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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #600 on: October 12, 2017, 07:26:14 AM »
I am convinced that one secret of FIRE not easily conferred on the novitiate is just how hard the last year of working is. As late as June (13 months to my RE date), I thought this last year would be my victory lap. I imagined that I would be finishing tasks and able to say "that's the last time I will have to do budgeting or midpoint Evals or whatever. I think I neglected just how little difference there is between 263 days left to FIRE and 261 days left to FIRE and how much crap can fit into that small amount of time.

First  world 1% problem, but so little information out there that prepared me for this year of suck.. (Exception of course is Dr. Doom's amazing blog - so sad it is ended).

I think I am partly depressed, bored, scared, dreaming, trudging - mostly trudging along to the end. Sorry to be such a downer, but I am really tired of renting this space in my head to work. Work is no longer a good tenant. Work is noisy and no longer pays enough rent. I am increasingly a crappy landlord. Sorry - rant. Hope others are feeling better. My best to you all, aperture.

I'm right there with you, Ap.  Less than three months until the appointed date, and it still feels like it's never going to end.  I'm sure part of it is somewhat irrational worry over things like health care and stock market valuations.  In some ways I still feel like some disaster is going to happen and I'm not going to be able to quit after all.

This is why I ended up pulling the plug early. I went part time in May and hoped to do that for at least a year. Then I thought, if I can just make it until Sept and get my 401K company contribution, then that will be great. I hit the proverbial wall in July and just had to get out. My last day was July 25. I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but for me it got worse and worse as the days went by, even after I turned in notice. There were a fair amount of posts about this in the 2017 thread, this one was my favorite:

I'm looking forward to the sadness and nostalgia and feeling all the feels of this life milestone.  It just means we're complicated humans who are alive.  Right now I'm treasuring the security of the paycheck while it lasts and the richness of the anticipation I'm feeling.


I tried very hard to treasure the "richness of the anticipation"...not sure I was successful, but it was a nice goal to have in my head. Good luck!
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« Reply #601 on: October 12, 2017, 07:37:45 AM »
I am convinced that one secret of FIRE not easily conferred on the novitiate is just how hard the last year of working is. As late as June (13 months to my RE date), I thought this last year would be my victory lap. I imagined that I would be finishing tasks and able to say "that's the last time I will have to do budgeting or midpoint Evals or whatever. I think I neglected just how little difference there is between 263 days left to FIRE and 261 days left to FIRE and how much crap can fit into that small amount of time.

First  world 1% problem, but so little information out there that prepared me for this year of suck.. (Exception of course is Dr. Doom's amazing blog - so sad it is ended).

I think I am partly depressed, bored, scared, dreaming, trudging - mostly trudging along to the end. Sorry to be such a downer, but I am really tired of renting this space in my head to work. Work is no longer a good tenant. Work is noisy and no longer pays enough rent. I am increasingly a crappy landlord. Sorry - rant. Hope others are feeling better. My best to you all, aperture.

I agree that there isn't much discussion about the last year or few months before FIRE.  It is really difficult and I am struggling to get through it.  For me, I have started having some problems sleeping and maintaining energy through the day.  To make matters worse, everything at work really gets under my skin because I feel trapped.  The paycheck is no longer enough to keep me satisfied, but I stay for the health insurance.

I am trying to focus more on doing activities that bring me joy, but then I end up staying out late with friends, and end up at work grumpy the next day.  Right now, I have less than 40 early mornings left.

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« Reply #602 on: October 12, 2017, 10:29:42 AM »
I am convinced that one secret of FIRE not easily conferred on the novitiate is just how hard the last year of working is. As late as June (13 months to my RE date), I thought this last year would be my victory lap. I imagined that I would be finishing tasks and able to say "that's the last time I will have to do budgeting or midpoint Evals or whatever. I think I neglected just how little difference there is between 263 days left to FIRE and 261 days left to FIRE and how much crap can fit into that small amount of time.

First  world 1% problem, but so little information out there that prepared me for this year of suck.. (Exception of course is Dr. Doom's amazing blog - so sad it is ended).

I think I am partly depressed, bored, scared, dreaming, trudging - mostly trudging along to the end. Sorry to be such a downer, but I am really tired of renting this space in my head to work. Work is no longer a good tenant. Work is noisy and no longer pays enough rent. I am increasingly a crappy landlord. Sorry - rant. Hope others are feeling better. My best to you all, aperture.

I agree that there isn't much discussion about the last year or few months before FIRE.  It is really difficult and I am struggling to get through it.  For me, I have started having some problems sleeping and maintaining energy through the day.  To make matters worse, everything at work really gets under my skin because I feel trapped.  The paycheck is no longer enough to keep me satisfied, but I stay for the health insurance.

I am trying to focus more on doing activities that bring me joy, but then I end up staying out late with friends, and end up at work grumpy the next day.  Right now, I have less than 40 early mornings left.

Yeah, I couldn't do the last year and moved my date up about 6 months from March of 2018 to Aug 2017.... but now that I quit life is pretty awesome :)

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« Reply #603 on: October 12, 2017, 11:08:08 AM »
I agree that there isn't much discussion about the last year or few months before FIRE.  It is really difficult and I am struggling to get through it.  For me, I have started having some problems sleeping and maintaining energy through the day.  To make matters worse, everything at work really gets under my skin because I feel trapped.  The paycheck is no longer enough to keep me satisfied, but I stay for the health insurance.

Exactly how I feel.

I am so glad that I a member of this forum and especially this thread. I know what others are going thru and do not feel crazy...

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« Reply #604 on: October 12, 2017, 11:19:09 AM »
Patches I'm with you except slowly burning leave over this last year so I'm down to a 4 day work week until FIRE.  It's helped, slightly.  At least my clown car commute is only 4 days a week now.

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« Reply #605 on: October 12, 2017, 12:32:59 PM »
I'm in death march mode. Just trying to make it through w/out getting fired before I am ready for FIRE. I keep daydreaming about being laid off in March 2018. Well that would reduce my 401K contributions since I will be doing 50% of each paycheck to 401K to squirrel away as much as I can, the severance package would cover a large portion of planned annual expenses(and make prepping house for sale easier).
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« Reply #606 on: October 12, 2017, 01:53:16 PM »
Patches I'm with you except slowly burning leave over this last year so I'm down to a 4 day work week until FIRE.  It's helped, slightly.  At least my clown car commute is only 4 days a week now.

I've been doing the same thing since May.  32-hour workweeks are so much more tolerable.  I have an enjoyable 20 minute walk to work so the commute isn't an issue for me, but having an extra day off each week made a huge difference.  I actually feel rested by the time Sunday rolls around.

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« Reply #607 on: October 12, 2017, 02:50:47 PM »
Good to see that I'm not the only one feeling miserable at work...  I think I would go crazy if it wasn't for this forum.

At this point I have zero patience for corporate politics and other crap.  Thank goodness I can pretty much ignore most of it and just do the bare minimum required to comply (not talking about actual work, just the corporate nonsense).



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« Reply #608 on: October 12, 2017, 03:32:23 PM »
I suspect that much of this grumbling about the pain of hanging on is mostly due to everyone hitting their target numbers 6-12 months early because of the recent market run.

Like I'm pretty sure that if the market was down 13% YTD instead of up 13% YTD, we would all be mentally preparing to stick it out for another year and convincing ourselves it's really not so bad.

As it is, anyone who joined this thread over a year ago with a specific number in mind is probably already past that number, or at least very close to it.  I know I've been watching our net worth grow by more than our annual base expenses every month or so, and struggling to justify sitting through another performance review, holiday party, unrealistic project deadline, etc.

But I'm trying to keep my chin up and my head in the game.  There is still work to do, and people who count on me.  Maybe the market will take back that which it has given, or maybe I'll have extra dollars to donate to charity.  I'm trying not to let my growing investment balance negatively impact my attitude.

Stay strong, classmates.  Don't jump early without a contingency plan.

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« Reply #609 on: October 12, 2017, 04:03:13 PM »
I suspect that much of this grumbling about the pain of hanging on is mostly due to everyone hitting their target numbers 6-12 months early because of the recent market run.

Like I'm pretty sure that if the market was down 13% YTD instead of up 13% YTD, we would all be mentally preparing to stick it out for another year and convincing ourselves it's really not so bad.

...

Part of my problem, is this last year is really a OMY. Life not money requires us to stick out until the spring. So if we were down 20% YTD, we would actually still be set for spring 2018. We have built in quite a few safety nets. I prefer to start our travels in the spring and sell the house in the spring (and I have a housemate that needed sufficient time to find a new place to live) soo..Spring 2018 it is. I always figured that having an extra 20% for a bad retirement start was a requirement. But watching my portfolio earn more than my gross income doesn't help the work motivation...

Worse yet, my coworkers (including those above me) are all periodically reminding me that I am the one with job security because my skill set is so unique here. I am trying to teach them and leave them written instructions on how to do the things I do but I already have one gal threatening to start a petition to cancel my vacation time every time I go on vacation. I am secretly starting a psychological campaign where I try to convince them I am not that vital but they keep giving me dirty looks when I suggest that. My husband is afraid he will need chain cutters to get me out of here once they realize I intend to skip town...What's sad is I derive almost no satisfaction from being "needed", I just want to go play without running the gauntlet of emotional blackmail.

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #610 on: October 12, 2017, 04:23:41 PM »
I suspect that much of this grumbling about the pain of hanging on is mostly due to everyone hitting their target numbers 6-12 months early because of the recent market run.

Like I'm pretty sure that if the market was down 13% YTD instead of up 13% YTD, we would all be mentally preparing to stick it out for another year and convincing ourselves it's really not so bad.

Stay strong, classmates.  Don't jump early without a contingency plan.

Sol, you are 100% correct in assessing why I feel this way.  I'm currently in the OMY and real estate/stocks have blown me past my number.  My safety net continues to gather strength... yet regardless of how strong it gets the worst case scenario remains the same: if everything blows up I get another job. And that job will feel necessary and result in feelings of joy and a sense of accomplishing something.  Thus, I'm at the moment living my worst case scenario (working) without the added "benefit" of feeling like I need to. 

Currently, the perceived futility of my efforts outweigh the joy I require of my toil.




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« Reply #611 on: October 12, 2017, 04:45:27 PM »
Some really great insights today.  They really capture what a lot of us are feeling.  Until last year , Retirement was something off in the nebulous future.  Then I got an inheritance and the stock market  took off.  This summer I ran some numbers and found out I could retire anytime I wanted.  Financially I am ready but it hasn't sunk in mentally yet.  So I started doing some research. I found this site and some other FIRE sites and started going through the  pre-retirement checklists.  Even though I could retire now, it will take me about 9 months to clean up everything so I will feel fully comfortable letting go. Meanwhile, some aspects of work are getting harder and harder to put up with, While other things that used to bother me , I no longer mind. 



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« Reply #612 on: October 12, 2017, 09:30:07 PM »
Financially I am ready but it hasn't sunk in mentally yet.  So I started doing some research. Even though I could retire now, it will take me about 9 months to clean up everything so I will feel fully comfortable letting go. Meanwhile, some aspects of work are getting harder and harder to put up with.

That's completely me.

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« Reply #613 on: October 13, 2017, 07:36:55 AM »
I suspect that much of this grumbling about the pain of hanging on is mostly due to everyone hitting their target numbers 6-12 months early because of the recent market run.

Like I'm pretty sure that if the market was down 13% YTD instead of up 13% YTD, we would all be mentally preparing to stick it out for another year and convincing ourselves it's really not so bad.

Stay strong, classmates.  Don't jump early without a contingency plan.

Yes! 2018 would be OLY for me (there will have to be a revolution in my line of work for me to stick it out beyond March 2019), the earliest financially realistic date at which I could retire is June 2018, and I've got myself convinced that I mostly quite like my job. But it wouldn't take a very big financial windfall to remind me of all the reasons why I want to get out of this business.

I'm trying to cushion the blow by recruiting someone who can take over some of my work, allowing me to reduce my hours, and be trained up so that I'll scarcely be missed (for a lot of what I do now could be done by someone with less expensive qualifications). I made the suggestion without mentioning retirement, and my colleagues nixed it. Yet when I hand in my notice I expect they'll say, "Why didn't you say something sooner?"



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« Reply #614 on: October 13, 2017, 08:39:54 AM »
I suspect that much of this grumbling about the pain of hanging on is mostly due to everyone hitting their target numbers 6-12 months early because of the recent market run.

Like I'm pretty sure that if the market was down 13% YTD instead of up 13% YTD, we would all be mentally preparing to stick it out for another year and convincing ourselves it's really not so bad.

Stay strong, classmates.  Don't jump early without a contingency plan.

Sol, you are 100% correct in assessing why I feel this way.  I'm currently in the OMY and real estate/stocks have blown me past my number.  My safety net continues to gather strength... yet regardless of how strong it gets the worst case scenario remains the same: if everything blows up I get another job. And that job will feel necessary and result in feelings of joy and a sense of accomplishing something.  Thus, I'm at the moment living my worst case scenario (working) without the added "benefit" of feeling like I need to. 

Currently, the perceived futility of my efforts outweigh the joy I require of my toil.




I am in a similar situation.  I was considering FIREing this year and decided to stick around until March 2018 primarily to ensure that my daughter has properly "launched" after graduating in June 2017.  My target number was $1M in investable assets.  Well, the daughter found a good job and moved out within a couple of months of graduation.  And my stache is now approaching $1.4M.  So no wonder I'm restless at work :-)



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« Reply #615 on: October 13, 2017, 08:43:54 AM »
I suspect that much of this grumbling about the pain of hanging on is mostly due to everyone hitting their target numbers 6-12 months early because of the recent market run.

Yes.  We're all a bunch of cowards trying to rationalize our decision to continue working as something--anything--other than OMY syndrome, plain and simple.  Until now, cognitive dissonance has prevented me from fully and freely admitting to myself that I have already achieved financial independence.  I still plan to stick it out until my predetermined date (because I am still a coward), but I will at least try to be honest with myself about my cowardice and our status as a self-declared financially independent household.

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« Reply #616 on: October 13, 2017, 10:06:49 AM »

Part of my problem, is this last year is really a OMY. Life not money requires us to stick out until the spring.

This a where I am at too.  I am stuck because I need to get some work done on the house before we rent it out, but I don't have time to get the renovations done because I am at work.  I need to keep working to pay for the renovations and health insurance.  It's almost a self perpetuating problem!

I am really glad to know that I am not the only one that is dragging ass every morning to work and that we are mostly struggling with the same issues.

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« Reply #617 on: October 13, 2017, 11:27:10 AM »
We're all a bunch of cowards trying to rationalize our decision to continue working as something--anything--other than OMY syndrome,

Maybe we should just change the thread title to "50 people who suddenly have OMY syndrome."

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« Reply #618 on: October 13, 2017, 11:37:53 AM »
Maybe we should just change the thread title to "50 people who suddenly have OMY syndrome."

Sol's mention of 50 people got me curious to check the numbers for each year so far:
2015 - 19
2016 - 29
2017 - 53 (47 confirmed, 6 pending)
2018 - 68 (all pending)

It goes up every year. (Rough count and all that)
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« Reply #619 on: October 13, 2017, 01:05:11 PM »
I suspect that much of this grumbling about the pain of hanging on is mostly due to everyone hitting their target numbers 6-12 months early because of the recent market run.

Yes.  We're all a bunch of cowards trying to rationalize our decision to continue working as something--anything--other than OMY syndrome, plain and simple.  Until now, cognitive dissonance has prevented me from fully and freely admitting to myself that I have already achieved financial independence.  I still plan to stick it out until my predetermined date (because I am still a coward), but I will at least try to be honest with myself about my cowardice and our status as a self-declared financially independent household.
LOL.  Pure greed here.  2 months of work gain something like an extra $100 per month for life, plus medical.  Seems worth it.  I gave notice to employer last week of my expected Jan date, so they can back fill my position.  Tough to let a great job go.
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« Reply #620 on: October 13, 2017, 04:20:00 PM »
I suspect that much of this grumbling about the pain of hanging on is mostly due to everyone hitting their target numbers 6-12 months early because of the recent market run.

Yes.  We're all a bunch of cowards trying to rationalize our decision to continue working as something--anything--other than OMY syndrome, plain and simple.  Until now, cognitive dissonance has prevented me from fully and freely admitting to myself that I have already achieved financial independence.  I still plan to stick it out until my predetermined date (because I am still a coward), but I will at least try to be honest with myself about my cowardice and our status as a self-declared financially independent household.
LOL.  Pure greed here.  2 months of work gain something like an extra $100 per month for life, plus medical.  Seems worth it.  I gave notice to employer last week of my expected Jan date, so they can back fill my position.  Tough to let a great job go.

Sounds like you're saving $15,000 a month, or $180,000 a year.

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« Reply #621 on: October 15, 2017, 03:24:11 AM »
We're all a bunch of cowards trying to rationalize our decision to continue working as something--anything--other than OMY syndrome,

Maybe we should just change the thread title to "50 people who suddenly have OMY syndrome."

I'm OLY - moved here from the 2019 thread.

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« Reply #622 on: October 15, 2017, 05:24:31 AM »
I suspect that much of this grumbling about the pain of hanging on is mostly due to everyone hitting their target numbers 6-12 months early because of the recent market run.

For me, this last year is about the golden handcuffs. Next June I hit the magic retirement equation threshold and my employer will kick in some added Medicare benefits that start at age 65 (of unknown value) and I will be able to take my pension pay out as a lump sum.

Mostly, I do not look at the our account totals because it can make me crazy whether it goes up or down. If stocks are going up like crazy, I can feel like I missed the boat with my bond allocation. If they are flat or go down, I worry that I am getting out just as the market is about to fall off a cliff (why I have  a bond allocation).  Either way, I can talk myself into not sleeping, so I only look at the accounts 2 times a year. 

So glad for all the responses talking about how much work really bites in the last year.  I feel far less whiny knowing that my pain is shared by such illustrious company.  Presently, I am hanging in there until Thanksgiving week when I am taking the whole week off.  Then it is just 4 weeks of work until Christmas (another week off). I like the idea of taking one day a week off.  I am going to make that my plan for 2018.  I will do the math once I am back at my cubicle with my spreadsheets.

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« Reply #623 on: October 15, 2017, 09:22:57 AM »
The debate of June 2018 or March 2019 rages on as the dates approach.   Stay tuned...
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« Reply #624 on: October 15, 2017, 02:28:15 PM »
We're all a bunch of cowards trying to rationalize our decision to continue working as something--anything--other than OMY syndrome,

Maybe we should just change the thread title to "50 people who suddenly have OMY syndrome."

I'm coming down the home stretch in my O-and-a-half MY.  I reached minimal FI in mid 2016, but decided to stick around at least until after the election, just for a little more padding, and also just in case something crazy happened that would impact the Affordable Care Act (ahem).  Then it became "I'll hang on until I see what comes after the ACA." (double ahem).  When it became apparent that we weren't going to find out quickly, I told myself that if the ACA still exists in any functional form at all, I'm bailing at the beginning of 2018. 

At this point I've built up a fairly comfortable buffer beyond my current spending level, but if I suddenly had to pay 20 or 25 grand a year for health insurance, I would no longer be FI.  I won't deny that when the most recent ACA shenanigans unfolded last week, I thought about pushing my date out yet again.  But instead, I think I'm going to set up a LLC, call myself a consultant, and do just enough so that everyone in my professional network doesn't forget about me.  Then, if I suddenly have to pay full price for health insurance, hopefully I can ramp that up into a PT gig that generates 10 or 15k a year.
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« Reply #625 on: October 16, 2017, 04:58:47 AM »
We're all a bunch of cowards trying to rationalize our decision to continue working as something--anything--other than OMY syndrome,

Maybe we should just change the thread title to "50 people who suddenly have OMY syndrome."

I'm coming down the home stretch in my O-and-a-half MY.  I reached minimal FI in mid 2016, but decided to stick around at least until after the election, just for a little more padding, and also just in case something crazy happened that would impact the Affordable Care Act (ahem).  Then it became "I'll hang on until I see what comes after the ACA." (double ahem).  When it became apparent that we weren't going to find out quickly, I told myself that if the ACA still exists in any functional form at all, I'm bailing at the beginning of 2018. 

At this point I've built up a fairly comfortable buffer beyond my current spending level, but if I suddenly had to pay 20 or 25 grand a year for health insurance, I would no longer be FI.  I won't deny that when the most recent ACA shenanigans unfolded last week, I thought about pushing my date out yet again.  But instead, I think I'm going to set up a LLC, call myself a consultant, and do just enough so that everyone in my professional network doesn't forget about me.  Then, if I suddenly have to pay full price for health insurance, hopefully I can ramp that up into a PT gig that generates 10 or 15k a year.

That sounds like a sensible plan.

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« Reply #626 on: October 16, 2017, 05:48:53 AM »
I'm actually in the same boat as chasesfish.  My internal debate right now is either 12/1/18 (with may last working day being Oct 3 because of leave usage) or 4/1/19 (with my last working day being Feb 6 because of leave usage).  Yes this year has been a bumper year for my stash, but staying those first 3 mos of 2019 lets me add $18k more to the stash tax deferred, then I'd be out.  My thought is I'll wait until next summer to make the final decision, see how I feel and how things are going.

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« Reply #627 on: October 16, 2017, 07:39:19 PM »
Thinking very very strongly about pullin' the plug next year.  Heck - I'll even be at the right age where people won't question it, i.e. 62.  Maybe in July or maybe wait until the end of the year.  Does one go with more free time or go with more toys?  Been very frugal for the past 30 years or so.  I think I've paid my dues.

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« Reply #628 on: October 16, 2017, 07:51:58 PM »
Welcome Pecunia.

Go for it, Give us your date and we'll add you to the list.

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« Reply #629 on: October 19, 2017, 08:37:47 AM »
FIRE date: Oct 5 2018

Can't believe I'm here!

Stumbled across MMM in 2013 after a brutal layoff from a company I thought I would be at until I retired. I was completely devastated. At that point I vowed I would NEVER leave my future in the hands of others. Fortunately I have always been a frugal lad, so following the Mustachian path was more about smart investing than anything else. It sure didn't hurt that the next job I got paid 25% more. Started maxing out the 401(k) and IRA contributions, moved the cash I was sitting on into index funds and went for >50% total savings rate. According to Vanguard my investment income for the last year was equal to after tax income.
Booyah!!!

According to FireCalc right now I am at 95% chance of success (including SS starting in 2023) which is really making it tough to work since I cannot stand my current position. I am sticking it out because part of my plan is to add some rental properties to the mix which will be a lot easier while I have W2 income.

I picked October 5 because I scored a Grand Canyon rafting permit with a launch date of October 10 2018 so that makes a nice hard stop. A month on that trip and probably a month or two of rock climbing in Greece after that. And then spend some time in Spain attempting to learn flamenco guitar.

Got my fingers crossed that the health care situation doesn't implode. Stocks could take a dump, but I am hoping rentals will help smooth market volatility. Worst case is to sell or rent the house and move to a lower cost of living area. I am in the Seattle area, housing prices are through the roof so I have a s**t ton of equity to take advantage of.

No I take that back, worst case is going back to work;-)

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #630 on: October 19, 2017, 09:38:04 AM »
Welcome JumboShrimp

01/05/18  Gimesalot
01/06/18  Monkey Uncle
01/??/18  FIBy30
01/??/18  MomCPA
01/??/18  NorGirl
01/??/18  PizzaSteve
01/??/18  PrePube
01/??/18  Zinethstache
02/01/18  DTaggart
02/28/18  brooklynguy
03/16/18  Cherry Lane
03/30/18  sol
03/31/18  Caoineag (at 36)
03/31/18  homestead neohio
03/31/18  ZiziPB (at 50)
03/31/18  DavidAnnArbor (at 52) (Won't renew my office lease)
03/??/18  Badblackgirl
03/??/18  Clean Shaven
03/??/18  JLTinVA
03/??/18  Sofa King
03/??/18  MiserlyMiser
04/20/18  NinetyFour
04/??/18  Aegishjalmur (At 35)
04/??/18  Calvin
04/??/18  FernFree
04/??/18  Gooki
04/??/18  LateStarter
~04/??/18 HappyMargo
~04/??/18 Mother Fussbudget
05/01/18  SwordGuy (at 60)
05/08/18  SwordGuy DW (SwordGuy isn't saying.   He wants to live.)
05/??/18  Alim Nassor
05/04/18  wordnerd and DH (at 30 and 36)
05/15/18  Markbike528CBX (at 53.5)
~06/01/18 Honeyfill  (at 60)
06/15/18  DavisGang90 (at 49)
06/29/18  aperture
06/29/18  CowboyAndIndian (at 59)
06/??/18  Albireo13
06/??/18  Cheddar Stacker
06/??/18  dbtx
06/??/18  Omalley
06/??/18  poppydog
06/??/18  randomgiraffe
06/??/18  SwissMiss
~06/??/18 Pylortes
07/??/18  AussieGirl
07/??/18  ChasesFish
07/??/18  Mr Griz
~07/??/18 BackAndForth
~07/??/18 cerat0n1a
~07/??/18 Freshwater
~07/??/18 SnidelyWhiplashStache
08/??/18  Mr Mark
08/??/18  NorCalistache
10/05/18  JumboShrimp
10/??/18  Fire1018
10/??/18  Happy
10/??/18  Irishtache
10/??/18  patches
11/??/18  DeSteeg
11/??/18  Kris
12/01/18  Vegasgirl (at 49)
12/??/18  EnjoyIt
12/??/18  yoda34
??/??/18  Blindsquirrel
??/??/18  Michread
??/??/18  Minnesota_mom
??/??/18  OzBeach -- WIGLO (When I Get Laid Off)
??/??/18  thriftycanadian

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Re: The countdown begins!
« Reply #631 on: October 19, 2017, 10:29:48 AM »

I picked October 5 because I scored a Grand Canyon rafting permit with a launch date of October 10 2018 so that makes a nice hard stop. A month on that trip and probably a month or two of rock climbing in Greece after that. And then spend some time in Spain attempting to learn flamenco guitar.


What an amazing start to FIRE!

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #632 on: October 19, 2017, 06:28:23 PM »
Seems like a good list to be on.  Yah - a very good list.

01/05/18  Gimesalot
01/06/18  Monkey Uncle
01/??/18  FIBy30
01/??/18  MomCPA
01/??/18  NorGirl
01/??/18  PizzaSteve
01/??/18  PrePube
01/??/18  Zinethstache
02/01/18  DTaggart
02/28/18  brooklynguy
03/16/18  Cherry Lane
03/30/18  sol
03/31/18  Caoineag (at 36)
03/31/18  homestead neohio
03/31/18  ZiziPB (at 50)
03/31/18  DavidAnnArbor (at 52) (Won't renew my office lease)
03/??/18  Badblackgirl
03/??/18  Clean Shaven
03/??/18  JLTinVA
03/??/18  Sofa King
03/??/18  MiserlyMiser
04/20/18  NinetyFour
04/??/18  Aegishjalmur (At 35)
04/??/18  Calvin
04/??/18  FernFree
04/??/18  Gooki
04/??/18  LateStarter
~04/??/18 HappyMargo
~04/??/18 Mother Fussbudget
05/01/18  SwordGuy (at 60)
05/08/18  SwordGuy DW (SwordGuy isn't saying.   He wants to live.)
05/??/18  Alim Nassor
05/04/18  wordnerd and DH (at 30 and 36)
05/15/18  Markbike528CBX (at 53.5)
~06/01/18 Honeyfill  (at 60)
06/15/18  DavisGang90 (at 49)
06/29/18  aperture
06/29/18  CowboyAndIndian (at 59)
06/??/18  Albireo13
06/??/18  Cheddar Stacker
06/??/18  dbtx
06/??/18  Omalley
06/??/18  poppydog
06/??/18  randomgiraffe
06/??/18  SwissMiss
~06/??/18 Pylortes
07/??/18  AussieGirl
07/??/18  ChasesFish
07/??/18  Mr Griz
~07/??/18 BackAndForth
~07/??/18 cerat0n1a
~07/??/18 Freshwater
~07/??/18 SnidelyWhiplashStache
08/??/18  Mr Mark
08/??/18  NorCalistache
10/05/18  JumboShrimp
10/??/18  Fire1018
10/??/18  Happy
10/??/18  Irishtache
10/??/18  patches
11/??/18  DeSteeg
11/??/18  Kris
12/01/18  Vegasgirl (at 49)
12/??/18  EnjoyIt
12/??/18  yoda34
??/??/18  Blindsquirrel
??/??/18  Michread
??/??/18  Minnesota_mom
??/??/18  OzBeach -- WIGLO (When I Get Laid Off)
??/??/18  thriftycanadian
??/??/18  pecunia

Just got to get me through the next 8 months and 18 days and I should be at the guarantee point.

When you think about it doesn't it just send a euphoric sense of peace all over you?  I've always felt like I was a human ping pong ball in the workplace.  Now I'll be able to take a long hike on a nature trail and just feel a sense of one-ness with everything around me.  And,.....I'll be able to do it in the middle of the week, no less, because I won't be working.

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #633 on: October 20, 2017, 08:09:32 AM »

01/05/18  Gimesalot
01/06/18  Monkey Uncle
01/??/18  FIBy30
01/??/18  MomCPA
01/??/18  NorGirl
01/15/18  PizzaSteve
01/??/18  PrePube
01/??/18  Zinethstache
02/01/18  DTaggart
02/28/18  brooklynguy
03/16/18  Cherry Lane
03/30/18  sol
03/31/18  Caoineag (at 36)
03/31/18  homestead neohio
03/31/18  ZiziPB (at 50)
03/31/18  DavidAnnArbor (at 52) (Won't renew my office lease)
03/??/18  Badblackgirl
03/??/18  Clean Shaven
03/??/18  JLTinVA
03/??/18  Sofa King
03/??/18  MiserlyMiser
04/20/18  NinetyFour
04/??/18  Aegishjalmur (At 35)
04/??/18  Calvin
04/??/18  FernFree
04/??/18  Gooki
04/??/18  LateStarter
~04/??/18 HappyMargo
~04/??/18 Mother Fussbudget
05/01/18  SwordGuy (at 60)
05/08/18  SwordGuy DW (SwordGuy isn't saying.   He wants to live.)
05/??/18  Alim Nassor
05/04/18  wordnerd and DH (at 30 and 36)
05/15/18  Markbike528CBX (at 53.5)
~06/01/18 Honeyfill  (at 60)
06/15/18  DavisGang90 (at 49)
06/29/18  aperture
06/29/18  CowboyAndIndian (at 59)
06/??/18  Albireo13
06/??/18  Cheddar Stacker
06/??/18  dbtx
06/??/18  Omalley
06/??/18  poppydog
06/??/18  randomgiraffe
06/??/18  SwissMiss
~06/??/18 Pylortes
07/??/18  AussieGirl
07/??/18  ChasesFish
07/??/18  Mr Griz
~07/??/18 BackAndForth
~07/??/18 cerat0n1a
~07/??/18 Freshwater
~07/??/18 SnidelyWhiplashStache
08/??/18  Mr Mark
08/??/18  NorCalistache
10/05/18  JumboShrimp
10/??/18  Fire1018
10/??/18  Happy
10/??/18  Irishtache
10/??/18  patches
11/??/18  DeSteeg
11/??/18  Kris
12/01/18  Vegasgirl (at 49)
12/??/18  EnjoyIt
12/??/18  yoda34
??/??/18  Blindsquirrel
??/??/18  Michread
??/??/18  Minnesota_mom
??/??/18  OzBeach -- WIGLO (When I Get Laid Off)
??/??/18  thriftycanadian
??/??/18  pecunia

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #634 on: October 20, 2017, 09:57:49 AM »
Thought Iíd do a progress report on my march to freedom.  I am still planning on retiring June 1 so I can pay off the car and the kitchen remodel. However, Mrs Honeyfill is thinking about moving up her date.  She is may retire as soon as Feb 1.  I am trying to talk her into retiring even sooner.  She makes 60% less than me but has 100% more stress.  I donít know how she does it.   The earliest we can retire is Jan 1 but I need to stay the rest of the year to take advantage of the max out of pocket on the health care.     
We made good progress on paying down debts this month.  The bathroom remodel is completely paid for, the back porch update and new patio furniture is paid for.  The car repair (damn pack rats) is completely paid for. We also paid off the last of our trip to Montana from last summer. 
Iíve also been getting all our health issues taken care off while Megacorp is still paying .  We hit our maximum out of pocket this year , so everything is ďfreeĒ the rest of the year.   Saw the eye doctor and got a new pair of   glasses.  Saw the dentist and got a treatment plan to complete all work by the end of the year.  Got my annual check check, Iím in pretty good health for a 60 year old guy but  decided on doing a sleep apnea test and to have a umbilical hernia taken care of. These are both minor  and optional but since they are free , I figured I would do it this year. 
As  several people have noted, Work gets tougher and tougher to handle as the end date gets closer. However, Iím trying to concentrate on the fun stuff and Iím learning to say no.  That helps a lot!
 



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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #635 on: October 20, 2017, 10:06:42 AM »
  decided on doing a sleep apnea test

Anything you can do to get rid of body fat, exercise and diet, helps to improve sleep apnea.

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #636 on: October 21, 2017, 06:56:53 AM »

01/05/18  Gimesalot
01/06/18  Monkey Uncle
01/??/18  FIBy30
01/??/18  MomCPA
01/??/18  NorGirl
01/15/18  PizzaSteve
01/??/18  PrePube
01/??/18  Zinethstache
02/01/18  DTaggart
02/28/18  brooklynguy
03/16/18  Cherry Lane
03/30/18  sol
03/31/18  Caoineag (at 36)
03/31/18  homestead neohio
03/31/18  ZiziPB (at 50)
03/31/18  DavidAnnArbor (at 52) (Won't renew my office lease)
03/??/18  Badblackgirl
03/??/18  Clean Shaven
03/??/18  JLTinVA
03/??/18  Sofa King
03/??/18  MiserlyMiser
04/20/18  NinetyFour
04/??/18  Aegishjalmur (At 35)
04/??/18  Calvin
04/??/18  FernFree
04/??/18  Gooki
04/??/18  LateStarter
~04/??/18 HappyMargo
~04/??/18 Mother Fussbudget
05/01/18  SwordGuy (at 60)
05/08/18  SwordGuy DW (SwordGuy isn't saying.   He wants to live.)
05/??/18  Alim Nassor
05/04/18  wordnerd and DH (at 30 and 36)
05/15/18  Markbike528CBX (at 53.5)
~06/01/18 Honeyfill  (at 60)
06/15/18  DavisGang90 (at 49)
06/29/18  aperture
06/29/18  CowboyAndIndian (at 59)
06/??/18  Albireo13
06/??/18  Cheddar Stacker
06/??/18  dbtx
06/??/18  Omalley
06/??/18  poppydog
06/??/18  randomgiraffe
06/??/18  SwissMiss
~06/??/18 Pylortes
07/??/18  AussieGirl
07/??/18  ChasesFish
07/??/18  Mr Griz
~07/??/18 BackAndForth
~07/??/18 cerat0n1a
~07/??/18 Freshwater
~07/??/18 SnidelyWhiplashStache
08/??/18  Mr Mark
08/??/18  NorCalistache
10/05/18  JumboShrimp
10/??/18  Fire1018
10/??/18  Happy
10/??/18  Irishtache
10/??/18  patches
11/??/18  DeSteeg
11/??/18  Kris
12/01/18  Vegasgirl (at 49)
12/??/18  EnjoyIt
12/??/18  yoda34
??/??/18  Blindsquirrel
??/??/18  Michread
??/??/18  Minnesota_mom
??/??/18  OzBeach -- WIGLO (When I Get Laid Off)
??/??/18  thriftycanadian
??/??/18  pecunia

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I believe I can be added to this list. The plan right now is 3/31/18. This is contingent on the state of the ACA. My wife and I will rely on health care exchanges for our coverage. We've added room in our budget for premiums to increase but if premiums become too expensive then I don't know.

I'm 44 and my wife is 39.

My questions for anyone planning to FIRE in 2017 or 2018:

1. If we're retiring at the tail end of this bull market, what are you doing to mitigate sequence of returns risk? Do you continue to work and just grind it out through a bear market? What if that bear lasts 2-3 years? Are your assets at the point where you can absorb a big downturn and still be safely in your expected withdrawal rate?

2. If you're relying on the ACA for coverage, how much more are you budgeting for premium increases?

Sorry to be a downer but these are the two biggest issues weighing on my mind. Maybe these questions are best for a separate thread but just thought I'd throw it out there.

« Last Edit: October 21, 2017, 07:19:49 AM by Mrbeardedbigbucks »

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #637 on: October 21, 2017, 07:39:04 AM »
Welcome Mrbeardedbigbucks!


01/05/18  Gimesalot
01/06/18  Monkey Uncle
01/??/18  FIBy30
01/??/18  MomCPA
01/??/18  NorGirl
01/15/18  PizzaSteve
01/??/18  PrePube
01/??/18  Zinethstache
02/01/18  DTaggart
02/28/18  brooklynguy
03/16/18  Cherry Lane
03/30/18  sol
03/31/18  Caoineag (at 36)
03/31/18  homestead neohio
03/31/18  Mrbeardedbigbucks
03/31/18  ZiziPB (at 50)
03/31/18  DavidAnnArbor (at 52) (Won't renew my office lease)
03/??/18  Badblackgirl
03/??/18  Clean Shaven
03/??/18  JLTinVA
03/??/18  Sofa King
03/??/18  MiserlyMiser
04/20/18  NinetyFour
04/??/18  Aegishjalmur (At 35)
04/??/18  Calvin
04/??/18  FernFree
04/??/18  Gooki
04/??/18  LateStarter
~04/??/18 HappyMargo
~04/??/18 Mother Fussbudget
05/01/18  SwordGuy (at 60)
05/08/18  SwordGuy DW (SwordGuy isn't saying.   He wants to live.)
05/??/18  Alim Nassor
05/04/18  wordnerd and DH (at 30 and 36)
05/15/18  Markbike528CBX (at 53.5)
~06/01/18 Honeyfill  (at 60)
06/15/18  DavisGang90 (at 49)
06/29/18  aperture
06/29/18  CowboyAndIndian (at 59)
06/??/18  Albireo13
06/??/18  Cheddar Stacker
06/??/18  dbtx
06/??/18  Omalley
06/??/18  poppydog
06/??/18  randomgiraffe
06/??/18  SwissMiss
~06/??/18 Pylortes
07/??/18  AussieGirl
07/??/18  ChasesFish
07/??/18  Mr Griz
~07/??/18 BackAndForth
~07/??/18 cerat0n1a
~07/??/18 Freshwater
~07/??/18 SnidelyWhiplashStache
08/??/18  Mr Mark
08/??/18  NorCalistache
10/05/18  JumboShrimp
10/??/18  Fire1018
10/??/18  Happy
10/??/18  Irishtache
10/??/18  patches
11/??/18  DeSteeg
11/??/18  Kris
12/01/18  Vegasgirl (at 49)
12/??/18  EnjoyIt
12/??/18  yoda34
??/??/18  Blindsquirrel
??/??/18  Michread
??/??/18  Minnesota_mom
??/??/18  OzBeach -- WIGLO (When I Get Laid Off)
??/??/18  thriftycanadian
??/??/18  pecunia




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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #638 on: October 21, 2017, 03:16:08 PM »

My questions for anyone planning to FIRE in 2017 or 2018:

1. If we're retiring at the tail end of this bull market, what are you doing to mitigate sequence of returns risk? Do you continue to work and just grind it out through a bear market? What if that bear lasts 2-3 years? Are your assets at the point where you can absorb a big downturn and still be safely in your expected withdrawal rate?

2. If you're relying on the ACA for coverage, how much more are you budgeting for premium increases?

Sorry to be a downer but these are the two biggest issues weighing on my mind. Maybe these questions are best for a separate thread but just thought I'd throw it out there.

1.  Well, no one really knows if we're at the tail end of the bull market or not, but history being what it is, it wouldn't be unexpected for a bear market to occur during the first few years for anyone retiring now.  As a hedge, I've worked about 18 months past reaching basic FI status so that I'll be FIREing with a 100% cFiresim success rate, even after allowing for a $10k/yr buffer over basic spending.  So basically I've worked too long, just in case working long enough wasn't really long enough.

2.  If the ACA goes belly up, I'll find a way to earn some supplemental income.  Right now I'm thinking that I'll do some part time consulting.
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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #639 on: October 21, 2017, 04:07:10 PM »
1. If we're retiring at the tail end of this bull market, what are you doing to mitigate sequence of returns risk? Do you continue to work and just grind it out through a bear market? What if that bear lasts 2-3 years? Are your assets at the point where you can absorb a big downturn and still be safely in your expected withdrawal rate?

2. If you're relying on the ACA for coverage, how much more are you budgeting for premium increases?

1. We'll have 18 months expenses in cash and a diversified income incl. a rental and P2P. Also about 20% of our expenses are luxuries that can be cut out and in a real pinch we could exist on 50%.  In reality, DH would just keep working as he would not be keen to cut out certain luxuries - travel, meals out.
2. We're not in the US.

I don't really know what retirement is going to look like but when I think of free time, I just imagine all the little do-gooding ventures I could start without worrying if they will pay the bills. The closer it gets, the more I think I'll be a sort of non-profit small business SWAMI, able to pay myself a small wage if things get tight.

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #640 on: October 21, 2017, 04:34:37 PM »
We have diversified passive income streams that mean our stock will be withdrawn at less than a 1% SWR.  After a year or two, we won't have to touch it at all for planned expenses.  (We need to provide for a mentally handicapped daughter so we built a lot more safety factors into our FIRE plan than most of you need.)

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #641 on: October 22, 2017, 01:21:29 AM »
My questions for anyone planning to FIRE in 2017 or 2018:

1. If we're retiring at the tail end of this bull market, what are you doing to mitigate sequence of returns risk? Do you continue to work and just grind it out through a bear market? What if that bear lasts 2-3 years? Are your assets at the point where you can absorb a big downturn and still be safely in your expected withdrawal rate?

2. If you're relying on the ACA for coverage, how much more are you budgeting for premium increases?

Sorry to be a downer but these are the two biggest issues weighing on my mind. Maybe these questions are best for a separate thread but just thought I'd throw it out there.

1. Sorta FIREd in 2017. My job is still waiting for me to come back in August 2018, which I will have to do for a couple weeks, maybe months until my rental house sells. If bear market is bad by then I may stay an extra 6 months or so for extra cash to invest while there's a sale and a little extra to cover expenses for another year maybe. The biggest mitigation plan is having super low expenses and a nomadic life, as well as the option to work a few temp jobs or side gigs if I feel like it.

2. Canada

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #642 on: October 22, 2017, 05:55:56 AM »
I'm on the list but, have need to switch to 2019.   



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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #643 on: October 22, 2017, 06:30:35 AM »

My questions for anyone planning to FIRE in 2017 or 2018:

1. If we're retiring at the tail end of this bull market, what are you doing to mitigate sequence of returns risk? Do you continue to work and just grind it out through a bear market? What if that bear lasts 2-3 years? Are your assets at the point where you can absorb a big downturn and still be safely in your expected withdrawal rate?

2. If you're relying on the ACA for coverage, how much more are you budgeting for premium increases?

Sorry to be a downer but these are the two biggest issues weighing on my mind. Maybe these questions are best for a separate thread but just thought I'd throw it out there.

Here is a list I put together a while ago to remind myself that I will be OK even if the markets take a downturn after I FIRE:

- no debt, no future financial obligations for children (I have one adult child who is working and supporting herself)
- planning for a withdrawal rate of less than 4%
- using a fairly conservative asset allocation (about 60/40 stocks to fixed income)
- planning to have 3-5 years of basic expenses in I bonds and CDs
- not including SS in FIRE calculations (I'll be 50 when I FIRE so I will get some SS but my numbers work anyway)
- building in flexibility in spending (I have a generous travel budget that can be scaled down or scrapped completely if need be)
- if the absolute worst case scenario happens and we have a complete meltdown of financial markets, I own a small farm where I can grow my own food ;-)

As to the health care costs, I am moving to Europe to live close to my family and will be eligible to be covered by the national health insurance there.  If I decide to return to the US after a few years, I will worry about the costs then.  Hopefully, something will be done with health insurance by then.



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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #644 on: October 22, 2017, 07:31:40 AM »
Indecision may or may not be my problem.

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Re: 2018 FIRE cohort
« Reply #645 on: October 22, 2017, 10:04:22 AM »
Albireo13 goes OMY


01/05/18  Gimesalot
01/06/18  Monkey Uncle
01/??/18  FIBy30
01/??/18  MomCPA
01/??/18  NorGirl
01/15/18  PizzaSteve
01/??/18  PrePube
01/??/18  Zinethstache
02/01/18  DTaggart
02/28/18  brooklynguy
03/16/18  Cherry Lane
03/30/18  sol
03/31/18  Caoineag (at 36)
03/31/18  homestead neohio
03/31/18  Mrbeardedbigbucks
03/31/18  ZiziPB (at 50)
03/31/18  DavidAnnArbor (at 52) (Won't renew my office lease)
03/??/18  Badblackgirl
03/??/18  Clean Shaven
03/??/18  JLTinVA
03/??/18  Sofa King
03/??/18  MiserlyMiser
04/20/18  NinetyFour
04/??/18  Aegishjalmur (At 35)
04/??/18  Calvin
04/??/18  FernFree
04/??/18  Gooki
04/??/18  LateStarter
~04/??/18 HappyMargo
~04/??/18 Mother Fussbudget
05/01/18  SwordGuy (at 60)
05/08/18  SwordGuy DW (SwordGuy isn't saying.   He wants to live.)
05/??/18  Alim Nassor
05/04/18  wordnerd and DH (at 30 and 36)
05/15/18  Markbike528CBX (at 53.5)
~06/01/18 Honeyfill  (at 60)
06/15/18  DavisGang90 (at 49)
06/29/18  aperture
06/29/18  CowboyAndIndian (at 59)
06/??/18  Cheddar Stacker
06/??/18  dbtx
06/??/18  Omalley
06/??/18  poppydog
06/??/18  randomgiraffe
06/??/18  SwissMiss
~06/??/18 Pylortes
07/??/18  AussieGirl
07/??/18  ChasesFish
07/??/18  Mr Griz
~07/??/18 BackAndForth
~07/??/18 cerat0n1a
~07/??/18 Freshwater
~07/??/18 SnidelyWhiplashStache
08/??/18  Mr Mark
08/??/18  NorCalistache
10/05/18  JumboShrimp
10/??/18  Fire1018
10/??/18  Happy
10/??/18  Irishtache
10/??/18  patches
11/??/18  DeSteeg
11/??/18  Kris
12/01/18  Vegasgirl (at 49)
12/??/18  EnjoyIt
12/??/18  yoda34
??/??/18  Blindsquirrel
??/??/18  Michread
??/??/18  Minnesota_mom
??/??/18  OzBeach -- WIGLO (When I Get Laid Off)
??/??/18  thriftycanadian
??/??/18  pecunia