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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #800 on: November 03, 2022, 12:39:03 PM »
2023 in less than 60 days!

Wahoo!!  Almost our year!

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #801 on: November 03, 2022, 03:14:41 PM »
Bringing to the top of the page....

@Watchmaker and @detrimental12 Are you both still on for Jan?


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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #802 on: November 03, 2022, 03:25:18 PM »
@RWTL, next time you do the list, I'm OMY 09/2024.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #803 on: November 03, 2022, 03:29:15 PM »
@RWTL, next time you do the list, I'm OMY 09/2024.

Updated!

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #804 on: November 03, 2022, 03:54:58 PM »

@Watchmaker and @detrimental12 Are you both still on for Jan?


At the moment, yes.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #805 on: November 03, 2022, 04:11:57 PM »
Shadesofgreen   expected end date of 3/31/2023

Thank you for the update on the list.
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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #806 on: November 03, 2022, 04:29:57 PM »

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #807 on: November 04, 2022, 07:46:26 AM »
I know a lot of you are solidly going to retire in 2023 no matter what mr. market says - and some of you (like me!) are baited breath on 2023 plans because of the uncertaintyon where the market is heeding.
Don't forget middle ground options - SWAMI if you like your current job a lot, downshifting to something you would like if you don't like your current job. Or negotiate working half time. Start a scavenging and Craigslist sales (or whatever) business at home. Etc. Lots of options between "working at a job that sucks" and "no outside income at all"

@RWTL - for your next list update, I declared my SWAMI status as of 10/1/22, 5LY from the 2027 cohort. I could walk away, but as I noted earlier - I like the job, it's 90% remote and I'm making significant positive change in the world.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #808 on: November 04, 2022, 02:31:06 PM »
I know a lot of you are solidly going to retire in 2023 no matter what mr. market says - and some of you (like me!) are baited breath on 2023 plans because of the uncertaintyon where the market is heeding.
Don't forget middle ground options - SWAMI if you like your current job a lot, downshifting to something you would like if you don't like your current job. Or negotiate working half time. Start a scavenging and Craigslist sales (or whatever) business at home. Etc. Lots of options between "working at a job that sucks" and "no outside income at all"

@RWTL - for your next list update, I declared my SWAMI status as of 10/1/22, 5LY from the 2027 cohort. I could walk away, but as I noted earlier - I like the job, it's 90% remote and I'm making significant positive change in the world.

All set!

I've been thinking about downshifting into part-time.  I have to pick the right moment to ask - and it is coming up in the next 30-60 days.  I would also have to ask for a new role since my role is one of the key execs in my company.  From my point of view, this is a no-brainer - they get someone with fantastic experience for half the cost....not sure how they will react.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #809 on: November 09, 2022, 05:08:55 PM »
Hi all, I'd like to join the 2023 cohort, set for 02/2023. I'm OMY-ing from the 2022 cohort.

As 2022 has progressed I've been watching my portfolio closely, and I've seen my stache value decline as I continue to add to it. This in itself caused me to delay my date, but I am now due a minor surgery using my (employer provided) medical insurance, and it seems prudent to see this through before pulling the plug. Consequently, I'd reluctantly like to join this cohort.

And as I'm 61, I'm relieving @PhrugalPhan from being the oldest member. Just call me 'dad'.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #810 on: November 10, 2022, 03:05:44 AM »
Hi all, I'd like to join the 2023 cohort, set for 02/2023. I'm OMY-ing from the 2022 cohort.

As 2022 has progressed I've been watching my portfolio closely, and I've seen my stache value decline as I continue to add to it. This in itself caused me to delay my date, but I am now due a minor surgery using my (employer provided) medical insurance, and it seems prudent to see this through before pulling the plug. Consequently, I'd reluctantly like to join this cohort.

And as I'm 61, I'm relieving @PhrugalPhan from being the oldest member. Just call me 'dad'.

Welcome aboard!  I added you to the list.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #811 on: November 11, 2022, 06:31:15 AM »
And as I'm 61, I'm relieving @PhrugalPhan from being the oldest member. Just call me 'dad'.

Hi Dad, I'm ...

There should be a dad joke here.

I know a lot of jokes about the FIRE movement, but most of them don't work.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #812 on: November 11, 2022, 10:36:33 AM »
And as I'm 61, I'm relieving @PhrugalPhan from being the oldest member. Just call me 'dad'.

Hi Dad, I'm ...

There should be a dad joke here.

I know a lot of jokes about the FIRE movement, but most of them don't work.

There's jokes about fire? I can't imagine what that would be?

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #813 on: November 12, 2022, 04:28:19 AM »
I qualified (hours worked) for my 2022 profit sharing bonus this week, which I felt one more significant step to my Feb 2023 FIRE.  The amount is very volatile but usually a very significant portion of my compensation (It may be enough to cover our spending from my last paycheck in March 23 thru the end of the year, which would be awful nice for planning).  Work has been very busy of late, but its been a lot easier to take it all in stride and with a good attitude knowing the end is near....

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #814 on: November 12, 2022, 04:43:58 AM »
Since DW and I are basically doing OMY through May of 2023 due to some golden handcuffs.....we're down to 14 remaining paychecks.

We're allocating what's left of each paycheck after monthly expenses towards something specific in the first 24 months of FIRE, which for us will be spent galivanting the globe. December will be used towards flights to the EU and accommodation in our first country, January will go towards the following few months of travel. I even have a paycheck earmarked for replacing some of our very dated electronics (smartphones, laptops, smart watch). This is giving me some motivation to slog through these last 28 weeks of work.....

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #815 on: November 13, 2022, 10:02:35 AM »
And as I'm 61, I'm relieving @PhrugalPhan from being the oldest member. Just call me 'dad'.

Hi Dad, I'm ...

There should be a dad joke here.

I know a lot of jokes about the FIRE movement, but most of them don't work.

There's jokes about fire? I can't imagine what that would be?

This is why I won't become a comedian after 2023...  :)  You see... "they don't work"... most people in the movement don't work

Maybe better said as "I know a lot of jokes about people who FIRE, but most of them don't work."? 

(insert the analogy between explaining a joke and dissecting a frog)

Fortunately that's the last joke I know :)

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #816 on: November 13, 2022, 11:49:47 AM »
And as I'm 61, I'm relieving @PhrugalPhan from being the oldest member. Just call me 'dad'.

Hi Dad, I'm ...

There should be a dad joke here.

I know a lot of jokes about the FIRE movement, but most of them don't work.

There's jokes about fire? I can't imagine what that would be?

This is why I won't become a comedian after 2023...  :)  You see... "they don't work"... most people in the movement don't work

Maybe better said as "I know a lot of jokes about people who FIRE, but most of them don't work."? 

(insert the analogy between explaining a joke and dissecting a frog)

Fortunately that's the last joke I know :)

LOL! Yes, adding the people into it makes it "work" :)

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #817 on: November 13, 2022, 06:46:22 PM »
And as I'm 61, I'm relieving @PhrugalPhan from being the oldest member. Just call me 'dad'.

Hi Dad, I'm ...

There should be a dad joke here.

I know a lot of jokes about the FIRE movement, but most of them don't work.

There's jokes about fire? I can't imagine what that would be?

This is why I won't become a comedian after 2023...  :)  You see... "they don't work"... most people in the movement don't work

Maybe better said as "I know a lot of jokes about people who FIRE, but most of them don't work."? 

(insert the analogy between explaining a joke and dissecting a frog)

Fortunately that's the last joke I know :)

LOL! Yes, adding the people into it makes it "work" :)

Due to metonymy, I don't think the people is necessary.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #818 on: November 16, 2022, 12:52:14 PM »
I'm working through many smaller things - IRA contribution, Roth conversion for 2022, dentist, medical checkups (e.g. colonoscopy, dermatologist, internist).  For 2023, I'll start a new 457 deduction that will max out in May.  I also signed up for legal and a flex spending account with the assumption that May will be my retirement.  Our rental until that we live in also expires in May so everything is aligned. 

For now, I just keep following the plan.
Sounds similar for me.  I was to the dentist this morning.  For 2023 I plan to work until the 457 is maxed for the year (I expect April) then I am done.  I am currently 31 calendar days until I am totally, no-way-can-you-stop-me-now, starting my full pension.  I am only working 10 of those days, it is feeling real. OMG!!!!!!!!

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #819 on: November 16, 2022, 01:00:28 PM »
Hi all, I'd like to join the 2023 cohort, set for 02/2023. I'm OMY-ing from the 2022 cohort.

As 2022 has progressed I've been watching my portfolio closely, and I've seen my stache value decline as I continue to add to it. This in itself caused me to delay my date, but I am now due a minor surgery using my (employer provided) medical insurance, and it seems prudent to see this through before pulling the plug. Consequently, I'd reluctantly like to join this cohort.

And as I'm 61, I'm relieving @PhrugalPhan from being the oldest member. Just call me 'dad'.
I go on a two week vacation and return to this.   Harumph.   Well you can have the "old man" hat.  :)   

Yeah, my portfolio has dropped a lot this year, but with a full pension starting in a month I am not going to wait any longer.  My health is still doing well, though the eyesight has been complaining due to my programming work, so I think the wait will have been worth it.
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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #820 on: November 16, 2022, 04:08:24 PM »
I'm working through many smaller things - IRA contribution, Roth conversion for 2022, dentist, medical checkups (e.g. colonoscopy, dermatologist, internist).  For 2023, I'll start a new 457 deduction that will max out in May.  I also signed up for legal and a flex spending account with the assumption that May will be my retirement.  Our rental until that we live in also expires in May so everything is aligned. 

For now, I just keep following the plan.
Sounds similar for me.  I was to the dentist this morning.  For 2023 I plan to work until the 457 is maxed for the year (I expect April) then I am done.  I am currently 31 calendar days until I am totally, no-way-can-you-stop-me-now, starting my full pension.  I am only working 10 of those days, it is feeling real. OMG!!!!!!!!

Wow!  This is awesome. 

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #821 on: November 18, 2022, 10:58:47 PM »
Hello! I hope to join this cohort, by 12/31/23.
It still feels like a long time away. I'll be 52 by that point.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #822 on: November 19, 2022, 05:34:58 AM »
Hello! I hope to join this cohort, by 12/31/23.
It still feels like a long time away. I'll be 52 by that point.

Added you to the list MamaMinou!

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #823 on: November 25, 2022, 05:48:18 PM »
I've been thinking a lot lately about giving my notice after the first of the year - still with a May end date for full-time.  I'm not sure if it will be a retirement discussion or a discussion around staying on as a 1099 contractor.  I think it would be fun to pick and chose the projects that I want to work on rather than being tied to an office chair for 8 hours a day.

I do need some time off to decompress.  I've been feeling really burned out lately, but I'm not ready to completely stop my career altogether.

Is anyone else feeling this as well, or are you ready to cut and run?

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #824 on: November 26, 2022, 02:36:13 PM »
Quite a break thru lately as my 2-28-23 FIRE date approaches.  I just checked my email and sure enough there were urgent requests Thanksgiving eve, etc as usual, the unusual being I didnt respond to them, I'm guessing everyone lived....  Had a great holiday with family.  My sister (who knows of my plans) brought up my impending retirement and my spouse actually said that "its about time, work really gets in the way".....quite a comment from her given her nervousness for years as I talked about early retirement (I'm 50). 

What a great week, 3 months to go, but Jan/Feb are supposed to be ramping down/fading away....

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #825 on: November 26, 2022, 08:32:19 PM »
I've been thinking a lot lately about giving my notice after the first of the year - still with a May end date for full-time.  I'm not sure if it will be a retirement discussion or a discussion around staying on as a 1099 contractor.  I think it would be fun to pick and chose the projects that I want to work on rather than being tied to an office chair for 8 hours a day.

I do need some time off to decompress.  I've been feeling really burned out lately, but I'm not ready to completely stop my career altogether.

Is anyone else feeling this as well, or are you ready to cut and run?

Yes, I have a side gig I will keep going as long as I can that keeps me plugged into my profession. I may try to expand it a bit more too.

If I could take a 6 month sabbatical, I might be raring to go back full time. But right now, I just don't know. But this isn't a dayjob that could wait for me. and I know that.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #826 on: November 27, 2022, 03:09:02 AM »
I've been thinking a lot lately about giving my notice after the first of the year - still with a May end date for full-time.  I'm not sure if it will be a retirement discussion or a discussion around staying on as a 1099 contractor.  I think it would be fun to pick and chose the projects that I want to work on rather than being tied to an office chair for 8 hours a day.

I do need some time off to decompress.  I've been feeling really burned out lately, but I'm not ready to completely stop my career altogether.

Is anyone else feeling this as well, or are you ready to cut and run?

Yes, I have a side gig I will keep going as long as I can that keeps me plugged into my profession. I may try to expand it a bit more too.

If I could take a 6 month sabbatical, I might be raring to go back full time. But right now, I just don't know. But this isn't a dayjob that could wait for me. and I know that.

This sounds similar to me.   I would love to take 6-12 months off, but my job would have to be filled.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #827 on: November 27, 2022, 11:46:51 AM »
@RWTL Dammit, gotta move me out of the 2023 cohort and at least into at least 7/2024. Just hoping for a normal 6-7% return in the markets in 2023. Getting a promotion/raise next month, so hopefully this accelerates RE, even if only by a few months.

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« Reply #828 on: November 27, 2022, 12:57:32 PM »
@RWTL Dammit, gotta move me out of the 2023 cohort and at least into at least 7/2024. Just hoping for a normal 6-7% return in the markets in 2023. Getting a promotion/raise next month, so hopefully this accelerates RE, even if only by a few months.

sorry to see you go, and hope you end up popping back after 40% returns in 2023 :) ;P

It's amazing how little new money moves the dial, as it were. I almost feel like investing in the last few years is rather besides the point - as I've seen swings over the past couple of years where I can lose 3-4x my yearly contributions in a day or so, and sometimes gain that amount too.

But I keep pushing to max out the 401k, at least the tax break works to my advantage. And hopefully that money is taxed at a lower rate on the way out...

For my final year of work, was hoping I could max out 401k by end of may - but now I'm so unsure that 2023 is going to be it, I'm just going to leave it to max by end of year as I have last few years with steady contributions. Guess I may see you in the 2024 cohort after all....

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #829 on: November 27, 2022, 01:33:21 PM »
@RWTL Dammit, gotta move me out of the 2023 cohort and at least into at least 7/2024. Just hoping for a normal 6-7% return in the markets in 2023. Getting a promotion/raise next month, so hopefully this accelerates RE, even if only by a few months.

Ok.  I put you down in the OMY section. 

@RWTL Dammit, gotta move me out of the 2023 cohort and at least into at least 7/2024. Just hoping for a normal 6-7% return in the markets in 2023. Getting a promotion/raise next month, so hopefully this accelerates RE, even if only by a few months.

sorry to see you go, and hope you end up popping back after 40% returns in 2023 :) ;P



Really looking forward to that 40% return.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #830 on: November 27, 2022, 02:11:19 PM »
@RWTL Dammit, gotta move me out of the 2023 cohort and at least into at least 7/2024. Just hoping for a normal 6-7% return in the markets in 2023. Getting a promotion/raise next month, so hopefully this accelerates RE, even if only by a few months.

Ok.  I put you down in the OMY section. 

@RWTL Dammit, gotta move me out of the 2023 cohort and at least into at least 7/2024. Just hoping for a normal 6-7% return in the markets in 2023. Getting a promotion/raise next month, so hopefully this accelerates RE, even if only by a few months.

sorry to see you go, and hope you end up popping back after 40% returns in 2023 :) ;P



Really looking forward to that 40% return.

It will happen eventually. Someday!

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #831 on: December 01, 2022, 02:00:15 PM »
How are things looking for the class of 2023? T-30 days

I am really ready at this point.  I have the date planned in Jan that I am going to talk with my boss about my transition plan.  I'm hoping to negotiate a severance package. 

My boss (MB) is a really good person.  He's funny, smart, and willing to go to bat for you if needed.  He really appreciates the work that I am doing - and tells me constantly how much he appreciates me and my division.  Guy who thinks he's my boss (GHTHMB) is constantly asking me to do more with less resources because it will benefit him.  He's a senior exec who puts me on the spot in meetings and is always calling me to a new meeting to explain what I am doing.  MB tells me not to worry about the constant pressure and nit picking.  GHTHMB told me recently that he needed to "put more pressure on me" to perform and setup a date for me to report out on my division on the same day that I'm going to start the negotiation with my boss. 

My division is literally carrying the organization financially and MB tells me that frequently.  We're outperforming budget on all measures - revenue, expense, and net income.  We've had a lot of turnover lately because GHTHMB has put a hiring freeze in place across the organization....which includes my division that is making money.  It's frustrating people so much that leaders in my division have started to look elsewhere.   GHTHMB, who never has had a team or worked in operations, thinks we can solve this by implementing exit interviews and letting people know the reasons why it is a great place to work.  All the while, people are asked to do more with less people because no positions are being approved.

I'm really ready to give my notice, but I need to stick it out a few more months.  I have some fixed costs that will drop off in May.

How's everyone else?

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #832 on: December 01, 2022, 02:14:37 PM »
How's everyone else?

I've recently been waffling back and forth a bit about whether I want out asap, or whether I might want to stick around for a few more months to pad the margins a bit more. I'm badly burnt-out though, and I can really see that my performance has dropped significantly, so I think it's time to go.

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« Reply #833 on: December 01, 2022, 06:53:14 PM »
How are things looking for the class of 2023? T-30 days

I am really ready at this point.  I have the date planned in Jan that I am going to talk with my boss about my transition plan.  I'm hoping to negotiate a severance package. 

My boss (MB) is a really good person.  He's funny, smart, and willing to go to bat for you if needed.  He really appreciates the work that I am doing - and tells me constantly how much he appreciates me and my division.  Guy who thinks he's my boss (GHTHMB) is constantly asking me to do more with less resources because it will benefit him.  He's a senior exec who puts me on the spot in meetings and is always calling me to a new meeting to explain what I am doing.  MB tells me not to worry about the constant pressure and nit picking.  GHTHMB told me recently that he needed to "put more pressure on me" to perform and setup a date for me to report out on my division on the same day that I'm going to start the negotiation with my boss. 

My division is literally carrying the organization financially and MB tells me that frequently.  We're outperforming budget on all measures - revenue, expense, and net income.  We've had a lot of turnover lately because GHTHMB has put a hiring freeze in place across the organization....which includes my division that is making money.  It's frustrating people so much that leaders in my division have started to look elsewhere.   GHTHMB, who never has had a team or worked in operations, thinks we can solve this by implementing exit interviews and letting people know the reasons why it is a great place to work.  All the while, people are asked to do more with less people because no positions are being approved.

I'm really ready to give my notice, but I need to stick it out a few more months.  I have some fixed costs that will drop off in May.

How's everyone else?

GHTHMB sounds like a walnut. Hope you escape him soon!

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #834 on: December 01, 2022, 07:43:26 PM »
Just did a count.  42 night shifts and 40 day shifts left to go!

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #835 on: December 02, 2022, 02:06:03 AM »
Long story short, I'm not going to be fully firing in May - perhaps the end of the year, maybe a couple more years.

Short story long, I've kinda already accidentally FIRE'd, or downshifted enough that the current balance feels "right".

I was told in November last year that my work no longer needed me (bit of a bummer, because I was still short of my FIRE number). Turned out this wasn't quite right, and after a bit of frantic back-tracking on their part and use of FU money on mine, I now work for the same employer as a consultant on an hourly basis (at a rate I couldn't have dreamt of). So this year I've been working somewhere around 1 to 1.5 days a week. It's not a set day, but generally a few hours here and there through the week. I honestly thought I was beyond ready to stop work, but I've realised it was the grind of full time employment that I hated.

I've had a terribly self-indulgent year, spending more time at the gym, miniature painting and taking up a new hobby restoring old military vehicles at our local museum. Combined with being on school run duties and taking on all the household chores (Mrs Locksmith is still working 3 days a week), I've got plenty to do, although I have also caught up on books, tv series and video games that I didn't have time for before, oh, and napping (I realised by the summer just how burnt out I was at the end of last year).

I feel like I've hit a zen balance, the work doesn't feel like much of an imposition with so much of the week "free", and the only time I've dipped into cash reserves this year was for our family summer holiday. The rest has been covered by the very part time working. All the best to the rest of you aiming for full or part-FIRE in 2023 - I'll be cheering from the sidelines!

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #836 on: December 02, 2022, 03:36:51 AM »
Long story short, I'm not going to be fully firing in May - perhaps the end of the year, maybe a couple more years.

Short story long, I've kinda already accidentally FIRE'd, or downshifted enough that the current balance feels "right".

I was told in November last year that my work no longer needed me (bit of a bummer, because I was still short of my FIRE number). Turned out this wasn't quite right, and after a bit of frantic back-tracking on their part and use of FU money on mine, I now work for the same employer as a consultant on an hourly basis (at a rate I couldn't have dreamt of). So this year I've been working somewhere around 1 to 1.5 days a week. It's not a set day, but generally a few hours here and there through the week. I honestly thought I was beyond ready to stop work, but I've realised it was the grind of full time employment that I hated.

I've had a terribly self-indulgent year, spending more time at the gym, miniature painting and taking up a new hobby restoring old military vehicles at our local museum. Combined with being on school run duties and taking on all the household chores (Mrs Locksmith is still working 3 days a week), I've got plenty to do, although I have also caught up on books, tv series and video games that I didn't have time for before, oh, and napping (I realised by the summer just how burnt out I was at the end of last year).

I feel like I've hit a zen balance, the work doesn't feel like much of an imposition with so much of the week "free", and the only time I've dipped into cash reserves this year was for our family summer holiday. The rest has been covered by the very part time working. All the best to the rest of you aiming for full or part-FIRE in 2023 - I'll be cheering from the sidelines!

Zen balance is always good!  Should I put you down as SWAMI on our list?

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #837 on: December 02, 2022, 03:44:34 AM »
Sure, let's go for that! Thanks.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #838 on: December 02, 2022, 05:53:36 AM »

I feel like I've hit a zen balance, the work doesn't feel like much of an imposition with so much of the week "free", and the only time I've dipped into cash reserves this year was for our family summer holiday. The rest has been covered by the very part time working. All the best to the rest of you aiming for full or part-FIRE in 2023 - I'll be cheering from the sidelines!

Congrats! that sounds wonderful :)

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #839 on: December 02, 2022, 09:59:06 AM »
Long story short, I'm not going to be fully firing in May - perhaps the end of the year, maybe a couple more years.

Short story long, I've kinda already accidentally FIRE'd, or downshifted enough that the current balance feels "right".

I was told in November last year that my work no longer needed me (bit of a bummer, because I was still short of my FIRE number). Turned out this wasn't quite right, and after a bit of frantic back-tracking on their part and use of FU money on mine, I now work for the same employer as a consultant on an hourly basis (at a rate I couldn't have dreamt of). So this year I've been working somewhere around 1 to 1.5 days a week. It's not a set day, but generally a few hours here and there through the week. I honestly thought I was beyond ready to stop work, but I've realised it was the grind of full time employment that I hated.

I've had a terribly self-indulgent year, spending more time at the gym, miniature painting and taking up a new hobby restoring old military vehicles at our local museum. Combined with being on school run duties and taking on all the household chores (Mrs Locksmith is still working 3 days a week), I've got plenty to do, although I have also caught up on books, tv series and video games that I didn't have time for before, oh, and napping (I realised by the summer just how burnt out I was at the end of last year).

I feel like I've hit a zen balance, the work doesn't feel like much of an imposition with so much of the week "free", and the only time I've dipped into cash reserves this year was for our family summer holiday. The rest has been covered by the very part time working. All the best to the rest of you aiming for full or part-FIRE in 2023 - I'll be cheering from the sidelines!

That is awesome! congrats!

Sounds wonderful. I do have a profession that I love/loved - wish I could get back to that kind of feeling. Productive, engaged, energized.


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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #840 on: December 02, 2022, 10:32:56 AM »
For my part, the outlook continues very cloudy. Positives and negatives towards a 2023 FIRE keep rolling in.

I am continuing on my preFire punchlist, with some satisfaction that although I don't know how long the path is.....I am at least on the last leg of it. 1 -2 -3 MY notwithstanding, there aren't a lot of big decisions/job changes/etc to negotiate. No matter what I may decide to do about anything - I am nearing the finish line! :) A few serious US or global issues could derail that - but those are on the scale of would derail anyone at anypont in their FIRE so not something that can be fit into my equations until they actual happen or at least start to unfold.

On the positive side, I have enough in my current employers 401k to make it to 59.5 on my Fatfire budget, Yay!! I always needed this to be in place for FIRE as I have limited funds outside of retirement accounts (I am beefing those up now, but won't have an appreciable amount by May 23). Caveates are that it covers expenses with no growth or decimation, and it is in mostly stocks, so - could go either way. I would hope for some nominal growth with this pot and try to  make it last longer if I could. While the market has bounced back off its lows the past month or so, the unfortunate side of this account reaching this point is the subtraction of months to fund rather than growth.

On the negative, I scrutinized the plan documents and there are no provistions for withdrawls using the rule of 55, doesn't mean it doesn't exist but the possibility that I may have to lump sum it to avoid penalties exists. I have toyed with emailing the benefits rep about this, but am hesitant to draw attention to myself as someone who may be considering retirement in the next year or so.

The money I can access at 59.5 is not in good enough shape for the long haul. When I originally signed up for the 2023 was modeling the usual and expected average growth to make the FIRE number and obviously - that did not pan out in the markets!! I am not at 4% right now, nor very much near it (combining everything, including the current 401k used to get to 59.5). I am ok with FIRE at or near 4% of investable assets as eventually social security will come into play and I can claim it whenever after 62. Would try to put off for higher monthly benefit if that makes sense depending on market at the time. Also eventually the mortgage would be paid off, so depending on where the market seems by my May date for FIRE - and other economic things such as inflation, I may just take the plunge anyway if it is at 5%. Any higher, will need to assess a few things.

Today - I am filing retirement at my stated day of May 31, 2023 as unlikely - but still possible.

Worst cases to be in!! So being grateful for where I'm at, regardless of when I actually FIRE.

I am continuing to try to shape my job to be less intense, less stress, fewer hours, and will continue those efforts JIC I will be here for a while :)

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #841 on: December 02, 2022, 11:38:37 AM »
Ok, so this cohort updating got me to take a closer look and crunch some numbers.

So as it stands, a relatively FatFire would currently be a 7.5% WR. Not that crazy, and better than I was expecting to be honest. I was worried I was really out of the ballpark, and while in the nether regions of the outfield, I am not only in the ballpark, but edging onto the playing field ;P.

At a modest but pretty ok fire, I am at 6%, and at a super lean, likely unsustainable for the long haul in terrms of feelings of deprivation, but eating and paying bills, I am at 4.5%.

These numbers do not include any sustained increases in my annual spend from recent inflationary pressures (which I will do that accounting as part of my EOY activities), nor does it account for replacing employer provided health insurance. But at least it isn't a #DIV/0! situation....

« Last Edit: December 02, 2022, 11:42:04 AM by mistymoney »

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #842 on: December 02, 2022, 11:43:30 AM »
How are things looking for the class of 2023? T-30 days

I am really ready at this point.  I have the date planned in Jan that I am going to talk with my boss about my transition plan.  I'm hoping to negotiate a severance package. 

How's everyone else?

I have already had a partial talk with my direct boss and still plan for end of March. I will be formally notifying in Feb so if needed I can train someone giving them a few weeks to post the position. If they don't, it's not my problem to worry about. I figure if I got in a accident or something worse they would have to go through the same deal.

Really interested to see a few places and do some slow travel so I can find the right place for me.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #843 on: December 04, 2022, 07:26:02 AM »
How are things looking for the class of 2023? T-30 days

I am really ready at this point.  I have the date planned in Jan that I am going to talk with my boss about my transition plan.  I'm hoping to negotiate a severance package. 

How's everyone else?

I have already had a partial talk with my direct boss and still plan for end of March. I will be formally notifying in Feb so if needed I can train someone giving them a few weeks to post the position. If they don't, it's not my problem to worry about. I figure if I got in a accident or something worse they would have to go through the same deal.

Really interested to see a few places and do some slow travel so I can find the right place for me.

Somehow, I missed this the first time.  I added you to the list.  Do you want to state your age?

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #844 on: December 04, 2022, 07:28:24 AM »
How's everyone else?

I've recently been waffling back and forth a bit about whether I want out asap, or whether I might want to stick around for a few more months to pad the margins a bit more. I'm badly burnt-out though, and I can really see that my performance has dropped significantly, so I think it's time to go.

Let us know as we get closer.  You are first of the list!   

I hear you on the performance piece.  I'm really struggling with engagement right now.  I have vacation time coming up soon, so I'm hoping to get my head straight when I come back.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #845 on: December 04, 2022, 07:51:37 AM »
How are things looking for the class of 2023? T-30 days

...snip....

How's everyone else?

Crazy to think we're less than a month away from our class beginning its walk....

Discovering MMM 10 years ago, joining and posting here for the past 8, it's been a wild ride and we're definitely FIREing into some interesting times.

DW and I are doing this a bit unconventionally by today's MMM forum standards. We're using a mix of lifestyle design and geographical arbitrage to FIRE in our mid 30's on a budget that would likely make most people based in MCOL/HCOL areas of the USA squeamish. Alas, we had a taste of freedom from work from end of 2019 until end of 2020 and realized that life is way too short to put off retirement (even FIRE) till you feel 100% sure your plan will succeed (because there are no guarantees in life). In the past few years since returning to work, we've had friends our age or younger get diagnosed with chronic illness, including cancer, lost loved ones, watched places we've planned to spend time in get destroyed in a senseless war, and watched our portfolio evaporate between a terrible market and high inflation.

I like @mistymoney's way of looking at those three FIRE levels as a thought exercise.

If we fatFIRE'd (2X our current spend) today we would require a 6.7% WR, but I can't imagine wanting to spend that much money at this point in life.

A comfortable and sustainable long term lazyFIRE would require a 4.5% WR at present portfolio values.

The option we're going with for now, which is a comfortable but creative leanFIRE which will involve spending time slow traveling for a couple of years puts us at a 3.6% WR and is where our actual spending currently falls.

Being mid 30's, we can always go back to some sort of employment to fatten the budget in the future, but most likely will not need to.

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #846 on: December 04, 2022, 08:20:14 AM »
This time last year I took a short sabbatical of 5 months
On returning to work I started a new project which enabled me to reduce my hours to 25.5 a week
This has given me a better work life balance.
In the months that I have been part time I have been able to support family carers to have a holiday, complete house renovations, volunteer to read with children in school, look after a family member and become part of a local historical renovation project.
I have my plans in place for what I am retiring to, my pension will cover my expenses, alongside savings which I can leave to grow for future needs.
A 10 day cruise in April will ease me down to retirement which is less than 6 months away
174 days to go           

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #847 on: December 04, 2022, 10:50:22 AM »
How's everyone else?

I've recently been waffling back and forth a bit about whether I want out asap, or whether I might want to stick around for a few more months to pad the margins a bit more. I'm badly burnt-out though, and I can really see that my performance has dropped significantly, so I think it's time to go.

Let us know as we get closer.  You are first of the list!   

I hear you on the performance piece.  I'm really struggling with engagement right now.  I have vacation time coming up soon, so I'm hoping to get my head straight when I come back.

I've also been struggling with a performance issues this year. On one hand, I feel some guilt, on the other I get fearful if I am fired before FIRE is looking ok. But nothing gets me to where I used to be performance wise.

I've decided to embrace it just a bit. Call it right-sizing my effort from my previously stellar performance. One caveate is that years and years of extremely stellar performance went to other companies, so this one did not benefit. But I think I'll have to take a socialist perspective there and at least I bring my decades of experience to the current position, and they are just going to have to pay for it. Maybe I'd get some severance finally have to figure out fire/coast fire? Since I seem to be waffling a lot about my Fire date.

Then again - Given about 100% turnover in senior positions, I may not get caught, rotfl! And maybe if this is new normal for me/job, I get some mojo back over time?

But I am at a burnout that a month off - while it would be great! - isn't going to fix much I'm afraid. I have frazzled my shizzle and now it is only a fizzle....

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« Reply #848 on: December 05, 2022, 10:31:22 AM »
How are things looking for the class of 2023? T-30 days

I am really ready at this point.  I have the date planned in Jan that I am going to talk with my boss about my transition plan.  I'm hoping to negotiate a severance package. 

How's everyone else?

I have already had a partial talk with my direct boss and still plan for end of March. I will be formally notifying in Feb so if needed I can train someone giving them a few weeks to post the position. If they don't, it's not my problem to worry about. I figure if I got in a accident or something worse they would have to go through the same deal.

Really interested to see a few places and do some slow travel so I can find the right place for me.

Somehow, I missed this the first time.  I added you to the list.  Do you want to state your age?

age of 46

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Re: 2023 FIRE cohort
« Reply #849 on: December 07, 2022, 10:18:38 AM »
How's everyone else?

I've recently been waffling back and forth a bit about whether I want out asap, or whether I might want to stick around for a few more months to pad the margins a bit more. I'm badly burnt-out though, and I can really see that my performance has dropped significantly, so I think it's time to go.

Let us know as we get closer.  You are first of the list!   

I hear you on the performance piece.  I'm really struggling with engagement right now.  I have vacation time coming up soon, so I'm hoping to get my head straight when I come back.

My little wobble is over. I am more likely to retire early (as in, the next three weeks) than I am to work beyond January.