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Jade

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A good time to move for us, or not?
« on: August 08, 2023, 02:15:41 AM »
Hiya,

I just wanted to pick the mmmr's brains here on moving in the current economic climate? As you may remember, we've been debating moving for a while (2 x overthinkers trying to decide whether to move or not lol!). We have a mortgage free 2 bed house, which was valued at £260-270k about 6 - 8 months ago and want to buy lower or within that budget inc fees. We're likely thinking of staying near where we are in the SE now. We have no kids so would potentially be happy with a flat or house (keeping an eye on ground rent / leasehold etc ie hopefully up to 1k pa max). We really want less maintenance as our house is old and needs renovating really which is not our cup of tea. Any thoughts welcome!

Thanks
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Re: A good time to move for us, or not?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2023, 09:35:53 AM »
Would it improve your quality of life to move? If you discounted the economics would you choose to move?

If you have a compelling reason to move, I wonder whether trying to time the housing market is akin to timing the stock market - just ignore it?

I’ve always treated our home as just that - not an asset, rather somewhere to actually live. Regardless of whether its value goes up or down. Others think differently. Neither is right nor wrong.

After hitting the FIRE button last year I’ve been amazed at how little I’ve thought about the financials, after fussing about them in detail for years. I’ve come to realise there is far more to live - living! - and I’ve made decisions with financial consequences that add to my enjoyment of life even if they’ve cost me money. No regrets.

If you have strong enough reasons to move, you might just be happier if you got it done. But only you can answer that!

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Re: A good time to move for us, or not?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2023, 10:39:55 AM »
Would it improve your quality of life to move? If you discounted the economics would you choose to move?

If you have a compelling reason to move, I wonder whether trying to time the housing market is akin to timing the stock market - just ignore it?

I’ve always treated our home as just that - not an asset, rather somewhere to actually live. Regardless of whether its value goes up or down. Others think differently. Neither is right nor wrong.

After hitting the FIRE button last year I’ve been amazed at how little I’ve thought about the financials, after fussing about them in detail for years. I’ve come to realise there is far more to live - living! - and I’ve made decisions with financial consequences that add to my enjoyment of life even if they’ve cost me money. No regrets.

If you have strong enough reasons to move, you might just be happier if you got it done. But only you can answer that!

Thanks Slow road to freedom... Good questions. We definitely want a more modern, low maintenance house so yes, we definitely want to move.

We actually talked about this earlier and got to what you said pretty much too.. that we essentially need to swap our property for a similar sized newer one of a similar price so financials are kind of irrelevant. We don't want to throw money away obviously but also don't need to worry about inheritances etc not having kids.

We mostly don't think too much about money now but I think we're both overthinkers and just get a bit in a loop sometimes! We're thinking of going for it early next year now.

Thanks for your thoughts -- that is validating and a reminder that FIRE is about enjoying life more, not less!

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Re: A good time to move for us, or not?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2023, 04:53:37 AM »
Would it improve your quality of life to move? If you discounted the economics would you choose to move?

If you have a compelling reason to move, I wonder whether trying to time the housing market is akin to timing the stock market - just ignore it?

I’ve always treated our home as just that - not an asset, rather somewhere to actually live. Regardless of whether its value goes up or down. Others think differently. Neither is right nor wrong.

I have to agree with this post, we are in the process of buying a bungalow and hopefully will complete by the end of August. We are borrowing an additional £173000 at 4.34% (we got this rate locked in a while ago) which will probably increase our housing costs from 13% of take home to about 33% of our take home.

It has weighed on us heavily, we debated a whole year before deciding we wished to move as our current mortgage is fixed at 2.2% with 9 years left (thankfully porting) which means we could probably FIRE in 7 years or so. But for us, this house was never the forever home, its too small and the location isnt ideal either so we came up with some basic rules of what we were willing to compromise on and what our goals are.

We came up with 2 simple rules:

- Be able to retire by 50 (if we wanted to)
- The house had to justify extending our FI date (i.e. has to be in the right location, long term 'forever' home, more space)

It was a bit of a challenge finding a property which met our needs within budget, we viewed a lot of houses probably 15-20 over 3 months to get a real idea of what we liked. Boy do you realise pictures are not reliable! We were originally looking at 4 bed houses as we also wanted space but on the off chance we saw a lovely bungalow pop up in the perfect location for us (school & family), I wasnt even interested at first but my wife said lets take a look anyway. It was obviously smaller than the 4 bed houses and it was also only a 3 bed but the location was just out of this world and the property flowed really well in terms of space despite its smaller floorspace, 2 large south facing gardens (corner plot) a big drive, lots of privacy no houses opposite etc.. We could really see ourselves spending the rest of our lives there.

Over the last 6 months interest rates have just been going up and up, house sales slowed significantly, some prices dropped although not all, we had our offer accepted about 3 and half months ago and I would say that now we are probably slighltly overpaying for the bungalow considering the market conditions, maybe by 10k. Its been a tough ride and the financials have played on my mind but at the end of the day I dont view it as an investment, I'm not buying to sell it and if the seller isnt budging on the price am I going to walk away from something that ticks so many boxes just because the market says X. No, this is why we set the goals and budgets out at the start, its within budget and meets all of our needs, we havent seen anything even close for us within our budget so whilst id maybe get a better deal elsewhere I wont be anywhere near as happy!

I would say sit down and come up with some simple rules that you are both happy with to make sure you would still be on course for any life goals and the property delivers what you are looking for. It doesnt have to be a long list (this can make it prohibitive) then if/when you find something you like you know you are making the right decision (or wrong one). It might be useful for you both to write a list of things you would like (low maintenance, price, location etc..) Then seperately each of you put a number from 1-5 against each point as to whats most important, then reveal your scores and combine them and it should give an idea of what your highest priorities are.

Property is definitely one of those things everyone has an opinion on, mostly I think because it is usually the largest asset people own, there is an unhealthy obsession with houses being an investment and people treat it as such. The amount of times my boss has mentioned, 'house prices are dropping you know' like im going to put my life on hold to time a market or snag a 'deal' on a house I dont want just because its a 'good deal' financially to make money, this is completely wrong approach.

Sorry didnt realise how long a post this was!!!

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Re: A good time to move for us, or not?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2023, 06:59:46 AM »
Would it improve your quality of life to move? If you discounted the economics would you choose to move?

If you have a compelling reason to move, I wonder whether trying to time the housing market is akin to timing the stock market - just ignore it?

I’ve always treated our home as just that - not an asset, rather somewhere to actually live. Regardless of whether its value goes up or down. Others think differently. Neither is right nor wrong.


I have to agree with this post, we are in the process of buying a bungalow and hopefully will complete by the end of August. We are borrowing an additional £173000 at 4.34% (we got this rate locked in a while ago) which will probably increase our housing costs from 13% of take home to about 33% of our take home.

It has weighed on us heavily, we debated a whole year before deciding we wished to move as our current mortgage is fixed at 2.2% with 9 years left (thankfully porting) which means we could probably FIRE in 7 years or so. But for us, this house was never the forever home, its too small and the location isnt ideal either so we came up with some basic rules of what we were willing to compromise on and what our goals are.

We came up with 2 simple rules:

- Be able to retire by 50 (if we wanted to)
- The house had to justify extending our FI date (i.e. has to be in the right location, long term 'forever' home, more space)

It was a bit of a challenge finding a property which met our needs within budget, we viewed a lot of houses probably 15-20 over 3 months to get a real idea of what we liked. Boy do you realise pictures are not reliable! We were originally looking at 4 bed houses as we also wanted space but on the off chance we saw a lovely bungalow pop up in the perfect location for us (school & family), I wasnt even interested at first but my wife said lets take a look anyway. It was obviously smaller than the 4 bed houses and it was also only a 3 bed but the location was just out of this world and the property flowed really well in terms of space despite its smaller floorspace, 2 large south facing gardens (corner plot) a big drive, lots of privacy no houses opposite etc.. We could really see ourselves spending the rest of our lives there.

Over the last 6 months interest rates have just been going up and up, house sales slowed significantly, some prices dropped although not all, we had our offer accepted about 3 and half months ago and I would say that now we are probably slighltly overpaying for the bungalow considering the market conditions, maybe by 10k. Its been a tough ride and the financials have played on my mind but at the end of the day I dont view it as an investment, I'm not buying to sell it and if the seller isnt budging on the price am I going to walk away from something that ticks so many boxes just because the market says X. No, this is why we set the goals and budgets out at the start, its within budget and meets all of our needs, we havent seen anything even close for us within our budget so whilst id maybe get a better deal elsewhere I wont be anywhere near as happy!

I would say sit down and come up with some simple rules that you are both happy with to make sure you would still be on course for any life goals and the property delivers what you are looking for. It doesnt have to be a long list (this can make it prohibitive) then if/when you find something you like you know you are making the right decision (or wrong one). It might be useful for you both to write a list of things you would like (low maintenance, price, location etc..) Then seperately each of you put a number from 1-5 against each point as to whats most important, then reveal your scores and combine them and it should give an idea of what your highest priorities are.

Property is definitely one of those things everyone has an opinion on, mostly I think because it is usually the largest asset people own, there is an unhealthy obsession with houses being an investment and people treat it as such. The amount of times my boss has mentioned, 'house prices are dropping you know' like im going to put my life on hold to time a market or snag a 'deal' on a house I dont want just because its a 'good deal' financially to make money, this is completely wrong approach.

Sorry didnt realise how long a post this was!!!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and journey, Affable Bear. I am glad you have found the right place for you.. it sounds like it was definitely the winner!

We're definitely not about the investment side of it, if I'm honest, we both overthink a lot ( though we try not to!) and have only moved once, eighteen years ago so I think we're just trying to make sure it's as smooth as possible and we don't do something we might regret later. We both have chronic health conditions so we're aware the moving side of it will probably be stressful on that side too.

We live in a really good location but the house just is too old and in need of DIY for our skills so we will be moving, probably in the spring.we have a good idea of joint high priorities but I like your idea of listing them out.

We'll update at some point, hopefully when we're at the other side of the process.

All the best for your move too!

 

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