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ToeInTheWater

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"long time listener, first time caller..."
« on: May 13, 2013, 11:20:31 AM »
So, been lurking here for a while now.  The “Despondent Millionaire” post finally got me to register & post.
As you probably guessed from my screen name, i'm not quite all "Mustachian" yet...

Here's where we are:

Early 50's, been on the Dave Ramsey plan for a few years, no debt except the home (and will have that paid off within 18 months).  saving ~20% in retirement accounts, plus paying ~33% of income towards clearing the mortgage.  once that's gone, we'd be living on <50% of income.  kids grown and out of the nest. Live in central Indiana

Have many spreadsheets & projections for retirement, but these all geared towards "typical" retirement age (65, 67,whatever).  So it includes a bit of Soc Sec income, a small pension from an old job (that i can take as a lump sum), and withdrawals from 401k/IRA.  Will caveat all that by saying I still have no idea what things like health care will cost, or how much we’ll want to travel. 

Well on track to meet our guesses at expenses

Current net worth is just over $XXX, split out: 
   Home Eq: 20%
   401K: 48%
        IRA: 18%
   Pension/lump sum; 10%
   Liquid Savings (“FFEF” in DR language): 4%

With a net worth that high, we should be able to declare FI – maybe waiting till the house is paid off.

Lots of questions still – and a still a bit far away from taking the leap.  You all have me thinking about it tho.  It feels a lot like when we 1st started following DR…”No one can really do that…”  “Everyone has a mortgage/car loan/credit card debt….”  Once we finally drank the koolaid, it became, well not exactly easy, but worthy.  That is, worth the time and effort to pay down the mortgage, etc.

Oh, and I really love my job.  Took many years to find what I love doing, but I’m there now.  Many missteps along the way, short term gains that really were bad moves in retrospect.  OTOH, our CEO is leaving soon (small company).  This happened once before in my career, and the person who replaced him didn’t have the “vision” that the CEO had, and the company lost its way.  We don’t yet know who the new CEO will be (COO became interim CEO), but in the back of my mind, it’s “Here we go again…”

So, 1st round of questions….
1.   For those “retiring” early, are your assets in 401k/IRA accounts, or did you save / create wealth through other means? 
2.   If “yes” to 401k/IRA, are you drawing those down & paying the tax penalty for doing so before 59 1/2?
3.   Still working part time?

And, I know if we took the leap soon, we’d have to restructure our lifestyle/expenses to be more Mustachian.  Certainly doable, but would be a sacrifice on some fronts.  Again, not there yet, but feels like it did at the beginning of DR, so really starting now with an eye on (say) 2 years from now.  will have many question here - many answered elsewhere in the forums already, so some searching & absorbing to do there.

One more thing, we had rental real estate early in our marriage, and it wasn't for us.  I know many of you are taking that path successfully, and enjoying it, but that won't be our path to FI.

Thx all…you really are an inspiration

b

edited to take out net worth....i've invited others here and don't want to share that with people i know
« Last Edit: May 18, 2013, 09:33:50 AM by ToeInTheWater »

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Re: "long time listener, first time caller..."
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2013, 11:30:38 AM »
I am 55 and today is my "last Monday"! Although I may take some consulting to keep busy (if I feel like it), we are pulling the trigger on FIRE over the next twelve months.

Once we sell our current (paid for) house and downsize, we plan to liberate about 200k post-tax dollars for investment. We also have 100k post-tax investments plus 125k in bonds. (We will owe taxes on interest when bonds are cashed, but there are no age restrictions or penalties.) We have another 400k in qualified (401k / IRA) funds. We also have a software-as-a-service startup throwing off $2k per month.

With another (much smaller) paid for house, we will be positioned to consume the startup income and nibble at the post-tax monies until I turn 59.5 and we're out of the qualified-money-penalty-box.

On healthcare, check out the Affordable Care Act (goes into effect Jan 2014). If you nibble at your assets and have very low "income," the subsidy is substantial.

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Re: "long time listener, first time caller..."
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2013, 12:04:51 PM »
Toe,

Take a glance around the boards. There are several posts outlining how to access money in various retirement accounts prior to retirement (look up 72t or roth pipeline). You will find several people investing strongly within their 401k while planning to retire early.

As for part time work, well it just depends on your plan. I personally do plan on earning some sort of an income after FI and can almost guarantee it will be part time.

Also if you truly love your job FI is still a great thing. You can always keep working, don't let anyone say you have to stop because you're FIRE.

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Re: "long time listener, first time caller..."
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 12:53:33 PM »
If your expenses are less than ~$32k/year it sounds like you are set up just fine to retire using the Roth pipeline.

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Re: "long time listener, first time caller..."
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 01:04:01 PM »
thanks all.  look forward to learning more.

interesting that the 1st reply to a post by  "TOE..." was from someone named "FOOT..."  :)

and - searched this but didn't see an answer right off...what does FIRE mean?
guessing the "FI" is "financial independence" and that "RE" may be "retired" or "retirement" or something?

thx
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Re: "long time listener, first time caller..."
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2013, 01:07:11 PM »
Well it is connected to the leg bone, and from what I here that in turn is connected to the hip bone...

RE part is retire early.

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Re: "long time listener, first time caller..."
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2013, 01:29:17 PM »
Match

thx, and LOL

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Re: "long time listener, first time caller..."
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2013, 01:39:49 PM »
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72t or roth pipeline

Match - good info there.  didn't know about either. 

thx much

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