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"Follow Your Passion" is Bad Advice
« on: October 28, 2012, 03:44:04 PM »
I ran across this video recently, and some of the thoughts shared by this author seem to overlap with the philosophies discussed on this forum:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwOdU02SE0w

Has anyone read this book? Maybe part of why so many mustachians strive for FI is because they want the chance to re-invent their career, their life's passion, and how they spend their time on this planet?

We didn't find that "meaning" or clarity of passion before jumping into work & consuming like the rest of the drones... but figuring it out ahead of time may not be how it really works - it's more about continuing to explore passion throughout your life & career and not resigning yourself to working a job you hate until you're dead. Become good at what you do (in all aspects of life), and it will be enjoyable e.g. live with intention.
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Re: "Follow Your Passion" is Bad Advice
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2012, 04:37:18 PM »
Maybe part of why so many mustachians strive for FI is because they want the chance to re-invent their career, their life's passion, and how they spend their time on this planet?

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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2012, 04:42:35 PM »
Love that Comic!

I think that FI makes the transition from life to life easier.

If you're already FI, and your new life doesn't include making money, who cares?

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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2012, 04:48:37 PM »
Completely agree. Opens up lots of possibilities.
I am a former teacher who accumulated a bunch of real estate, retired at 29, spent some time traveling the world full time and am now settled with three kids.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2012, 10:50:29 PM »
Why the heck do we need to be passionate in the first place?  How about us folks who're just pretty laid back, and could find equal interest & enjoyment in doing many different things, without getting obsessive (that is, passionate) about any one of them?

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2012, 11:08:02 PM »
Agree! Very much so, I like the part about career Capitol.  In other words do what makes the most sense at the time and do your best at it.  It is sad that our education system uses easy catch phrases like this and people listen.  I know lots of people who follow there passion into dead end jobs where they work long hours and have little career advancement because of it.  I gave up my "passions" in choosing a job, in fact it's about as un appealing sounding as can be.  I work as an oil and gas process operator but I work a great reduced work week, get 10 weeks of vacation and still make 6 figures.  So far it has been a very rewarding job, lots of challenge, lots of advancement. My dad who works at a technical college is on a committee trying to convince students to enter un-attractive fields such as oil, mining, insurance that all have high paying great jobs they can't fill. 

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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2012, 06:43:02 AM »
I have two problems with follow your passion. The first is is that it generally ignores the fact that you actually have to make money in life to pay for things. Period. Cliche sayings like 'the money will come' or 'you only live once' lead to people repeating folk wisom that has virtually no evidence-based backing.
To me it should be 'follow your passions so long as you understand what that means for your financial life'. I have lots of friends who 'followed their passions' who are now 'working in dead-end jobs' as they soon realized that having your passion pay you a reasonable salary is typically somewhat rare.

Second, your passions evolve. You'll enjoy things at 30 you'd never enjoy at 20 and so on. When I was 20 I 'never wanted to stop partying' now that I'm older I 'like to stay home and watch a movie with my fiancee'. If I followed my parting passion I probably wouldn't be where I am today.

In sum, I think 'follow your passions' is a load of crap. I would chase the money while understanding the only value money has is to buy your freedom.

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2012, 09:04:23 AM »
In sum, I think 'follow your passions' is a load of crap. I would chase the money while understanding the only value money has is to buy your freedom.

I'm speaking from experience when I say this approach can be soul crushing. I make great money, have incredible benefits, and feel completely unfulfilled and hate coming to work. I'm starting to pursue my passion and love every minute. I have't made the work change yet because it would be a hugh reduction in pay. However, it sounds better and better every day. Money is important but chasing it at all costs can mean a pretty unhappy life until FI.

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2012, 09:26:15 AM »

I'm speaking from experience when I say this approach can be soul crushing ...

Seconded. If you can NOT follow your passion and still come out a happy person, that's awesome. But not everyone can do it. I'm an artist. It's not my day job. It's okay for now but it's not ideal.
I personally am making moves towards making my art at least somewhat financially viable, because spending more time doing it (and getting paid to do it) is extremely important to me. And I don't want to wait until I'm FI to do what makes me happy because let's face it, that's super stupid.
Do what you can to make your passion profitable if your passion can't wait. Keep a day job while it transitions. That's my technique at least.
If a person can wait til you're FI to throw themselves into your passion, props! They will be FI long before the rest of us. :)
It all just depends on what our priorities are. :)
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2012, 10:39:47 AM »
I'm pretty sure I fall into the category of not having a passion.

I've taken tons of college classes. I nearly have 3 or 4 different associates degrees and have yet to find something that I feel passionate about. I have a very high paying career with great benefits, but I don't care about it. I do it for the money.

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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2012, 10:49:29 AM »
I have two passions: food and the opposite sex.  I haven't figured out how to monetize either one, not sure if I would want to.
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2012, 07:25:47 PM »
I followed my passions.  It made me realize that my passions don't make much money and were more painful than a corporate job.  But now I never question if I made a mistake about following my passion.  Sometimes you just need to do it and use it as a learning experience.  It helped me find a better job later with a focus on making more money.


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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2012, 09:34:38 PM »
Didn't watch the video, so sorry if I'm repeating - but I just got this book from the library. I've only made it through the first fifty pages, but the point I'm getting is that you can develop a passion by following what you're good at, rather than following a passion that you may not be good at or for which there is little monetary demand. People enjoy what they're good at. You have to put in hard work to develop a set of skills, but then by developing a totally unique skill set you can lead your career path towards what interests you most. He uses Ira Glass as an example - he put in years of hard work and honed his skill at editing so that his supervisors gave him a shot at running his own segments, and finally that grew into doing his own show.

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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2012, 11:36:37 PM »
...you can develop a passion by following what you're good at...

But again, why would I WANT a passion/obsession?  I enjoy what I do for a living, I've put in years of work honing my skills in my particular niche, and I am, all modesty aside, darned good at it.  It makes me a more than decent living, but if circumstances changed so that my market dried up, I could easily drop it and start a career as say a landscape gardener or dog walker, just as I dropped my previous construction business when circumstances made that untenable.


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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2012, 10:02:26 AM »
I love this discussion. 
I enjoyed the years in which I have lived with more focus, and I recognize that most of the things around me that I consider 'great' were done by people following their passion.   
But, the bread is oh so soft and well buttered where I am.   
The next life is there just waiting for me to start. 

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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2012, 12:18:51 PM »
I ordered the book about two weeks ago and am halfway through it    =)

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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2012, 05:45:32 PM »
I often think that the idea of "your passion" in most people's heads is a lot more specific than it really plays out in reality.  I'm an engineer, and I enjoy it.  But what I've found is that solving any kind of problem makes me happy, not just engineering problems.

Learning things also makes me happy: science, languages, cooking, jiujitsu.... at my job it helps that I like to learn stuff.  But I also do it in a lot of other places in my life.

What I'm saying is, I think a person's "passion" isn't usually as specific as "design rockets" or "solve poverty in US cities."  And if you find a job that's in the family of things that you enjoy and can learn to do well, that's the first step to having your passion come to you.

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2012, 08:34:20 PM »
I often think that the idea of "your passion" in most people's heads is a lot more specific than it really plays out in reality.  I'm an engineer, and I enjoy it.  But what I've found is that solving any kind of problem makes me happy, not just engineering problems.

Fine, but finding enjoyment in solving problems is at least an order of magnitude away from being PASSIONATE about solving problems.  I likewise enjoy doing the things on your list, and many others, but I don't have any desire to become passionate about any of them.

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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2012, 10:23:28 AM »
My passion is music. I have a day job and do the piano thing in the evening. I do not regret getting my music degree and my musical life is a large part of my early retirement plan as it will generously supplement any investment income I have. I'm lucky to be able to do what I'm good at all day and what I love afterwards. If I play my cards right and stay on the path, I will be able to just do what I love without having to do the "good at" part for someone else by my 40's!

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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2012, 08:51:37 PM »
Why the heck do we need to be passionate in the first place?  How about us folks who're just pretty laid back, and could find equal interest & enjoyment in doing many different things, without getting obsessive (that is, passionate) about any one of them?

Thank you for saying this!!  I spent so many years trying to find out what I was "passionate" about.  I think there are some people that truly have a passion (or obsession), but many of us don't, and we shouldn't feel bad about it, or that we are somehow incomplete.  As it turns out, there's nothing I'm passionate about (other than my hubby!), but I'm interested in a lot of different, diverse things..... and also very laid back.  And yet, I've turned out just fine  :)

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2012, 01:24:28 PM »
I also think passion, or the appearance of a passion, is overrated.
Example: most people who meet my older brother are blown away by his life. He worked his way through a local college from a background of known poverty, started his own coffee business and is a sponsored semi-pro surfer. Our culture loves this stuff. Everyone is so inspired and amazed at his accomplishments. Yet the flip side is that even though he spends his time doing what he prefers to do, he is dirt poor. He has only owned a home once and only for a few years with his wife before their marriage went south. They used her savings to finance it. The majority of his adult life has been spent as a caretaker at other people's homes, or living out of his bus, spending almost all his hard earned money back into vehicles, gas and equipment to keep his business current. There has been very little stability in his life.
Whereas me and my husband in our little lives of no college degree or career suburban mediocrity have managed to build up a net worth of a quarter million $.
Not saying the entire idea is crap but not an idea I will be pushing on my kids. "Follow your strengths" doesn't seem to have the same catchy ring to it I suppose to catch on with the public. But that is what my kids will hear in our home. Not that I don't want to challenge them to keep learning and trying things but it's pretty clear early on with most kids what they are naturally good at. I feel like I'm doing a good thing as the most influential adult in their lives to encourage their strengths, point out careers that may use those and subtly sculpt their activities and interests towards those areas. I would never come out with an edict for them but I think that guiding them to what may be most appropriate for them is the right thing to do. Of course, my older two are special needs so I'm aware I'm much more overbearing in this area than a parent of average kids would be.
The way I see it,  a passion will require life-long effort and pursuit. If your heart is in it and you receive enough encouragement or success, your struggles won't seem like work. Of course if it doesn't pan out at that way you will be just like millions of others who didn't quite make it.
But if you follow your natural strengths, work in that field should be nearly effortless. The time should fly by. And instead of your career bringing an emotional roller coaster of highs and lows, you earn a steady sense of satisfaction because the work suits you.

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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2012, 08:24:05 AM »
I also think passion, or the appearance of a passion, is overrated.

I don't, I wish I was passionate about something, well something in addition to my family and seeking FIRE.  I never did and still don't have an answer to "If money didn't matter what would you do?" 

Example: most people who meet my older brother are blown away by his life. He worked his way through a local college from a background of known poverty, started his own coffee business and is a sponsored semi-pro surfer......

Whereas me and my husband in our little lives of no college degree or career suburban mediocrity have managed to build up a net worth of a quarter million $......

The way I see it,  a passion will require life-long effort and pursuit. If your heart is in it and you receive enough encouragement or success, your struggles won't seem like work.

My sister and I had similar varying paths - she chose to travel the world, teach in Nepal, etc and had kids before her and her partner had any sense of stability and I went the other way...always worked, went to school, worked even harder, and here we are.  I am envious of her past and she is envious of my future.  It is all about choice and tradeoffs.  But if a passion can last a lifetime, provide enough to support oneself, and one still is happy - I think I would choose that but there are no guarantees.

 

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