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Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
« Reply #650 on: November 27, 2015, 07:40:12 PM »
Awesome Grenz.  Welcome to the thread!  Great progress in really a short time in the scheme of things.

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« Reply #651 on: November 27, 2015, 08:23:37 PM »
Then I started keto at the end of October just to try it.  I very quickly was hooked when I found myself not getting tired or drowsy during the day, no longer wishing for a nap, rarely feeling hungry, and eventually losing my cravings for sugar.  (I used to frequently crave cereal, bread and other carbs, even though I never felt good after eating them.)

...awesome stuff was here....

So, just happy to encourage all the mustachian keto-ers, and anyone who's cutting back on or eliminating sugar/sweets, I'm finding it very worthwhile and am enjoying the counter-cultural bit myself.  :)  Now I'm going to cook some sausage and veggies...mmm.

Anything else to report, like sinus trouble, GERD or digestive trouble subsiding?
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« Reply #652 on: November 27, 2015, 09:50:27 PM »
I've been reading like a crazy woman! I have about 8 Paleo books out of the library right now. Seems to me the only difference between whole30 and Paleo is that with paleo you can add back bacon, a bit of dairy like yogurt, cottage cheese, cheese and also you can have trace amounts of sweetener (preferably honey). Have I summarized the difference sufficiently? I'm looking to make a plan for post whole60. I'm accepting the fact that I will never (or almost never) eat grains or legumes again. I heard about a friend of a friend who lost a bunch of weight on a similar plan and then went on a bender one night and threw up when she got home. Oh my! That is what I so want to avoid!

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« Reply #653 on: November 27, 2015, 10:07:35 PM »
I've been reading like a crazy woman! I have about 8 Paleo books out of the library right now. Seems to me the only difference between whole30 and Paleo is that with paleo you can add back bacon, a bit of dairy like yogurt, cottage cheese, cheese and also you can have trace amounts of sweetener (preferably honey). Have I summarized the difference sufficiently? I'm looking to make a plan for post whole60. I'm accepting the fact that I will never (or almost never) eat grains or legumes again. I heard about a friend of a friend who lost a bunch of weight on a similar plan and then went on a bender one night and threw up when she got home. Oh my! That is what I so want to avoid!

Actually, if you're eating dairy, it's considered Primal, not Paleo, if you're concerned about the labels.  Really the difference with Whole30 is not "substitute" foods like kelp noodles, no trace sugar, no natural sweeteners, no paleo baked goods, so it's considered a super-clean version of paleo.  When you're at or near your goal weight, you might look again at white rice.  I've come around to including it in my "good foods" list, and to my surprise, two of the books I got on the Kindle sale the other day also include white rice even though they're labeled as paleo cookbooks, so I think there's a bit of a changing perception because it's very low in toxins/potential allergens/irritants as compared to all the other grains or legumes.  Of course, with the carb content, not so great when trying to lose weight.

Cheese re-intro went fine.  No appreciable increase in congestion, but I don't plan to eat any more this week.  Felt good today and dove right into cleaning out and reorganizing the filing cabinet, which is something I've dreaded and avoided for months.  Wonder what else I can get done when I quit procrastinating?

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« Reply #654 on: November 28, 2015, 12:13:55 AM »
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Anything else to report, like sinus trouble, GERD or digestive trouble subsiding?
I'm not sure I had any of those troubles.  Well come to think of it I haven't felt any gut pain since starting keto when I used to fairly often.  We'll see if that holds.

I do notice that I've had only two headaches in the last five weeks, and both can be attributed to obvious lack of sleep because I only gave myself 4-5 hours of sleep those nights.  I used to get headaches more often, probably a couple times a week on average.  (Not really bad ones usually, but I would feel that head pain at some point during the day.)

I've not had a single night where I couldn't fall asleep in five weeks which is awesome.  Laying in bed for hours without falling asleep used to be a big issue for me, at least a few times a week.  This gives me extra time each week since I don't need to stay in bed 10-11 hours as often to get my 8 hours of sleep.  Most days I've been wide awake in the morning and ready to go.

I don't want to make it sound like magic, but that's what it feels like right now.  If this becomes the new normal, then fantastic.  If it's just a honeymoon phase or I'm overestimating the benefits, it will have been great while it lasted.  :)  I assume there will be some negative side effects I'll start noticing.  But I know there are people who have been doing this 10-20 years and seem fine, and also if there are negative effects, I bet they're not as bad as the negative effects of my past diet. 


I do have a question -- is there anyone doing keto and Whole30 and can explain a few of the things they're doing differently than plain old keto?  Like are you cutting out certain keto foods for a period of time and then reintroducing?  I haven't read this whole thread so I don't know what everyone's doing.  Feel free to just say "read the thread" if that would make more sense.
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« Reply #655 on: November 28, 2015, 09:59:33 AM »
Read the Thread ;)

Mostly because it is a good read! I'm kinda doing a modified Keto/whole 30 hybrid. I have allowed a little dairy - actuallt pretty much just butter which I haven't had any issues with.

BUT I strongly suggest you do a full true Whole 30 first - which basically means for someone doing Keto to not have cheese/dairy/peanut butter.  You can choose whether to have the fruit/starch veggies which are allowed in small amounts on whole 30, but if you are already in Keto, I'm not sure that it makes much sense to reintroduce them just for the whole 30 if you are planning on going Keto afterwards.

Basically, you just want to identify if any of these dairy foods are problem foods for you. There is much to learn about the emotional, psychological side of things by doing the whole 30. It might be a little less pronounced if you have already had lots of success on Keto though. If you have any addiction or problem foods, Whole 30 is grat for identifying them and giving you some space to work through them.
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« Reply #656 on: November 28, 2015, 08:27:02 PM »
Hi everyone,  survived my first and only Christmas party of the season. Had my first challenge about my diet from someone who had previously been supportive. She couldn't understand why I would keep going after my 30 days was up. That old chestnut "all things in moderation". Should have walked away but didn't.  'What's moderate about toast for breakfast,  sandwiches for lunch and pasta for dinner - that sounds like a wheat feast to me!' She said she hadn't ever thought of it that way as she is slim and prides herself on being "healthy". I said this works for me so I'm sticking to it. Drank posh sparkling water and ate exotic melon and was fine with that. Nice to wake up the next morning raring to go instead of bloated and hungover.  Have been reading Grain Brain which is fascinating and Primal Blueprint. Think I will probably settle in paleo once I hit my ideal weight (haven't decided what that is yet but involves having no flab around my waist). Breakfast was kickass indian spiced ground beef with leftover cauliflower salad from yesterday.  Lunch was a small steak with the biggest mountain of clarified butter fried broccoli (thanks Faraday).  Have a pork roast in the oven that smells delicious.  Tomorrow is shopping  -hope to find some compliant smoked fish so I can make a kedgeree with cauliflower rice to have for breakfast a few mornings. 1967mama and others with kids, any food ideas that have been enjoyed by your kids? I'm offering them spoonfuls of everything I make for me but the take up rate is pretty poor.  Ks

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« Reply #657 on: November 28, 2015, 09:30:21 PM »
Kiwisonya - I'll list some of the things my kids have liked (keeping in mind they range from age 24--->7 and all but one are boys!)

-baked salmon fillets (topped with olive oil, salt, pepper, garlic, dry mustard powder)

-lemon chicken (I think I posted the recipe upthread?)

-baked or grilled pork loin (marinated in EVOO and balsamic, topped with salt, pepper and rosemary)

-potatoes of all sorts (mostly topped with clarified butter, salt, pepper, garlic powder)

-roasted vegetables (zucchini, potato, sweet potato, bell pepper, carrots, mushrooms or ??? tossed in plenty of EVOO and balsamic and sprinkled with salt, pepper and lots of rosemary) -- I can never make enough of this! Everyone loves it!

-hamburgers on the grill - easy for me to have mine with a lettuce bun

-salads - lots of green salads with homemade Italian dressing (recipe from Whole Foods for the Whole Family, minus the parmesan) - at least one salad a day with lots of things chopped up in it for interest like: bell peppers, cucumbers, tomatoes, mushrooms, celery, grapes, apples

-roasted whole chicken with potatoes and carrots around it. Cooked 2 chickens today while away on a weekend holiday. Onion in the cavity, salt, pepper and garlic and rosemary on the outside. Probably 4 tablespoons of clarified butter dotted all over this. Picture the biggest roaster you can buy. 10 pounds of potatoes. 2 very large chickens. That's how you feed my big fam! hahah!

The kids are "moving toward" a Whole30/Paleo diet. I'm buying much healthier fare and trying to keep snacks ready to go like: carrot and celery sticks in cold water in the fridge, fresh fruit available anytime, ants on a log, apple and almond butter. I read a great line in "Everyday Paleo" by Sarah Fragoso today. She had a realization a few months into her healthy eating journey how she was feeling so great and sitting down with her family to eat and they were all eating the food that used to make her feel so awful. That really struck me. FANTASTIC recipes in this book, btw. I plan to write some out when I get home. Easy recipes that are quick to prepare and use many of the ingredients I already have in my kitchen. I have to tread very carefully with the kids so they don't revolt! haha

Hope that helps!

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« Reply #658 on: November 28, 2015, 10:05:14 PM »
I do have a question -- is there anyone doing keto and Whole30 and can explain a few of the things they're doing differently than plain old keto?  Like are you cutting out certain keto foods for a period of time and then reintroducing?  I haven't read this whole thread so I don't know what everyone's doing.  Feel free to just say "read the thread" if that would make more sense.

Your questions and text patterns are strangely similar to others occurring in this thread. 

There is no reintroduction concept in the ketogenic lifestyle. The purpose of keto is to keep one's body in ketogenesis by eating a high fat, low carb, moderate protein diet. With the appropriate mix of vegetables, meats and cheeses/dairy, one can live the ketogenic lifestyle indefinitely.

You do otherwise, your body stops burning fat to make ketones and your body switches to burning carbs/sugars and/or once again storing the unused carbs/sugars into body fat.

I have heard some say "The problem with keto is when you stop, you gain weight again." Well of course. Losing weight isn't a license to eat crap.

Your comment implies some mixture of Whole30 and Keto. The two eating styles are kindred in that they ban many of the same things, but the objectives of each style are different: Whole30 being to isolate foods that are damaging your health and continuously modify your diet to find the things your body prefers. The "Reintroduction" phase of Whole30 is an experimentation phase that helps you validate good vs. bad foods for you.

Keto is a high-fat eating lifestyle. There is no reintroduction phase. The objective is to put your body in ketosis and to stay in ketosis. You can "reintroduce" non-keto foods, but you will drop out of ketosis and no longer be accomplishing the objectives of the lifestyle. There's nothing horrible about going out of ketosis, you just want to make sure you've got good habits established, a good exercise plan and eating plan so you ensure you burn whatever carb load you incur rather than packing on the body fat.

There is much overlap between Whole30 and Keto, but also significant differences: Keto requires a fat consumption in excess of 50% of the foods you eat. While milk is not allowed in keto (the lactose sugars), cream cheese and hard cheeses are welcomed, since they are high-fat and very low lactose.  All meats are allowed and encouraged in Keto, while Whole30 forbids some meats.
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« Reply #659 on: November 28, 2015, 10:19:30 PM »
Faraday, I think the question was about doing W30 keto style and then adding back other keto foods like cheese.

Sonya, I love what you said about wheat.  I think it's so true that people think they're eating variety and its really wheat, corn, wheat, soy, wheat and all topped off with a bunch of milk and sugar (e.g. my niece -  Mac and cheesecereal with milk and cheese pizza are the same thing, but she thinks she's eating different meals).  There is nothing moderate about it.

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« Reply #660 on: November 28, 2015, 10:45:33 PM »
Faraday, I think the question was about doing W30 keto style and then adding back other keto foods like cheese.

I'm having trouble with the question because Keto is much more black-and-white than Whole30.  The two eating styles are "cousins", but they have some very important differences and objectives, so mixing them risks failing to do either one successfully.

On Keto, you can eat anything that supports the proper mix of fat, carb and protein macronutrients. While potatoes, grains, breads, pasta, beans, fruits, rice, sugar (and all sugar containing things) are forbidden, there is no analogous food specification to the Whole30 idea. What's high-carb is simply forbidden. All full fat stuff is allowed.

If you can have cheese, you can have it on day 1 and day 31 of keto. There's no keto guideline for "detox" the way there is for W30. So there's no easy way to overlap W30 and Keto and somehow "accomplish both".

Keto eliminates fruit, So no monkey bowls. A "Keto Whole30" would be so restrictive that I'm not sure how you could do it and not be completely unhappy.

A cornerstone of Keto, for me, has been bacon. I've seen bacon get so much discussion and restriction in Whole30 that I doubt I could have the bacon I eat and be on Whole30.

I eat salami (Genoa - sliced thin), sausage patties, bacon and beef with abandon. I believe these are not allowed in W30. I'm careful to be in ketosis, too. I want to be burning those fats, not letting them circulate in my bloodstream and just sit there. My liver needs to be grabbing that shit and burning it.

So, I'm not sure I know how to understand the mixing of the two concepts.
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« Reply #661 on: November 28, 2015, 10:49:53 PM »
Faraday - have you been able to find any nitrate and sugar free bacon or ham? I check every single grocery store I'm ever in and so far, no luck. I'm researching paleo vs. primal the next 2 weeks or so until my Whole60 is over.

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« Reply #662 on: November 28, 2015, 11:03:45 PM »
Faraday - have you been able to find any nitrate and sugar free bacon or ham? I check every single grocery store I'm ever in and so far, no luck. I'm researching paleo vs. primal the next 2 weeks or so until my Whole60 is over.

I have some in my freezer right now, no nitrates, no sugar, from Food Lion, a supermarket chain in the southeast US. In the southeast, it's fairly easy to find nitrate-and-sugar-free bacon. North Carolina is one of the largest pork producing states in the US. There is a large regional pork processor not far from where I live, I can buy their products straight off the shelf with zero added ingredients. You can also get pure pork products here at the NC Farmer's Market.

Full disclosure: The Food Lion label says one of the curing ingredients was sugar, but there is no sugar in the meat. If there is any trace sugar, it will carmelize in the bottom of the frying pan and not survive the frying process.

How do I know for sure there are no nitrates? The bacon has a "use or freeze by date". Nitrates keep the fat in pork from going rancid, so you can refrigerate and use nitrate-containing bacon much longer than bacon that has no nitrates. Bacon with no nitrates, you have to freeze.

I buy and eat a lot of smoked pork and I freeze all of it. About the only meat I don't refrigerate freeze is meat I know will get eaten within the week.

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« Reply #663 on: November 28, 2015, 11:12:25 PM »
1967mama: Wellshire makes a paleo bacon with no sugar or nitrates. The ingredient list: Pork, Sea Salt, Spices (Black Pepper, Fenugreek, Nutmeg, White Pepper, Mace, Allspice). I have found it at Whole Foods.

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« Reply #664 on: November 29, 2015, 12:16:43 AM »
Thanks for the menu ideas,  1967mama. I'm really want to make a change for my whole family because while we never set foot in fast food restaurants there is plenty of wheat, dairy and sugar going on. My 3 year old boy has been the easiest as he likes meat and an assortment of vege like kale,  sweet potato and radishes. Mr 5 is like his Dad, a carb lover. I've been making lots of roast potatoes to get away from pasta which they all love. Cauliflower rice was a fail but might keep trying different flavours because I really want them to like it. Lunchboxes have been a challenge as no one eats the protein I put in, just the carbs :( As we are coming into summer I'm going to buy lunchboxes with coolers and I think I'll just have to get harder on them.  I'm sure if there are no processed carbs in their lunch they will eat the healthy stuff rather than starve. I need to remind myself that I'm in charge of my family's food and take responsibility for making sure that healthy food is the only option. My eldest son has had 2 teeth removed from a combination of genetically weak teeth and eating sugar/carbs. It broke my heart to watch my son go under general anesthetic at 4 because of the poor choices that I had enabled. Fuck it, time to take the power back!

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« Reply #665 on: November 29, 2015, 01:56:19 PM »
1967mama: Wellshire makes a paleo bacon with no sugar or nitrates. The ingredient list: Pork, Sea Salt, Spices (Black Pepper, Fenugreek, Nutmeg, White Pepper, Mace, Allspice). I have found it at Whole Foods.

This is the one I get -- also Pederson's brand make a no-sugar or nitrate bacon, along with Garret Valley. I think they are labeled as "paleo bacon." A tad on the expensive side, but very delicious!

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« Reply #666 on: November 29, 2015, 02:06:46 PM »
I'm in Canada which is probably
Why I haven't seen any of these brands:-/

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« Reply #667 on: November 29, 2015, 04:04:40 PM »
I see a potential side hustle for smuggling paleo bacon across the border.  First morning of "YOU WILL EAT HEALTHY" went surprisingly well in my house. I made a big platter of delicious food and let them help themselves.  There was bacon, boiled eggs,  cubes of fried potato and sweet potato,  a pile of fresh crunchy vegge with homemade mayo, freshly roasted nuts and a pile of berries.  I encouraged everyone to 'eat the rainbow' which the kids liked. I kept an eye on wbat everyone ate but tried not to be too pushy. Lots of good stuff eaten. More protein would have been great but it is Day1. I'll take that as a win. Spent $400 on grocerie today but we'll live like kings. I don't want this to be an exercise in deprivation so I'm willing to blow out in this area. Have a great day everyone. Ks

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« Reply #668 on: November 30, 2015, 07:01:23 AM »
I'm in Canada which is probably
Why I haven't seen any of these brands:-/

Then that's a problem because Canadian Bacon and American Bacon aren't even cut from the same part of the pig. American Bacon is cured pork belly, Canadian Bacon is a pork loin (so more like ham). I doubt you are going to find "uncured" Canadian Bacon because its more of a brine and smoke product. Have you considered buying just pork loin and brining it yourself to avoid the extra junk?

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« Reply #669 on: November 30, 2015, 07:12:39 AM »
I'm in Canada which is probably
Why I haven't seen any of these brands:-/

Then that's a problem because Canadian Bacon and American Bacon aren't even cut from the same part of the pig. American Bacon is cured pork belly, Canadian Bacon is a pork loin (so more like ham). I doubt you are going to find "uncured" Canadian Bacon because its more of a brine and smoke product. Have you considered buying just pork loin and brining it yourself to avoid the extra junk?

We have American Bacon in Canada too, it is just called "Bacon" :) But yeah, finding bacon without Sugar and Nitrates is not easy. Finding it without one is possible but I haven never seen both in Canada, and I have flipped over many a packages of bacon. We did find a brand without sugar (was one of the cheaper ones, I don't remember off the top of my head, I'll take a look next time we shop)

Don't suppose you are able to pop across the border for a shopping trip once or twice a year?  Even with the crappy exchange rate, the savings on bacon, butter, avocado oil,  and nuts makes it worth it for us.

KiwiSonya - Way to go on making the changes with your family! How is it going?


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« Reply #670 on: November 30, 2015, 09:50:09 AM »
Spent the holidays visiting my aunt and her family in Florida. They are eating paleo-ish, which was interesting to learn. They cut out most dairy, all gluten, and are pretty aggressive about their diet shift - kombucha and kale and salmon and avocados; my uncle is very (very) likely developing familial ALS, and they are hoping aggressive diet shifts might slow it down.........
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« Reply #671 on: November 30, 2015, 11:06:57 AM »
Swick - Yeah I thought about zipping down to Bellingham for bacon after I posted. We haven't been down in probably 6 months due to our lousy dollar and have been buying dairy products just over the line. Probably worth the trip for the bacon though! :-)

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« Reply #672 on: November 30, 2015, 11:35:32 AM »
Hi everyone,  I'm having a giggle at visions of 1967mama rocking up to the supermarket in the US and taking every packet of bacon out of the chiller, filling the car with it and driving home. We're an island nation so we don't get to pop across the border to anywhere. Yesterday I managed to get about 75 percent wholefood into everyone. Will aim to nudge that up each day. I'm feeling pretty good, although allergies are still with me but it's peak pollen season. My belt had gotten tighter during my pathetic attempts at reintro and it's nice that that has reversed. Logging my food has made me realise how tired fruit makes me feel. Think it's time to cut my old friend loose. Picked up a workbook at the library about processing your thoughts and feelings. Hopefully I can gain some better strategies than eating my way through emotional discomfort.  Have certainly noticed that food hasn't been doing the trick! Have a great day everyone.  Ks

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« Reply #673 on: November 30, 2015, 11:59:22 AM »
I just ate chicken strips and fries.  Yes, you read that correctly.  I've doing a little bit of an experiment. 

For Thanksgiving, we went to my parents for 3 days.  Of course, the first thing I see when I walked in the door was a big pan of brownies, and all the ingredients for a pumpkin pie cake. Yes, this was all made by the same mom who did the Whole 30 with me back in September.  I knew right away this was going to be a hard three days.  I had made a plan before going of exactly what foods I would eat.  That included stuffing and the pumpkin pie cake. And that's what I did for Thanksgiving. The pumpkin pie cake was my first expedition back into Sugar-land, and I'm happy to say I came out unscathed.  Chocolate is way more of a trigger for me, so I knew I shouldn't touch the brownies, and I didn't. Other than trace sugar, I haven't had any other sugar since Thanksgiving.

The next day, still at my parents, I decided that I was going to start my experiment, since it was going to be hard to stay on plan. My experiment: eat 'junk' food for 1 meal a day. Since I've done a reintro for all the food groups, I wanted to see how I reacted to eating the OLD way for one meal, but sticking to Whole30 for the other two meals. This is the excuse I hear all the time from my parents....."But we eat well most of our meals". I planned to do this for a few days, or until I couldn't handle it any more. Today after lunch, I reached the point of 'this sucks'.  (During my experiment, I had pizza and chicken strips/fries.)

The results:
  • The tightness in my jaw is back with a fury! Due to that, I have felt a little dizzy, my neck hurts, and I have a headache.
  • I suddenly had pain in my left shoulder. It's similar to what I had in my right shoulder, which completely went away after doing the Whole30 back in July. I'm guessing this is inflammation from some of the junk I've been eating. I was popping Aleve for two days, and the pain finally went away.
  • My stomach has been okay, but I definitely feel more bloated.I haven't stepped on a scale, and don't plan to, since it's the devil.
  • I always realized how my weight now will impact my body as I grow older, but I was just reminded of it again. On Sunday, we saw a family friend at a play at the local HS. He's around my parents age (72). My boys asked me how old our friend was, and they were shocked when I told them he was the same age as Grandpa M. They said he seems WAY younger than Grandpa M. The biggest difference.....WEIGHT! My dad is a yoyo dieter, and I can see that the extra weight is really starting to impact him and how he moves. The boys' other grandpa, Grandpa W has been very healthy and trim his whole life. The boys said that our family friend was more like Grandpa W, because they both look and act a lot younger. The boys thought both of them were around 55.  THAT'S exactly how I want to be. I don't want to be like the boy's grandma, Grandma W, who has had both knees and both hips replaced. 

Am I glad I did this?  Yep!  It just confirms how good it feels to eat good.  Back to Whole30ish eating for me. I know starting with a pure Whole30 won't be easy right now, so my plan is to start on January 1. In the mean time, I'll stick with adding back only trace sugar, and limited rice.

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I'm having trouble with the question because Keto is much more black-and-white than Whole30.  The two eating styles are "cousins", but they have some very important differences and objectives, so mixing them risks failing to do either one successfully.
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So, I'm not sure I know how to understand the mixing of the two concepts.

Yeah I basically was asking if anyone who is eating keto is also doing Whole30 by eliminating certain parts of their diet for 30 days just to see what happens.  e.g. I could stop eating dairy/cheese for 30 days, or stop eating eggs for 30 days, or nuts, or something like that. 

I'm not really tempted to try it myself because it would severely limit variety in my diet and would make it harder to get the right nutrition.  So I was asking to see if anyone else is doing this and what they've found.  I'm definitely not considering reintroducing carbs at this point.  :)

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« Reply #675 on: November 30, 2015, 03:50:32 PM »
I'm having trouble with the question because Keto is much more black-and-white than Whole30.  The two eating styles are "cousins", but they have some very important differences and objectives, so mixing them risks failing to do either one successfully.
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So, I'm not sure I know how to understand the mixing of the two concepts.

Yeah I basically was asking if anyone who is eating keto is also doing Whole30 by eliminating certain parts of their diet for 30 days just to see what happens.  e.g. I could stop eating dairy/cheese for 30 days, or stop eating eggs for 30 days, or nuts, or something like that. 

I'm not really tempted to try it myself because it would severely limit variety in my diet and would make it harder to get the right nutrition.  So I was asking to see if anyone else is doing this and what they've found.  I'm definitely not considering reintroducing carbs at this point.  :)

Being on the Keto lifestyle, I eat things that are positively forbidden in Whole30: Butter is a prime ingredient for me. I add MCT oil to foods to up the fat content and I eat pretty much any meats I can get.

We did some "oven fried chicken legs" recently: coated them in BAKING POWDER, baked them in the oven and they came out like the most awesome fried chicken legs I've ever had. (It's not only baking powder, there's a recipe I can get if anyone cares.) So far I've made three meals out of those chicken legs.
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« Reply #676 on: November 30, 2015, 04:09:45 PM »
Funnily enough, the only bacon most of us Canadians eat is apparently American bacon (strips, just like you eat). And we get it from Canadian farmers. Canadian bacon is not that popular, where I live, anyways:-)

grenzbegriff - sorry I can't help you with keto - I'm learning about it from our dear Faraday. From what I've read, I don't think I could do it because fruit has been a great substitute for sweets for me (sweets were my problem and got me to 70+ lbs overweight) Now down almost 20lbs doing Whole60. Interestingly, my taste buds have really changed!

Today for dinner I made the giant meatballs out of the "Everyday Paleo" book. They are chock full of vegetables and topped with a garlic and basil marinara. I can't WAIT for dinner!

Took my kids to a pizza place for lunch today because we had freebies that expired after today. Bill came to $38 and I had $40 in coupons (yes, I left a generous tip!). I had WATER! What has happened to the old me?????!!!!


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« Reply #677 on: November 30, 2015, 08:34:22 PM »

We have American Bacon in Canada too, it is just called "Bacon" :) But yeah, finding bacon without Sugar and Nitrates is not easy. Finding it without one is possible but I haven never seen both in Canada, and I have flipped over many a packages of bacon. We did find a brand without sugar (was one of the cheaper ones, I don't remember off the top of my head, I'll take a look next time we shop)


In my area finding nitrate free is easy but without sugar was definitely challenging. There was only one brand and it was the Pederson's one. If I had to choose one option, I would choose nitrate free but that's because most food chemicals and I are not friends. As in ham is completely toxic at the one bite level but pork without the chemicals is fine. Needless to say I am careful with all processed meat products.

When I start my whole 30/ elimination diet at the end of this December, all chemicals will be on the banned list so I will either go without bacon (most likely since most of the things I use the grease for will have been eliminated) or buy the Pederson Farm brand (which is about 2x the price of the rest of my options).

Do you have any Asian markets in your area? They sell the pork belly pre sliced and frozen...

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« Reply #678 on: November 30, 2015, 08:50:57 PM »
Caoineag - Nom-nom Paleo's Kahlua Pork is amazing. I make it without the bacon and it is an awesome stand-in for crispy goodness. http://nomnompaleo.com/post/10031990774/slow-cooker-kalua-pig

I make a big one at the beginning of the week and it feeds hubs and I for a week. I LOVE shredding it and frying it in some fat - makes it so crispy and delish. Good for breakfasts! I also fry up a big wok of cabbage with some coconut aminos and a splash of sesame oil and serve the crispy pork on top with a bunch of Cholula hot sauce. Definitely has become our quick to make comfort food :)

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« Reply #679 on: November 30, 2015, 09:07:55 PM »

    • I always realized how my weight now will impact my body as I grow older, but I was just reminded of it again. On Sunday, we saw a family friend at a play at the local HS. He's around my parents age (72). My boys asked me how old our friend was, and they were shocked when I told them he was the same age as Grandpa M. They said he seems WAY younger than Grandpa M. The biggest difference.....WEIGHT! My dad is a yoyo dieter, and I can see that the extra weight is really starting to impact him and how he moves. The boys' other grandpa, Grandpa W has been very healthy and trim his whole life. The boys said that our family friend was more like Grandpa W, because they both look and act a lot younger. The boys thought both of them were around 55.  THAT'S exactly how I want to be. I don't want to be like the boy's grandma, Grandma W, who has had both knees and both hips replaced. 

    Oh yeah, my dad is 72 and my husband's dad is I think 73 and the difference between them is shocking.  My dad is active and slim and goes with us for anything we want to do.  A year or two ago when he was visiting we went on a 10 mile hike.  DH's dad... well, he should probably be in a wheelchair, but he's too stubborn.  About 4 years ago when they came to visit he managed walking around a local tourist attraction and MIL was amazed.  He's gone downhill even more since then.  He's probably 75# overweight, had a triple bypass, eats total crap and gets no exercise.  It's really sad seeing how unable he is to participate in his granddaughters' lives.  I'm dreading the day we get the call that he's in the hospital or suddenly gone.[/list]

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    « Reply #680 on: November 30, 2015, 11:26:32 PM »
    Swick - thanks for posting that fantastic sounding recipe! Do you have to have the special Hawaiian sea salt or is it ok with the regular sea salt from costco?

    Horsepoor - I see this in our parents too. My mom is 73 and debilitated by her sore knees. She should have had replacements 10 years ago. She's been overweight most of her life (maybe carrying and extra 100 lb) so her knees have given out after carrying around all that weight for so long. I don't want this to be me in 25 years! She's on BP meds.

    I had an off day today. I did start with eggs and spinach and ended with my fancy meatballs (they were really delicious) but from 10 -5 my eating was compliant but not good choices: monkey bowls, applesauce, nuts, oranges. Interestingly, it was like a downward spiral -- the more I ate like that, the worse I felt. In retrospect, it was kind of like a reintroduction experiment.

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    « Reply #681 on: December 01, 2015, 07:00:27 AM »
    Thanks for the recipe Swick, I will definitely keep that in mind. We've built up some stir fry recipes that don't use soy sauce, marinades for meats that don't use non compliant ingredients and plan on using lettuce wraps in place of tortillas or buns. I now drink my coffee black and I have a huge variety of vegetable I can cook and eat without any non-compliant topping.

    Also have that lovely cabbage beet salad I posted earlier that I eat daily as a side dish to other things. Since it makes such a big batch, I have been feeding it to my lunch buddy for the past couple of weeks and she missed it terribly over the long weekend. I told her I would pack her a bunch for the next long weekend as I can't make a smaller batch and prefer not to waste it (she has major digestive issues and just 3 weeks of eating the cabbage salad has made a huge difference).

    This weekend I will dump out my non-compliant seasoning mix and make the from scratch version and refill the shaker with that. I will probably move all of the non-compliant stuff still remaining in the house down to the basement this weekend as well so we don't accidentally use any of it.

    The full start should be December 23 or 24 since we have a potluck at work on the 21st where everyone makes their favorite dishes but that hasn't stopped me from winnowing down in the meantime.

    One thing I will note, merely cutting down all sugar sources has resulted in a tamer hunger response. Previously, I had a very limited window to respond to my hunger before it sent me crashing in a pretty horrific way, now I can basically ignore it if I want and for however long I want. I just don't get that horrible weakness that came with hunger before. It should be interesting to see the full effect of the elimination itself.

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    Caoineag - Awesome start! Thanks for the reminder about your cabbage salad, I meant to try it and forgot! I have been dealing with Hypoglycemia since I was a kid. I use to HAVE to eat every couple of hours or I'd hit the deck. I have had NO issues since my original whole 30. It seems to have leveled out even more since upping the fat intake. I can easily skip meals (if I have to) and have no desire to snack in between.

    1967mama - The salt makes it tasty! But really, you don't have to. There is clay in the Alean salt that gives it a nice little minerality - but it is not vital. I would use a coarser salt though. I have made it with Real Salt, Himalayan salt, smoked salt - all are good! One thing I like to do is add some banana leaf to cover it while it is cooking. That adds a nice flavor and keeps it super moist too (You can sometimes find them frozen in Asian or Mexican food stores) The occasional time you can find them in a Superstore if you have an ethnic population where you live.

    I feel like I am doing OK with the whole 30/Keto hybrid that I am trying. When you take away the potatoes/sweet potatoes for bulk, it gets considerably harder. Especially because the greens I can get just haven't been inspiring and hugely expensive. To get enough Kale to build a meal around, it would be about 18.00. Our Cauliflower (for a small one) are up over 6.00 each.

    I know I have to start actually tracking nutrients and such. That is one thing I LOVE about whole 30, you don't really have to track anything, makes it so easy!

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    « Reply #683 on: December 01, 2015, 10:56:14 AM »
    I feel like I am doing OK with the whole 30/Keto hybrid that I am trying. When you take away the potatoes/sweet potatoes for bulk, it gets considerably harder. Especially because the greens I can get just haven't been inspiring and hugely expensive. To get enough Kale to build a meal around, it would be about 18.00. Our Cauliflower (for a small one) are up over 6.00 each.

    I know I have to start actually tracking nutrients and such. That is one thing I LOVE about whole 30, you don't really have to track anything, makes it so easy!

    Ouch!  The cost can get pretty hard to swallow (no pun intended) when everything is grass-fed, organic, fresh AND low-carb.  Cost is a definite factor in not wanting to go really low-carb unless I find out at some point that I really need to. 

    Can you get frozen veggies more cheaply?  I did a "creamed" spinach the other day by sauteeing some frozen spinach in ghee and then stirring in homemade spicy mayo.  Cheap and pretty good!

    There is also this green soup http://www.splendidtable.org/recipes/basic-green-soup

    You'd obviously want to omit the rice, but it can be made with pretty much anything green.  I've used frozen spinach and broccoli, and you could increase the fat content as well to make it more filling.

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    Posting to say.........I have been lurking here since Aug and this is a great group!
    I tried Paleo a while back and when I fell back to old ways of eating I had a very difficult time !!!
     It turns out I have FODMAPS.
     My intestines cannot process certain simple sugars. It is big in Oz, not so much in N.A.
     I am pretty much stuck  with Keto plus a few compliant veggies. Fructose is one sugar most people cannot process . Dairy and wheat/grains are the second. PSA over ! Goodluck.
    And yes Faraday I do want your baking soda chicken recipe pls!

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    « Reply #685 on: December 01, 2015, 11:05:38 AM »
    Oh swick, I wish I could send you a veggie parcel. My kale is going crazy and cauliflower bigger than your head is selling for $1 at my local markets.  1967mama, I am the same with bad choices even if they are compliant. Monkey bowls or fruit seems to send me back to the fridge for more bad choices. I've never been a moderation kinda gal and am coming to the conclusion that avoiding some of my previous favorite healthy foods is necessary. I have also realised that my portion sizes are too big as I'm just not hungry enough by the next time to eat (it makes life easier to roughly follow the kids pattern). The family is doing fine on healthier options - have just chucked out some food I'd rather they didn't have. Am realising the extent to which their food drives their behavior.  My son had a couple of small iced biscuits at a playdate and soon after went so crazy we had to leave - think literally throwing himself off the furniture and chucking stuff around. Once we left he claimed he was so tired he couldn't walk home (only 500m!). Need to desugar them pronto!

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    Can you get frozen veggies more cheaply?  I did a "creamed" spinach the other day by sauteeing some frozen spinach in ghee and then stirring in homemade spicy mayo.  Cheap and pretty good!

    There is also this green soup http://www.splendidtable.org/recipes/basic-green-soup

    You'd obviously want to omit the rice, but it can be made with pretty much anything green.  I've used frozen spinach and broccoli, and you could increase the fat content as well to make it more filling.

    Thanks, Horsepoor! I'll have to try your take on creamed Spinach. That is something I can still egt fairly cheap :) We always price compare and usually go with frozen veg - the problem is they don't really inspire me to cook them. We are pretty big on texture. I guess I need to learn how to make them taste better to hide the texture!

    One thing we love is roasted Brussels. A little lightly sauteed chopped onion and an apple thrown in with a bunch of oil to roast in. Tossed with a bit of balsamic when you take them out is really good! I guess I'll have to sub out the apple for bacon (Tough life!)

    KiwiSonya - I wish you could send me some veg too, sounds amazing! Interesting to hear about how drastically your kids react to sugar. I'm not surprised, I've seen it time and time again in daycare/school settings. Way, way back in the day when I was a live-in teacher I established a firm rule that whoever fed the kids sugar was responsible for putting the kids to be that night :)

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    « Reply #687 on: December 01, 2015, 12:51:34 PM »
    Yeah, I usually don't like the texture of frozen veg either, which is why I'm so partial to the green soup.  Since it's pureed, the texture is the same regardless of the veggies you start out with.  It's a good way to get that bone broth in, and other healthy stuff like turmeric can be added too.  Need to make a batch, come to think of it.  I'm hoping my kale springs back to life when the weather warms up at the end of the week.  Planning to cut a bunch down and make a huge batch to freeze.

    Sonya, glad your family is eating more healthfully too.  I do wonder how many behavioral and learning problems could be resolved or really diminished by feeding kids better stuff.  I'm not a parent so it's not something I tend to comment on, but good stuff (especially DHA) helps their brains develop better in addition to the short-term behavior thing.  It's actually a pretty profound societal issue.

    The holiday madness thing is starting here.  This weekend is DH's birthday, but he's saying he'd just as soon have a steak and fried potatoes at home, so I'll do that and some veg and indulge in a glass of wine (or two).  Then next week is a retirement party (I'm bringing compliant potato salad) and the annual holiday pizza party, which I think I'll just avoid entirely.  Planning to keep the weekdays compliant through Christmas to just avoid all the temptations.

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    « Reply #688 on: December 01, 2015, 07:36:15 PM »
    he holiday madness thing is starting here.  This weekend is DH's birthday, but he's saying he'd just as soon have a steak and fried potatoes at home, so I'll do that and some veg and indulge in a glass of wine (or two).  Then next week is a retirement party (I'm bringing compliant potato salad) and the annual holiday pizza party, which I think I'll just avoid entirely.  Planning to keep the weekdays compliant through Christmas to just avoid all the temptations.

    +1 to DH. I do similar: I would rather forget I even have a birthday and just eat good food.

    Good On You horsepoor for forging through the holidays! Watch what happens: on January 2, you will be as a goddess to the lost masses. They will be making their resolutions, talking about working out of going to the gym, etc. The manipulation is so pervasive, no one even questions.

    All on this thread, just watch. If you hold firm, they will be seeking your guidance. If you fail in front of them, they will be asking you to go to Zumba with them. Either way, they pay. In dollars, time and health.
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    « Reply #689 on: December 02, 2015, 11:06:03 AM »
    Hi all, Faraday, you are so right about holding firm and others coming to you for guidance. Wherever I look there are people with problems about food -whether it's chubby babies who are turning into obese toddlers, ravenous breastfeeding mums who are living on cookies, mums who can't lose baby weight or my aging parents with the growing bellies. Now I'm not looking to convert anyone as my house isn't in order yet but as I shrink people are starting to ask questions. I tell people what I'm doing and the results I've had but I've noticed that people need to get to their own place of discomfort where they are ready to change what they're doing.
    On my journey,  the family are warming to some different foods and others are disappearing from our diet unnoticed so far. I'm really glad I'm doing this while they're young and I buy the food and they eat it. I imagine it gets more challenging with older kids. I have been having some interesting conversations with my smart cookie 5 year old about the effect of food on his body.  He is growing so fast and I've been talking about how food affects his body and makes him feel - like here's your chicken, are you ready to grow? Feeling tired,  maybe that's the sugar you ate which drains the petrol from your tank?
    I haven't hopped on the scales since the end of my While30 but the shorts I bought a few weeks back in size 12 now need a belt. I reckon I'm about the size I was at 15! But still some to go - the mummy tummy is shrinking but still there. I'm going to treat myself to my first bikini as an adult when I overcome the 'Great Christmas/New Year Challenge', namely sticking with the program. Have a great day everyone.  Ks

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    « Reply #690 on: December 02, 2015, 11:26:06 AM »
    I am having A LOT of tummy troubles...on and off basically my whole60 but some days are worse than others. I've been reading up on FODMAPS and am eating Whole30 compliant within the FODMAPS food lists today. Also, using a light for Seasonal Affective disorder on these grey rainy days to see if that energizes me. I've had 2 or 3 crummy, grumpy days in a row. Grrr!

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    Sorry to hear that you are having a crummy time lately, 1967mama. FODMAP foods are the onions and brassicas right? Hope it comes right soon :)

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    « Reply #692 on: December 02, 2015, 01:58:58 PM »
    I am having A LOT of tummy troubles...on and off basically my whole60 but some days are worse than others. I've been reading up on FODMAPS and am eating Whole30 compliant within the FODMAPS food lists today. Also, using a light for Seasonal Affective disorder on these grey rainy days to see if that energizes me. I've had 2 or 3 crummy, grumpy days in a row. Grrr!

    GOOD ON YOU for trying the SADD lamp! KEEP IT UP, it takes a long time to see the effects, and they come on so gradually you can't hardly tell.

    I have some halogen work lights that I like to use - they are 500 watts each and also put out some radiant heat that feels good. I'm considering permanent-mounting pairs of 500 watt halogen lamps on opposite walls of my garage just to help me feel better when I'm working on projects, but I absolutely hate what those would do to my electric bill, so I'm still pondering. There's a new 1400 lumen LED floodlamp that would be much, much better but I don't know if it would give the same magnitude of effect I get from a halogen work light.

    Are you eating much broccoli or asparagus? Some of the FODMAP-friendly vegetables can still cause intestinal troubles. I LOVE broccoli and asparagus, but if I overdo it, I get pretty miserable and even bad itching in very specific spots (legs, around the calf area). Example article: http://www.livestrong.com/article/349377-stomach-cramps-after-eating-broccoli/

    Do you have any odd itches or any other "feeling" associated with your troubles? I've had troubles with some really strange things. I've already mentioned I have to be careful with dairy, but sometimes multivitamins will bother me, herb-type stuff like Echinacea or Milk Thistle will get a reaction out of me, even too many TUMS (calcium antacids) will mess me over.

    A couple things that tend to help:
    - Water. Doing my pack of dried lime and a little stevia in a liter of water lets me drink as much as four liters in a day without getting that waterlogged feeling
    - Exercise helps, especially anything that works abdominal muscles like walking, biking or yard work.
    - Here's an odd one: Alka-Seltzer seems to help me, a LOT. Indeed, almost anything carbonated seems to really help my digestion. Enough so that I'm considering keeping a 5 gallon keg of simple carbonated water on tap.
    - I'm still using the Orthophosphoric Acid: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S822KK It SEEMS to help but I can't honestly tell you it's making AWESOME improvements for me. I'm definitely not getting worse from it and it seems to help, but it seems to work best on an empty stomach, so I take a 12 oz glass with 30 drops in it first thing in the morning and wait 30 minutes to eat.
    - I've had to finally just quit the Atkins-branded foods. These were a nice "emergency backup food". I have a plan for some other foods going forward that I'll make and freeze, like this: http://www.ruled.me/jalapeno-popper-egg-cups/
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    « Reply #693 on: December 02, 2015, 02:12:01 PM »
    I am pretty much stuck  with Keto plus a few compliant veggies. Fructose is one sugar most people cannot process . Dairy and wheat/grains are the second. PSA over ! Goodluck.
    And yes Faraday I do want your baking soda chicken recipe pls!

    Hello my Keto Friend. I hear you loud and clear about FODMAPS. You asked for the chicken recipe:
    http://www.ruled.me/perfectly-crisp-baked-chicken-wings/

    We did this with chicken legs too. They didn't come out looking as nice as the wings do in the photos, but they were REEALY GOOD. Next we want to try it with boneless chicken breast - taking the chicken and slicing it into thinner strips to accentuate the effect of the baking powder.

    Now: let me confess something: I don't believe the calorie count they mention in that article: I do NOT ACCEPT that four chicken wings = 500 calories. So when I entered these wings in my LoseIt logging app, I let four wings = 400 calories or 100 calories per wing. I still don't like that, but I accept it and if it causes me to blow my calorie count for the day, I just don't care as long as the macronutrient ratios (fats, protein and carbs) are in the right ratios. (and these wings do that pretty well - a bit too much protein, but it's all-good....)
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    « Reply #694 on: December 02, 2015, 05:06:08 PM »
    Faraday - I feel about a million times better today, since using the lamp this morning. Before lamp=grumpy, sad, miserable.
    After lamp=happy, energetic, cheery. I'm soooo glad! I have 2 sons with SAD (doctor diagnosed), so I'm not surprised to find myself benefitting from the lamps. Also, I can't believe it, but LAST NIGHT, I took Echinacea and a multi for the first time in a while -- could that be what is upsetting my stomach? I also take D and Omega 3 on the days I remember, in addition to the multi. I wonder if the vitamins and supplements are making me sick instead of healthy????!!!! NO vitamins and supplements today! No odd itches or any other symptoms that I can say I've noticed. Thank you for your other suggestions too!

    Kiwisonya - thanks for the sympathy :-/ I kind of feel like I might never have been aware of this on my old way of eating. Its because of my Whole60 that this has come to light, so there's that. FODMAPS: yes, the onions and brassicas plus certain fruits (apples, watermelon and a few others that I eat) but there are lots of others that I like and do eat that are fine. Legumes, dairy and grains are bad, but of course, they aren't part of my diet now, and maybe not ever again.


    Today I fit into THREE outfits that I was hoping would fit soon! SOOOOOO happy! One of the outfits is a fancy gala ensemble that I haven't worn since 2009, so its been long enough that I can still wear it, and will do so next weekend! It is still very much in style and looks quite lovely on me. I'd post a picture, but it took me about an hour to figure that out last time! hahah! The second outfit is a dress that I bought at a consignment store a few weeks ago. It was too tight then, but I was hopeful it would fit by Christmas Eve to wear to church ... today is December 2nd and it looks great on me!  The third is a leopard print top and a black cardie -- they are both longer and looser and I'm wearing them today with black jeans and am feeling quite mod...hahaha.

    I am now contemplating going straight on into another Whole30. That would make it a Whole90 --- ACK! hahah! That is what my teenaged son challenged me to in the very beginning. Its neat to share with my boys how I"m doing. I can tell they are proud of me. Date-wise, that would carry me through Christmas and New Years which could quite possibly be the very best gift I could give myself this Christmas. Hmmm...what to do, what to do. Anyone else want to join me?

    ETA: dairy

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    Re: Whole-30 Started as a challange, now an awesome group. Want to join us?
    « Reply #695 on: December 02, 2015, 07:25:32 PM »
    I wonder if the vitamins and supplements are making me sick instead of healthy????!!!! NO vitamins and supplements today!

    Do you get your grumbly tummy within a few hours of taking your vitamins? Then yes they could be doing it to you. I can NOT take vitamins, my stomach tries to chew itself up when I do. If there is anything you actually need to supplement per doctor's orders, look for a chewable version if you have digestive issues with the pill form.

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    « Reply #696 on: December 02, 2015, 11:37:59 PM »
    I wonder if the vitamins and supplements are making me sick instead of healthy????!!!! NO vitamins and supplements today!

    Do you get your grumbly tummy within a few hours of taking your vitamins? Then yes they could be doing it to you. I can NOT take vitamins, my stomach tries to chew itself up when I do. If there is anything you actually need to supplement per doctor's orders, look for a chewable version if you have digestive issues with the pill form.

    Also check your ingredient list, there are almost always fillers, binders etc. Many have wheat/dairy derivatives.

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    « Reply #697 on: December 02, 2015, 11:51:37 PM »
    What is the fastest/easiest way to post an image?

    Swick! I never thought to check what else is in those vitamins!!! Checking now...hold please...hmmm mostly cellulose and gelatine and stuff. One had sorbitol which I think is on the FODMAP list as a no go. I had a totally FODMAP day except for a few bits of onion in the leftover meatballs. Need to print out the list of foods to avoid till I commit it to memory. 

    ETA: The melatonin! it has lactose in it! Could that be it? I take it a few nights a week. UGH! Just took 2 and then read the bottle.
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    « Reply #698 on: December 03, 2015, 08:08:09 AM »
    What is the fastest/easiest way to post an image?

    Swick! I never thought to check what else is in those vitamins!!! Checking now...hold please...hmmm mostly cellulose and gelatine and stuff. One had sorbitol which I think is on the FODMAP list as a no go. I had a totally FODMAP day except for a few bits of onion in the leftover meatballs. Need to print out the list of foods to avoid till I commit it to memory. 

    ETA: The melatonin! it has lactose in it! Could that be it? I take it a few nights a week. UGH! Just took 2 and then read the bottle.

    Image - click on the "attachments and other options" below the reply window and attach the file, just pay attention to the size Before you upload it. If you have a program or option that allows you to "save for web" that is easiest.

    So Cellulose - may or may not be a problem, I know people on the FODMAP that it doesn't do well with. There is definitely a difference between commercial wood pulp cellulose (the chemical processes it goes through are super toxic)  and the natural cellulose that is present in grains and plants you eat.  Also, they have started making Cellulose from BHT Cotton.

    Either way, there are much safer ways to get your insoluble fiber. But they ar starting to put it in everything. It's cheap - it makes thing taste better in your mouth. 

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    « Reply #699 on: December 03, 2015, 09:08:22 AM »
    Thank you Faraday for the link. Need more chicken recipes as I feel stuck with just a few standard safe meals.
     I stopped counting calories once I was told about FODMAPS. Most dietary rules went out the window then, along with the scale.
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