). However, still both working to achieve fat fire by 2025.

As of 1/1/23: Bear market has us at 18.78x (23.48). However, high savings rate has us on track for mid-late 2025 retirement nonetheless. Time to buy more stocks on discount!

Update 8/25/23: Riding the recent wave, back up. All time high of 22.91x (28.64). Oh, so close!

As of 1/1/24: 25.72x (32.15), so technically though barely crossing the threshold of FI, as defined by the 4% rule. Planning to push through OMY for some breathing room (and also due to some newly anticipated increase in housing costs with relocation to a HCOL area).

The temptation to move to 2024 cohort is real!

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #774 on: January 25, 2024, 02:00:16 PM »
so you're at like 15x the median HH income, 60% of the way to 25x, or halfway to 3.25% SWR?
Yeah, that's probably a better way to frame it while the future gets figured out.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #775 on: January 25, 2024, 02:45:14 PM »
I just realized that my new 401K doesn't fully vest until 2026 :(.
There's no way I'm going to give up $25-50K of free tax-deferred money so I guess I am officially out of this cohort.

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« Reply #776 on: January 25, 2024, 02:55:32 PM »
I just realized that my new 401K doesn't fully vest until 2026 :(.
There's no way I'm going to give up $25-50K of free tax-deferred money so I guess I am officially out of this cohort.

Bummer. To push back a little, we always leave money on the table (sometimes quite substantial amounts) by not continuing to work OMY… Until 2027 or 2028. What is $25k in the scope of your overall stash? Is $25k worth an entire year of your time?

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #777 on: January 25, 2024, 03:31:09 PM »
I just realized that my new 401K doesn't fully vest until 2026 :(.
There's no way I'm going to give up $25-50K of free tax-deferred money so I guess I am officially out of this cohort.

Bummer. To push back a little, we always leave money on the table (sometimes quite substantial amounts) by not continuing to work OMY… Until 2027 or 2028. What is $25k in the scope of your overall stash? Is $25k worth an entire year of your time?

When you mentioned "we always leave money on the table" I initially assumed you meant we almost always die with unspent cash. I suppose that's also true, at least for those who are financially responsible.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #778 on: January 25, 2024, 04:01:32 PM »
I just realized that my new 401K doesn't fully vest until 2026 :(.
There's no way I'm going to give up $25-50K of free tax-deferred money so I guess I am officially out of this cohort.

Hopefully earlier in 2026 rather than later.  That's a sizeable enough amount of money and a short enough amount of time that I can see why it would be tempting to stay just a few more months.

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« Reply #779 on: January 25, 2024, 06:06:39 PM »
Timing is coming into view. Given the leave I plan to take this year, and what I will earn, the plan is to have 1/31/25 be my last day in the office, and then take about a month and a half of leave to finish things out. Very close to the “one year to go” mark.

And none too soon. Just learned of another friend who died, at what I consider the young age of 66. She had been retired for about 5 years, so she got to enjoy some time of freedom, until she was diagnosed with cancer. It is sobering. If there are things you want to do, and you can afford to do them, don’t put them off for a tomorrow that might never come. At least that is the conclusion that I draw.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #780 on: January 25, 2024, 07:22:36 PM »
I just realized that my new 401K doesn't fully vest until 2026 :(.
There's no way I'm going to give up $25-50K of free tax-deferred money so I guess I am officially out of this cohort.

Hopefully earlier in 2026 rather than later.  That's a sizeable enough amount of money and a short enough amount of time that I can see why it would be tempting to stay just a few more months.

could be 2/3 months.....or 18+ months....@afuera, how much time we talking about?

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« Reply #781 on: January 26, 2024, 09:23:18 AM »
It goes from 0% vested to 100% vested in September 2026.  It was not clear from the plan documents and honestly, I forgot to look into when I started the job so only just recently thought to call my 401K provider and check.  My company match is 10% plus a yearly variable bonus so its definitely a lot of money to leave on the table between 4 years of contributions and growth.

I also have a fairly big ARM mortgage that I need to refinance before 2027 so there is more than one factor pushing me to OMY.
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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #782 on: January 26, 2024, 10:35:15 AM »
It goes from 0% vested to 100% vested in September 2026.  It was not clear from the plan documents and honestly, I forgot to look into when I started the job so only just recently thought to call my 401K provider and check.  My company match is 10% plus a yearly variable bonus so its definitely a lot of money to leave on the table between 4 years of contributions and growth.

I also have a fairly big ARM mortgage that I need to refinance before 2027 so there is more than one factor pushing me to OMY.

That is a couple of thing to consider heavily, so makes sense. Good luck in the 2026 cohort!

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« Reply #783 on: February 09, 2024, 07:39:52 AM »

Oh, our confounding variable: since my post in 2016 our family has doubled to four, we have a 6 and 3 year old. Geoarbitrage would include homeschooling them.

So I'm back, following, and working on this 2025 goal!

I always thought this would be a wonderful way to raise children. I knew someone who was homeschooled on a sailboat.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #784 on: February 09, 2024, 07:45:25 AM »
I'm new to this group. We've been FI for quite a while. I've been happily unemployed, but I think my spouse is now ready to hang it up next year (I hope!). I think it might be a difficult transition. He doesn't really like the idea of not working, but I'd love to have him around more.

We still have a child at home for a couple more years and I've started thinking about moves we should make this year before we have to worry about things like ACA, FAFSA, etc.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #785 on: February 12, 2024, 10:19:09 PM »
Welcome Louise! My spouse quit working in 2022, and I am eager to join him next year. Feeling like it is very close and very far away at the same time right now. Like, I will likely quit in the summer or fall of 2025, so I’m still aware as I work on annual processes that I am not yet doing the thing for the final time.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #786 on: February 13, 2024, 12:40:28 AM »
Timing is coming into view. Given the leave I plan to take this year, and what I will earn, the plan is to have 1/31/25 be my last day in the office, and then take about a month and a half of leave to finish things out. Very close to the “one year to go” mark.

And none too soon. Just learned of another friend who died, at what I consider the young age of 66. She had been retired for about 5 years, so she got to enjoy some time of freedom, until she was diagnosed with cancer. It is sobering. If there are things you want to do, and you can afford to do them, don’t put them off for a tomorrow that might never come. At least that is the conclusion that I draw.

Good conclusion IMO. I too had a friend that died at 62 but fortunately had retired at 50 so had that time but yes, we don't know what's round the corner. I'm just over a year to go too frugalecon .. I'll still be working a few hours a week after that but the bulk of my work life will be done. It's exciting isn't it?!
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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #787 on: February 16, 2024, 09:33:25 AM »
We are still potentially on target for early to mid 2025.  We are already over $1.3m TNW, and about to go over $1.1m LNW.  I am keeping my side gig post FIRE, which if all goes according to plan will provide affordable health insurance.  I will have about 5 years left on the mortgage (2.5%), I am just going to cash flow that sucker during early FIRE.  I have an equal offsetting asset in my after-tax brokerage account, so I could pay the mortgage off in one fell swoop, but will likely just let it ride.  Trying to bulk up the cash accounts between now and the end of the year.  Will do a few home repairs & maintenance projects this year while we have the fire hose of income.  Daughter will have one year of college left, I will also cash flow that expense. 

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #788 on: February 21, 2024, 07:29:58 AM »
I finally set my retirement day.  My last day will be 5/31/2025.  Leaving in May so I can be all in with my kids at their high school graduation and getting ready for college.  My hubs will work for another 4 years (for insurance) and so we can Coast FI the rest of the way to our RE number.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #789 on: February 21, 2024, 08:50:56 AM »
A good date for me seems to be June 30, 2025.  Annual bonus earned, child support obligation ends, fill up the low tax rate buckets, and time to max out my 401k one more time.  I can then take the summer off with my partner who is a school teacher.

But a lot of variables - my twins start college next year and I plan to sell my house and move in with my partner.  Depending on how that goes, the June 30 date could change.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #790 on: February 21, 2024, 05:31:03 PM »
I will have about 5 years left on the mortgage (2.5%), I am just going to cash flow that sucker during early FIRE.  I have an equal offsetting asset in my after-tax brokerage account, so I could pay the mortgage off in one fell swoop, but will likely just let it ride. 

Good plan. A friend of mine is in a similar position with his mortgage and came to the same conclusion.  There's no reason to pay off a mortgage at 2.5% with interest rates where they are.

We graduated to the highest "race to" thread based on LNW in Q4 2023 and TNW (including our pensions) has us knocking on the door of "and beyond", but I still don't feel ready.  My original goal was to retire late Q3 2025 and I'd like to stick to the plan.  My hesitation is rooted in a lack of confidence - sometimes I feel like I've wrapped my head around managing our finances and other times it feels like I have no idea what the hell I'm doing.  I've learned a lot from hanging out here over the last couple years, but I'm not ready to pull the plug just yet.  I'm all over the place.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #791 on: February 21, 2024, 10:11:12 PM »
So....I just got word that my promotion has been approved by Classification. Woo-hoo! So now I need to figure out a reasonable "ask" for the salary bump. Which gives me 18 months at the new salary to affect my "high three years" for the pension calcs.

I think that means a retirement date somewhere in the realm of 9/30/2025, in order to get the full 18 months on the record. I'm not willing to work though Oct, Nov, and December - I want my two months of accrued vacation leave paid out in a lump sum, and then recaptured with our tax filing in Feb. 2026. So I don't want salary *and* vacation payout, as that will surely throw us into the 24% bracket for 2025. And I also selfishly want to have our anniversary, Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays with NO WORK RESIDUE for the first time since 1982.

I have never actually been fired or laid off, and I've been working (or will have been working) for 43 years. I'm done. And ending on a High Note!

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #792 on: February 22, 2024, 06:10:42 AM »
congrats! that's huge! hope you enjoy your new salary every day for the rest of your life :)

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #793 on: February 27, 2024, 09:09:54 PM »
How much detail has everyone gotten into with your specific financial planning?  We’re only a year or so out from pulling the plug, so it’s time to get serious about planning, right?  Anyone talked to a financial advisor about your plan?  Used a specialized software package to test your plan?  Just using an Excel spreadsheet?  Just using the Rule of Thumb 4% rule? 

I’d expect that all of us have at a minimum done the work of figuring our our spending needs for retirement.  What approach have you taken to come up with those numbers?  I’ve been tracking my spending for the past 5 years, pretty much to the dollar (ok to within a few hundred dollars annually) so I know what I’ve been spending and I am adding onto that some estimated healthcare costs and some more travel costs and just a basic bump in general spending over my recent years’.  I’m using that number for my spending (exclusive of one-time items) for my first 15 years of retirement. 

I’ve started using a package called New Retirement, which seems really powerful.  It calculates taxes, which I’ve been afraid might be a blind spot for my plan.  I can put in lots of one-time expenses very easily to account for cars, new roofs, new HVAC systems, big vacations, etc.  I’ve been modeling some bigger spending early years and then reduced spending for a few years and then a jump back up for higher late in life costs.  I think they call that the ‘smile’ spending model. 

Tools like cfireSim and FIRECalc have some ability to model these kinds of things but not to the same extent, of course.     


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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #795 on: February 27, 2024, 11:21:43 PM »
@TempusFugit - Yes, I've been using New Retirement for 5+ years. I update it every couple of years or so. What I really like about it is the ability to turn on and off one time events - like a house sale, or inheritance.

I've also signed up with PlanVision, so that I can use eMoney for modeling (the same tool used by Fidelity). PlanVision is $299 for the first year, and then $8 per month thereafter. They keep it cheap because you do ALL of your own data entry, and they force you to estimate retirement expenses. They then spit out an income and expense cashflow plan, which is useful. We're checking in again with them this next month, as we're getting close too, and I'd like some guidance on when DH should apply for his Social Security income.

I also have used a "flat" spreadsheet for ~ 10 years now. Each row is a year, and each column is an income source. Some sources have inflation adjustments, once they're "turned on."

Since each row is a year, I can make adjustments to income in the future, by adding income at the intersection of "my age in 2035" and "Sandi claims Social Security". And then future cells in that column have a 2% inflation adjustment.

It's really helpful - I have IRMAA-snapshot year at age 63 noted (to keep income under the IRMAA tier); I have claiming age of SocSec for DH and for me; I have notes of the year the mortgage is paid off; a big expense year when we do some house upgrades.

It may not be 100% accurate, but it gives me a path to plan for - and so far, it's astonishing at how well the plan has evidenced itself to align with reality. Thus far, at least.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #796 on: February 29, 2024, 08:14:11 AM »
If you are a Fidelity customer, Fidelity has a pretty versatile retirement planning tool online. 

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #797 on: February 29, 2024, 08:56:02 AM »
If you are a Fidelity customer, Fidelity has a pretty versatile retirement planning tool online.

The Fidelity tool is eMoney, which is the same software used by PlanVision. But with PlanVision, I can ask them to change various (behind the curtain) assumptions.

The Fidelity tool wasn't as "unlocked", so I prefer the PV version, and New Retirement.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #798 on: February 29, 2024, 09:47:33 AM »
Anyone thinking about working part time post 2025?

I always thought I would walk away and I do plan on being 4% on our core spending. BUT our travel spending has inflated alot as the kids have gotten older. I am thinking about working 2-3 days a week until I hit 3% and re-evaluate.

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Re: 2025 Fire Cohort
« Reply #799 on: February 29, 2024, 09:52:44 AM »
Anyone thinking about working part time post 2025?

I always thought I would walk away and I do plan on being 4% on our core spending. BUT our travel spending has inflated alot as the kids have gotten older. I am thinking about working 2-3 days a week until I hit 3% and re-evaluate.

In theory I can retire next year (a lean retirement but that suits us) but am planning to work two short days a week bc I enjoy my job and abit of extra padding will be helpful. How are you feeling about PT work?