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« Reply #2100 on: March 20, 2017, 04:14:36 PM »
Next time I do this I need more than 30 days clear. Because traveling with no real planning and eating what was offered while visiting was ick. Sugary "treats", fast food, way too much salt, grains with/as every meal. I feel hung over and a bit sleepy...but mostly just so stupid thirsty that I can't stand it. Another trip is immanent. Ugh!

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« Reply #2101 on: March 20, 2017, 07:26:44 PM »
Thanks, nottoolatetostart!  This thread has been wonderful and I enjoy reading about the experiences of others.  I think the Tiger Blood has kicked in - I am feeling energetic, no late afternoon slumps and I'm sleeping really well.  I just had an 11 hour day at work and I'm not tired at all.  I've also noticed my mood is more stable.  I'm hoping I can keep some of these healthy habits when I am off the Whole45.

I also found this recipe which looks amazing .  I'm going to try it this weekend.  Chorizo sausage sweet potato frittata with carmelized onions!  http://www.paleorunningmomma.com/paleo-sausage-sweet-potato-frittata/

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« Reply #2102 on: March 21, 2017, 04:46:03 AM »
Checking in. Day 4 is in the books.  First three days were super rough.  My energy plummeted and I could barely move.  I felt sick/nauseous and was not sleeping well.  This is an extreme change for me, since I normally have great energy and sleep like a baby.  I'll be honest -- I seriously thought about bailing out on this.  But then I thought about all the preparation I put into it, not to mention all the work Nottoolate put in, looking up recipes I could actually eat on my insane, AIP-extreme, food allergy version of the Whole30!  So i decided to stick it out a while longer.
   
I felt better yesterday and was able to go to work. Slept ok last night, so maybe I have turned the corner.  I read about what happens when you take a normal/healthy person and suddenly put them on a very low-carb diet, and sounds like pretty much what I experienced the first few days.   Strange -- did not expect my energy to dip quite so much. 

Very interesting experiment, this. It gives me a whole new appreciation of food as pure fuel.  And how our bodies react to varying proportions of protein, carb, and fats. 


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« Reply #2103 on: March 21, 2017, 08:38:16 AM »
Bergal - the recipe sounds great.

Trifele - gosh! I am so sorry to hear how incredibly rough these last few days have been. Do you think you are getting enough carbs? So weird you felt good before and now no good. Is it because you are going easier on running? I am glad you are feeling better today and get a little relief.  Don't worry about the recipes I found....it is something I enjoy and generally do every day depending on what ingredients I have on hand
 

Update: today is day 10 for me. I got a good night's rest last night finally without waking up. I am grouchy today for no good reason. So I feel meh. I am just trying to keep focused. Broke down and bought a spiralizer over the weekend. Made zoodles last night to go on top of a ginger coconut chicken (from Whole30 cookbook) and they were very, very good. I love how fast they cook. I realize  that this trend of spiralizing everything started years ago and just this weekend I hopped on the band wagon. Better late than never.

I did get pretty food sick on Sunday. I made the breakfast sausage tacos from the Whole 30 book - - so, so good.  Like reminded me of grad school days good. However, I rarely eat scrambled eggs even though I make them nearly every day for my kids. I may have a bite or two, no more than one egg to myself. Same thing with avocado...I don't eat a lot and was doing fine with eating up to a half in one sitting. The breakfast tacos had eggs and avocado in it and I felt terrible shortly after, like I had to lie down, husband watch kids, curl up in bed terrible for at least an hour. I don't know which one caused it but I had some of that same avocado later in the day in a steak salad and I was fine. So maybe the scrambled eggs bothered me? Or the sheer quantity in the breakfast tacos? The pork, lettuce, hot sauce were the only other ingredients, which I can eat no problem. It's not an experiment I want to try again.

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« Reply #2104 on: March 21, 2017, 10:44:06 AM »
Trifele - gosh! I am so sorry to hear how incredibly rough these last few days have been. Do you think you are getting enough carbs? So weird you felt good before and now no good.

I think you are right Nottoolate -- it was the sudden switch to very-low-carb.  Feeling much better today

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« Reply #2105 on: March 21, 2017, 11:28:50 AM »
I've started AIP reintro.  I added ghee back in and it is fine.  But yesterday I did green beans and then gave into a salt craving and had a handful of pumpkin seeds.  I woke up feeling all groggy and sore this morning.  So backing off for a couple of days and then I'll try again. One thing at a time.  The way you're actually supposed to do it. 

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« Reply #2106 on: March 22, 2017, 08:26:26 AM »

I did get pretty food sick on Sunday. I made the breakfast sausage tacos from the Whole 30 book - - so, so good.  Like reminded me of grad school days good. However, I rarely eat scrambled eggs even though I make them nearly every day for my kids. I may have a bite or two, no more than one egg to myself. Same thing with avocado...I don't eat a lot and was doing fine with eating up to a half in one sitting. The breakfast tacos had eggs and avocado in it and I felt terrible shortly after, like I had to lie down, husband watch kids, curl up in bed terrible for at least an hour. I don't know which one caused it but I had some of that same avocado later in the day in a steak salad and I was fine. So maybe the scrambled eggs bothered me? Or the sheer quantity in the breakfast tacos? The pork, lettuce, hot sauce were the only other ingredients, which I can eat no problem. It's not an experiment I want to try again.

If you are not used to eating breakfast and have a large amount of food, Your stomach can go into  "Nope, this is no good,  gotta digest this" mode which can leave you feeling pretty horrible. It took me a long time to get back into the habit of having breakfast and I had to start (and still often) have to eat little amounts spread out.

I'm so excited to see this thread as I am on Day 20 of the Whole30.  I was just going to give up alcohol for Lent then decided to do Whole30 and now I'm going to do Whole45 which will get me through Lent.  I feel great!  I had had a really annoying cough for MONTHS and could not shake it.  Turns out it was chronic post-nasal drip, likely aggravated by my addiction to cheese.  Four days after starting Whole30, the cough was gone!  I can breathe through my nose!!!!  Woo hoo.


Welcome, Bergal. Isn't it amazing when the breathing clears up? It's like you don't realize how bad it is until you don't have to live with it any longer! And speaking as a reformed cheese addict who said they would never, ever be able to give it up, it gets easier and the difference is so remarkable that you want to keep it up. I have found that my breathing goes to shit for about 8-12 hours, so the occasional worthy cheese splurge still happens, I just know what I'm going to pay for it now.

Next time I do this I need more than 30 days clear. Because traveling with no real planning and eating what was offered while visiting was ick. Sugary "treats", fast food, way too much salt, grains with/as every meal. I feel hung over and a bit sleepy...but mostly just so stupid thirsty that I can't stand it. Another trip is immanent. Ugh!

Ugh, sounds tough, Mongoose! Travel is hard to navigate at the best of times. Just make the best choices you can and try to limit the icky.

Checking in. Day 4 is in the books.  First three days were super rough.  My energy plummeted and I could barely move.  I felt sick/nauseous and was not sleeping well.  This is an extreme change for me, since I normally have great energy and sleep like a baby.  I'll be honest -- I seriously thought about bailing out on this.  But then I thought about all the preparation I put into it, not to mention all the work Nottoolate put in, looking up recipes I could actually eat on my insane, AIP-extreme, food allergy version of the Whole30!  So i decided to stick it out a while longer.
   
I felt better yesterday and was able to go to work. Slept ok last night, so maybe I have turned the corner.  I read about what happens when you take a normal/healthy person and suddenly put them on a very low-carb diet, and sounds like pretty much what I experienced the first few days.   Strange -- did not expect my energy to dip quite so much. 

Very interesting experiment, this. It gives me a whole new appreciation of food as pure fuel.  And how our bodies react to varying proportions of protein, carb, and fats. 


How are you doing, Trifele? Sounds like your body is going through quite an adjustment. I think you just have to power through, but also listen to your body and do what is best for you and disregard any arbitrary rules, especially with how strict you are being. You also need to make sure you have a healthy mindset, as such restrictions and tracking so much can lead to problems with food obsession/anorexic behaviour. Not saying this is you, just realize it is easy to slip into without realizing it.

Nottoolate - Butternut squash makes my favorite spiralized noodle substitute! Also, way to go on getting through day 10 and thank you for supporting everyone in the thread. You rock!


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« Reply #2107 on: March 22, 2017, 07:26:16 PM »
Bad news guys....back to day 1. Don't worry, I didn't cave to cupcakes or wine but rather unknowingly from my breakfast. I get all of my meat generally from a cute little Italian market. I didn't even think they put ingredients on their butcher shop items and didn't read the label on the pork sausage. Today I was walking by and thought to check it (I felt so weird on Sunday and even yesterday - the only two days that I had the pork sausage - and it didn't make sense that eggs or avocado would make me feel this way). The second to last ingredient is MSG. Obviously, if I had known, I would not have consumed and still be conpliant. I am so upset but want to play by the rules, yet still acknowledge that for 11 days I did make the right choices vs. Going back to my old ways. Going forward, I will now say day 11/1 (or whatever we are on). Deflating but oh well...minor inconvenience.

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« Reply #2108 on: March 22, 2017, 08:45:23 PM »
OK Day 1 is in the books.  I got home last night from my trip so didn't have time to do proper grocery shopping, so had to scrounge a bit to make a compliant breakfast and lunch.  Stocked up on veggies and odds and ends on the way home and had a good dinner.

Felt very full after M1 and M2 so had a smallish M3.  Craved something sweet after dinner so indulged in half a frozen banana.  It'll be hardest to limit my fruit intake for 30 days, because I LOVE all fruits.

So far I'm feeling the Day 1 "what's the big deal?"

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« Reply #2109 on: March 23, 2017, 04:30:52 AM »
Hang in there Nottoolate!  You are very tough.  We are all cheering for you.   Major respect for your strength in wanting to stick to the rules you laid out!

Day 6 in the books here.  I am feeling better than the first three days, but still very low energy.  Can't exercise the way I usually do, so I am just walking.  I am definitely getting enough calories, so I believe this energy slump is caused by the switch to low-carb.  I don't feel like I ate too many carbs before, but wow is this a major change.  On the positive side -- no allergy symptoms right now.   Since that was my whole reason for doing this, it appears that this "cleanse" is working.   Really looking forward to the re-introduction phase to figure out which food(s) it was!


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« Reply #2110 on: March 23, 2017, 07:13:00 AM »
Week three done. Nothing to note.

I was kind of hoping the lack of dairy would help my allergies, but no such luck. Those are probably 100% due to working next to a refinery and a busy port.

I'm going to add eggs a bit sooner than planned, I think.
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« Reply #2111 on: March 23, 2017, 08:41:51 AM »
Okay! Plan is for DH and I to use up our current stock of dairy and then head toward doing our first ever whole 30. For a long time we ate primal, but have loosened up over the past ~ year as we've focused more on saving money and things that work for really awful travel for work schedules. We've done eliminations before through paleo eating, but never the whole-hog w30.

Anyway, a couple question to help with my planning, hoping you guys can help.
1- DH and I are both very active. The way we manage this now is through rice. We get the big bag of jasmine at costco. Other grains seem problematic after elimination in the past (wheat for him, corn for me). Both of us seem fine with rice, but as I've said, we've never done a whole 30 before. I can't eat very many potatoes at one time (this includes sweet potatoes). And due to a metabolic disorder, I'm limited in how much fat I can metabolize at any given time. (For all you medical nerds out there, I'm a partially expressive carrier for Medium Chain Acyl-CoA Dehydrogenase Deficiency). In practical terms, what this means is I need to keep a balance of fats and carbs in my diet, otherwise my blood sugar drops- and when it does, it goes *fast*. Which brings me to the question: what are our options for getting enough carbs to support activity level and in my case BS stability, especially since I can barely eat ~1/4 of a potato at a time before finding them revolting? Can we just keep doing rice and do a crappy version of w30, or does that totally defeat the purpose?
(Although it just occured to me I can do more potato/sweet potato if I fry them up. But that seems a- like a lot of work and b- maybe not super healthy all the time? Haha)
2- I got through #1 and forgot my second question! So uh... I'll come back to this I guess.
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« Reply #2112 on: March 23, 2017, 08:59:37 AM »
BJ. I've had good luck with shredding miscellaneous squash as a base for curries and the like. They are a compliant way to add additional calories/fillers/flavor vehicles.
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« Reply #2113 on: March 23, 2017, 09:02:01 AM »
...And due to a metabolic disorder, I'm limited in how much fat I can metabolize at any given time. (For all you medical nerds out there, I'm a partially expressive carrier for Medium Chain Acyl-CoA Dehydrogenase Deficiency). In practical terms, what this means is I need to keep a balance of fats and carbs in my diet, otherwise my blood sugar drops- and when it does, it goes *fast*....

How does this compare to functional/reactive hypoglycemia. I assume it's very different... ? Or maybe very much alike. Either way, I'm just happy to report that my experience on Whole30 is/was (slowly reintroducing things now) that my blood sugar has been pretty good (stable) throughout. I think that's probably mostly because of the lack of alcohol and added sugar, though, which I think would be different from your need for fats/carbs. I do eat a lot of fruit, so it's not like sugar isn't a part of my life, but most fruits have fiber that go along with the sugar, and that seems to make a difference.

As it is now, we don't eat any added sugars. And the past 7 months, we've been doing 2 weeks with alcohol, 2 weeks off, because we've been trying to conceive. (Which is why we want to do whole 30, since we've had no luck so far). Alcohol does make my blood sugar less stable the next day, though. But not in a huge way- it seems like as long as I get breakfast with enough protein and fat in close to waking up, and avoid major stress, my BS is pretty stable nowadays.

My biggest concern is just getting enough carbs to support activity levels. With enough of a transition period, DH does fine on a lower carb/keto approach, but it takes him a couple weeks to make the switch. I, on the other hand, am limited in how low I can go because of the metabolic issue. It's not a blood sugar question (since that's secondary) so much as a "I have a very low supply of the cellular machinery that breaks down fats" so I will never be able to go really low carb. From past experimenting, it seems 50g carbs when I'm less active, 75g carbs when I'm active, seems to be my lower limit. So how do I achieve this with potatoes, or do I add some rice and call it a medical compromise?

BJ. I've had good luck with shredding miscellaneous squash as a base for curries and the like. They are a compliant way to add additional calories/fillers/flavor vehicles.

Oh interesting. How do you shred them? And I'm assuming you cook them somehow before adding things on top- boil them? Fry them? Thanks!
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« Reply #2114 on: March 23, 2017, 10:31:17 AM »
BJ. I've had good luck with shredding miscellaneous squash as a base for curries and the like. They are a compliant way to add additional calories/fillers/flavor vehicles.

Oh interesting. How do you shred them? And I'm assuming you cook them somehow before adding things on top- boil them? Fry them? Thanks!

Actually, I usually use a grater (or the grater attachment on the food processor when I'm cooking in bulk/feeling lazy). Usually, with my squash, I either bake them whole, or grill them cut lengthwise (brushed with avocado oil and pepper). However, the way I've been doing mixes lately involves pre-cooking chicken, add broth, adding in curry spices/mixes (I know a good majority of the mixes contain extra sugar, though), and shredding the veggies (poblanos, Chinese eggplant, jalapenos, onions, serranos, bell peppers*, etc) raw, and just letting it warm through. It's not very labor intensive, holds well for lunches throughout the week, and is delicious.

So I suppose that was a long winded way of saying that cooked or raw, it works well, and I use a cheese grater/food processor.

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« Reply #2115 on: March 23, 2017, 10:43:42 AM »
BJ. I've had good luck with shredding miscellaneous squash as a base for curries and the like. They are a compliant way to add additional calories/fillers/flavor vehicles.

Oh interesting. How do you shred them? And I'm assuming you cook them somehow before adding things on top- boil them? Fry them? Thanks!

Actually, I usually use a grater (or the grater attachment on the food processor when I'm cooking in bulk/feeling lazy). Usually, with my squash, I either bake them whole, or grill them cut lengthwise (brushed with avocado oil and pepper). However, the way I've been doing mixes lately involves pre-cooking chicken, add broth, adding in curry spices/mixes (I know a good majority of the mixes contain extra sugar, though), and shredding the veggies (poblanos, Chinese eggplant, jalapenos, onions, serranos, bell peppers*, etc) raw, and just letting it warm through. It's not very labor intensive, holds well for lunches throughout the week, and is delicious.

So I suppose that was a long winded way of saying that cooked or raw, it works well, and I use a cheese grater/food processor.

*Don't judge me...they were on sale.

Do you grill them *then* shred them? Or you only shred them if you're going to use it raw? I'm guessing when you reheat your curry with the raw grated veggies, it semi-cooks them to an al dente type texture? Sorry for all the questions, just having a hard time following what you're describing!
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« Reply #2116 on: March 23, 2017, 11:29:44 AM »
[...]just having a hard time following what you're describing!

You and I operate on different wavelengths (unless it comes to dogs). Not a problem in the least.

Do you grill them *then* shred them? Or you only shred them if you're going to use it raw? I'm guessing when you reheat your curry with the raw grated veggies, it semi-cooks them to an al dente type texture? Sorry for all the questions, just having a hard time following what you're describing!

I didn't actually think about this until you mentioned it. When I cook things, I usually don't shred. They are too soft to make it worthwhile. I'll either cut them into big chunks or liquify them, depending on mood. When it's raw, things are a touch more firm, so grating works really well, especially as a rice replacement (BLACK RICE UBER ALLES!). I suppose that breaking it down, a nice flow chart would be useful. Give me a bit, and I'll get something posted. Initial thoughts are that if you use the reheating process to cook things al dente, shredding raw stuff works great. If your only use-case is to provide volume to a dish, pre-cooking and liquefying works. The cheap veggies on their own make a good base, and can stand in for rice or other fillers.

Does that kind of clear things up?

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« Reply #2117 on: March 23, 2017, 12:02:00 PM »
I think so. Thank you!
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« Reply #2118 on: March 23, 2017, 05:35:06 PM »
Bad news guys....back to day 1. Don't worry, I didn't cave to cupcakes or wine but rather unknowingly from my breakfast. I get all of my meat generally from a cute little Italian market. I didn't even think they put ingredients on their butcher shop items and didn't read the label on the pork sausage. Today I was walking by and thought to check it (I felt so weird on Sunday and even yesterday - the only two days that I had the pork sausage - and it didn't make sense that eggs or avocado would make me feel this way). The second to last ingredient is MSG. Obviously, if I had known, I would not have consumed and still be conpliant. I am so upset but want to play by the rules, yet still acknowledge that for 11 days I did make the right choices vs. Going back to my old ways. Going forward, I will now say day 11/1 (or whatever we are on). Deflating but oh well...minor inconvenience.

This is pretty big progress, even if it seems like a temporary setback. You didn't cave you got bit by sausage. This is a life lesson I am learning, and keep failing at. Every time I have been glutened it was due to damn unmarked sausages. Sometimes the hardest part of all this is not a matter of changing yourself, but navigating the world around you That is a huge learning curve in itself. I'm kinda introverted so I use to just take it on faith and gamble rather than ask. After I keep having to suffer the consequences I have gotten much better at being "that" person. Mostly people don't mind if you are nice about it, but it has been a learning curve for sure.

You are doing awesome, nottoolate!

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Bracken_Joy - YAY!!! it is GREAT to see you here! Some thoughts on the rice thing: You know how rice affects you. You know a hell of a lot more about your health challenges and being a nurse, you have the most knowledge. I would say if carbs are something you need, and you know you are okay with rice, keep it. The point of a whole 30 is to see how foods affect you, if you already know, I don't think modifying it is a bad thing.

A couple of other options: Chestnut flour (hella expensive though) or buckwheat. Hubs had a major issue with going too low-carb so once we established he was fine with it after the first Whole 30, it has been in our regular rotation.

Besides starchy veg, fruit can also probably get you to the carb count you need: A quick google search led me to this:
"One apple, banana, orange, peach and pear, one-quarter of a cantaloupe, and 21 sweet cherries provide 12 to 34 grams total carbohydrates. Pears, sweet cherries, bananas and apples have the most carbohydrates. They range from 26 grams in pears and cherries to 34 grams of total carbohydrates in an apple. The other fruits have 12 to 19 grams of total carbohydrates." http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/carbohydrates-grains-6600.html

And this was interesting: http://balancedbites.com/paleo-diet-carbs/

Ultimately, you have to make it work for you, don't want to be stressing yourself out if you are trying to conceive either!

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« Reply #2119 on: March 23, 2017, 05:45:37 PM »
Oh my GOSH, I didn't even think about fruit. *face palm*. We really don't eat much fruit other than things like tomatoes. (Irony: the whole30 could require me doing MORE of my carbs from sugar).

Yeah, the whole30 has seemed like a lot of work, and not *so* far off from what we do that I've wanted to mess with it. But we still haven't gotten pregnant, and two of my close friends were doing w30 when they got pregnant. Anecdata and possibly coincidental timing, but at this point, I'm willing to try anything!

Thank you for the link. I think it'll take some brain power to make a meal plan that ensures enough carbs, but I should be able to do it! Just need to pre-plan enough. If I wait until I realize I'm not getting enough, it can screw me up for days before I get my groove back =\

Coming up on the ideal time of year to do this though, some of my favorite foods are in season!
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« Reply #2120 on: March 23, 2017, 05:55:05 PM »
The Paleo link has a handy PDF, if it takes you a while to get back on track I think it might be an idea to plan your meals around the carby veg and fruit. It might actually be easier because it will be a starting place for meal planning. I've also got a Whole 30 Pinterest I can share with you if you like. And we are here to help you :)

The interesting thing about Anecdata, is pretty much all of this diet and food and how it affects your body is mostly anecdotal at this point as a lot of the research around it is pretty new, but it is worth a shot if it doesn't conflict with what you know medically.

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« Reply #2121 on: March 23, 2017, 07:23:31 PM »
Day 2 is in the books.  I feel the same as yesterday, no hangover, probably because I don't have any high-sugar habits.  I did wake up utterly ravenous this morning (I'm typically always a bit hungry, but this was "food...NOW").  It may have been because I just time shifted 2 hours from my 5 day trip west, as I'm hungrier when I'm sleep deprived.

I had a salad for lunch.  I have a fabulous lip-smacking dressing recipe...that has sugar in it.  I tried substituting orange juice (after experimenting with pineapple and lime) and it was ok.  Does someone have a good compliant recipe that's not savory?

Still want something sweet after each meal.  I've typically satisfied this with fruit, but I gather we're not supposed to do that (sugar dragon thing?).

 I just found out that I've got to make 2 short biz trips during my W30.  Grrrr.  I timed it so I'd be able to home cook everything, and now my plans are foiled.  They're both trips by plane too, so I can't load a cooler in the trunk.  Any suggestions?

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« Reply #2122 on: March 24, 2017, 04:52:23 AM »
Oh my GOSH, I didn't even think about fruit. *face palm*. We really don't eat much fruit other than things like tomatoes. (Irony: the whole30 could require me doing MORE of my carbs from sugar).

Yeah, the whole30 has seemed like a lot of work, and not *so* far off from what we do that I've wanted to mess with it. But we still haven't gotten pregnant, and two of my close friends were doing w30 when they got pregnant. Anecdata and possibly coincidental timing, but at this point, I'm willing to try anything!

Thank you for the link. I think it'll take some brain power to make a meal plan that ensures enough carbs, but I should be able to do it! Just need to pre-plan enough. If I wait until I realize I'm not getting enough, it can screw me up for days before I get my groove back =\

Coming up on the ideal time of year to do this though, some of my favorite foods are in season!

Hey Bracken__Joy -- Welcome to the W30!  I just finished week 1, and as a fellow super-active-person, I wanted to let you know that so far the carbs have been very tricky for me.   My energy in week 1 absolutely bottomed out and I have been struggling to continue exercising.   It seems to be getting slightly better day by day -- but wow.  Huge impact.   

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« Reply #2123 on: March 24, 2017, 09:56:22 AM »
Hi all!   Welcome Bracken Joy and Weedy Acres. 

We have friends coming into town this weekend, so I am slightly nervous about staying on plan, but since I am at home, this should be ok. Will be sad that they are having glass(es) of wine though. 

Had tacos night last night using taco meat recipe from Well Fed Weeknights. Family loved the homemade spice mix. Family ate normal tacos and my meat was on a bed of sauteed cabbage. Delicious! Kind of reminded me of nachos.

Weedy Acres - sorry about upcoming travel. If I had to travel, I would stick to the most whole foods I could find. Hardboiled eggs, salads, fruit, nuts,  plain sweet potato, etc to just "make it through". I would pack fruit, eggs, and nuts for plane.  I think there are Whole 30 approved bars but I haven't had any. Any chance of a grocery store or staying at hotel with little microwave (I am sure you thought of this already)? Good luck
 
Swick - thanks for your support. Yes, it does stink but the better that I feel, the more convinced I feel to incorporate more into my long term eating anyway., so what's a few more days?  I am hoping to be close to tiger blood despite my MSG mishap.

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« Reply #2124 on: March 24, 2017, 11:16:27 AM »
Okay. A week one meal plan (SANS RICE, gasp) is prepped. Start date set for Sunday, April 2nd. Husband is on board.

Happy that some of our past paleo-ness is still paying off- our bacon and a decent number of our condiments are already compliant. OTOH, it was with great sorrow that I realized that our salsa verde has citric acid and will be off the table. I love that stuff. At this point, it could probably be said that my favorite food is salsa verde. I put it on everything. Our red salsa is compliant though, so that's nice. (Maybe I'll be motivated enough to make my own salsa verde... I just hate making it our of season, haha, prefer to buy it. This will teach me to put more up this summer I guess!)

Anyway, this week I work an extra shift and we're working on clearing out the dairy we have, and then it will be "go time".

Foreseeable challenges: Baby shower that is a 5 hour drive away on April 10th. (TEN HOURS in the car, ughhhh. Good thing I love her). Work shifts- I'm a nurse, and I do not get breaks of lunch breaks. Just me and my patient, allll day. In the past, this has been when I judiciously deploy sandwiches (the only time I use bread). But, I'm only working 1-2 days per week right now, so I'll just have to make it work. Egg cups, a la nom nom paleo, are the current plan.

So glad this group is here you guys. It's crazy to me how overwhelming this is, considering I went paleo originally in 2010, and have been on the spectrum of paleo/primal to "clean eating" ever since. I guess I thought it would be easier to plan this out. Hubris, guys. It's a stinky cologne ;)
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« Reply #2125 on: March 24, 2017, 11:23:28 AM »
Okay. A week one meal plan (SANS RICE, gasp) is prepped. Start date set for Sunday, April 2nd. Husband is on board.

Happy that some of our past paleo-ness is still paying off- our bacon and a decent number of our condiments are already compliant. OTOH, it was with great sorrow that I realized that our salsa verde has citric acid and will be off the table.

Any particular reason citric acid is off the table for you? It's allowed on Whole 30 according to their list of additives: http://whole30.com/downloads/additives.pdf

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« Reply #2126 on: March 24, 2017, 12:40:07 PM »
Okay. A week one meal plan (SANS RICE, gasp) is prepped. Start date set for Sunday, April 2nd. Husband is on board.

Happy that some of our past paleo-ness is still paying off- our bacon and a decent number of our condiments are already compliant. OTOH, it was with great sorrow that I realized that our salsa verde has citric acid and will be off the table.

Any particular reason citric acid is off the table for you? It's allowed on Whole 30 according to their list of additives: http://whole30.com/downloads/additives.pdf

Oh! Well color me surprised. I just assumed all additives were off the table I guess. Huh! Well the calcium carbonate and citric acid makes things easier- I was wondering how anyone did ANY canned tomato products without an acid adjuster, haha!

Well okie dokie then. Herdez Salsa Verde, I shall never break up with you my love. I'm sorry I doubted you <3

Thank you for the link! I should probably just buy the book ;) haha. I just looked at the main "program rules" before.
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« Reply #2127 on: March 24, 2017, 08:35:35 PM »
Day 3 is done and I'm still feeling good.  A couple food things: lunch (salad) didn't fill me up for as long as needed.  I need to find a way to add more fat to salads.  More dressing, I guess, but I'm a "go spare on the dressing" kind of gal, so that will take some adjusting.

To make things even more challenging, around 4:15, I realized I needed to stay late to plant 100 trees (long story whose details don't matter), so schlepped around till dark, at around 7:30.  Was absolutely famished, and did have a banana for a snack.  I had nothing else available (free fruit is an employee benefit, so it's always around) and couldn't do a quick run to the nearest fast food joint for something to tide us over.  I stayed strong with willpower and ate once we got home.  My key to a quick go-to meal: frozen hamburger patties and potatoes on hand.  Just need to come up with something for work.

Mr. Weedy, who admits he made (and ate) a batch of snicker doodles when I was gone last weekend, says he's been feeling very tired/low energy.  He has been completely compliant with me so far.  I told him he was ahead of the game, with week 2 symptoms.

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« Reply #2128 on: March 25, 2017, 02:39:59 AM »
My theories as to why I've felt no changes:

1. I have Celiac Disease and have been gluten-free for nearly a decade. Though I do generally eat non-gluten grains, it's in moderation. It's probable, considering the countless improvements in my health since that diagnosis, that my gut is just fine.

2. Though I've about doubled my veggie intake to stay full, I've always eaten a lot of veggies. Most of my desserts through life have been fruit, though there are certainly occasional exceptions. In general, I find most desserts entirely too sweet to enjoy. Most of what I eat is Mediterranean, Thai, or Central American home-cooked traditional staples rather than the SAD. But for little things like no yogurt, no nightshades, and no beans, this really isn't a far cry from how I normally eat.

3. I work next to a refinery, port, freeway, and super-polluting train. If anything is triggering my symptoms, it may simply be the obvious environmental effect of where I work. I am certainly not the only one to have developed health issues while working there (we have, in fact, won lawsuits against the refinery because of these things and are currently in a suit over the trains).

Like I said earlier, I'm really enjoying eating more vegetables because they just taste good. I'm sure they're good for me, too. But I have felt exactly zero of the predicted results of this diet -- no mood swings, no energy fluctuations (good or bad), no relief from pain, no interruption in my regular bouts of fatigue...

Right now at 25 days (28 if you include the three days before my official start date that included homemade broth with pepper in it against the no-nightshade plan), I'm not feeling very motivated to continue strict adherence or bother with reintro at a slow pace.

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« Reply #2129 on: March 25, 2017, 08:12:08 AM »
Gah!  I'm at Day 25 - yay! - and realized at the store last night that some sliced turkey I bought (and already consumed) has added sugar.  Aaaagh.  So disappointed that I didn't look at the label first but it never occurred to me that there would be added sugar in sliced deli meat.  And I was so psyched because it was easy protein at lunch and in the am.  So, back to square one.  I had already decided to do this through Lent.  Now, I'll keep going after Easter.   Note to self: read the freaking label!!!!

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« Reply #2130 on: March 25, 2017, 07:29:39 PM »
Hi Everyone! 
  I want to do the Whole 30!  Where is the group?  Or is this thread the group? 
  I'll plan to start April 8th after I get back from a trip.
  Looking forward to it!

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« Reply #2131 on: March 25, 2017, 08:03:05 PM »
Welcome, Mango.  Yes this thread is the group.  So feel free to post your questions or your preparations and we'll help and support you.

Bergal: the W30 mods do say it's your choice whether to restart after an accidental ingesting of a non-compliant item.  They say if you're really trying to pinpoint food sensitivities you really need the whole 30 days to get clean.

My day 4 is done, and it felt much like the first three.  Since it's the weekend, I spent some time tracking down a few recipes for next week, doing some grocery shopping, and grilling a boatload of chicken breasts to take some of the prep out of next week. 

Even though pre-W30 I cooked a lot of healthy food from scratch, this is taking more effort.  Because everything is from scratch, even stuff like salad dressing and spaghetti sauce, which I've bought in jars.  So I've got to find recipes and make sure I've got the ingredients on hand.  And we're eating probably double the veggies we were before.

Wondering when the "something different" is going to kick in...will I still want to nap all next week?  Haven't yet felt the urge to Kill All The Things.
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« Reply #2132 on: March 26, 2017, 03:16:26 AM »
Gah!  I'm at Day 25 - yay! - and realized at the store last night that some sliced turkey I bought (and already consumed) has added sugar.  Aaaagh.  So disappointed that I didn't look at the label first but it never occurred to me that there would be added sugar in sliced deli meat.  And I was so psyched because it was easy protein at lunch and in the am.  So, back to square one.  I had already decided to do this through Lent.  Now, I'll keep going after Easter.   Note to self: read the freaking label!!!!

Sorry to hear this. This happened to me with some pork earlier this week. I was not as far as you but opted to do a side by side count to track my progress both ways...day 15/5, for example.

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« Reply #2133 on: March 26, 2017, 09:03:24 AM »
Joining today. Thank you, swick, so much for this thread! Congratulations to everyone who has found healing from Whole30!

My doctors currently have me on three permanent diets simultaneously: gluten free, low FODMAP, and ph balanced. The W30 diet will cover most of that, although I will still need to take care about low FODMAP.

I am also recovering from an accident, 10/30/16: 8 broken bones, collapsed lungs, followed by pneumonia, PTSD, and also pulled tendons from trying too hard too soon when exercising.

I tried W30 with a few cheats for 5 days. The results are already AMAZING. The inflamed tendons pain had been so bad, I had to sleep in a recliner for weeks. Last night I slept soundly in bed and awoke with no pain! There are tears in my eyes just thinking about it.

A lingering issue since the accident has been fatigue. It looks like W30 may help this, too.

Today is day 1.

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« Reply #2134 on: March 26, 2017, 08:58:54 PM »
Thanks Weedy Acres and Nottoolatetostart!  Weedy Acres, I know what you mean about this taking a lot more efforts with meal planning.  I cook from scratch most of the time but the W30 is challenging my cooking repetoire.  I also did some shopping today and trolling the internet for new recipes.  Since I have tomorrow off, I'll spend the day cooking for the next week or so.

NTLTS - your story of the pork is what inspired me to read the label on the deli meat.  So sneaky!!  Fortunately, sugar is not a trigger for me but it is really amazing some of the foods that have added sugar, isn't it? 

Mara, welcome!  So sorry to hear about your accident but very happy that you're having some pain relief from the W30. Good luck with day 2.

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« Reply #2135 on: March 27, 2017, 07:50:30 PM »
Days 5 and 6 have continued without incident.  No hangovers but no tiger blood.  Has anyone else had similar lack of noticeable changes the first week?

I've got to find a decent salad dressing.  I've tried a couple vinegrettes and find I that vinegar without sugar to mellow it is too strong tasting for me.  Any ideas?  I've tried one with red wine and one with apple cider vinegars.  Perhaps I need to go with a creamy mayo-based one.  Otherwise I can give up on salads and just go with leftovers For lunch I suppose. 

Tomorrow starts a quick 2-day trip by plane.  I'm a bit trepidatious, but I just have one 3-hour meeting, with no shared/public meals (cocktails, but I can easily just drink water).  And I booked a hotel with kitchenette, so should be able to cook something compliant.  Crossing fingers that it won't be too tough.

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« Reply #2136 on: March 27, 2017, 07:56:46 PM »

Mara, welcome!  So sorry to hear about your accident but very happy that you're having some pain relief from the W30. Good luck with day 2.

Thanks, Bergal! I may need to restart... found there is sugar in my bacon and other hidden no-no's. Sigh.

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« Reply #2137 on: March 29, 2017, 04:10:14 AM »
Checking in.  Day 12 is in the books.  I feel better than at first -- able to do normal daily activities and go to work-- but nowhere near as good yet as I usually feel.  The sudden switch to low-carb has wiped me out.  Exercise is still off the menu because I have no energy.  So my strength training and running are taking a huge hit this month.  I keep telling myself this is temporary and worth it, because I will figure out some things.   And on the positive side, no allergy symptoms right now!  Aaahhhh.   Looking forward to figuring out what the heck was causing the problems. 
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« Reply #2138 on: March 29, 2017, 04:57:38 AM »
Weedy Acres - good luck with the trip.

Trifele - hopefully you will turn corner soon. You are almost half done!

Mara - what did you decide?

Update : today is day 18 / 8. Time is flying by. I don't know if I have more energy but I can tell you that I feel more patient and more positive. I feel less overwhelmed. I feel like I am better wife and mom.

Yesterday after I dropped my daughter off at school (walked there), I had a moment when walking back of "I feel really f**king great". All is right with the world. Still no sign of Tiger Blood, yet I feel like my energy is generally more consistent. My blood test is in about 2 more weeks and then dr appointment in 3 weeks to get results to see if this made a difference. My sleep is 100% back to normal and I don't nap as often. I think I have issue with almond milk or almond butter. My skin may actually be clearing up. It is soft, slightly oily/hydrated (but in a dewy kind of way, the good way). I think I look younger. I have done no exercising other than walking outside and I think have totally lost weight (I have had on my to-do list forever to lose about 10 pounds total  ...I estimate I have lost maybe 5 so far).

Have a great day everyone!

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« Reply #2139 on: March 29, 2017, 07:42:23 AM »
Weedy Acres - good luck with the trip.

Trifele - hopefully you will turn corner soon. You are almost half done!

Mara - what did you decide?

Update : today is day 18 / 8. Time is flying by. I don't know if I have more energy but I can tell you that I feel more patient and more positive. I feel less overwhelmed. I feel like I am better wife and mom.

Yesterday after I dropped my daughter off at school (walked there), I had a moment when walking back of "I feel really f**king great". All is right with the world. Still no sign of Tiger Blood, yet I feel like my energy is generally more consistent. My blood test is in about 2 more weeks and then dr appointment in 3 weeks to get results to see if this made a difference. My sleep is 100% back to normal and I don't nap as often. I think I have issue with almond milk or almond butter. My skin may actually be clearing up. It is soft, slightly oily/hydrated (but in a dewy kind of way, the good way). I think I look younger. I have done no exercising other than walking outside and I think have totally lost weight (I have had on my to-do list forever to lose about 10 pounds total  ...I estimate I have lost maybe 5 so far).

Have a great day everyone!

I am still considering. I was already on a very strict diet (GF, low FODMAP, balanced PH) for years when I found W30, always on the lookout for more ways to clean up the diet. After one week of almost completely removing grains, dairy, and added sugar, the improvements are amazing: pain from two inflamed tendons and one knee gone, sleeping all night (hadn't done that in years), weight gained after the accident gone, increased energy, and acne reduced.

Bad things: hot flashes greatly increased, more bloating pain and runs

Most important to me now is debugging the bad things, as both can be dreadful. I would greatly appreciate any advice on those.

NTLTS, congrats on the terrific improvements!

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« Reply #2140 on: March 29, 2017, 07:26:01 PM »
I made it through the travel!!

I arrived mid morning, had Chipotle carnitas salad for lunch, then went to the grocery store.  Spent $22 for this:


Which got me dinner:


Breakfast:


Lunch was tricker.  I had to return my rental car by 9, but my flight didn't leave until noon, so I had to make a portable picnic, packed in ice.  Here's what I ended up with (no I didn't eat it all):


I basically had guacamole on boiled eggs and veggies.  It wasn't my favorite meal ever, but it fit the template and lasted until I got home.  Unfortunately the TSA took away my coconut oil (fits in the "liquids" category).

Next week I've got another trip with 2 overnight stays, so I'm a little more trepidatious.  Don't know that I can find a hotel with kitchenette.  And I'll be with people at lunch.  And it looks like I may have another trip tossed into the mix in mid-April.  Dang, I tried so hard to schedule this around my travel.  Grrr.

So days 7 and 8 are done.  Still nothing notable in how I feel.  Still have mild hot flashes and don't sleep through the night (those are connected).  I did start coming down with a sore throat on my trip, so I'm adding back a bit of fruit.  I typically eat a lot, and have been cutting back, but my body was wanting vitamin C. 

In other news, Mr. Weedy drove to the east coast for work and among other things has eaten donuts and an ice cream sandwich.  He never promised to eat compliant, he just eats everything I put in front of him when home and cleans up all the dishes after me.  :-)
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« Reply #2141 on: March 30, 2017, 05:59:35 AM »

Mara - what did you decide?

I am still considering. I was already on a very strict diet (GF, low FODMAP, balanced PH) for years when I found W30, always on the lookout for more ways to clean up the diet. After one week of almost completely removing grains, dairy, and added sugar, the improvements are amazing: pain from two inflamed tendons and one knee gone, sleeping all night (hadn't done that in years), weight gained after the accident gone, increased energy, and acne reduced.

Bad things: hot flashes greatly increased, more bloating pain and runs

Most important to me now is debugging the bad things, as both can be dreadful. I would greatly appreciate any advice on those.

NTLTS, congrats on the terrific improvements!

Update: I figured out the "bad things" were due to not realizing bok choy is cabbage, duh. Useless suffering.

There are two key takeaways for me from the W30 after just one week: grains and sugar cause me grief, while the lack of them improves my health and well-being. This is huge! Thank you so much for making the improvements possible.

I am withdrawing from the challenge. My family will continue to enjoy the great W30 resources, especially the incredible recipes. Best wishes for success to everyone!

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« Reply #2142 on: March 30, 2017, 06:18:45 AM »
A little parting thank you gift: a recipe for breakfast or as a snack. I am having this with a sliced orange for breakfast today.

Slice a plantain. Fry in clarified butter. Salt to taste.

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« Reply #2143 on: March 30, 2017, 07:53:02 AM »
Thanks, Mara!  That sounds tasty.  Best wishes to you and your family!

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« Reply #2144 on: March 30, 2017, 10:40:32 AM »
Grocery shopping has happened! And now I have some prep prior to our official w30 start on Sunday. I need to make ghee and chimichurri sauce.

The really weird thing is, by avoiding dairy, I'm going to end up consuming stabilizers I don't normally eat. Minimal quantities, since it's just for my coffee, but still, it feels a little odd haha. The dairy is definitely the Primary Experiment for me. I've never successfully, fully given up dairy for a long enough period of time to tell if I have Issues with it. (I know I have issues with soy, I know I have no obvious issues with wheat, I know I have intermittent issues with corn- I've successfully eliminated those in the past). Given a family history of Issues With Dairy and my personal IBS issues, I'm giving it a "likely" that dairy will end up being a no-no for me. This thought gives me great sorrow. I am going to have a really hard time keeping my calories up without dairy- it's one of the few things I can eat even when I'm not "feeling" hungry, but I know I need more fuel.

Anyway, closing in on the beginning! Much to my great sorrow, I just this week discovered how awesome greek salad is. I hope it's just as good without the feta! =o Anyone have suggestions for a replacement? (I roughly follow the Pioneer Woman recipe).
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« Reply #2145 on: March 30, 2017, 07:46:56 PM »
Mara: sorry to see you go.  Good luck!

Bracken: I love clarified butter and take great joy in slathering it liberally on baked potatoes and spaghetti squash.

My day 9 was more of the same.  Still fighting off the cold, so low energy, but still went to the gym and ate all 3 meals, having fruit with each. 

I've given up for now on the salads for lunch, until I can find a dressing I like.  Will likely experiment a bit with mayo this weekend.  I've never been a mayo lover, so we'll see.

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« Reply #2146 on: March 30, 2017, 08:04:43 PM »
Update. Almond milk is not good in coffee. Nope, nope, nope. (Anyone want a mainly full carton of plain almond milk!?) Picked up some other coconut milks to try in my coffee. Black coffee is a bit too hard on my stomach, I don't mind the flavor =\
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Re: Whole-30 info thread and awesome group. Want to join us?
« Reply #2147 on: March 30, 2017, 08:38:04 PM »
Hey Bracken_Joy, I totally agree with you on Almond milk in coffee.  I've had great luck with unsweetened Califia Better Half (Coconut cream and almond milk).  It's W30 approved - no sweeteners and no carrageenan.  Maybe it'll work for you.

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Re: Whole-30 info thread and awesome group. Want to join us?
« Reply #2148 on: March 30, 2017, 08:44:44 PM »
Update. Almond milk is not good in coffee. Nope, nope, nope. (Anyone want a mainly full carton of plain almond milk!?) Picked up some other coconut milks to try in my coffee. Black coffee is a bit too hard on my stomach, I don't mind the flavor =\

First, Almond milk is not my fave, but in a pinch it'll work. Order is important, you have to add a bit off coffee to the almond milk first and temper it and then add coffee to the almond milk. if you do it the other way around it may curdle and is otherwise unpleasant.

Do you happen to have a good blender? If so, I have a bunch of alternative suggestions. If you have a way to strain it, it is dead simple to make our own coconut milk (throw in a date if you want it sweeter) out of dried coconut. Just make sure it isn't the sweetened stuff you American's seem to favour.

Otherwise nut butter milk! No straining, dead easy! http://www.thepretendbaker.com/easiest-cashew-milk-ever/

Also, sorry I've been MIA glad to see everyone has been active and supporting each other, I couldn't ask for more :)

Also, also way to ROCK your business travel, Weedy Acres! I am truly impressed :D


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Re: Whole-30 info thread and awesome group. Want to join us?
« Reply #2149 on: March 30, 2017, 08:45:41 PM »
Hey Bracken_Joy, I totally agree with you on Almond milk in coffee.  I've had great luck with unsweetened Califia Better Half (Coconut cream and almond milk).  It's W30 approved - no sweeteners and no carrageenan.  Maybe it'll work for you.

+1 it is pretty much the only commercial nut milk I can stand. Great brand!