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TinyAcorn

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Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« on: September 03, 2019, 12:51:50 PM »
Just found out the house we've offered on is leasehold rather than freehold, would you baulk?  Or am I over-reacting?

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2019, 01:43:04 PM »
How long's the lease, and how's the price?

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2019, 04:48:47 AM »
I'd want to know some details about the lease before making a decision, but tending towards no thanks. Is it a recent build or one of the weird oldschool 999 year ones?

I have a leasehold flat, there isn't really another way to buy a flat. With houses I'd expect you to have more options.

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2019, 05:50:05 AM »
No way. I had a leasehold flat & had to pay to extend the lease to be able to sell it.

I wouldn't entertain the idea for a second when buying a house.

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2019, 06:07:34 AM »
My house is Leasehold rather than freehold.  I have another 962 years on the lease - don't think I'll be around to worry about it to be honest! :P

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2019, 07:13:43 AM »
My house is Leasehold rather than freehold.  I have another 962 years on the lease - don't think I'll be around to worry about it to be honest! :P

But what are the fees and do they double?

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2019, 12:35:27 PM »
Noooooooooooo.

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2019, 04:43:10 PM »
If you offered to buy it believing that it was a freehold, then I think you should step back and look at all the numbers again. That suggests that you weren't given good, clear information about the monthly fees and annual ground rent. It must be disappointing, but it's better to wait and be sure than to get tied to something that isn't what you thought it was when you budgeted for it. Find out how long the lease is and read up about leaseholder rights and so forth.

I have a leasehold flat. The ground rent and monthly fees are lower than most in my area, which makes a big difference. In my case, I think it was genuinely the best I could do to live close to work and friends while building some equity and stabilising my accommodation costs. For me, it was a choice between renting a flat or buying a leasehold flat, where the places were similar but the monthly costs were lower for buying. I think it should be different with houses where you're expecting to really own the place.

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2019, 02:56:33 AM »
Thank you all for your replies. I'm now thinking I may have over-reacted based on hearing horror stories...

It's a 930 year lease with a £4.75 ground rent. Apparently we can buy it (with legal fees etc) for about £700 but would need to have lived there for 2 years.  Currently seeing if vendor will buy the lease and sell it to us along with the house, esp as offer was based on it being freehold!

Thanks again.

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2019, 07:12:55 AM »
My house is Leasehold rather than freehold.  I have another 962 years on the lease - don't think I'll be around to worry about it to be honest! :P

But what are the fees and do they double?
My fees are £15 per year.  As far as I'm aware they don't double - we had our surveys check the lease before buying to make sure there wasn't any dodgy small print!

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2019, 01:26:39 AM »
Thank you all for your replies. I'm now thinking I may have over-reacted based on hearing horror stories...

It's a 930 year lease with a £4.75 ground rent. Apparently we can buy it (with legal fees etc) for about £700 but would need to have lived there for 2 years.  Currently seeing if vendor will buy the lease and sell it to us along with the house, esp as offer was based on it being freehold!

Thanks again.

Does anyone know any background to why these types of lease exist on houses (I’m not talking about the scandalous leases on recent houses)? It’s presumably some historical reason maybe from a few decades ago, based on the length of leases being mentioned and assuming they started as 999 or 1000 years. It doesn’t sound like the leasor (if that is the right word) makes any money from the annual ground rent so I don’t understand what they get from it, and it just adds another layer of complication for the house owner.

It makes sense for flats where otherwise you have to get agreeement and payment from all the flat owners anytime you need to do maintenance to the building, but for houses I’m not seeing any benefits for either side.

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2019, 03:28:37 AM »
Googling phrases like 'leasehold legal history' etc will get you lots of articles, with many contradictory bits of info - I looked into it for days when I was househunting!

Basically, the concept of a leaseholds dates back to medieval times when the landed aristocracy granted leases to their tenants to live on and work the land, without owning it. It gave them control over what happened on their estates plus a means of raising money from their tenants when needed.

At various times over the centuries landowners and developers have used this arrangement to their benefit to profit off tenants. At other times there have been legal interventions to limit their power and protect tenants.

Hopefully I've been vague enough to not be totally wrong, honestly, you'd have to go back to primary literature to be totally sure of the details because all the articles online say contradictory things about what exactly happened when (before about the 1920s anyway - and even that period is confusing as a layperson. Basically the law has been honed over centuries).

As for what freeholders today get from continuing to own the land without collecting rent - I guess charging people for renewing the lease esp if they leave it to the last minute, maybe the chance of collecting rent in the future, and the chance of ownership of the property reverting back to them should the lease not be renewed? I'm assuming it's mostly a case of why would I give it up if I don't have to. It's MY land. Or something.

FWIW the flat I ended up in, each flat in the building owns an equal share of the freehold (technically the freeholder is a company, and we own that company). So it's a framework for enforcing payment of maintenance etc but there isn't 'rent' going to some landowner somewhere. And other countries have other ways of managing shared buildings that don't rely on the leasehold concepts. Of course in reality with however many existing leaseholds plus how tangled it is legally it's not that simple to be like 'let's just scrap it'!

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2019, 11:39:47 AM »
You might have restrictions on the work you can do on your house. If you need a new roof, or repair damage, you might have to go through the managing company (probably the freeholder), and the chances are they will put a fee on top.

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Re: Would you ever buy a leasehold house?
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2019, 02:02:57 AM »
Googling phrases like 'leasehold legal history' etc will get you lots of articles, with many contradictory bits of info - I looked into it for days when I was househunting!

Basically, the concept of a leaseholds dates back to medieval times when the landed aristocracy granted leases to their tenants to live on and work the land, without owning it. It gave them control over what happened on their estates plus a means of raising money from their tenants when needed.

At various times over the centuries landowners and developers have used this arrangement to their benefit to profit off tenants. At other times there have been legal interventions to limit their power and protect tenants.

Hopefully I've been vague enough to not be totally wrong, honestly, you'd have to go back to primary literature to be totally sure of the details because all the articles online say contradictory things about what exactly happened when (before about the 1920s anyway - and even that period is confusing as a layperson. Basically the law has been honed over centuries).

As for what freeholders today get from continuing to own the land without collecting rent - I guess charging people for renewing the lease esp if they leave it to the last minute, maybe the chance of collecting rent in the future, and the chance of ownership of the property reverting back to them should the lease not be renewed? I'm assuming it's mostly a case of why would I give it up if I don't have to. It's MY land. Or something.

FWIW the flat I ended up in, each flat in the building owns an equal share of the freehold (technically the freeholder is a company, and we own that company). So it's a framework for enforcing payment of maintenance etc but there isn't 'rent' going to some landowner somewhere. And other countries have other ways of managing shared buildings that don't rely on the leasehold concepts. Of course in reality with however many existing leaseholds plus how tangled it is legally it's not that simple to be like 'let's just scrap it'!

Thanks sea_saw that was interesting history. As you say there are probably several reasons people would hang on to a leasehold today even when they don’t seem to be making much money. I’m usually quite good at seeing other people’s motivations for things, but in this case I think that is just being overwhelmed with thinking what a load of administrative faff for very little reward, but then I like life to be as straightforward as possible.

The arrangement you describe for your flat does seem like a good solution.