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« Reply #2200 on: April 25, 2017, 11:43:13 PM »
So, Im doing w30, with  an exception, I allow myself corn chips. I dont binge on them and I love them with guacamole which is very filling for me. But I completed 2 days! yay!

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« Reply #2201 on: April 26, 2017, 07:00:31 PM »
Non gluten grains came back today. 
M1: had oatmeal, plus a couple eggs+spinach to try and maintain a template-ish meal.
M2: tortilla chips and salsa as a side dish.
M3: made some yummy pecan rice to go with my steak and Brussels sprouts.

No noticeable physical impact.  So I guess I'm ok with corn, oats and rice.

I'm trying to figure out if you add something back in, what does it push off your plate?  Does anyone know?

N: I love the chips with fresh salsa or guac too.  Some people dip veggies instead of chips.  Have you tried that?

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« Reply #2202 on: April 26, 2017, 07:07:07 PM »
Still plugging along over here! Was hoping my nose stuffiness would have gone away by now, since I would be at nearly 30 days if we hadn't reset over Easter. Ah well, still chugging along. I do think I'll have a very hard time with the no alcohol if I'm not pregnant again this cycle. A commiseration glass of wine or whiskey has really been my big silver lining to this whole crapshoot so far.
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« Reply #2203 on: April 27, 2017, 03:34:38 AM »
Reintroductions going well.  Dairy was fine, non-gluten grains fine, avocado fine -- no symptoms. 

Wheat didn't produce any of the allergy symptoms I'd been having (hives, red itchy skin and eyes) but it made me feel bloated and a little crappy.  Lesson -- either eliminate or eat very little wheat.  Body does not like it somehow.  I'm fine with that -- I can live without it. 

Starting on eggs today.  Very curious about this one. 

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« Reply #2204 on: April 29, 2017, 05:44:45 AM »
Whoa Nellie!  Had my first interesting result on the re-intros.  Eggs are a big problem.   No itching/hives, but I got fairly severe nausea, general feelings of sickness.  Crystal clear message from my body that I should not be eating those. 

WTH?  I have always eaten eggs and how could I not know this?   

This is a bummer, as I relied on eggs for cheap healthy protein (we have our own chickens!), but I am very glad to know it.  Eggs are now out for good.  The W30 AIP has been worth it just for this one result alone.   


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« Reply #2205 on: April 29, 2017, 08:51:03 AM »
Whoa Nellie!  Had my first interesting result on the re-intros.  Eggs are a big problem.   No itching/hives, but I got fairly severe nausea, general feelings of sickness.  Crystal clear message from my body that I should not be eating those. 

WTH?  I have always eaten eggs and how could I not know this?   

This is a bummer, as I relied on eggs for cheap healthy protein (we have our own chickens!), but I am very glad to know it.  Eggs are now out for good.  The W30 AIP has been worth it just for this one result alone.

WOW. Glad you got an answer! Even if it's *really* not a fun one. =( But hey, actionable! That's awesome.
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« Reply #2206 on: April 29, 2017, 03:51:32 PM »
That's wild, Trifele!  But I've read tales of others with surprise learnings, so you're not the only one.

I re-intro'd legumes today.  Had a handful of "clean" peanuts at breakfast and felt a tad headachy all morning.  Ate some veggies with hummus at lunch and it got worse, plus I had some stomach gurgling.  I decided to hold off on black beans with dinner so I can get back to feeling normal first.  I don't eat many legumes other than peanuts so I don't much care if I never eat chickpeas again.  But it was unexpected.

So technically my re-intro is done.  I want to test a few more things, though. My "further investigation" list is:
Bread
Peanuts/peanut butter
Black beans

I want to try them in a more normal setting, as I'd typically eat them, rather than forced into 3 meals.  I'm going to go ahead and let dairy and non gluten grains back in to regular rotation, and test the others again.

I'm also curious about soy, so will probably cook my eggs in soybean oil sometime next week.

I do know that sugar gives me headaches (knew before W30) especially in more concentrated forms.  I ate a single bite of going-away cake last week and felt headachy.  And it wasn't that great tasting, so not worth it.

I'm traveling yet again next week, and my plan is to eat template-ish, no desserts or sweets, and without worrying about oils used or trace sugar in ingredients.

I am putting ice cream on my waffles tomorrow morning.  :-)))))

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« Reply #2207 on: April 30, 2017, 03:44:39 AM »

I am putting ice cream on my waffles tomorrow morning.  :-)))))

Congrats on nearing the end Weedy Acres, and I like how you eat breakfast.  :)

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« Reply #2208 on: April 30, 2017, 06:08:07 AM »
Whoa Nellie!  Had my first interesting result on the re-intros.  Eggs are a big problem.   No itching/hives, but I got fairly severe nausea, general feelings of sickness.  Crystal clear message from my body that I should not be eating those. 

WTH?  I have always eaten eggs and how could I not know this?   

This is a bummer, as I relied on eggs for cheap healthy protein (we have our own chickens!), but I am very glad to know it.  Eggs are now out for good.  The W30 AIP has been worth it just for this one result alone.

WOW. Glad you got an answer! Even if it's *really* not a fun one. =( But hey, actionable! That's awesome.

Thanks, Bracken_Joy -- I agree.  Better to know and deal with it! 

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« Reply #2209 on: April 30, 2017, 07:40:00 AM »
Guys. I got dairy'd =(

Neighbors invited us over for a game night, as they were having some friends over. Husband talked to me ahead of time and we decided he was going to go off whole30 and have a beer. He was only ever doing it to support me, and really wanted the beer+social outlet. (They've bonded over beer in the past, and we rightly guessed that neighbor would have gotten a special beer for him to try).

Anyway, we didn't realize once stuff got pulled of the grill we would all sit down and eat together. And since I was playing with hostess' kiddo, she made me a plate. And a glass of wine. And she so, so sweetly didn't get any grains, and there was no soy.... but she forgot about the dairy and TBH I just wasn't going to mention it. She was being so kind and we're *really* trying to nurture this friendship.

I know, fundamentally, that's all excuses. And it's absurd really, since dairy was my main question mark going into the whole30. So far I feel fine. (It was a fair bit of dairy though- like, a cream sauce for the asparagus and meat, and lots of cream and butter on the asparagus. And then a glass of red wine. Again, I wasn't going to reject it- it was a local Pinot that they saved from their wedding from the vineyard where they got married to open for the party).

Maybe my view will change as time goes on, but as it stands right now, I can't picture doing a SECOND half way restart in a row. I think I might just finish out this w30 like nothing happened, and give it a break. That'll still mean like 40-45 days of whole 30 with 2 disturbances. I imagine we'll come back and try for a perfect one at some point, but I'm running out of steam for heavy avoidance. As you can see, things like dinner parties I don't do well with haha. And that's normally our approach- we do great at home, and one on one with friends, but larger groups and families we just normally don't fuss about it.
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« Reply #2210 on: May 07, 2017, 07:12:54 AM »
How is everyone doing? 
@Trifele: any more findings on the re-intro front?
@Bracken: I'm sure you can still learn stuff from an imperfect W30.  I think the biggest potential downside is that your gut doesn't completely heal if it has been ailing you, because you interrupt the healing.  So it's better to do a mostly W30 than none at all.
@N: are you still with us?

I've allowed dairy and non gluten grains back in whenever they want, and am doing a slow roll on other specific things.  I traveled this week again, so had some conference food and restaurant food. 

I ate a template Chinese meal: roast pork and choi sam (leafy green) and had some post nasal drip afterwards (needed to clear throat, blow nose) I believe from the soy.  I want to test it one more time at home, cooking something in soybean oil, and if confirmed I'll probably avoid cooking with it anymore.  It's not a huge inconvenience, so I won't be Nazi about it when eating out, but it's a good example of how re-intro helps you ID "less healthy" stuff and decide how to handle it.

I've also eaten a few more breads (roll with lunch, Panera bread with dinner) and been fine, though I think it makes my belly swell a bit.  I'm going to do some more experiments with gluten to nail it down. And then decide how often to eat it.

And legumes, the one thing that definitely gave me a negative experience....we had a reception that included chickpea hummus, white bean hummus, and some mini pastries with black beans and avocado.  I avoided the chickpeas, had small servings of the 2 bean things and felt a mild response.  I still plan to test black beans and peanuts separately, from a clean eating standpoint.  Maybe later this week, since I'm not traveling.

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« Reply #2211 on: May 07, 2017, 08:46:42 AM »
Husband and I had a conversation, and decided to just start our re-intro. While I am bummed about our 2 failures (easter weekend, the neighbor's BBQ), we did start April 2nd, and so have been going a long time! We opted to try alcohol first, since we missed it, and neither of us have had any fallout from wine, cider, or whiskey. Night before last we did rice. I did well, overshare: it actually seemed to firm up my BM a bit the next day, which is the right direction for me, although husband felt a bit bloated the next day which was unexpected. We're going to test again with the rice. We will do corn separate, since I'm pretty sure I have issues with corn. (My popcorn, nooooooo... what will I say to my air popper?!). We're going to do dairy as the very last thing, so I have as much time off it as possible before trying to reintro. Frankly, I won't bother with a controlled intro of soy for me. I know I have issues with it, BIG time. Only one I will do I guess is check dark chocolate with soy lecithin- I've never seemed to have issues with it in the past, but hey, I have found I can find some chocolate with sunflower lecitihin instead so if it is problematic that isn't the end of the world. And of course, gluten and legume reintros. I need to sit down with husband and plan out when and how we'll do what, rather than our current plan of 'well we know diary is last...' Haha.
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« Reply #2212 on: May 08, 2017, 03:11:48 AM »
Hey everybody
I'm still doing reintroductions. I did corn, and I'm not sure . . . Just like with wheat, this was a 'maybe' result.   Felt a little 'under the weather' but not sure if it was the corn.  So I'm going back to template eating for three days and then try corn again.
There are a few things I am not going to reintroduce at all, because I already know they are a problem:  beans, lentils, and white potatoes. 
Still on the list for reintroduction: honey, peanuts, peppers, tomatoes, broccoli, strawberries. 
Hope everyone has a good day.  :)
   

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« Reply #2213 on: May 09, 2017, 07:16:26 AM »
Posting to follow. Mrs Axe proposed Whole 30 this weekend, and we're seriously considering it. Alcohol will be a challenge, but it's something I've wanted to do for a while, anyway. The one I'm really struggling with is dairy. I really enjoy my home-made Instant Pot Greek yogurt, and it's had some very positive effects on my middle-aged digestion. Planning to read through the thread and try to understand how big a deal it would be to make up my own rules for what is in and what is out.

As long as we stick to the rules for 30 days, the effects of elimination on the stuff we cut still works, right?

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« Reply #2214 on: May 09, 2017, 08:25:48 AM »

As long as we stick to the rules for 30 days, the effects of elimination on the stuff we cut still works, right?

yes-ish...Dairy can cause a whole host of issues though, breathing sinus congestion, sore throat, phlegm build-up, headaches, indigestion, heartburn, tummy upset....

So even if you have a very mild issue with dairy it can make isolating anything else you have issues with harder. The idea is to reset your whole system so you can get accurate data.

Kimchi (watch ingredients) pickles, sour kraut, Kombucha are all good ways of getting some good little bacteria into your system.

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« Reply #2215 on: May 09, 2017, 08:45:52 AM »
It's only 30 days without dairy. So, if all goes well, you will have more than 180 days left (assuming you finish the W30 by end June) to enjoy your Greek yogurt this year. 

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« Reply #2216 on: May 14, 2017, 08:00:48 PM »
Posting to join along.  I started my 2nd Whole30 on May 1st.  Weirdly, the food this 2nd time around seems harder than the first?  Or at least I'm just less creative?  I have been relying on a lot of "boring meals" -- every week I make a batch of compliant tomato/meat sauce and I eat that with zucchini for at least 4 meals (I really like it!).  I am also loving Mel Jouwan's sunshine sauce, so I have that with chicken and veggies a lot.   When I did Whole30 the first time, I think I made at least 5 new recipes a week!

But mentally, I feel good. I don't feel deprived or sad like I did the first time.  Last Friday we took a little work outing to this awesome sandwich shop, I went for the walk and the company and I wasn't even thinking about how I couldn't get a sandwich--was happy to come back to the office and eat my curry chicken salad for lunch.

This time around I also feel like I get random..hot flashes? Like I feel sweatier even though I'm not.  I'm definitely sleeping better so the NSVs are really inspiring!


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« Reply #2217 on: May 27, 2017, 11:35:11 PM »
Ive been off and on all May. We went out of town and stayed in a condo with another family. They live on dairy and gluten, it seems like :) So we had family meals, and I modified mine, and added tons of veggies, but I still cheated some. Dairy seems like my worst reaction-stuffed nose, sinus pain, scalp issues and sometimes itching attacks everywhere. I thought I did really well, actually, but I had gained 8 lbs in 6 days. I immediately returned to w30 (+ corn chips) have been dropping about 1 lb a day since. I think its general inflammation. When Im strict, I consistently lose weight.

I was so frustrated, because a day or two before we left, I had reached a milestone of 50 lbs lost, and then seeing the scale after vacation...ugh. I even did a ton of walking that week, and swimming, too. Just drives home that dairy and grains arent my friends. Id like to still lose another 70 or 75 lbs, but I know its not going to work as the result of a diet, it has to be a lifestyle change. My hope is that the longer I eat this way, the more habituated I will be to it, and the less I will crave or want the things that make me feel bad.

in some respects, this is already true. My mindset has changed a lot wrt what to eat for meals, packing lunches, etc. no more sandwiches with bread, muffins, or cereal for breakfast or a snack. I am making better choices and better choices more often over all.

I enjoy reading this thread and everyones posts about their experiences and process. Thanks for being here and sharing!

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« Reply #2218 on: May 28, 2017, 05:56:32 PM »
I figured I'd check in 30 days post W30, now that I've fleshed out the "riding my own bike" stuff.  The only problems I found with re-intros was legumes.  It's still on my list to try peanut butter or peanuts again, just to make sure, but every time I contemplate the headachy potential, I have some excuse for why now isn't a convenient time for that. 

So dairy, gluten, and grains are back in, though I eat less cheese and bread than before.  And thankfully, after a couple weeks my poop got back to normal, which it wasn't during W30.

Habits I'm keeping:
1. Minimal sugar.  Aside from small sugar in condiments, bacon, etc, and the ice cream on my Sunday waffles (definitely in the "worth it" category for me), I steer clear.  I didn't eat a lot before, but now my only dessert is fruit.
2.  Avoid processed foods.  I'm making my own meatballs, sausage, and whole wheat bread, since none are too hard, and it beats the processed crap with ingredients I can't control. 
3. Eating template.  I'm keeping up the veggie volumes, but I do have grains back in on occasion.
4.  Cooking fats.  I'm straight olive and coconut oil now, plus I use butter.  Canola, soybean, etc. are gone.

I haven't lost any further weight.  In fact I think I might have gained back a few pounds.  Did W30 change my life?  I'd say no, as I ate pretty healthy before, and felt pretty good.  But if was an interesting experience.  And who knew legumes didn't agree with me?

I'm curious with some of the others how the re-intros went and any discoveries. Dying to know if Trifele can eat tomatoes.  :-)

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« Reply #2219 on: May 29, 2017, 04:02:20 AM »
Great to hear you are back to normal Weedy!

I am more than a month post-W30 and still doing reintroductions.  Haven't done tomatoes yet.   I had some rough experiences with the introductions and learned the hard way that for the iffy ones I need to do those on a weekend -- not on a work day -- in case I get really sick.  Tomatoes and peppers are high on my list of risky re-entries.  I think tomatoes will be next weekend. 

So far -- eggs are out.  That one took a long time, because after my initial bad reaction to the eggs, I had to take a few days to re-set, then I tried just egg whites, and then duck eggs.   Answer -- I can handle a small amount of egg white, but big no on the whole duck eggs, similar reaction to chicken eggs.  So I will be ok eating baked goods that contain egg white, in moderation.  But no whole eggs of any kind.

My other big result from re-intros was a week ago when I tried to add back peanut butter.  Holy shit was that an awful scene.  I ate some before work, and then ended up vomiting and having horrible diarrhea a couple hours later.  I felt sick for two days after that.   Definite, absolute no on the peanuts.  Wow.

Here's the thing I wonder about though . . . I was eating peanuts before, so obviously I had built up my 'defenses' against them.   Is it possibly a bad thing that I have now lowered those defenses?   Have I actually weakened myself?  Or is it a good thing to eliminate a food like that because it is doing low-level damage to you, even after you reach a point of tolerance?

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« Reply #2220 on: May 29, 2017, 08:23:24 AM »
Great to hear you are back to normal Weedy!

I am more than a month post-W30 and still doing reintroductions.  Haven't done tomatoes yet.   I had some rough experiences with the introductions and learned the hard way that for the iffy ones I need to do those on a weekend -- not on a work day -- in case I get really sick.  Tomatoes and peppers are high on my list of risky re-entries.  I think tomatoes will be next weekend. 

So far -- eggs are out.  That one took a long time, because after my initial bad reaction to the eggs, I had to take a few days to re-set, then I tried just egg whites, and then duck eggs.   Answer -- I can handle a small amount of egg white, but big no on the whole duck eggs, similar reaction to chicken eggs.  So I will be ok eating baked goods that contain egg white, in moderation.  But no whole eggs of any kind.

My other big result from re-intros was a week ago when I tried to add back peanut butter.  Holy shit was that an awful scene.  I ate some before work, and then ended up vomiting and having horrible diarrhea a couple hours later.  I felt sick for two days after that.   Definite, absolute no on the peanuts.  Wow.

Here's the thing I wonder about though . . . I was eating peanuts before, so obviously I had built up my 'defenses' against them.   Is it possibly a bad thing that I have now lowered those defenses?   Have I actually weakened myself?  Or is it a good thing to eliminate a food like that because it is doing low-level damage to you, even after you reach a point of tolerance?

Onward!

I've wondered/worried about this myself. I'm going to try my best to type out the thoughts/findings on this stuff, so you guys can pick apart my thoughts and help me understand this too!
For some things, like dairy, we know the body up or down regulates enzymes based on the level of use they're getting. So some people will have a lactose-intolerance like reaction to large quantities of dairy when first re-introduced, but smaller intro's or subsequent ones won't have the same reaction. Think when vegetarians first come back to eating meat as an example as well. This is a question of downregulation of enzymes, so no real damage going on long term. But the symptoms are pretty classically 'low enzyme/wrong bacteria', ie, gas and GI distress. Things like foggy headedness, headaches, acne, sleep disturbances, none of that should flow from a low enzyme situation since there isn't really any mechanism I can fathom there. Oh, another great example here is people who eat beans who don't often- 'beans beans the magical fruit, the more you eat the more you toot', and yet people who consume beans often and at high levels do NOT have gas at higher rates than other people. I think this mainly applies to foods that require special enzymes to break them down, in particular 'difficult' proteins to break down. Something like taking out JUST spinach, but keeping other leafy greens, shouldn't in theory produce a GI reaction like taking out dairy would, because the machinery would not downregulate, since something similar still exists in the diet.
(Bacteria are also part of this, and they follow a similar although much more complicated up/downregulation pattern. This is key to people tolerating things like high levels of roughage consumption regularly, and also have been shown to respond to macro shifts- higher or lower carbs).
So then we have the other type of intolerance, immune-modulated intolerances. These are obviously the ones we're MOST concerned with. And as far as I know, the basic principal is that once an immune impression is there, most exposures more highly sensitizes you. So my thoughts are, JUST GI reactions mean I should do small amounts, stair step the quantities, and see if I tolerate it then. If I have any non-GI issues (rashes, cognitive changes, so on), then this to me points more to an immune modulated response and that indicates a true intolerance.

I would LOVE other people's thoughts on this as well, since I've just cobbled together the science and mechanisms in my brain to the best of my ability. I haven't found any good scientifically rigorous discussions on this topic directly, so nothing I'm able to just defer to =\
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« Reply #2221 on: May 29, 2017, 03:14:26 PM »
Hi Bracken_Joy

I think you did a nice job articulating this issue!  I think you may be right about there being two different issues here -- (1) the low/wrong enzyme issue which leads to some GI problems, and (2) Immune system responses, which I guess can take different forms.  My gut tells me (pun intended) that I have some of both going on during these reintroductions.  (For the record I have had true, immune-response food allergies since I was a kid.  I carefully avoid the foods I am allergic to, and in the past 40 years I have had a dangerous reaction/life-threatening situation three times -- all three times the result of eating food at a restaurant or a dish-to-pass situation, where I was not in control of the ingredients).  In my experience my food allergy symptoms are variable:  With some of them I get an immediate, go-to-the-hospital-right-now reaction of vomiting, diarrhea, wheezing, swelling, etc.   With other foods I am allergic to, nothing happens immediately, but there is a delayed reaction of itching and hives that shows up about 1-2 days later. 

On these W30 reintroductions, I'd say the gluten grains was category #1 -- I felt a bit bloated and gassy, but not sick per se.  I am chalking that up to an enzyme issue.  I have been building back up the amount of wheat I eat and I feel fine.  For the eggs and the peanuts, on the other hand, I was sick -- putting those two into category #2.  I didn't have any respiratory issues, but with both I had nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea.  Both of these responses felt to me like true allergy issues, with the peanuts worse than the eggs.

My whole reason for doing the Whole 30 was to identify some mystery food which was causing me severe itching and hives.  So far none of my re-introductions have caused itching or hives, but I suppose the eggs or the peanuts could have been the culprit.  I may just not have eaten them long enough on the reintroduction to cause the delayed hives reaction(?) Maybe my body just reacted with a faster immune response this time because of the W30 "re-set"(?)

These are tough issues to try to figure out.  And as far as I can tell, we are on our own.  From my researches on the web it does not look like anyone else has figured these things out . . .
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« Reply #2222 on: May 30, 2017, 07:57:26 PM »
Bracken, your explanation is more cogent than those in the W30 forums.  The typical answer is that the stomach has a "protective lining" that sheds when you eat W30, leaving your stomach more vulnerable when you re-intro.  They talk as though this linng is a bad thing.  The enzyme/bacteria explanation makes a bit more sense to me.

Trifele, here are some posts that exemplify the typical answers:
http://forum.whole30.com/topic/38374-bloating-stomach-cramps-after-reintroducing-greek-yogurt/
http://forum.whole30.com/topic/42349-oversensitivity-after-whole-30/
http://forum.whole30.com/topic/43326-typical-dairy-reintro-reaction-or-fodmap-complication/
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« Reply #2223 on: June 14, 2017, 10:37:06 AM »
Bracken, your explanation is more cogent than those in the W30 forums.  The typical answer is that the stomach has a "protective lining" that sheds when you eat W30, leaving your stomach more vulnerable when you re-intro.  They talk as though this linng is a bad thing.  The enzyme/bacteria explanation makes a bit more sense to me.

Trifele, here are some posts that exemplify the typical answers:
http://forum.whole30.com/topic/38374-bloating-stomach-cramps-after-reintroducing-greek-yogurt/
http://forum.whole30.com/topic/42349-oversensitivity-after-whole-30/
http://forum.whole30.com/topic/43326-typical-dairy-reintro-reaction-or-fodmap-complication/

Your stomach does have a protective lining...but if you "shed" it, ulcers are sure to follow. I definitely would not listen to medical explanations from those folks.

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« Reply #2224 on: June 17, 2017, 10:39:02 AM »
Started Tuesday and it's going very well so far. Has definitely improved our desire to eat out - it's such a difficult landscape to navigate when someone else is cooking for you, just so much easier to skip it. Don't miss the alcohol, but I miss dairy. Seems pretty easy so far, our biggest challenge is finding compliant condiments. I will probably make a batch of homemade ketchup once the tomatoes come in. I think doing this in summer is a lot easier as there is a lot of great produce and fruit in season.

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« Reply #2225 on: June 17, 2017, 03:17:17 PM »
I cannot for the life of me complete a second whole30. I did one, and my results were fantastic, but why oh why don't I want that for myself again?
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« Reply #2226 on: June 18, 2017, 06:17:03 PM »
I haven't had the chance to read through the 40+ pages here, but I have been feeling very blech lately and it often gets worse after I eat, so I think some resetting is in order, so I'm going to give this a go.  I also haven't been doing as well as I wanted to on the cutting back alcohol front, so I think it's good to go cold turkey for a bit. 

I still have more reading to do, but I think I'm going to personally make the modification of not following the "no legumes" rule.  First, most of my meals are vegetarian and dropping beans might be too restrictive.  Second, based on my personal experience, I do not feel good after eating meat but feel excellent after a bean-heavy meal, so it isn't high on my list of "potentially suspicious" foods.  Open to good reasons why I shouldn't do this, though. 

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« Reply #2227 on: June 19, 2017, 05:15:01 AM »
LadyStache's comment just made me a bit curious about something. What is the mindset/experience you all had during the course of the Whole30? I've seen some pleasure with the results, and the things learned, but I haven't seen much about the journey itself. It seems to me that many people are sucking it up and doing this to either try it, or to get to some end result.

I know this is a touch different than standard voluntary discomfort, since the Whole30 is designed to be more temporary, but I've just got this sense that people do Whole30 in spite of the restrictions, not embracing them for 30 days. Also, there is the whole timeline thing in which your body is adjusting, and Tiger Blood isn't the first step. So how many people have jumped into this with a super fun outlook, stoked to try experimenting, and the end result was also cool?

I know that I had a blast doing my Whole20 or whatever abbreviated version I did, mostly because coming up with new recipes without my "go-to's" was hard, but "Dammit! I can make something great!".
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« Reply #2228 on: June 24, 2017, 11:40:39 AM »
Started a new W30 Thursday! This time my best friends (a married couple J &M) are doing it too! They are scientists and so excited to examine their relationship with food and figure out their food reactions. I am so excited to have real life friends along on this ride. The 3 of us are super interested in experimenting with our diets and charting how we react to certain foods.

Another bonus: I am about to go back to work on July 3 (after a 3 month LOA) so I figured now is the time to take action. Since my last W30 attempt I got married and got gifted: A Ninja blender, a kitchen aid mixer and an InstaPot. We also bought a veggie spiralizer.

Day 1-3: Going super well. I got foods from Wegmans, our new Trader Joe's and The Fresh Market. I had a lot of the oil and fat staples from my last try. Decided to try new ingredients I don't ever buy so I got coconut aminos, riced cauliflower, cabbage, compliant prosciutto, cashew butter and artichoke hearts to try out. I also am loving avocados now :D Swapping recipes with J&M rocks since they inspire me to try new foods and we're all great cooks. It's very fun and supportive. They're coming to spend all of tomorrow with us so it'll be a  W30 extravaganza with fresh pineapple in lieu of a birthday cake.

So far my only negative was a caffeine headache the last few day although today it is much better. Only thing I miss is not having any form of cracker or chip for my cashew butter and salsas. I tried celery and cashew butter and could only manage a few bites. So a great start overall. :)

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« Reply #2229 on: June 28, 2017, 05:05:27 AM »
Final update here -- Just finished my last reintroduction (from the W30 I started on March 17.  I did very slow, individual re-introductions, trying to identify the cause of allergy symptoms).   Tomatoes and peppers went fine.  No problems.  Very relieved, as I dearly love them both!

So I believe my allergy symptoms were probably caused by peanuts/peanut butter.   I am eliminating those forever.

Thank you to the group who supported me through that!  I really appreciate it. :)

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« Reply #2230 on: June 28, 2017, 09:54:43 PM »
I haven't had the chance to read through the 40+ pages here, but I have been feeling very blech lately and it often gets worse after I eat, so I think some resetting is in order, so I'm going to give this a go.  I also haven't been doing as well as I wanted to on the cutting back alcohol front, so I think it's good to go cold turkey for a bit. 

I still have more reading to do, but I think I'm going to personally make the modification of not following the "no legumes" rule.  First, most of my meals are vegetarian and dropping beans might be too restrictive.  Second, based on my personal experience, I do not feel good after eating meat but feel excellent after a bean-heavy meal, so it isn't high on my list of "potentially suspicious" foods.  Open to good reasons why I shouldn't do this, though.

You may have found it by now, but there is a vegetarian Whole30 shopping list here:  https://whole30.com/downloads/whole30-veg-shopping-list.pdf

One thing I learned from my first, albeit imperfect, round, was that certain beans agree with me, but kidney beans do not, and I avoid them now.  From the reading I've done, the smaller beans and lentils are better, so it might be worth cutting out any favas, kidney or lima beans and their ilk for a bit and seeing if you react to them any differently than the smaller legumes.

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« Reply #2231 on: July 02, 2017, 03:09:15 PM »
I just popped back in to see if anyone had updated.  So glad to hear from Trifele that tomatoes are ok. 

I did try peanut butter and also black beans (in a wonderful salsa I make) and was fine with both.  So I'm now thinking that it was just the hummus.  Or possibly the tahini in the hummus. 

I'm now working on a friend who eats crap and she and her kids are always sick.  I'm encouraging her to eat more veggies and have her over regularly to teach her how to cook them. She told me she suffers from extreme constipation and is always taking laxatives.  I gave her a piece of homemade whole wheat bread and it cleaned her right out.  How some people suffer so long with the repercussions of a crappy diet I'll never know.

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« Reply #2232 on: July 14, 2017, 10:04:02 AM »
A couple things:

1. Husband and I will be embarking on our second whole30 soon. My skin was the best it's ever been on w30, and he leaned out a lot (impressive, since our baseline diet is already very good and he's extremely active/fit). We're still TTC, too, and it's an "easy" option for feeling like we're doing something to help.

2. Trader Joe's currently has a whole30 compliant chocolate bar, depending on your take on the 'rules'. Anywhoo, it's "Montezuma's 100% cocoa solids Dark Chocolate Absolute Black with Cocoa Nibs". It has zero stabilizers, etc, containing only chocolate liquor and cocoa nibs. Tastes a bit like bitter dirt, but hey, it's chocolate and it will sure as hell not set off a sugar craving ;) haha. I'm not a big fan, but husband likes it a lot now, so YMMV.
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« Reply #2233 on: July 14, 2017, 11:40:19 PM »
Ohh, I'm going to check out those chocolate bars!  I have been eating Bakers brand 100% which is, shall we say.. an "acquired" taste.


I have been meaning to do a W30 soon, too.  I had surgery a few weeks ago and have been having a hard time getting around, so I've been having more meals out of convenience instead of health.  I finally made it to the store though!  I have all weekend to cook, so I will start my W30 Saturday, July 15 and my last day will be Monday, Aug 14.

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« Reply #2234 on: July 15, 2017, 09:15:19 AM »
I think the plan is next week, we'll do 'w30 lite' and start transitioning to/using up other foods (already doing this to a degree). Then we have a week long trip, where there will be communal meals, so food options will be hosed. Then we'll get back home and do a w30 for real.

One of my big goals this time is I want to see if I can reach "Wahls Protocol" levels of veggies =) This means- 9 cups of veggies. 3 green, 3 cruciferous, 3 colorful. I've actually achieved this at times in the past, but it's dropped way off over the years!

Other challenge will be more diversity in foods this time. I do like the meals plans we did last time, and a couple of those dishes have actually stayed in our permanent rotation, but that means we'll be more prone to get tired of them this time! This'll take some planning!
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« Reply #2235 on: July 15, 2017, 01:46:04 PM »
Wow that's a lot of veg!  The only times I've thought I hit those requirements were when I was eating quite a bit of squash or berries (I think Terri counts colorful fruits towards the 3 cups).  I do hit the greens requirement and cruciferous on most days through my lunch salad.  It's great to have a tough goal like that, will you try to hit it each 24 hour period or are you aiming to reach that level on average?

My first day is going great.  Eggs and sauerkraut down the hatch for first meal, then cooked up kale & chard with onion and garlic, pre-prepared three huge salads (2x 2.5qt and 1x 3qt container), put seasoned Brussels sprouts & zucchini in the oven, and prepped a 3.5lb salmon with lemon and rosemary which is waiting to go in when they are done.  I have a lb of pork sausage thawing which I'll use next week to cook a 12 egg frittata with veg, 1.5lb beef heart thawing to roast with onions, carrots, & celery next week, and a few yams I'll roast at some point this weekend. 

Stocked household staples include sauerkraut, kimchi, olives, carrots/celery, onions, yams, lots of frozen veg and berries, canned fish, cooking and eating oils, 100% dark chocolate, raw mixed nuts, and a variety of dried herbs and spices.  Also looking at a bag of granny smith apples and a lb of strawberries on the counter.  I was late getting my tomatoes in this year but they are ripening, and I will be drowning in them within the next few weeks.  Anybody have a good W30 compliant tomato dominant recipe they'd like to share?

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« Reply #2236 on: July 15, 2017, 03:39:09 PM »
Wow that's a lot of veg!  The only times I've thought I hit those requirements were when I was eating quite a bit of squash or berries (I think Terri counts colorful fruits towards the 3 cups).  I do hit the greens requirement and cruciferous on most days through my lunch salad.  It's great to have a tough goal like that, will you try to hit it each 24 hour period or are you aiming to reach that level on average?

My first day is going great.  Eggs and sauerkraut down the hatch for first meal, then cooked up kale & chard with onion and garlic, pre-prepared three huge salads (2x 2.5qt and 1x 3qt container), put seasoned Brussels sprouts & zucchini in the oven, and prepped a 3.5lb salmon with lemon and rosemary which is waiting to go in when they are done.  I have a lb of pork sausage thawing which I'll use next week to cook a 12 egg frittata with veg, 1.5lb beef heart thawing to roast with onions, carrots, & celery next week, and a few yams I'll roast at some point this weekend. 

Stocked household staples include sauerkraut, kimchi, olives, carrots/celery, onions, yams, lots of frozen veg and berries, canned fish, cooking and eating oils, 100% dark chocolate, raw mixed nuts, and a variety of dried herbs and spices.  Also looking at a bag of granny smith apples and a lb of strawberries on the counter.  I was late getting my tomatoes in this year but they are ripening, and I will be drowning in them within the next few weeks.  Anybody have a good W30 compliant tomato dominant recipe they'd like to share?

Your food prep sounds delicious!

Cherry tomatoes or slicers? For cherry, I'm partial to greek salad style things. I shared my greek dressing on here once before I think, if not I'll type it up again. I like doing a salad with like-
lettuce or baby spinach, artichoke hearts, chicken, greek dressing, kalamata olives, red onion, cucumber, cherry tomatoes, whatever I have on hand/I'm feeling =)
Example recipe: http://fedandfit.com/2013/02/21/paleo-greek-salad/

For slicers or paste, I tend to do a lot of salsa, chili, tomato sauce, all the good stuff.
For chili, here's my favorite whole 30 recipe: http://www.bakerita.com/paleo-chili/ although I don't put the broth in, I think it's the right consistency without, but I'm in the "stand my spoon up" camp of chili thickness =D
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« Reply #2237 on: July 15, 2017, 08:29:02 PM »

I'm growing a cherry, a slicer, and a paste.  I'm used to the cherry and will be using that for salads and on eggs.  I usually have trouble using all of my slicers, and this plant is really setting on heavy, so I will need to be trying that chili recipe and making salsa for sharing.  Never done a paste before but planning on making some sauces and some freezing.

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« Reply #2238 on: July 15, 2017, 09:00:53 PM »

I'm growing a cherry, a slicer, and a paste.  I'm used to the cherry and will be using that for salads and on eggs.  I usually have trouble using all of my slicers, and this plant is really setting on heavy, so I will need to be trying that chili recipe and making salsa for sharing.  Never done a paste before but planning on making some sauces and some freezing.

Let me know how it goes! We're still weeks off from big tomatoes, and it's been a decade since I've grown any! (Except a volunteer, VERY prolific cherry tomato last year, but those aren't hard to use!).

Definitely let me know the best recipes you find and everything. I eventually want to get away from the BPA in canned tomatoes issue by doing my own.
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« Reply #2239 on: July 17, 2017, 03:42:51 PM »
So DH just found out he has high blood pressure. 150/100. Very scary! There's a diet called the DASH diet that is specifically for high blood pressure. But I know there's a lot of people whose numbers have lowered with the whole30/paleo.

Anybody know where to point me to see any research? I'd just love to see some research that says x% of people lowered their blood pressure through a whole30 diet.

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« Reply #2240 on: July 17, 2017, 04:12:01 PM »
So DH just found out he has high blood pressure. 150/100. Very scary! There's a diet called the DASH diet that is specifically for high blood pressure. But I know there's a lot of people whose numbers have lowered with the whole30/paleo.

Anybody know where to point me to see any research? I'd just love to see some research that says x% of people lowered their blood pressure through a whole30 diet.

Unfortunately, I really doubt you'd find research like that! You might be able to find anecdotal accounts and poll data, but for a study to 'count', there would have had to be observer oversight of diet and a clinician to take the BP, etc. And with the exception of medically formulated diets, like DASH, specific diets just really aren't studied.

That being said, a lot of the reasons people see lowered BP on DASH is the same as Whole 30. Cutting out processed foods which results in reduced sodium intake, weight loss which improves all sorts of labs, lots of fresh fruits and veggies, and so on. Some of the big differences- DASH restricts fat quite a bit (lean protein only) while Whole 30 does not. DASH also restricts sodium REALLY strictly, while whole 30 does not (although it'll be lower than a standard american diet anyway, because our main sodium intake is via breads/rolls/cereals). Finally, whole 30 eliminates legumes and grains, whereas DASH does not.

One of the big issues with DASH is a really low patient compliance rate, which makes sense when you look at it- low fat and super low salt, where is your flavor? So as long as his doctor didn't PRESCRIBE the DASH diet, I think whole 30 could be a good alternative that might feel less (or at least differently) restrictive.
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« Reply #2241 on: July 17, 2017, 04:19:57 PM »
So DH just found out he has high blood pressure. 150/100. Very scary! There's a diet called the DASH diet that is specifically for high blood pressure. But I know there's a lot of people whose numbers have lowered with the whole30/paleo.

Anybody know where to point me to see any research? I'd just love to see some research that says x% of people lowered their blood pressure through a whole30 diet.

I'd suggest trying it and seeing what his personal results are, as ultimately that's the only thing that matters.  Paleo diet is significantly easier to adhere to than W30 (I think only the craziest of the diehard crown do a W30 for 365 days a year).  I would recommend starting with 30 days of paleo and seeing how it goes, then do a W30 later if you're inclined to.  Here are a few articles that explain how a paleo type diet and lifestyle changes may lower blood pressure, and contain links to research.  Best of luck and let us know how it goes!

https://chriskresser.com/how-and-why-to-lower-your-blood-pressure-naturally/
https://chriskresser.com/pills-or-paleo-reversing-high-blood-pressure/
https://chriskresser.com/6-ways-to-lower-blood-pressure-by-changing-your-diet/
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/salt-and-blood-pressure/

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« Reply #2242 on: July 17, 2017, 04:21:11 PM »
Thanks Bracken Joy, Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking, regarding it being less restrictive therefore easier to stick to.

In fact, along those lines, I'm thinking we'll keep dairy. Calcium helps balance sodium and take it out of your system, so the DASH diet recommends it. But I think we'll go full-fat versions, because I'm pretty sure the research HAS shown that fat isn't the enemy.

Also thinking of keeping beans and rice (as a side, rather than the main), because he loves those, and hey DASH says it's ok.

Basically going to work on veggies veggies veggies and fruit.

I know research hasn't been done (WHY THE F NOT?!), but anyone seen any comprehensive polls?

Thanks Hotstreak, you're posting while I'm typing, so I'll take a look right now! Definitely thinking we're going to go Paleo-Primal (which often includes dairy) to start.
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« Reply #2243 on: July 17, 2017, 04:26:32 PM »
Still reading, but anyone know how LONG it takes to see results? The medication he was just prescribed says 3 weeks. Is it the same for diet?
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« Reply #2244 on: July 17, 2017, 04:34:11 PM »
Still reading, but anyone know how LONG it takes to see results? The medication he was just prescribed says 3 weeks. Is it the same for diet?

This will really vary based on the person, unfortunately. If he carries a lot of extra weight, it may take until he sees a good 10% weight loss before you see major clinical parameters improve. It also depends on how his sleep is, and how much he walks and excercises... it all varies so much. Sorry there isn't any good answer there. From what I've seen online, a lot of people see improvements after 1-2 months of paleo for blood pressure.

Re: the dairy and legumes. It sounds like Primal might be a good one to look at. Marks Daily Apple being the main website for that (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/) That's roughly how DH and I eat usually. Rice, some beans, some whole fat dairy but pretty much just fermented stuff, then the usual paleo host after that. The benefit to a whole 30 is to see if there are any food sensitivities also at play. Ex, from my whole 30, we found that I most likely have trouble with dairy. We're still investigating the extent of that. If he *does* have some sort of food intolerance, discovering it will certainly speed his health improvements.

Also re: the calcium, leafy greens actually have tons of calcium =) And that's where things like bone broths, bone-in seafood like sardines, and organ meats that paleo encourages can also be fantastic. Oh, and bivalves. All of those can be very high in minerals, no dairy required.
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« Reply #2245 on: July 18, 2017, 04:19:01 PM »
On W30 I dropped 12 pounds in 14 days. I did another week (without a scale) then two non-compliant weeks (travelling for work, and trying to do W30 in a hotel is hard mode), gained back five after flying home, but it disappeared a day later after re-starting W30. So in my case, pretty fast. Mrs Axe lost 14 pounds in 30 days.

Part of the W30 diet is that you're not supposed to weigh yourself for 30 days, I assume because the weight loss is uneven and you don't obsess about it. I broke the rule because I was going on the road where I wouldn't have access to a scale.

Encourage you to go cold turkey on dairy for 30 days. I was very reticent to do it, too, but I think it was a strong contributor to my weight loss. I used to eat a lot of cottage cheese, milk, and cheese. It adds up fast and milk adds a lot of sugar (in the form of lactose) to your diet. We both feel a lot more mentally alert, less bloated, and get better sleep now.

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« Reply #2246 on: July 19, 2017, 08:56:27 AM »
Those are awesome results! That would be really encouraging to DH if we can get some quick weight-loss results.

So I used to be really into this, and then with kids and everything, I started taking short cuts, less veggies, more flour tortilla quesadillas!

When I did a Whole30 as a healthy person to feel more healthy, it was a no-brainer. But as a cure for DH's high blood pressure, it's a little scary, especially when the scientifically-approved DASH diet is low fat, and all the conventional wisdom says be a vegetarian!

But as I've gotten back into the reading, it's all coming back to me.The scientific explanations are so compelling. Like converting the body from being a carb-burning machine to a fat-burning machine. Makes sense if you want to get fat out of the bloodstream!

So here goes. I've been telling DH everything I've learned over the years, and it's a little bizarre to be like, "yeah listen to me, not your doctor!", especially when we're dealing with a life-threatening condition.

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Re: Whole-30 info thread and awesome group. Want to join us?
« Reply #2247 on: July 19, 2017, 09:07:42 AM »
Those are awesome results! That would be really encouraging to DH if we can get some quick weight-loss results.

So I used to be really into this, and then with kids and everything, I started taking short cuts, less veggies, more flour tortilla quesadillas!

When I did a Whole30 as a healthy person to feel more healthy, it was a no-brainer. But as a cure for DH's high blood pressure, it's a little scary, especially when the scientifically-approved DASH diet is low fat, and all the conventional wisdom says be a vegetarian!

But as I've gotten back into the reading, it's all coming back to me.The scientific explanations are so compelling. Like converting the body from being a carb-burning machine to a fat-burning machine. Makes sense if you want to get fat out of the bloodstream!

So here goes. I've been telling DH everything I've learned over the years, and it's a little bizarre to be like, "yeah listen to me, not your doctor!", especially when we're dealing with a life-threatening condition.

Sorry for the thread hi-jack! Just gotta talk about it somewhere!

I think a 45 page thread can handle a valuable discussion about health and well being! =P Honestly, I think the WHY of doing a whole 30 is so important. And a lot of people who have participated in the thread have been doing it for food sensitivity identification or general wellness. So it's pretty cool to see another reason, actually!

I hope if you guys do go forward with it, you'll post progress here! It's so great to read people's journeys with this.
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Re: Whole-30 info thread and awesome group. Want to join us?
« Reply #2248 on: July 21, 2017, 01:04:27 PM »
Today marks the one week point of my W30, and so far things are going great.  Meal prep last weekend went well enough that I didn't have to cook any food this week, only re-heat, which is a huge time saver for me.  I'm still working through that batch of food and have some fresh vegetables and beef that I'll cook tonight, or later this weekend.  I've been doing a lot of pre-made salads lately.  At the start I was worried that food quality would decline, due to things wilting or becoming soggy in my containers, but actually it's worked out really well.

The major issue I was having was dry broccoli - I can't seem to eat more than a small head w/o something on it.  By putting the chopped broccoli and stalk at the bottom of the container with some dressing, I'm able to saturate it well.  On top of that goes all the other chopped vegetables & avocado, olives, etc., then lettuce/greens, lid, and in the fridge it goes.  The morning of I will grab the container and shake it to mix in the dressing, open the top and add meat and any last minute ideas + more dressing as needed, and toss is in my bag to take to work.  Today (Friday) I ate a salad that I made last Sunday, containing radish, cucumber, broccoli, kalamata olives, green pepper, tomato, avocado, chopped kale, baby greens, lettuce, salmon (added this morning), half a sweet potato (added this morning), olive oil, and a touch of balsamic vinegar.  Except for the tomatoes having been refrigerated, it was as good as the day I made it.  For anybody who's wanting to eat more salads but doesn't want to take the time to chop and mix every day, try making them ahead of time!  2.5qt containers are about right for a meal sized salad for an active adult.

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Re: Whole-30 info thread and awesome group. Want to join us?
« Reply #2249 on: July 22, 2017, 08:01:37 PM »
Do you like cooked broccoli? My favorite way to eat broccoli is chopped huge and steamed with salt. mmmmm.
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