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Hi UK folks!
My father has cash - quite a bit of it as over the years he's been invested into good old fashioned savings and property. however as he is getting out of property (he's in his 70's and doesn't want to play that game anymore) and he can't find decent savings rate he has turned to me to ask for ideas for his ISA funds.
I have suggested the stock market!! or more to the point vanguard high yield share funds. He probably won't need quick access to his funds but would like the return on those funds so he can carry on holidaying whenever he wants.

My initial suggestion would be the Vanguard FSTE Equity income funds.
I'm looking for suggestions of other dividend funds that are ISA eligible.

Thanks.
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« Last Edit: May 26, 2020, 04:57:47 AM by UnleashHell »

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Re: ISA advice request for retiree
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2020, 05:21:01 AM »
Hello UnleashHell

There is the High Yield fund that I believe is designed for that purpose. It has a lower charge than the fund you mention but I’m not sure of the exact differences. I think this is a passive fund while equity income is actively managed.

https://www.vanguardinvestor.co.uk/investments/vanguard-ftse-all-world-high-dividend-yield-ucits-etf-usd-distributing/overview?intcmpgn=equityglobal_ftseallworldhighdividendyielducitsetf_fund_link

I don’t know if the LifeStrategy 20 (80% bonds) would be suitable? If he’s been in cash how comfortable is he with volatility?

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Re: ISA advice request for retiree
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2020, 03:09:01 AM »
Honestly, I would just consider keeping it in the property. If the management is too much hassle then consider getting an agent to deal with that.

Transferring his assets to stocks needs very careful consideration. 

Firstly, there is likely to be a big CGT hit if he liquidates his property.

But much more importantly, stocks are more volatile and liquid than property, so every second of every day it's possible (sometimes unavoidable) to see the changes in the market and know how you wealth is going up and down as a result. I feel this is psychologically a big point against financial assets, it can turn people into short term gamblers and the constant rollercoaster is not good for a person's psyche.

For many people it's like if you have £20 on a horse in the 3:30 at Cheltenham.. you then have a vested interest in the outcome, and it triggers a flight or fight response somewhere deep in the brain.
 
Probably one of the reasons why he invested in property in the first place is that it probably felt safer than stocks (and this was a good decision in hindsight).

Why change what has worked well for him? He would be taking big risks in changing his retirement nestegg into something that he is much less familiar with.

You mention that he has cash as well as property - by all means put this into the stock market, but if it were me in that situation I would keep the real estate.

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Re: ISA advice request for retiree
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2020, 06:37:50 AM »
he still has a some property. The cash bucket from the ones he sold (flats where he actually did the conversion and owns the management company) is not being invested in stocks. I suspect that may go the route of stand alone property without the common ground issues that have caused aggravation.

The amount to be invested is cash that sits in an ISA and has been invested in various things over the years - he doesn't need the capital would would like a reasonable return (IE more than a savings account). so a 3 to 4% return via dividends from an isa would be ideal. He won't panic sell if it drops. I won't let him!!!

so its just a choice of funds that I'm looking at that are ISA eligible.
I moved away 20 years ago and don't deal with ISA's etc so have very little idea.

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Re: ISA advice request for retiree
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2020, 06:57:43 AM »
so its just a choice of funds that I'm looking at that are ISA eligible.
I moved away 20 years ago and don't deal with ISA's etc so have very little idea.

Gotcha. Nearly every mainstream fund is ISA eligible but not all of them are available from each provider. Monevator highlights the cheapest providers. iWeb and Halifax share dealing are good for large amounts in ETFs if you (he) rarely trades and have a broad selection of ETFs (well, I've never struggled to find what I want). Vanguard is good for smaller amounts and regular trading, but limited to Vanguard funds.

It might be worth checking if you can access the sites from a US computer (or your VPN) - due to the US tax requirements, some financial institutions are really nervous about US persons of all sorts (even though your Dad will be eligible).

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Re: ISA advice request for retiree
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2020, 10:49:28 AM »
Bear in mind that many of the traditional big dividend paying stocks will probably be cutting or stopping entirely their dividend payments because of the current crisis so income funds are likely to be giving a reduced yield for the next however long.   You could potentially look at investment trusts with big reserves if you think he would cope better with them.

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Re: ISA advice request for retiree
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2020, 09:32:18 AM »
yeah - I'm discussing risk tolerance with him. Also putting together a list of shares that you could buy as an individual that would have the same effect. Might be just as well to buy 20 - 25 individual stocks and get the dividends from them.
as well as keeping a couple of years of future expected dividends to one side now so that you aren't immediately reliant upon dividends.

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Re: ISA advice request for retiree: update :who should hold funds?????
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2020, 04:59:29 AM »
anyone have input on who should hold the funds for the ISA? needs to have access to stocks and shares. He's currently at the Coventry and they don't. I was thinking just put it with Vanguard (because that's what I have) but I'm not UK based.

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Re: ISA advice request for retiree: update :who should hold funds?????
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2020, 05:09:17 AM »
I’m with Vanguard myself. Their website is very easy to use.

Monevator does have a full comparison page if you are especially focussed on minimising costs. This largely depends on the amount held and how often someone is switching/buying funds etc.

https://monevator.com/find-the-best-online-broker/