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« Reply #50 on: September 10, 2015, 07:35:59 AM »
Yeah,  sign me up.   Won't be following the exact whole 30 but refocusing on my low carb, high nutrient focus.   No booze of course.  Reviewing the Whole 30 site now. 

Thanks for the motivation.

Forgot to say welcome Bob! Congrats for cutting back on the junk.  I know you said you weren't going to do the exact Whole30, but I would highly recommend it.  It's really been a life changer for me.

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« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2015, 08:26:08 AM »
I was so annoyed/stressed out when I left work this morning. Then, I had to stop by the grocery store and wanted to buy/eat all the junk food, but did not. I came home and ate some "buffalo chicken" (home made mayo+ frank's hot sauce), green beans, potatoes, and watermelon.
I'm about to walk to the store and grab a few things and then go to bed.
Thinking about a hamburger for dinner w/ some potatoes and something green.
I don't think white potatoes were allowed the first time I tried this last year ? I hate sweet potatoes -regardless of how they're cooked. Probably why I only made it 15 days. I'm running a lot more right now and there's no way I'd be able to do it w/out the extra carbs.


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« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2015, 09:15:39 AM »
Great to hear, Mom22boys. Sounds like there is hope. One thing hubs and I have noticed, not sure if it is normal? It's like constant hunger, you eat you go from over-full and pass right through back to hungry without ever feeling "normal"

Awesome job, Naomi! I think they let potatoes in end of 2014. Its great that you didn't give into the junkfood cravings!

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« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2015, 09:27:08 AM »
Didn't see this thread before, but coincidentally my girlfriend and I started this on Monday.  We've been 70%-99% paleo for the past two years, so this is more of a "reset" than a vast change for us.

We made this earlier in the week, and it made enough to be a side for a few different meals: http://nomnompaleo.com/post/1356598429/worlds-best-braised-green-cabbage

Last night we had salmon and steamed artichokes.

Tonight we're making this: http://vahuntergatherers.com/2012/03/05/curried-ground-pork-with-carrots-and-celery/  I've made it before and it's quite good.

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« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2015, 11:57:53 AM »
Naomi - Great job on staying away from the junk.  I gotta try the buffalo chicken that you mentioned, sounds amazing!

Swick - I can't say that I've had the Full - Hungry direct flip without feeling 'normal' between.  One thing I do between meals though is drink water, water, water. Have you tried that? You often hear that people often truly aren't hungry but really just thirsty. I found that to be true with me.  Of course everyone is different. :-)

Ketchup - Glad you're joining us, by accident!  That cabbage dish sounds delish.....I've just discovered Nomnompaleo.com and I love it. The biggest thing I struggle with on Whole30 is what to serve for side dishes. and getting more variety.  I better try this one, and also I just read her recipe for the riced cauliflower.

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« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2015, 01:30:53 PM »
One thing hubs and I have noticed, not sure if it is normal? It's like constant hunger, you eat you go from over-full and pass right through back to hungry without ever feeling "normal"

This could* be an issue with switching from glycogensis (where body energy is derived from glucose) to ketogenesis (where energy is derived from fatty acids). Both systems are hormonal processes, and both end with ATP in your cells. BUT hunger and satiety signals are also hormonal processes, which is (probably) currently keyed to glycogenesis. Your body is getting the energy from ketogenesis, but the satiety is bypassing the 'I'm full' hormone. Secondary problem, cells that has existed only under glycogenesis can also be very inefficient while first switching over to accepting energy from ketogenesis. These cells lack metabolic flexibility. Even if plenty of energy is available, the cells are inept at accessing it, thus signal hunger.   

Swick, sorry if that was information you already know. No one likes being pedantically lectured. If this is new information to anyone, try reading about being a fat burning beast. Just type the phrase into Google.

DISCLAIMER: Like the two (2!) current posts about religion, food politics are contentious. Debate rages about the necessity of metabolic flexibility. It may, or may not be important. Potatoes, grains, legumes, etc may, or may not be harm for you. This post neither endorses, nor rejects, the theory of paleolithic diets. 

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« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2015, 12:34:40 PM »
Thanks, Sailor Sam - given me some new stuff to check out. I vaguely remember reading some keto stuff a while ago, none of it really sunk in though.

Hmm so this is Day 4 for us?

Random thoughts:

Enjoying pecan milk in coffee a lot.  Coffee is my main use of non-cultured dairy so this might be something I keep up with, at least until I wean myself off coffee, which in reality is probably not going to be during this challenge.

I am not use to eating so much meat, and I'm not enjoying it. We really aren't eating a lot - but we tend to use meat as an accent with whole grains and legumes.

Also not enjoying eating so many veggies, I think we just need some more variety. We have burned through our CSA (We usually struggle with that) so we are picking up some more veggies today and a wider variety.

Hubby made a pretty great ketchup type sauce out of some oven roasted tomatoes I made and some red pepper paste. It is helping, but he is really not a fan of eggs. Breakfasts are proving to be a challenge for him.

Today I made some chestnut flour crepes with eggs, coconut milk, ghee, and filled them with stewed raspberries and strawberries and used the pecans pulp leftover from making the milk. I have had the chestnut flour in my freezer for like, two years.

We debated heavily if this was considered "cheating" or not, but pancakes aren't a trigger food for us and we had some great discussions about "why" we are doing the whole 30. For us it is more about resetting out bodies learning to love whole, nutrient dense food again and figuring out if we have any food intolerances. Hubs is feeling especially down about having to eat so many eggs day in and day out for breakfast. Yes we can do dinner leftovers, but he is going to be getting those for lunches once he starts work and having something else for breakfast that fills him up is a good thing. On that note, he said he didn't pass from stuffed right  to hungry after eating them, so that is a win!

How is everyone else doing?




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« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2015, 01:36:01 PM »
Hey Ho, Swick. I am plonking right along. The raging hunger continues. My calorie intake is good, so I'm just accepting the hunger. The quality of the hunger makes me think I'm in ketosis, which is a-okay with me. My wife is far away, and insulated from my horrifically terrible mood. Sadly, my underlings are ruing the day their mummies looked funny at their daddies. 

Getting to the philosophy is always the fun part for me. Those crepes would have been considered sex with your pants on in my household. This is my second Whole30, and part of my joy is to really crank down the specifics. First time around I never found compliant bacon, and used stock with sugar in it, and I ate butter. I'm sure there were other sins. This time around is about being exactly within the guidelines. Just to see if I can do it. Plus, I ain't gonna lie, I want to lose 10 lbs. So my motivations are intellectual rigorousness and fat loss. I already know my food sensitivities, so that part doesn't interest me.

Has your husband considered a sweet potato hash type dish for breakfast? It's dead easy:

Cube a sweet potato

Cube some pancetta (or bacon if you have compliant. Bore's Head pancetta is good to go.)

Cube an apple

Get a pot. Soup pot size works best for me

Render the pancetta, then remove from the pot

Add the sweet potato. Lower heat to low-ish but not super low. You still want a little sizzle from the pot, but not much. Cover. Cook until potatoes are soft. Brown em a little (if you like that sort of thing). ~20 min for 0.5" cubes.

Add the apple, and put the pancetta back in. Cook for another 5 minutes

Serve or store

Delicious both warm, and cold. The carbs in the sweet potato and apple might help with the hunger-->full-->hunger swings. One pro-tip: make small cubes, around 0.5". Otherwise the cooking time is horrendous.

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« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2015, 05:11:24 PM »
Day 11 almost done!  Yesterday and today I feeling bloated.  But I'm sure this is just a stage.

I also hate sweet potatoes.  I tried to make them as a 'bun' for my hamburger during my last Whole30, and I could choke them down since the burger out flavored the sweet potato.  I might try it again this time, since some homemade mayo.  Love hamburgers! :-)

Swick - I think you're fine with the crepes as long as it's not SWYPO. I can also take or leave pancakes, but still haven't made them. I have to agree that this would be really, really, really hard without liking eggs. I've had eggs every day for breakfast, made different ways, and I still love them.

I'm on my way to Costco to get me some yummy avocado oil....time for some mayo!

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« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2015, 06:36:35 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions and updates :)

The SWYPO is a very interesting concept we have been talking lots about. I totally get you know, making desserts out of nuts and that sort of thing - it's always been my main beef with Paleo - and the whole well eat like a caveman, vs. actual scientific data relating to gut/hormone/digestion. I can eat tons of crap because "technically" it is paleo.

The thing about SWYPO is for us, that is the idea of eating a lot of meat. We don't eat that much and use it as a flavour agent because we have chosen to only buy ethically raised, local organic meat. So we eat pretty healthy (okay, discounting the carb heavy homemade bread and pasta and slipping into junk food lately - but heavy on whole grains and legumes (damn I miss my lentils) and I have a bad habit of skipping breakfast in favour of homebrewed lattes and I drink far too much milk instead of eating real food.

I think for us, we want to connect with our food and bodies and do it in a way that is not a punishing drag. So something like crepes, if chosen consciously is fine - but we are absolutely not allowing anything that is not allowed in the program. I have to make my own fish sauce because I couldn't find one without sugar in it. Yes, you only use a miniscule amount, but that is where we are drawing the line, a little less concerned with the SWYPO - although we aren't going to be making paleo desserts, pizza and things like that.

Mom22boys - Le us know how your mayo experiment goes!

I might be feeding hubs soup for breakfast as soon as I can get some bone broth made :D  I probably would have already except I haven't had any bones and all the stocks int he store have sugar in em. Boy does grocery shopping take forever when you are reading everything!

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« Reply #60 on: September 11, 2015, 09:34:06 PM »
Ohhh so I totally didn't realize my *favorite* chicken wing recipe is whole 30 friendly! (I use less salt, and pickled jalapeno as I always have a jar in the fridge) Had a few wings and a big ass salad for supper :D

http://www.thekitchenmagpie.com/amazing-salt-and-pepper-chicken-wings#

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« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2015, 12:13:12 PM »
Mom22boys, I'd also like to know if you survived the mayo experiment.

Ohhh so I totally didn't realize my *favorite* chicken wing recipe is whole 30 friendly!

Winning!

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« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2015, 05:54:14 PM »
Holy schnikes! Making mayo is so easy! I followed the whole 30 recipe, but did mix the oils. I tried part olive oil, part avocado oil. I put it all into the mixing container that came with the immersion blender, mixed, and voilą, mayo!

I have to be honest, I'm not blown away with the flavor. It's kinda blahhh. I'm going to use it on my hamburger tonight and see what its like with stuff. I might just need to add some spices and flavor it up.


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« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2015, 06:06:43 PM »
Eirene and Naomi, haven't heard from you in a while. Still on track?

Absolutely, just haven't been around the forums over the last week or so :) Now reading through the thread and bookmarking recipes like crazy.

So far over the first twelve days my main dishes for lunch have been 1) roast chicken 2) Thai chicken curry 3) ground beef with veggies. Breakfast is coconut milk smoothie and fruit and dinner is salad with eggs or leftovers from the lunch dish. Sunny side up eggs made with ghee are fantastic. Ghee generally is fantastic, quite the discovery. Snacks are coconut oil with a spoonful of 100% cocoa powder or nuts (pecans, hazelnuts, macadamia and almonds).

No carb flu this time - I'd been mostly paleo for the last several months, apart from a mad carb binge in August, so there's that.

Sailor Sam, a raging hunger is not a good thing - the beauty of low carb (paleo, whole30 and similar) is that you are supposed to eat when you are hungry. A steak, mayo on top of a soft-boiled egg, a handful of nuts, a salad drenched in olive oil are all good options.

Oh, and I tried to make mayo again and it was a soggy sorry mess. My mum is visiting tomorrow so I'll ask her to show me. She said making mayo using an immersion blender is super-easy but that has not my experience at all, sad to say.

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« Reply #64 on: September 13, 2015, 01:01:43 PM »
Hi Eirene, yes. I should have eaten more. But I was kind of enjoying the hunger. Like the bracing cold in that magic half hour before you realize that all that tingling in your toes is actually the formation of ice crystals that will rend your toesies into blackened flesh blobs. I stopped enjoying it yesterday, so I fixed it.     

The other part of the problem was ketosis. I've read a lot about ketogenic diets, and I wanted to try actually being in ketosis. I read about keto a lot, which seems to be equal to reading a lot about hiking Everest. Envision an armchair hiker 4 hours outside of base camp on the actual mountain that is actually called Everest. Imagine the flailing and crying and the theistic bargaining. Extrapolate.

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« Reply #65 on: September 13, 2015, 08:34:32 PM »
Imagine the flailing and crying and the theistic bargaining.

Vividly :)

Did you get into ketosis? There are OTC urine strips that check for that but I've never used them.

My understanding is that as long as you eat high-fat little-to-no-carbs you get into ketosis which should happen on the whole30 plan as long as one doesn't go crazy with the fruit or nuts.

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« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2015, 10:10:59 PM »
I think I'm on my way, but not quite there yet.

Too much protein. Not enough fat. The protein converts to glucose (who knew?), which kills the ketosis engine. Interestingly, the extra protein also made me so thirsty that I ended up washed critical sodium out of system. So much drinking, and so much peeing, without ever being unthirsty. I really worked myself into an awful spiral of misery.

Yesterday I drank some salt water which fixed the thirst within 2 hours. This morning I made an avocado, almond butter, and spinach smoothie with coconut cream as the slurry. Mayo at lunch. Pancetta grease, oil, and drippings at dinner. Hunger is dramatically better, and the peeing is under control. I'm sure you're most relieved about the last point. (See what I did there?)

It's so foreign to eat this much fat. I have no idea how to accomplish it, aside from drinking oil or spooning up mayo. So it's definitely a work in progress.

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« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2015, 04:24:13 AM »
It's so foreign to eat this much fat. I have no idea how to accomplish it, aside from drinking oil or spooning up mayo. So it's definitely a work in progress.

That sounds really horrible. My current brain can't wrap my head around the idea of keto quite yet.

Yesterday was pretty good, ended up going to my parents for dinner and my mom cooked the steak salad with cumin lime dressing from the Whole 30 book, which she leant me, so I didn't have to buy :D Also got to gorge on garden veggies, was pretty awesome.

Today - woke up with a fucking horrible hang-over. Massive headache, symptoms not quite but very similar to a fybro flare-up. aching, tired - despite having slept for over 10 hours. Hubs wasn't much better, possibly more tired.

We powered through and had some wins. Looking through some of my mom's cookbooks, hubs realized that there are tons of Thai dishes that are or could very easily b e whole 30. This excited him greatly. He had never had Tom Ka Kai soup, so I made a big ass pot for lunch today. He loved it and we have some mason jars in the fridge for future meals.

I also broke down an 18 pound Turkey! Never done it before and don't really like handling raw meat, so this was big. Roasted one breast, some of which we turned into Thai lettuce wraps with an almond butter sauce instead of a peanut sauce. I had to make my own fish sauce for both as I can't find one in Canada that doesn't have sugar. I settled on Anchovy paste with a little bit of hot water and some coconut amino's. Worked pretty well, probabaly needs more salt though.

I have two crockpots of Turkey stock on the go which I am super excited about!

For breakfast this morning we left it too late and wanted something super quick so we threw some chopped banana, a few rasins, some toasted coconut, and some pecan pulp in a bowl and drizzled it with almond butter and some coconut cream. Was pretty tasty. Started to realize we really need to view it as "meal 1-3" Instead of "Breakfast, Lunch, dinner" It is a work in progress. Hubs says he is okay having soup for breakfast, so that is a start.

Had some good discussions about food philosophy and cravings and how to evaluate if we really want to eat something - take home being we need to eat more consciously for sure. Also, Hubby didn't like either of the reintroduction methods. He thought the 10-day one was too fast to see any cumulative effects, but basically leaving it for "whenever something came up" didn;t seem like a good idea because then it is too isolated to get a clear idea - and if you do it that way you just know whatever you want to eat is going to have more then one food group. he wants to go more sciency - so I'm leaving the experiment parameters to him to draw up :)

Mom22Boys - Congrats on trying the Mayo! As far as taste goes - You might just have to experiment with flavour add-ins. I don't think I have ever made a "Normal" mayo without something tasty added. I like lots of lemon, white pepper and garlic.

I made basically a "ranch" mayo out of fresh garden herbs, salt and a clove of garlic which was awesome! 

One thing to keep in mind, for Mayo it is really worth the splurge to source the best eggs you can. SO much of the flavour of mayo depends on the egg. The taste difference between a conventional battery hen egg and a farm-fresh egg is night and day. I am lucky enough to get farm-fresh duck eggs, they make the most decadent indulgent mayo.

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« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2015, 04:43:55 AM »
swick - "Started to realize we really need to view it as "meal 1-3" Instead of "Breakfast, Lunch, dinner" It is a work in progress."

I agree with this and I may be coming at it from a different perspective since I work nights, but I almost never eat a typical breakfast -even before starting this. My meals are generally meat, potatoes, and a vegetable or soup/stew...something like that.

Right now, I'm making meatloaf and it's 4:30 am here. Which leads me to my first instance of breaking the rules. I used the last of my pasta sauce (compliant) and then opened the next jar and it didn't pop up, smelled kind of weird, and had a little dent in the lid. So, I threw that out and used the other jar I had which has 6 grams of sugar in 1/2 cup. I didn't use a whole 1/2 cup, but my meatloaf will have maybe 4-5 grams of added sugar. Oh well, I'm not going to stress over it -even though I admit I technically broke the rules and you're supposed to start over (not going to do that either).
I've got to get my receipts together because I have bought a few more things, but first I'm going to eat some meatloaf.

I think I'm going to try the coconut oil and cocoa powder some of you have mentioned. Well, first I'd have to buy some cocoa powder, but I do have the coconut oil.

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« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2015, 05:04:40 AM »
swick - "Started to realize we really need to view it as "meal 1-3" Instead of "Breakfast, Lunch, dinner" It is a work in progress."

I agree with this and I may be coming at it from a different perspective since I work nights, but I almost never eat a typical breakfast -even before starting this. My meals are generally meat, potatoes, and a vegetable or soup/stew...something like that.

Right now, I'm making meatloaf and it's 4:30 am here. Which leads me to my first instance of breaking the rules. I used the last of my pasta sauce (compliant) and then opened the next jar and it didn't pop up, smelled kind of weird, and had a little dent in the lid. So, I threw that out and used the other jar I had which has 6 grams of sugar in 1/2 cup. I didn't use a whole 1/2 cup, but my meatloaf will have maybe 4-5 grams of added sugar. Oh well, I'm not going to stress over it -even though I admit I technically broke the rules and you're supposed to start over (not going to do that either).
I've got to get my receipts together because I have bought a few more things, but first I'm going to eat some meatloaf.

I think I'm going to try the coconut oil and cocoa powder some of you have mentioned. Well, first I'd have to buy some cocoa powder, but I do have the coconut oil.

I think if I knew if I accidently ate off-plan and HAD to start over, I would never attempt it in the first place. I know you "should" But I am really trying to adapt the mindset that "done is better than perfect"

Thank you fro sharing your costs, I am not that brave. We have torpedoed our food budget - I have actually stopped keeping track because I don't want to depress myself. With higher Canadian prices and having to get super expensive specialty ingredients (Meat, ghee, coconut milk, coconut amino's, nuts) it is killing the budget. I am hoping it will even out because we are eating more nutritionally dense food we can buy less? I feel like I am dropping money every damn time I turn around. I know it should get better as we figure it out but damn it is discouraging.

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« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2015, 10:56:27 AM »
Made this last night: http://thehonoursystem.com/2015/05/04/chicken-cauliflower-fried-rice-gluten-free-paleo/

WAY more filling than actual fried rice, and quite good.  Our first time using coconut aminos; tasted (and smelled) a surprising amount like soy sauce.  Good stuff.  We also used a lot more cooking fat than the recipe called for (sesame oil plus pasture-raised lard).

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« Reply #71 on: September 14, 2015, 12:12:05 PM »
Keep the recipes coming!  Thanks for the new recipe Ketchup. Cauliflower rice is next on my list of things to try. This weekend I made the braised cabbage you linked earlier and it was YUMMY!  You were so right that the aroma in the house was divine.  I made grilled shrimp with my last coconut curry sauce, and mixed it in with the cabbage.  So dang good!

Last night I made the prosciutto wrapped mini frittatas.   http://nomnompaleo.com/post/108052236893/whole30-day-14-prosciutto-wrapped-mini-frittata
Of course I had to try one right out of the oven. Delicious!  It was a little time consuming to make, but it will save me time in the morning all this week.




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« Reply #72 on: September 14, 2015, 07:27:19 PM »
Today - woke up with a fucking horrible hang-over. Massive headache, symptoms not quite but very similar to a fybro flare-up. aching, tired - despite having slept for over 10 hours. Hubs wasn't much better, possibly more tired.

Ah, the dreaded carb-flu. It will go away on its own in a day or two, just wait it out :)

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« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2015, 04:28:06 AM »
I know a whole 30 can be done cheaper, but for me if I'm going to eat meat and eggs, I'm going to spend more $ for them and not just buy from the grocery store. It's just a personal decision.
My latest receipts are more of the same -which is probably why I'm really bored with this. I've got to go back through this thread and try some new meals.

chicken - $14.60 (1.72 lbs)
beef -$8.69 (1 lb)
tomatoes, green beans, onions, garlic - $12.78
grapes, watermelon - $11.59
$47.66 - $2 coupon I had for the meat = $45.66
Total so far - $117.38.


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« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2015, 07:49:44 AM »
Today - woke up with a fucking horrible hang-over. Massive headache, symptoms not quite but very similar to a fybro flare-up. aching, tired - despite having slept for over 10 hours. Hubs wasn't much better, possibly more tired.

Ah, the dreaded carb-flu. It will go away on its own in a day or two, just wait it out :)

ugh....yucky! Cue teeny tiny violins..... :) The day did not get better and this morning isn't looking good. A whole host of stomach and digestion issues piled on - that is the one system that usually works great and I have no issues with. I don't know how people with chronic digestion issues do it.

On that note, major kudos to anyone doing this who has to leave the house. I'm very glad I am working from home.

Luckily, hubs doesn't seem to be having near the issues I am. Other than feeling a raging hunger for the first three days or so, he is doing fine. I'm having a hard time figuring out what is the cuase of what since I started the program sick.

And in the time it has taken me to write this (been off and on helping hubs get ready for work) My allergies have arrived with a vengeance. I haven't had any issues for weeks....these are all good signs, aren't they?

Think I am going to distract myself by frying some duck eggs, crisping up a slice of prosciutto and warming up some of the oven roasted cherry tomatoes and sauteed 'shrooms I made yesterday.


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« Reply #75 on: September 15, 2015, 08:39:00 PM »
OH MY PEOPLE, I have a new love. It is cauliflower.

I've never been a fan of cauliflower. It's translucent, and bland, and tastes like cauliflower. Then there was cauliflower rice.

You know the sad kid in your 2nd grade class? The sickly allergic kid with the big eyes, chowing down on frozen grapes during an peanut butter lactose gluten ice cream party? Remember him saying very loudly how much he loved grapes when clearly he would suck your life blood for a single taste of non-death ice cream? You remember that kid???

That was pretty much my vision of cauliflower rice. All that enthusiasm was frozen grape fakery. I even tried cauliflower rice. Once. Same same, except mushy. Revolting. Then I found THIS, and my life has changed.

Everyone of you must go make this now. Right now. Flee towards the cauliflower! Because it tastes nothing like cauliflower!

ETA: also, it tastes nothing like rice, but wtf ever. It's still glorious.

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« Reply #76 on: September 15, 2015, 10:28:57 PM »

That was pretty much my vision of cauliflower rice. All that enthusiasm was frozen grape fakery. I even tried cauliflower rice. Once. Same same, except mushy. Revolting. Then I found THIS, and my life has changed.

Everyone of you must go make this now. Right now. Flee towards the cauliflower! Because it tastes nothing like cauliflower!

ETA: also, it tastes nothing like rice, but wtf ever. It's still glorious.

You know I have tried cauliflower rice several times and thought it was ok....but the mush was a problem. This has me intrigued, thanks for sharing :)

Had a big salad with some garlic cilantro lime dressing (made from duck egg mayo) with some pan fried turkey breast chunks and a sliced up venison pepperoni. Served with a side of baked sweet potato wedges. Was a pretty good dinner. Wish I feeling good enough to enjoy it :S

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« Reply #77 on: September 16, 2015, 02:53:56 PM »
How are you feeling today Swick?  My last 3 days I've been grumpy, tired, bloated, and sleeping poorly. Our bodies are amazing how they go through different phases. The good news is that I feel better today, even after spending two hours in the middle of the night trying to get a stupid smoke alarm to stop chirping. It is Murphy's law that they will ALWAYS start to chirp in the middle of the night. The stupid thing malfunctioned, not the battery.

I need to cook up some bigger batches of food again.  Ha....forgot to mention that I made a beautiful pot of chili on Sunday (w/o beans of course).  Right after I added the organic beef broth, I read the ingredients.  You guessed it, non-compliant.  Epic failure on my part!  Have I not learned anything from this??? The work 'organic' was all I read and assumed....and it obviously made an a** out of me.  My boys wouldn't eat it because it's loaded with peppers, so into the freezer it went.  I'll be eating it after day 30 I guess.

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« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2015, 03:03:01 PM »
Thanks for checking in, Mom22boys :) I woke up feeling horrible again. For someone who's digestive track works like clockwork and I've never had any issues, it's taking a beating. I wouldn't think it would be because I'm not getting enough fiber with all the veggies I'm eating, I don't know, just hoping this stage will pass.

I have been sleeping better - falling asleep faster and dreaming more vividly (damn, I really don't need it) and so far the extra sleep I have been doing in the day hasn't been keeping me up at night, so obviously I need it.

Today, I'm just determined to keep moving. I have spent most of the day making a Shepard's pie. It is rainy and drizzly and figured hubs would like something besides salad after getting home from work :)

Too bad about the chili, at least you will have a freezer meal for the future! Yeah, I was shocked at how many things have sugar, soy or other non-complient stuff. Grocery shopping takes FOREVER, even with trying to stick to the outsides of the store.

How is everyone else doing? Updates? Successes, challenges?

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« Reply #79 on: September 16, 2015, 03:20:55 PM »
We've been doing great.  GF and I have both noticed that we're feeling less hungry overall, and our bodies are more responsive to regulating our appetite in general.  For example, two nights ago we both ate an absolutely gigantic dinner (chicken breast with spinach, mushrooms, and pecans; supreme, but 2.79lbs of chicken consumed among the two of us: oops).  Neither of us were hungry for breakfast the next morning, and then had a very small lunch before returning to a sensibly sized dinner last night.  I feel like before this, we would have eaten the gigantic meal and then had business-as-usual-sized meals following without any change.

Her teeth have felt better too, which was another goal.  Her teeth were beat up pretty badly by a childhood of sugar and sugar with a side of sugar and sugar to wash it down.

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« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2015, 08:21:13 AM »
Today....I want to eat everything and anything.  Can I make chocolate chip cookies for breakfast?

I'm overly tired, and being a single mom really sucks. My oldest son struggles in school, which means every night after work it's hard to get supper made, then struggle to motivate him to do homework. Last night was a totally failure with homework, and I finally got so frustrated that I just told him to go to bed. I never yell, but I'm sure he could hear the frustration in my voice. Then of course I woke up at 2 am trying to think of solutions to this. Should I see if I can leave work earlier so I can pick up the boys from school, giving me more time to work with him? Maybe my mom can stay with us for a while and help? Do I pull the boys out of soccer to have more time, but I hate doing that since I'm trying to teach them commitment. And on and on....couldn't turn my brain off. It's frustrating because their dad (who used to be a teacher) just doesn't 'see' the problems, so will often tell me that the issue is all ME. 

Taking the time to make healthy meals just adds another level of stress sometimes. I guess I can at least claim victory that amidst all this crap, I have still stayed on plan...even if it means only eating an apple with almond butter for supper. Anyway....sorry for being a complainy pants this morning. Today can only get better. :-)

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« Reply #81 on: September 17, 2015, 12:36:10 PM »
We've been doing great.  GF and I have both noticed that we're feeling less hungry overall, and our bodies are more responsive to regulating our appetite in general. 

Yay Sounds like a good place to be in! Very interesting about your GF's teeth as well.

 We are starting to feel more regulated as well.  I'm actually wondering if I am eating enough, but feel pretty good about the hunger and satiety signals right now.

Mom22boys - I think you are totally allowed to vent/complain. It sounds like you have a ton on your plate that would send most people into a spiral of wine, chocolate and comfort eating. GOOD JOB sticking with the program!

Some totally unsolicited ideas:
 - Readjust how homework is done. Does your sun need direct help, or just supervision while he is doing it? Could you move a table into the kitchen area so you can help and prep at the same time?

 - Do you know what kind of learning styles he favours and can you help in his homework by utilizing them? If his homework is taking hours and hours because he has an aversion to writing or trouble with motor-control, you could speak with his teachers and see if he can utilize a different method. Maybe he can answer questions verbally into a recording app. Maybe he can create a game or do something else that shows his knowledge.

 - If he is an auditory learner, it might help for him to discuss his homework and problems THEN write them down. This he can do with you while you are preparing meals. It just gives him a chance to organize his thoughts verbally, which often makes the writing easier. Also, having him teach you what he learned is a really good way of cementing learning and discovering knowledge gaps.

 - How old are your boys? Is there any chance you can get them involved/interested in simple meal prep? It would be a great way to teach them life skills and take some of the responsibility off your back.

 - Do you have a schedule that you stick to and everyone is familiar with? It might help give the kids some structure and know what to expect. Family dinner prep/meal time might be a part of this, and a certain time for homework and some built in relaxing time before bed, but they only get screen time (or whatever) if everything else is done.

Have a great day, don't let in any thoughts about how other people might think you are doing. You are doing great, you are making healthy choices for your family and you will figure it out. You ROCK!


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« Reply #82 on: September 17, 2015, 03:20:24 PM »
Thank you, thank you, thank you for the kind words Swick.  I know I'm doing the best I can right now, with what I know.  It's the what I don't know/how to help that frustrates me. I appreciate all the ideas you listed too.

My boys are in 2nd and 4th grade.  My 2nd grader loves school, and is a natural learner.  Thankfully!  This means I can spend more time with my 4th grader (but that also makes me feel guilty a bit too). My 4th grader has struggled from day one, with teachers thinking he was ADD, possibly dyslexic. I haven't had him 'formally' tested, since I hate to put a label on him. Rather we need to figure out how to best learn, etc. So, we did tutoring for at least 6 months with a local group that specializes in dyslexia, and it did nothing. A friend's mom mentioned checking his eyes. He has 20/20, but what I didn't know is that his eyes don't track together (kinda like a lazy eye). We've done eye therapy for 1 1/2 years, and are ALMOST done. The eye therapy exercises at home would take 45-60 minutes a night!  This is greatly helped with his reading, but definitely hasn't solved many issues.

His attention span for homework is about 2 second....oh look at that pretty butterfly outside...oh Mom has anyone ever gone to the bottom of the ocean and lived....and so on. He does his homework at the dinner table right next to where I prep food and cook, so I'm really close. I've tried to give him freedom to finish homework on his own, I'm tried working him on everything, and so far haven't found a good method. I've already emailed with his teacher, so I'll be meeting with her soon to see what options we have. And my policy is NO screen time at all during the school week. But, I have even tried the reward this week that 'If you're done by 7:30, you can watch America Ninja Warrior' or play iPad for 15 minutes.

So, I'm hoping his teacher will have some ideas and things we can try both at home and school. I'm sure I haven't answered all your questions, but hopefully that gives you an overview. I'm feeling better, and like I said, it's a HUGE victory for me to not dive into chocolate in response. :-)

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« Reply #83 on: September 18, 2015, 07:34:32 AM »
Ok, back on topic.  I had a last minute business trip pop up for next week.  I'll be gone part of Tues, Wedn and coming home Thursday.  This is my first business trip on the Whole30 and I'll try my best to keep on plan, but it may be hard. It will be easy to do a steak/baked potato and maybe salads for the meals out in the evening.  I'm primarily concerned about the catered lunch at the customer's site on Wednesday. With it being at a customer site, it's not really something I can bring my canned tuna/can opener with.  :-)

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« Reply #84 on: September 18, 2015, 08:10:41 AM »
Hi Mom22boys - quick thought about your son, if he does have ADD/ADHD he might benefit from keeping his body active while he is trying to do homework. I have had kids who have had success using an exercise ball instead of a chair at the table. Also keeping a mini-trampoline/rebounder set up in the corner for breaks, or even to jump on while studying things that are verbal like spelling lists and such.

There are some essential oils that can help with studying/memory and focus. Here is a VERY basic link http://www.balancedbodyworkmassagetherapy.com/the-balanced-bodyworker-blog/aromatherapy-for-students-essential-oils-for-studying-exams-and-better-sleep I tend to recommend a blend of rosemary, basil, and peppermint. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me

Okay back on topic ;) Is there any way you can have a baggie of nuts and seeds, maybe some protein  in your bag that you can slip on top of salad greens for your catered meal?  I can see it being tough, especially if it is a sit-down meal. IS there any chance you can casually ask what is being served? You could just say you have developed some dietary restrictions and would happy to bring your own meal if needed.

For breakfasts, er..."meal 1" Hubs has been having a chopped banana, few raisins, toasted coconut with some almond butter and coconut milk. These are all shelf-stable, so might help you with your morning meal, especially if you are staying in a hotel.

SO GLAD IT'S FRIDAY! Will make it much easier not having to worry about Hubby's lunches and will have some more Kitchen help. Hubs has been awesome about helping me in the evenings, but it just seems like cooking like this creates so.so. many more dishes. 

Planning to do some batch cooking, meal prep for the week ahead. Anyone have any recipes or prep tips that have worked really well for them?

The Turkey breast we roasted last weekend just finished up. We have been dicing it and adding it to soups but mostly used it as a salad topper, reheated and pan fried with some spices it has been going very well with the cilantro lime dressing out of the whole 30 cookbook.

Definitely want to try the roasted cauliflower rice that Sailor Sam recommends. Thinking maybe a batch of Curry might be on order.

I'm on day 11 - which according to the timeline yesterday and today are suppose to be the "hardest days" Interestingly, I'm not really craving anything. I am missing the act of cooking my favorite foods, especially as the weather turns. But I am able to step outside of my emotions and cravings and realizing them for what they are. When measured up to the question of" "Do I really, truly, want it? and if so, why?"it has pretty much stopped any cravings before they have taken hold. This is pretty big for me because usually I say, "no, not really" and proceed to eat it anyway :)

Right - million dollar question: How is everyone else doing today?

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« Reply #85 on: September 18, 2015, 08:53:54 AM »
Hey Mom22boys, here's my semi-solicited advice. It's free!

Re catered lunch: I have a very severe allergy to casein, which is the protein molecule in dairy. My allergy has surprisingly far reaching consequences, because many, many packaged foods use whey as a filler* or lactose as a sweetener. If I eat dairy, even trace amounts, I vomit pretty uncontrollably within minutes.$ When I run into catered food, I just bring my own lunch or go hungry. I admit it can be momentarily embarrassing, but the embarrassment is all mine. No one has EVER been offended, or even looked at me funny.

Re food access: do convenience stores in AUS sell hard boiled eggs? I find those super convenient on business trips. Avocados are also a self-packaged food, but don't forget a knife and spoon. Bananas, if you're into that thing. Lara bars for food deserts. If you order salad dressing on the side, no one will notice if you don't eat it. Sweartogod. You can also buy paleo versions of granola, which you can eat dry as long as you have good jaw muscles.


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« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2015, 09:56:46 AM »
Hey all - I saw this discussion the other day and had never heard of the Whole30 so I furiously began reading about the program. Now I'm on Day 4 and I feel pretty great already!

I had my gallbladder removed 3 1/2 years ago, so I've struggled with some pretty serious digestive problems over the years and they seemed to be getting worse. So I thought this would be a great way to hone in on what's causing my problems. So far, I'm still struggling, but I hope it's just my gut 're-setting' itself.

I know I'll be ending the program later than everyone, but I'm just happy to be on the path too!

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« Reply #87 on: September 18, 2015, 10:18:22 AM »
Hey all - I saw this discussion the other day and had never heard of the Whole30 so I furiously began reading about the program. Now I'm on Day 4 and I feel pretty great already!

I had my gallbladder removed 3 1/2 years ago, so I've struggled with some pretty serious digestive problems over the years and they seemed to be getting worse. So I thought this would be a great way to hone in on what's causing my problems. So far, I'm still struggling, but I hope it's just my gut 're-setting' itself.

I know I'll be ending the program later than everyone, but I'm just happy to be on the path too!

Welcome! So excited you are joining us. The cool thing is some people started beginning of the month, some started on the 8th, with me and some have done the "whole 30" before and are lending advice and support :) feel free to share your experiences! This is a great little community for commiserating and having suggestions to get through it :)

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« Reply #88 on: September 18, 2015, 12:57:56 PM »
Hey all - I saw this discussion the other day and had never heard of the Whole30 so I furiously began reading about the program. Now I'm on Day 4 and I feel pretty great already!

I had my gallbladder removed 3 1/2 years ago, so I've struggled with some pretty serious digestive problems over the years and they seemed to be getting worse. So I thought this would be a great way to hone in on what's causing my problems. So far, I'm still struggling, but I hope it's just my gut 're-setting' itself.

I know I'll be ending the program later than everyone, but I'm just happy to be on the path too!

Awesome!  So glad you were intrigued and followed through with reading up on it.  I'll likely keep going into October for a while, so there will still be some of us on the journey.

My plan for the weekend is more new foods!  I'm definitely going to try the roasted cauliflower rice that Sailor Sam posted earlier.  With that, I want to make the Kalua Pig from http://nomnompaleo.com/post/10031990774/slow-cooker-kalua-pig.  I haven't found compliant bacon yet, so I'm going to try it with prosciutto (left from my egg frittatas) and add smoked paprika. I am so craving a steak, but I'm going to save my money (yeah for Savetember challenge) and eat that on my business trip.  Double win!

Sailor Sam - Thanks for the ideas.  I was planning to bring bananas and nuts.  Yes, you can usually find hard boiled eggs, so that's added to my list. I can find those in the airports a lot.

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« Reply #89 on: September 20, 2015, 10:39:47 AM »
Joining this thread! I've completed a Whole30 a couple of years ago and felt fantastic. I'm doing another one to see if it will help with my seasonal allergies and asthma.  My favorite thing about doing a Whole30 is how well I sleep when I completely cut out sugar!

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« Reply #90 on: September 20, 2015, 11:56:47 AM »
Joining this thread! I've completed a Whole30 a couple of years ago and felt fantastic. I'm doing another one to see if it will help with my seasonal allergies and asthma.  My favorite thing about doing a Whole30 is how well I sleep when I completely cut out sugar!

Yeah!  Glad you're joining us Liz. I've read that it can really help with allergies, so that will be interesting to see your results. Agree with the sleep.  I slept so hard last night, it was amazing.

Well, the Kalua pig is in the crock pot, so I'm anticipating a wonderful supper.  I have to quick run to the grocery store and get the cauliflower. 

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« Reply #91 on: September 20, 2015, 01:41:36 PM »
Hubs had the worst night yet yesterday. He has really been struggling with the psychological cravings. He has very low energy and just seems, well, sad and depressed (which is so far from his normal character)

He is learning a lot about how our important our habits and traditions are and how much he looks forward to them. I should have thought about the weekend coming up and planned something awesome for Friday, I was sick, I didn't.

He has been lethargic at work all week. Part of the problem is he has to get up at 5:30 for work and the schedule has never really agreed with him and he finds it challenging at the best of times. It seems like the "whole 30" adds another layer to it.

We also haven't been eating the probiotics that we usually have tons of - Kimchi - Keifer - Yogurt and I think that is really affecting digestion for the both of us.  I found some Indian Spiced Sourkraut in the fridge last night and we have had a bit of that, still tastes a little weird. I'll make some Kimchi that doesn't use Korean Pepper paste, but that's still 12 or so days before we can eat it.

I made a pretty tasty frittata for breakfast which Hubby enjoyed. Planning on making a Butter Turkey for dinner with the roasted cauli rice.

How is everyone else doing?

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« Reply #92 on: September 21, 2015, 07:41:14 PM »
I started 5 days after the rest of you, but I am in. I had three days of intense sugar cravings, but other then that it's been pretty straight forward.  I have eaten paleo before, but was not eating this way in the months leading up to this.

A question:  Any ideas for getting the finances of a paleo diet under control? I live in an area where groceries are exorbitantly expensive. Farmer's markets are even more expensive then the grocery stores.  I am not currently in a place where I can buy half a cow, and if I did I would need to have it shipped from the other side of the country for it to be cheaper than buying the cuts I currently get. There are no ethnic markets in my area. There are no budget markets either. I am strongly biased towards organics.


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« Reply #93 on: September 21, 2015, 07:57:25 PM »
I started 5 days after the rest of you, but I am in. I had three days of intense sugar cravings, but other then that it's been pretty straight forward.  I have eaten paleo before, but was not eating this way in the months leading up to this.

A question:  Any ideas for getting the finances of a paleo diet under control? I live in an area where groceries are exorbitantly expensive. Farmer's markets are even more expensive then the grocery stores.  I am not currently in a place where I can buy half a cow, and if I did I would need to have it shipped from the other side of the country for it to be cheaper than buying the cuts I currently get. There are no ethnic markets in my area. There are no budget markets either. I am strongly biased towards organics.

Glad you are joining us. Are you in the US?  You can get coconut milk, nuts and lots of whole 30 friendly ingredients shipped from Amazon. The only suggestion I can make as far as meat is to hunt around and see if there are any farmers around you can buy direct from, I joined a local farming facebook page to figure out who was growing what in our area. If you are somewhere like Alaska it might be a matter of going heavy on the fish and wild game.

Recipes I made tonight:
Bacon Burger Meatloaf! Met the taste requirements of burgers without the rather unpalatable some sort of sliced veggie fake bun - http://www.feedtheclan.com/family-chow-101913-with-bacon-burger-meatloaf-recipe/

The Tomatillo Rach dressing from this recipehttp://www.plaidandpaleo.com/2014/06/tomatillo-ranch-chicken.html over a cabbage, carrot and zuccini slaw. Very tasty!

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« Reply #94 on: September 21, 2015, 08:44:34 PM »
^ Love the plaidandpaleo website, the chicken buffalo dip is one of my favorites!

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« Reply #95 on: September 21, 2015, 08:58:52 PM »
Swick, Thank you for your reply! I have found reasonable prices for non-perishables between sales, occasional costco runs, visiting cheaper places, amazon etc. It's more the perishables that are killing me. Conventional avocados are usually around $2 each. A bunch of kale runs me over $3. Yams are $3 a lb. I have found a couple of sources for grass fed ground beef and cheap roasts that are under $8 a lb, but in the two years I've been living in this area that seems to be the best I can do.  Local farmers that sell direct consistently charge over $10 a lb, often for hung weight... I am not quite willing to eat nothing but cabbage, carrots, and coconut oil. The food budgets that people post on this forum seem to come from a different planet. I travel too much for my job to garden.

Yes, I am in the US. I live in an affluent suburb in California. If I drive an hour, groceries are normal again.

I love the affects on my body, and I am willing to keep spending this if it's what I need to do.

What do others spend on a paleo diet?  I feel like the majority of the forum live in a cheaper place (like anywhere else, really) and bulk up on rice and beans to achieve the budget they post. I am not sure how to translate that to my own diet. I often spend more to feed one person then many here spend to feed a large family. I think this month it will be around $450.

Edited to add: gah. Sorry about the complaining :)  I am really enjoying the way eating this way is feeling, and it is awesome to have a group of others to ask these questions of.
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« Reply #96 on: September 21, 2015, 09:15:02 PM »
Swick, Thank you for your reply! I have found reasonable prices for non-perishables between sales, occasional costco runs, visiting cheaper places, amazon etc. It's more the perishables that are killing me. Conventional avocados are usually around $2 each. A bunch of kale runs me over $3. Yams are $3 a lb. I have found a couple of sources for grass fed ground beef and cheap roasts that are under $8 a lb, but in the two years I've been living in this area that seems to be the best I can do.  Local farmers that sell direct consistently charge over $10 a lb, often for hung weight... I am not quite willing to eat nothing but cabbage, carrots, and coconut oil. The food budgets that people post on this forum seem to come from a different planet. I travel too much for my job to garden.

Yes, I am in the US. I live in an affluent suburb in California. If I drive an hour, groceries are normal again.

I love the affects on my body, and I am willing to keep spending this if it's what I need to do.

What do others spend on a paleo diet?  I feel like the majority of the forum live in a cheaper place (like anywhere else, really) and bulk up on rice and beans to achieve the budget they post. I am not sure how to translate that to my own diet. I often spend more to feed one person then many here spend to feed a large family. I think this month it will be around $450.

Sounds like your prices are pretty on par with our in Canada, I feel your pain. $6.00 for ONE sweet potato? yeah it is a good size but still!

I certainly don't have the answers, Our food budget for this month ...well let's just say for the first time in years I have given up keeping track, I don't need the demotivation. 

We are willing to see if it makes a big enough difference to keep this eating style for a while. I'm kinda thinking we will. At least I have noticed that we are starting to eat quite a bit less now that things are settling out and we are getting more used to eating more fats and nutrient-dense foods. Maybe there is savings there?

I know there are quite a few threads on the forums about how to eat Paleo less expensively. Here is a pretty good master link of food topics on the boards:http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/the-ultimate-mustachian-food-guide/

I haven't really dug into the yet.  Especially with the higher food prices in Canada. Also, I know a lot of people save $ by getting cheap factory farmed meat and fish from China...I'm just not willing to do that. Having better health, being able to be more productive and having less chronic issues for me, would be worth the increase in food budget. We'll have to see, this month was an odd one, be interesting to see what the budget shakes out like going forward.

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Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
« Reply #97 on: September 22, 2015, 06:07:31 AM »
I do a mix of organic/pastured with non-organic/pastured.  Honestly, I'm a little skeptical of the whole organic movement, at least on the veggie and fruit foods.  I'm by no means an expert, but have done some reading on the topics, and I'm just not convinced. I DO buy org/past eggs, berries, hamburger from Costco. Plus, this month I'm buying a 1/4 side of beef from a friend (will be about 160 lb of meat).  I won't even tell you the price I'm paying (WAY lower than you mentioned Botanist).  :-)  For all my other things, I buy regular. For avocados, I always buy Wholly Guacamole, because it just ends up being cheaper for me, unless I need one for a dressing. I'm not a huge fan of avocado just plain.

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong....I just don't know.  But I DO know that even without going 100% organic/pastured, I still feel way better than I was before.  This time I'm going to actually do the reintroduction, at a slower pace like you mentioned Swick. I also feel like 4 days for adding back a food group just won't give me the time to fully recognize the impact to my body.  I'm hoping that I can at least add back rice to help with costs.  If not, then I guess cauliflower rice will have to do, which isn't so bad. :-)

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Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
« Reply #98 on: September 22, 2015, 07:34:34 AM »
Great thoughts, Mom22boys. We really focus on organic fruits and veg if we are going to be eating the skins. Most of the time we just try and grow our own, forage, or glean. This was a really crappy year for huckleberries which we usually rely on for our winter fruit supply. Not sure what we are going to do there. We do get an organic CSA fruit and veg delivery from a very small local farm.  For what we get, it is cheaper then shopping for conventional veg in the store and so so so much better! That ends when the season ends, so back to regular stuff for the winter :(

The roasted cauli-rice is a fair substitute, our problem is that even a contential cauliflower is 4.99 a  small head, which does us for about one meal and not enough for Hubby's lunch the next day, so it gets really expensive!

I'd say neither of us have experienced anything close to "tigerblood" and we are on day 15.

One thing I have noticed is it is really nice and not to have the daily cylce of "I want to eat this" "I shouldn't it this, I KNOW it is bad for me"  back and forth, back and forth. Then I finally say "fuck it" and eat it, then feel bad becuase I know I shouldn't have.  Amazing how much mental space that takes up when you do it several times a day!

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Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
« Reply #99 on: September 22, 2015, 08:00:44 AM »
Well!

I will be starting over. My wife had some unexpected free time, and came to visit me Fri-Mon. I haven't seen her since April, and I wasn't about to make our limited time more complicated through food restrictions. So I had sushi, and beer, and french fries. Glorious!

I took her to the airport at sparrow's fart this morning, so I suppose I'm back on track. Now I will wait until Thanksgiving for another wife visit. It's almost enough to make me get a consolation hamburger :(