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« Reply #1300 on: March 24, 2016, 08:53:51 AM »
I don't know if it's 100% the food itself, but the act of prepping and planning to eat a certain way - I'm thinking it has some powerful psychological benefits.  Like if you have all your stuff nicely portioned and stacked in the fridge on Sunday night, it's a great feeling of control and deliberateness that kind of bleeds over into non-food decisions (and takes away so many little energy-sapping micro decisions throughout the week)

This is very insightful and something I have noticed but not really spent much time thinking about. The prep is really key the difference in how you feel, how easy things are, how many micro-decisions you have to make  is HUGE! It does tend to spill over into other areas and make other decisions easier as well. Maybe because it creates more time for other things, maybe you have more mental energy to devote to other things so you don't have to think about it.  Still though, I tend to resist doing it, but I'm working on it :)

I hear ya on having to adjust to cooking and losing some of those "simple, no thought requited" meals, Simplefunlife! We use to rely on Panini's once or twice a week when life got hectic.

Lately, I have been setting aside and freezing a couple portions of Kalua pork. I always have cabbage in the fridge to a quick Sauteed cabbage stirfry with some crisped pork is almost as easy.

I also always make a bigger batch of stew/soup/tajine when I make it and freeze a couple of portions in the taller yogurt containers. These are for hubby's lunches on days I make something for dinner that doesn't provide enough leftovers, or is enough for both of us to split for a dinner with some sort of side veg to stretch it out.

@Rawr237: The wings aren't shatteringly crisp, but they are on the crispy side. What I tend to do is bake them and then add them to the pan of sesame oil/garlic and jalapenos and give them another quick fry (instead of tossing separately in a bowl) that helps them stay a bit more crispy.

@Orvell: How is the head doing? It is great that your parents are doing a round with you :) My mom and aunt are going to be starting a round shortly, it will be my mom's second and my aunt's first. hmm should send them an email to confirm their start date. I think it is so awesome that so many of us have either had supportive SO's and family  or SO's and family  that have come around after seeing the results!

@mom22boys: Thanks for the recipes, going to check some of them out!  I keep meaning to make the pumpkin custard, but canned pumpkin is freaking expensive here! I wonder if this would be good with Sweet Potato? Hubs and I went for a walk last night and I noticed a great deal advertised in the window of our local grocer for sweet potatoes on for .49 a lb (ususally 1.29, which I know is still expensive) so  he waited outside with the dog and I got a basketful...he carried home 26.4 (yes he insisted on weighing them) lbs of sweet poatoes...with only a little bit og good-natured grumbling :)

So...Easter is upon us...Anyone trying out any special recipes? Anyone navigating tricky family dinners? We volunteered to bring the sweet potatoes...hmmm maybe that custard would be good? to the in-laws. We aren't too worried about it as we have had to navigate quite a few family dinners since we started eating healthy. It definitely took laying down some ground rules, but they are starting to get the idea that this is a life style thing and not just a diet or whim we can be talked out of.

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« Reply #1301 on: March 24, 2016, 09:12:32 AM »
***For those trying to eat more Veggies***

I just came across this super neat "Veggie Calculator" http://whfoods.org/vga.php

Not only does it give you an idea of how much you are getting across all the different colors, it gives you suggestions on which nutrients you may be lacking and makes suggestions for which veggies that can provide them. Really neat.

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« Reply #1302 on: March 24, 2016, 09:26:46 AM »
Day 3!
No seriously I'm going to Costco this weekend and I'm going to buy some chicken wings. You guys are a terrible/wonderful influence. XD I will report back how it goes! I think the salt and pepper ones are good (and sound wonderfully simple) since I'm still a n00b at cooking meat.

Another thing I need to pick up from Costco is better Tupperware/freezing solutions. I have... a collection of random things, mostly from take out containers. I need to up my game, as I've found it holding me back a few times. (For example, I'd have a hard time doing a big 'ol Kalua pork.)

Last night (and today for lunch) was oven roasted salmon with sautéed onions, asparagus and brussle sprouts. I actually cooked it all over at a friend's house while they ate take-out. I'm lucky to have friends who understand. :) Even if they think it's a bit silly, they keep it to themselves and are sweethearts who don't offer me their deserts.

Re: Food Prep (and mental clarity)
YES.
I think it's, for me at least, the act of taking control of ones life and actively managing the future. Sure, it's the future of tomorrow's lunch, but it's still an actionable choice with follow through and rewards.
It makes me an automatic winner, to have thought of a food plan, made it, and then eaten it. I like winning! And it makes winning seem like something I can do. Which makes me want to do other things. :)

Re: Families and Friends and SOs
I think this would  be so much harder if I were surrounded by people who weren't (at the very least) cool with me doing my own thang. I live alone, so I don't have to worry about meals involving other people more than once or so a week, which is both a help (no extra opinions! I can eat all the smelly fish I want!) and a hindrance (especially when I'm not on-plan. There's no one to see me binge eat that entire box of Girl Scout cookies, and no one for me to moderate my behavior for.)
To everyone doing this with only moderate buy-in from their SO, my hat goes off. That is a hella harder challenge than I'm undertaking.


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« Reply #1303 on: March 24, 2016, 09:32:53 AM »
***For those trying to eat more Veggies***

I just came across this super neat "Veggie Calculator" http://whfoods.org/vga.php

Not only does it give you an idea of how much you are getting across all the different colors, it gives you suggestions on which nutrients you may be lacking and makes suggestions for which veggies that can provide them. Really neat.
Oooh! That's really cool! Thanks, Swick! 8D
I'm not doing as well as I thought I was. Good to know!
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« Reply #1304 on: March 24, 2016, 07:08:14 PM »
@GoldenGrove: have you frozen the korma and had it keep well? I love lamb but the bf has issues with both lamb and curry...so I'd have to eat it all myself. Looks yum tho.

rawr237, sorry, just saw your question. I haven't tried freezing the lamb korma, so I don't know. It does keep well for multiple days in the fridge, though- I usually eat a batch by myself over the course of ~5 days (single lady here). Of course, I obviously don't mind eating the same thing every single day, so YMMV :).

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« Reply #1305 on: March 24, 2016, 09:55:14 PM »
Made this tonight (2nd time): http://www.ancestral-nutrition.com/shrimp-veggie-kelp-noodle-stir-fry/ (warning: site is eye-bleeding without AdBlock/equivalent)

Good stuff.  Used W30-compliant homemade sriracha from NomNomPaleo and it was fantastic.

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« Reply #1306 on: March 26, 2016, 09:49:33 AM »
Day 5!
Chicken wings acquired. Tonight (or maybe tomorrow if tonight gets busy) will be the great cooking experiment. ;)
Went to Costco and loaded up on alllll sorts of goodies, including bulk nuts, meats, and veg.

My upstairs neighbor and friend and I are going on a nice long walk/hike today and I volunteered to pack us lunches. These salads and nuts plus a hard boiled egg. I wish my avocados were ripe, but sadly, they are not.


Om nom nom!

In Whole30-and-me news, I spent a lot of yesterday grumpy. Turns out that "kill everything" stage doesn't end with your first Whole30. OH WELL. :) Today the weather is not-bad and a hike will happen, and I did my taxes. I will be just fine.

Hope you guys are having a fantastic weekend!
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« Reply #1307 on: March 27, 2016, 01:59:40 PM »
I'm still trying to get enough funds to loosen up the grocery budget so we can take the plunge. Anyone doing this with kids without a horrendous grocery budget? Lunches for kids are my particular problem. We eat pretty whole30 for dinner. Breakfast is easy. For lunches we have to go without refrigeration (ice packs are ok but don't last until lunch since they keep the school at approximately 10,000 degrees). The kids love fruits and vegetables but they aren't kept full for long with those. And meat is so expensive (plus the no refrigeration thing).

I would love to hear frugal, whole30 school lunch ideas, please?

Orvell, your meals always look scrumptious!

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« Reply #1308 on: March 28, 2016, 07:23:54 AM »
That is a tough one, Mongoose.  I know you've posted your grocery budget before, and it is tight.  What about using the W30 vegetarian shopping list to supplement and keep the cost down for now?  Kids could take things like lentil salads for lunch?  Do I remember something about an egg allergy?  Because that's probably one of the lower-cost things you could send them with.  Tuna salad would be another, but then you don't want to overdo that because of mercury.

FWIW, I frequently don't bother putting my lunch in the fridge, and it's fine, so I would think with ice packs, they would be OK if everything isn't still ice cold by lunch time.  Potato based meals might work to make something more filling, with just a little bit of meat for flavoring.  You could swap out sweet potatoes for variety as well.  Hang in there; hope your grocery budget gets a little more flush soon!

In the "why didn't someone tell me this years ago?!" department, I steamed eggs in my Instant Pot last night.  They practically peeled themselves, and these were good-quality, fresh eggs.  12 minutes steaming for hard boiled, then into cold water.  Will try them with my even fresher homegrown eggs soon.

Far as W30 goes, I can't seem to summon the determination to do it just now.  Eating well, but just not quite in the right mindset.  Also blew this month's grocery budget, so haven't been wanting to redline that budget item in Mint any worse than it is.  So hats off to everyone who is sticking with their 1st, 2nd or 5th W30; I'll be cheering you on and probably half-assing it over here...

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« Reply #1309 on: March 28, 2016, 08:05:04 AM »
*nods to the above*
I was flippant about grocery prices before I started, and even during the first week or two (what do they say about assumptions? Oh, right there it is. My ass. Found it), but it absolutely is more expensive, and your budget is tight, Mongoose. You have my respect. Horsepoor's advice seems solid. :) Do what you can with what you have. And don't feel awful about feeding your family good food, which is what you're already doing. :) ~Somewhat~ Whole30 is already miles ahead of the shit fobbed onto us as 'food.'
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« Reply #1310 on: March 28, 2016, 08:13:40 AM »
Today is my Day 7.
It definitely is going faster this time around. I'm also feeling the blues, though. Not sure why. But so far I've held fast and not done what I *usually* do when feeling sad (BYE BYE COOKIES). That said, I feel I ought to confess some food decisions that were on-plan but not... for the right reasons.
I had a banana with coconut milk for dinner last night, and the night before I ate too many chicken wings because I was mad at my oven.
Now I will say my hail Mary's and do better next time.

Today I had two eggs for breakfast (on spinach) in the hopes to not be hungry before lunch (wish me luck!) and lunch itself will be a nice salad with tuna and tomatoes with a hard boiled egg. Dinner is an unknown. I failed to cook for the week over the weekend (thanks, blues, so helpful) so whatever I make it'll have be a big-batch item. :) I'm thinking soup?? We'll see!
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« Reply #1311 on: March 29, 2016, 08:39:18 AM »
Hey guys! Day 16...over halfway done! Energy is great, skin is clearer...not sleeping too great, but that's probably thanks to my late-night screen-watching habit.

Orvell: Did that breakfast work out for you? If you're still getting hungry, you could try upping the oil. Some days I find the hunger is an insatiable beast, and eat accordingly...with no ill effects. Second time around I'm happy to eat when I'm hungry, and worry less about the meal template.

Mongoose: (Disclaimer - I do not have kids or any nutritional background) You could try a more fat/carb/veg centric lunch and make up the protein at other meals. Maybe veg roasted with tons of olive oil...salmon salad is an alternative to tuna salad if the mercury is a factor. Hard boiled eggs...nut butter with apples or celery...if you have thermoses then bone broth/soup, or nut based porridge? Sorry if that's not helpful at all :P

Over Easter weekend I took communion twice, so technically I 'cheated' by eating those two wafers ('wine' was really grape juice anyhow). Some things are more important than a perfect Whole 30.

I did twice-cooked pork belly based on this recipe: http://norecipes.com/recipe/twice-cooked-pork-recipe, came out flavorful but a little tough. I've roasted belly before with good results, but Whole Foods doesn't sell it with skin on so it doesn't crisp up quite right.
Also made the Smitten Kitchen sausage cabbage casserole, and it's yummy! Only downside is I ate some an hour or two before yesterday's run, and halfway through got a bit nauseated/burpy. Lesson learned...not so many veggies so close to working out.

You guys are so right about the power of planning...nothing better than a fridge full of tupperware! (Though my Snaplock lids are starting to break, boooooo) Right now I have leftover sausage/cabbage, spaghetti squash with creamy sauce (basically this: http://www.planksloveandguacamole.com/2014/04/spaghetti-squash-with-roasted-garlic.html), pumpkin soup (http://fedandfit.com/2013/10/18/creamy-paleo-bacon-pumpkin-soup/), mayo, dairy-free pesto, homemade coconut milk, leftover wings (made 4lb the other day because of this thread)...

Last night I hadn't properly planned out dinner, so I threw together a frittata with bulk sausage, bacon, spinach, a few leftover bits of sweet potato, and cheese (left a small wedge cheese-less for me). Leftovers will feed bf for breakfast for days. Nom.

Reassuring that other people see it affecting their spending too, because my grocery spending has sorta exploded. I'm okay with it because I wouldn't normally splurge on so much sugar-free bacon, plus trying to keep alternatives in the house for me vs bf adds up. The meat is of course the big ticket item, humanely raised / grass fed / pastured is pricier, and having two meat devourers in the house...yeah. In my last shared house I was a bit envious of my housemate/coworker who would only buy chicken at <$2/lb ...but at the same time couldn't quite bring myself to purchase meat that may have been fed its own species, and so on. All the other categories in my spending have dropped drastically since moving back to the Midwest, so I'm not as motivated to cut back on food spending. Main focus is minimizing waste.

Went to Aladdin's last Friday and it was sooooo good! Wonderful to eat a compliant meal without having to make it or clean up myself! I had a beef shawarma salad (hold the cheese) with dabs of baba ganoush and their house dressing, absolutely delicious. Called ahead to confirm they do ALL their cooking with olive oil (except for frying with peanut oil, which I think only applies to the falafel), and their seasonings are all super simple herb type mixtures, no sugar. It's one of my local favorites, and I hadn't been since moving back...a solid meal. Maybe I'll go back to celebrate the end of the W30.

A little sad because a friend invited me to a city event that involves lots of food and drinks, and I would normally be so on that...but paying $50/ticket when I probably won't be able to partake of anything is just dumb.

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« Reply #1312 on: March 29, 2016, 08:45:16 AM »
I made this (http://grokgrub.com/2013/06/10/recipe-sweet-potato-quiche/) last night at a friend's house. (It was beautiful outside --upper 50s with fresh tasting air--, and I biked, and I am so pleased about having done that. There's something very powerful about biking to a buddy's house with a dozen eggs in your backpack to go make quiche 'cause she had a rough week. It was a good feeling.)
Verdict: Yummy (and on the Whole30 plan!), but not really worth the effort. The nutmeg in the eggs was fabulous, but frankly, the whole thing was a lot more work than it needed to be. If I make it again I'm going to replace some of the sweet potatoes with spinach and other goodies to make it a little less one-note.
The avocado with lime and salt we snacked on while it baked was almost just as delicious and about 95% less effort. :P
That quiche-thing DOES make a great re-heated breakfast though. So it gets a point or two for that. :)

It's my Day 8!
Things feel so much less eventful on my second Whole30. :) I'm shocked by how much easier it all is. I have not defeated my sugar dragon (by any stretch of the means) but it seems to understand that "not now" is an actual answer for why we're not eating all the cookies known to mankind.
*shrugs*
I'll not complain.
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« Reply #1313 on: March 29, 2016, 10:44:32 AM »

You guys are so right about the power of planning...nothing better than a fridge full of tupperware! (Though my Snaplock lids are starting to break, boooooo) \

So it appears that Glasslock will replace lids for just the cost of shipping!  http://glasslockusa.com/product-category/replacement-parts/

This is awesome; none of mine have broken, but I can tell they're getting a little brittle, and my dogs chewed up one of them.  The glass part seems like it will last forever, so I'm going to take advantage of this!

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« Reply #1314 on: March 30, 2016, 07:29:11 AM »
horsepoor: Eeeek! Thanks for the link, I really hope they have lids that fit my tupperware! Going to check as soon as I get home. The failure point is the joint...maybe my own fault because I tend to microwave the plastic top along with the glass bottom (loose, just to prevent splatter).

Orvell: Glad round 2 is going well for you, that frittata looks amazing. To spread out the effort, you could eat roasted sweet potatoes one day and throw leftovers in the frittata the next.

Day 17. With the copious amounts of cooking and dishwashing (I could make bigger batches of food, but prefer variety), I find my appreciation for not having to do it greatly increased. When bf cooks or washes dishes, I am SO happy and thankful. And this Saturday I got invited to a charity cocktail party, which I reeeeally didn't want to agree to (but felt sort of obligated to spend time with friends despite suckiness of not being able to drink/eat anything served)...but then I made plans to do another Aladdin's dinner on the way! Already daydreaming about chicken salad with baba ganoush.

The restriction is also giving me a greater appreciation of being able to be less strict most of the time...compared to people with severe allergies or my cousin who has intense limitations due to illness. After 30 days I'll be able to go back to eating these things (after reintroduction, in moderate amounts) but some people actually live with these challenges all the time. It's humbling when I remember how much I've whined and how depressed I've felt about not being able to go out without lots of debate and planning. I have the resources to spend as much as I like on delicious, healthy, ethically sourced groceries. I have the love of cooking and excitement about trying new foods and recipes. I have a well-appointed kitchen to craft dishes in, with a soon-to-be-complete tupperware collection. (Plus I've lost ~5lb in the first two weeks of the W30.) Life is pretty darn good.

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« Reply #1315 on: March 30, 2016, 10:20:12 AM »
@rawr237:
That's a really good idea about the prep split! I might have to try that this weekend. Despite my poo-pooing it, I've actually really enjoyed having it as leftovers for breakfast. I think with some process and content tweaking it might be a good staple!  :) Thanks for the idea!

Day 9
I FEEL A TASTE OF TIGER BLOOD, KIDS. AND IT'S GR8.
I've been more motivated at work, and I actually set up an Etsy store last night for the side hustle/passion and started the (long) process of making it known to the world.
o_O;;
I know it's not all food. I know it's not magic.
But DAMN. I'll take it. 8D

Food today:
Leftover sweet potato "quiche" for breakfast, some almonds and a bit of avocado for a mid-morning snack, and soon to be feasting on an asparagus/pork/brussle sprout dish I made last night (It's pretty yummy! I didn't follow a recipe, but it turned out fun, and should serve as lunches and/or dinners for the rest of the week easily. I used lots of garlic and coconut milk and ginger and am really enjoying the flavor palate. Cooking meat is still new and fun to play with.)

Tonight I'm going out with some co-workers. Not entirely sure what I'll eat, only what I won't. It'll be alright, hopefully fun, but I'm already steeling myself for the barrage. It will probably be less-awful than I expect. We'll see.
Part of the issue is I don't really know HOW to explain myself? I did this originally because soy was causing me issues, and I needed to get a handle on my eating habits. Both of these things are still true. But I'm not doing it again because I need to SCIENCE why my body reacts to certain foods a certain way. I'm doing it because it feels healthy and good. Weirdly enough people have the hardest time with that answer over others...
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« Reply #1316 on: March 31, 2016, 11:54:42 AM »
Orvell: Np, I haaaate multistep recipes and am always looking for ways to make the effort barrier lower. Frittatas/quiches are great for using up leftovers with new flavors in general. Excited for you and your tiger blood! (Wow that's a weird sentence)

Day 18
Kind of exciting, I'm actually losing track of the days because it's less of a big deal. I only count to see when I can participate in certain social activities. Last night I made meat patties from Paleo Takeout, uses a method of mixing 1lb meat with 2TB tapioca starch, plus seasonings, in a food processor. It makes for a 'smoother' texture, in the Asian style. The recipe called for 1TB fish sauce which I shorted (because so smelly!)...it was SO pungent during pan-frying I worried they would come out gross, but after cooking the flavors blended harmoniously. Bf added maple syrup to his (that's how subtle the fish sauce flavor is), and was so happy because the texture is closer to the sausage patties served at restaurants. Next time I would double the recipe, maybe do a breakfast-seasoned version.

Also made the lamb meatballs (http://soletshangout.com/roasted-kabocha-squash-carrot-ginger-soup-with-lamb-meatballs/) and they came out great.

I tried the broccoli salad someone else posted and it was...okay for us. Bf did not like that it was cold, I think I might just try adding a squirt of lemon to roasted broccoli instead.

Continuously adding new things to make from this thread plus my cookbooks is really helping me stick with it and not get bored.
Tonight, carnitas from Well Fed and spinach soup!


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« Reply #1317 on: March 31, 2016, 12:40:16 PM »
Orvell:
Also made the lamb meatballs (http://soletshangout.com/roasted-kabocha-squash-carrot-ginger-soup-with-lamb-meatballs/) and they came out great.
I'm not doing the whole 30, just chiming in to say I love that soup, and I have some stored in my freezer.  I didn't think I would because kabocha squash is really sweet, but it really turned out well.

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« Reply #1318 on: April 01, 2016, 12:18:20 PM »
I'm still trying to get enough funds to loosen up the grocery budget so we can take the plunge. Anyone doing this with kids without a horrendous grocery budget? Lunches for kids are my particular problem. We eat pretty whole30 for dinner. Breakfast is easy.

I would love to hear frugal, whole30 school lunch ideas, please?

Mongoose - I'm a mom to two boys who eat non-stop. During the four times I've done Whole30, I don't have my kids stick to the rules 100%. There are just too many things I can't control (hello cupcake at school for a kid's birthday). Do I really think my boys will turn down those foods because their mom is doing Whole30?  Heck no!  But of course, that doesn't mean I let them eat whatever they want. Supper for them will be whatever I eat, which is Whole30 (when I'm doing the program strictly). For lunches, my oldest will get some leftovers (which are whole30) because he can use the microwave to warm up food. I have at least 2 cold packs in his insulated lunch bag, and it's worked great so far. My youngest isn't allowed to use the microwaves yet, so he will often get sandwiches, along with other good stuff likes veggies, fruit, apple sauce (with NO sugar), string cheese (NOT Whole30).

As a single mom, I just don't have the energy to try to make them be 100% compliant. (although this wouldn't be any different if I was still married). Also, remember that Whole30 is an elimination diet and is not meant to be your diet forever. It's a tool to find out if you have issues with any foods, and to give you more control over what you eventually choose to eat moving forward. My kids just aren't old enough to really give a lot of thought to this, and they definitely aren't good yet at communicating how a food makes them feel.  That will come with time. Of course, there are always exceptions to this when kids have clear allergies/reactions to food.  Thankfully the only issue with food we have is with eggs for my oldest.  It clearly gives him a stomach ache when he eats them. I wish you the best as you try to figure this out!

The restriction is also giving me a greater appreciation of being able to be less strict most of the time...compared to people with severe allergies or my cousin who has intense limitations due to illness. After 30 days I'll be able to go back to eating these things (after reintroduction, in moderate amounts) but some people actually live with these challenges all the time. It's humbling when I remember how much I've whined and how depressed I've felt about not being able to go out without lots of debate and planning. I have the resources to spend as much as I like on delicious, healthy, ethically sourced groceries. I have the love of cooking and excitement about trying new foods and recipes. I have a well-appointed kitchen to craft dishes in, with a soon-to-be-complete tupperware collection. (Plus I've lost ~5lb in the first two weeks of the W30.) Life is pretty darn good.

rawr237 - Absolutely agree!  I often think too of other countries where people just don't have access to safe food, or even food in general. Why am I so blessed to be born in the US, healthy, able to eat whatever I want, and on and on? Unfortunately I still slip occasionally into my old habits of laziness and "I deserve it" mentality but those thoughts are becoming more scarce. 
Also, to your comments earlier about the budget exploding. In addition to your savings on junk food, there is typically a cycle too, meaning you may spend a lot one month, but often you aren't eating all of that food. Some of the meat may go into the freezer, and expensive olive/avocado oil will last 2 months, and so on. I think it's well worth it.  :-)

Update for the week
I'm on day 18 and things are going great. As others are finding out, it gets easier and easier each round you do of the Whole30. This week I made those yummy meatballs that I posted earlier.  They feed me all week for my lunches, along with caulirice and cherry tomatoes. Breakfast was deviled eggs and fruit. Supper was kalua pork all week with boiled potatoes and ghee. This time I didn't use any bacon with the pork (didn't have any compliant) and instead used smoked paprika.  It was honestly the best batch I've had yet. 
My sleep has been really good, but I'm still finding that I need A LOT OF SLEEP! I need to get my menu planned for next week.  More veggies are necessary, since I know I'm not getting enough, and not enough variety. Also, I'm starting to reduce the amount of fruit I eat. I think that will help more with guarding off teh sugar dragon after I'm done with the 30 days. 
A few days after day 30 is my birthday, so I've already started the mental game of "Do I or don't I eat sugar on my birthday?".  I'm not sure yet which side is winning.  :-)

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« Reply #1319 on: April 02, 2016, 02:29:46 PM »
Day 12
Okay you know how I said this time 'round was easier? I mean, it still is.
But FUCK guys. This morning I woke up wanting cake and whisky. I can taste it in my mind. It's horrible. I want it.

Slept in later than usual (made it past 8 o'clock! Sound the trumpets!) and, via herculean efforts, did NOT make or procure or eat cake. Instead I made a weird frittata! I had only 3 eggs left (booo!) but I stretched 'em and made it work. Came out pretty good, and should serve as several more breakfasts.
I still need to do my meal-prep for the week, though. Debating what I want to do... What I REALLY want to do is fire up the grill and make a shit ton of chicken wings. Today's weather sucks, but I'm hoping I'll have time tomorrow.

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« Reply #1320 on: April 04, 2016, 07:18:34 AM »
Go Orvell! Way to go on not eating the cake (or drinking whiskey...pretty funny cravings to wake up with, you have to admit). That frittata looks yummy.

I have more chicken wings in my fridge too. It's becoming a weekly thing, ha. I will FINALLY try that salt and pepper recipe this time. Also on the menu: Nom Nom Paleo's bacon burgers, Paleo Takout Gyro meat, whole roasted cauliflower, pureed rutabaga.

Went to the Saturday cocktail party, ate/drank nothing but water. Ate at Aladdin's and it was amazing - ended up kinda pricey (my grilled chicken salad + small baba ganoush + mint tea = ~$22 with tip, but stretched to two meals) but such a luxury to not have to cook/clean. Bf took apart and cleaned the grill this weekend, and after putting it back together...it doesn't work right lol. So my plan to have him grill half our meals this week was foiled.

Day 22
Can't believe I'm on the last full week! I slacked off on my meal prep this weekend, but I still have coconut milk, mayo, pesto, leftover soup and carnitas in the fridge. The carnitas (from Well Fed) came out...just okay, a little dry and took longer than expected. I want to take another run at that recipe soon, using smaller chunks of meat.

Last night I blended up 2lb of sausage and made patties again, but after bf cooked them they were TINY.

Pre-dinner conversation:
Bf: What's for dinner?
Me: 'sausage patties...and there's leftover green beans'
Bf: 'That doesn't sound very filling' (looks in fridge) 'There are hot dogs, I can grill those too'

I'm having trouble overcoming his mindset that protein + veg can't possible be a full meal. 'Veggies aren't filling', etc. His default solution is apparently to make TWO kinds of meat. *facepalm* My current solution is to tell him to microwave a sweet potato. Last night I didn't cook a vegetable (there were roasted green beans, and spinach soup, and pumpkin soup in the fridge)...

I ate = 3 sausage patties (not feeling well = not hungry, or else I would have added soup)
He ate = ~6 sausage patties, sweet potato with cinnamon and butter

He is not as concerned with optimizing the budget and minimizing waste as I am (I HATE food waste), being more concerned with what he feels like eating (and yes, it feels like I'm cooking for a child sometimes). Since before I moved back he ate out all the time, I can see how that would lead to expectation of eating whatever you want whenever you want it. Bf does recognize the benefits - he's lost weight and saved money, and usually he enjoys my home-cooked meals - but I don't think he fully realizes how much additional effort I put in to try to keep him happy...especially since his favorite foods are cheesy carbs.

Sorry for the whine/rant, done now!

My work team is planning a beer tasting bus tour, I requested that it be scheduled next Friday (post-W30), fingers crossed that the date works out.

Thinking about making meatza: http://meljoulwan.com/2010/02/16/dinner-and-a-movie%E2%84%A2-meatza-pie-and-the-vancouver-olympics/ *drool*

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« Reply #1321 on: April 04, 2016, 08:08:31 AM »
Well, I thought about doing another Whole 30 in April but honestly I can't muster the mental energy needed for that at this point.  But since my primary problem is SUGAR (and I didn't discover any food intolerances or allergies during my first Whole 30), I have decided to just do a "no added sugar month" in April.  Today is day 4. 

So I'll be hanging out with all of you here again and getting inspired by your awesome posts, recipes and meal ideas!



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« Reply #1322 on: April 04, 2016, 11:24:56 AM »
ZiziPB -- sugar is also my problem. I was going to start another Whole30 today, but now you've got me wondering if I should just do 30 days of no sugar. What to do...what to do....hmmm!

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« Reply #1323 on: April 04, 2016, 12:54:28 PM »
Guys, I think I'm going to drop out of this Whole30.
Before you all have kittens, here's both my explanation and my plan:
(With number breakdowns! Because numbers are fun.)

1) I really like how I feel when I'm doing the Whole30. This is my second one (Day 14!) and I've learned loads from it.
2) It's taught me I do well with rules. And that without rules I slip back into my old habits whole hog.
3) That said, it's very limiting, and I want to be able to eat foods I know don't negatively affect me and not worry in social settings.
4) SO! I'm going to, starting today, do a weird hybrid approach. I'm still ironing out the details, but I'm not going to worry about things when I'm eating out or at a friend's house. I am, however, going to keep To A Plan while at home. That means seriously keeping sugar down to a minimum (I'm either going to do a 'you can use it 2x a week' or 'every other week is full no-sugar) (like all ya'll my sugar dragon is the real enemy here) and keeping baked goods limited, too. I'm going to continue to mostly cook Whole30 ish. Just less stringently. :)
5) Hopefully this will still be awesome for me, but also give me the freedom to worry less and enjoy more.
6) I'm still gonna haunt this place. ;) You can't get rid of me.
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« Reply #1324 on: April 04, 2016, 01:00:30 PM »
I'm going to, starting today, do a weird hybrid approach. I'm still ironing out the details, but I'm not going to worry about things when I'm eating out or at a friend's house. I am, however, going to keep To A Plan while at home. That means seriously keeping sugar down to a minimum (I'm either going to do a 'you can use it 2x a week' or 'every other week is full no-sugar) (like all ya'll my sugar dragon is the real enemy here) and keeping baked goods limited, too. I'm going to continue to mostly cook Whole30 ish. Just less stringently. :)

This is basically what we do. Food we batch-prep is Whole 30-compliant. My breakfasts are also. We don't stress out too much about it on the weekends, when eating at restaurants, or with friends. And we like alcohol.

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« Reply #1325 on: April 04, 2016, 01:29:05 PM »
I'm going to, starting today, do a weird hybrid approach. I'm still ironing out the details, but I'm not going to worry about things when I'm eating out or at a friend's house. I am, however, going to keep To A Plan while at home. That means seriously keeping sugar down to a minimum (I'm either going to do a 'you can use it 2x a week' or 'every other week is full no-sugar) (like all ya'll my sugar dragon is the real enemy here) and keeping baked goods limited, too. I'm going to continue to mostly cook Whole30 ish. Just less stringently. :)

This is basically what we do. Food we batch-prep is Whole 30-compliant. My breakfasts are also. We don't stress out too much about it on the weekends, when eating at restaurants, or with friends. And we like alcohol.
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« Reply #1326 on: April 04, 2016, 01:56:27 PM »
Hi All!

Life got busy, haven't had a chance to respond as often as I would like.

Orvell - I don't think there is anything wrong with re-jigging the whole 30 experience to fit you. Remember, it isn't SUPPOSE to be a long-term diet. So figuring out how you want to eat going forward is super important.

Zizi and 1967 mamma - I think continuing with a 30 day no sugar plan is a great idea!

I'm still plugging along. Hubby has been working crazy hours which is making things harder, and he is just about to start 14-16 hour nights for the next 15 days or so in a row. He's stressed, I'm stressed, I miss him. This is the time when I am bored and lonely that the cravings really kick in. Not to mention both our sleeping patterns are going to go for a shit. I'm hoping the healthy food will help counter some of that.

Also, apparently our oven circuitry is on the fritz, so not sure how that is going to screw with my plans. I'm currently roasting sweet potatoes in our toaster oven. We'll see how she goes :)


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« Reply #1327 on: April 05, 2016, 10:21:08 AM »
I second doing a WhateverYouWantToCallIt30, doing part of the plan is better than not doing it at all. It is what you make of it. I feel like this time around I'm not looking for the same things I was last time (my digestion has been better lately, so mostly looking to be healthier/lighter/more energetic).

swick: That schedule sounds BRUTAL. Good luck to both of you!

Day 23
One week left. I reeeeally want a glass of wine. Not in an I-might-cave kind of way, just kind of grouchy about it. Wine make cooking/cleaning feel less like work. Have to make sure when I reintroduce I find a good moderation point, because it's too easy for weekend drinking only to turn into just one glass on a weekday to a couple glasses every night. Not good for my goals or my energy. I'm leaning towards allowing a glass a few times a week, a glass or two on weekend nights -- would like it to add up to no more than 4-5 glasses/week. Also because it impacts budget (but I can't wait til I don't have to turn down fancy wine shared by the parents).

Still not having fun with the cooking for bf while all he really wants is carbs, meat, and cheese. Will have to figure out how I'm going to cook and eat after the challenge...right now I feel like I could stay mostly W30 indefinitely, except for free meals at work and occasional homemade treats. Except for the added restriction of cooking things he likes (so if I make cauliflower or eggplant, etc, I also make sure there's a vegetable he likes). Will have to work on my batch cooking skills.

I made the Kitchen Magpie S+P wings, they were DELICIOUS but not as crispy as I'd like. Next time would do them on the baking rack. I want to put the garlic sesame oil on everything.

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« Reply #1328 on: April 08, 2016, 11:41:10 AM »
Day 25
I've been printing out more and more recipes to try, so my meals have been far from boring.  In fact, they are delicious! Here's one for Bang Bang shrimp that is divine.  Put it over spaghetti squash or caulirice.  So good!

http://www.platedwithstyle.com/2014/01/01/bang-bang-shrimp/

Orvell's post got me think ahead for my plans after Day 30.  Do I do a reintro?  Stay on plan?  Something else? Rather than doing a reintro (which I've somewhat done before), I had actually been thinking along similar lines of doing a hybrid, kinda like Philociraptor. Sugar is still my largest weakness and I know I'm very prone to going back to full blown sugar binges, which I don't want to happen. Here's my current thoughts:
1 - Cooking at home remains Whole30, except for trace sugar.  Even trace amounts I'm going to limit as much as possible.
2 - Absolutely NO additional sugar outside the trace amounts. I want to stick with no sugar for at least 4-6 months. (Wanna join mama1967? Not sure what you decided on)
3 - When I'm eating out, at friends house, etc then I will enjoy myself and eat what I'm served or what's available. But, still NO sugar!

I really want to be the 'everything on moderation' eater, but I've just found that I'm not. I have to deal with it, and adjust to it.  Life isn't fair and there are things that could be much worse.

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« Reply #1329 on: April 08, 2016, 01:01:04 PM »
Thanks for the invitation Mom22Boys! I have 1967daughter coming home from a 2 week trip on Sunday and will decide then whether to move forward with another whole30 (I tried and failed the other day...bahhh!)

Every breakfast is perfect but then it's a slow slide as the day goes on. Weight is hovering around the same point.

Not sure what to do next. Still have 40 lbs to go. I'm such a sugar addict:-(((

I'm looking into Trim Healthy Mama. They are similar but allow oats and Greek yogurt. Also they allow stevia. No wheat still.

I'm a bit exasperated at the moment, as you can probably tell:-/

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« Reply #1330 on: April 11, 2016, 09:39:05 AM »
How is everyone doing? Share your updates!!

Sorry for the radio silence! I have been trucking along. It has been *really* difficult just in general with Hubby's insane work schedule.  I have still kept things complaint for me and for the most part for him, except he has been having homemade granola over yogurt for breakfasts. He doesn't seem to have any issues with dairy or oats and it has been a life-saver having something that requires no thought or prep after his 15-16 hour nightshifts. On that note, I better check his granola supply.

I finally got around to making the chicken curry from the Whole 30 cookbook, except I roasted a couple of heads of cauliflower and used that instead of chicken since my chicken wasn't thawed yet. I think it is entirely dependent on the quality of your yellow curry powder that you use, but it was delish! It is a very simple recipe too with pantry staples.

Rawr237 - I had a thought about the BF. Could you be on the lookout for a cheap panini press? I have found them at thrift stores and garage sales. Having buns in the freezer a meat option on hand and some toppings makes a super easy meal or meal addition. Hot, toasty, cheesy...should meet your BF's needs and not drive you crazy trying to cook two different meals or worry about always having to supplement for him.

1967mamma - I think at the end of the day you have to figure out what works for you! Especially those of us who are on a longer-term journey to get back to healthy :) The sugar is by far the hardest part! if you look at it like coming off any addictive substance or drug, it is literally a one day at a time challenge. It is a socially acceptable and encouraged drug. I'm kinda surprised there aren't actual recovery programs for sugar addicts.

Also, I would really encourage you to go back and read some of your first posts from this thread. You have come a long, long ways and made so many life-changes and such amazing progress. It is easy to get frustrated as it takes longer to notice results and the wins seem a little smaller the more progress you make, but if you look at the overall picture - what you have accomplished in the last 7 or so months is awesome!

Everyone: What wins and successes are you celebrating today?


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« Reply #1331 on: April 11, 2016, 11:16:45 AM »
I'm starting the challenge hwen I get back from Chicago on Wednesday. I might delay it for a few days to get everything in my kitchen and to finish the book. Would love any advice.

During the week here is what I usually eat, I tend to cook lunches and dinners on Sunday and just warm up each day.

Breakfast- Bacon, eggs, avocado, and half a green smoothie (water, kale, banana, blueberry)
Lunch- Shredded buffalo chicken with green leaf and other veggies
Dinner- Slow cooker Indian chicken (wihtout heavy cream)

I feel like that's paleo. My problem is snacks and weekends. Right now I eat chocolate and make chocolate (almond) milk, and eat out on the weekends. I'm likely just going to make an extra large portion of the slow cooker chicken to keep in the fridge along with another dish.

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« Reply #1332 on: April 11, 2016, 11:36:17 AM »
Swick - thanks for your thoughts .. Could this be a side hustle: sugar addict recovery program leader. Hahah!

I've strung together 2 good days here and went shopping at a thrift store and found 5 new shirts for $31. I don't want to go back to where I was but I'm also feeling very ruled by sweets again. It's almost like I had to know so could eat some and then be able to stop. But I couldn't stop. Now I can again. Last night we went out to my parents for dessert and I only had tea and fruit! A small victory for me as there were cookies and bars as well.

My husband noticed something interesting. We ran out of avacados for about a week and this coincided with my "I don't care what I eat" bad attitude. He wonders if my daily 1/2 a big Costco avacado is what turns off my sugar cravings??!! I think he's got something there! I had my first monkey bowl in a month yesterday. Oh my gosh-- I was SOOOOO full after that. So more fats there too.

I feel like I have to focus on just one meal at a time. Not the next 20 years!
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« Reply #1333 on: April 11, 2016, 04:02:05 PM »
I feel like I have to focus on just one meal at a time. Not the next 20 years!

TRUTH.

You know if you have been accustomed to having those healthy avocado fats (esp. in the morning) and you stopped without replacing that fat, it is more than possible it affects your sugar cravings. Fats keep you full and feeling satiated.

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« Reply #1334 on: April 12, 2016, 12:07:34 PM »
I'm starting the challenge hwen I get back from Chicago on Wednesday. I might delay it for a few days to get everything in my kitchen and to finish the book. Would love any advice.

During the week here is what I usually eat, I tend to cook lunches and dinners on Sunday and just warm up each day.

Breakfast- Bacon, eggs, avocado, and half a green smoothie (water, kale, banana, blueberry)
Lunch- Shredded buffalo chicken with green leaf and other veggies
Dinner- Slow cooker Indian chicken (wihtout heavy cream)

I feel like that's paleo. My problem is snacks and weekends. Right now I eat chocolate and make chocolate (almond) milk, and eat out on the weekends. I'm likely just going to make an extra large portion of the slow cooker chicken to keep in the fridge along with another dish.

Welcome MgoSam!  We would love to help you through your 30 day adventure.  The first thing I always recommend is to at least read the rules on the Whole30 website, but it's even better that you have the book.  Which one do you have?  'It Starts with Food' or 'Whole30'?  I have both, and there are good aspects to both. The first book is better with the overall science, but Whole30 is nicer pics and recipes, which is really helpful through the thirty days.

You are absolutely right that this is like paleo, but it's more strict. As you'll learn, the most important thing is to read your labels, read your labels, and read your labels again.  There is sugar in EVERYTHING!  And they often disguise it with many different names.  Your smart phone (yeah, not the most MMM) is your friend at the grocery store. I'm always searching for ingredients.  Just search for "<ingredient> whole30" and you'll find your answer.

Just looking at your sample meal, you are have a great pattern to follow.  Compliant bacon is super hard to find (sugar, sugar, sugar).  I finally found some during my third round of whole30. Also, you might want to rethink the smoothie. They don't recommend smoothies during the Whole30, because of how it's digested and they typically have more sugar than is recommended (of course from the fruit, not added sugar). But....that's really your call on whether or not to have it.  At least you have other whole foods with it. :-)

Chocolate (or sugar in general) is my biggest problem, along with many on this thread as you may have read. :-) It will get easier as you go through the 30 days.  Also, the book recommends not snacking if possible (with some exceptions for long days, exercising, etc).  During my first round, I found I didn't really NEED the snack because I wasn't hungry. It was more of a mental game of 'Well, I always snack when I'm doing X.'  That is hard to break, and I still fall into that trap.

We're all a work in progress!  Good luck!

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« Reply #1335 on: April 12, 2016, 12:21:11 PM »
I'm such a sugar addict:-(((

I'm a bit exasperated at the moment, as you can probably tell:-/

(hope your all sitting in a support circle right now) Hello, my name is mom22boys, and I'm a sugar addict!  Oh, 1967mama....I totally feel your pain and have been frustrated too.  In between my last 2 rounds I totally went overboard with sugar again and found I just didn't want to stop, because damn it, I deserve it! And after I'm done with my rant and rebounding from my sugar high/low, I quickly realized that 30 days isn't enough to kick this sugar habit. I can't just have one bite and then go back to no sugar....at least not yet.

For my update, I stopped at Day 25 because I forgot I had a banquet this last weekend, and then a lunch with family driving through town yesterday. Instead, I've started with my hybrid that I typed out a few posts ago.  I went to the banquet Saturday and ate what I was given, even some bread.  But, I didn't touch the dessert.  I felt pretty empowered walking out of the banquet.  What a concept....I can say NO to dessert! On Sunday, I was back to eating at home and was 100% compliant (not even trace sugar). I'm such a rules/challenge person, so I have to approach my hybrid eating just like I do with the pure Whole30 rules. My birthday is next week and I already told my mom that I would absolutely NOT eat any cakes, treats etc.  Instead, I asked for fruit. 

Good luck everyone!  Keep up the good healthy eating!


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« Reply #1336 on: April 12, 2016, 04:45:49 PM »
A co-worker told me about this and it piqued my interest, and now especially reading all these great results makes it even more enticing. Has anyone here been on Whole30 with hypothyroidism and found this diet change helped to become medicine free? Curious to see...

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« Reply #1337 on: April 13, 2016, 08:35:55 AM »
mom22boys: good job making the Whole 30 work for you, good luck with that sugar dragon!

WHOLE 30 COMPLETE
Yesterday was my last day, yay! I've given up coffee starting this week to see if that gets me better sleep, less headaches (was headachy all last week), better digestion. Still getting the headaches tho :(
I had planned to add back rice today, but it doesn't go with my dinner plan so...maybe tomorrow. I might have a piece of chocolate after dinner, but otherwise my meals are actually compliant. I might try low-FODMAP to see if it helps with my bloat, but overall I'm happy with my results. ~7lb down, better energy, better digestion.
I still have 20lb to go to hit my target weight (and 8% body fat to lose), which is good motivation to keep eating mostly clean. It is exciting to be able to go out again without stressing (next week is the local restaurant week, so I have two dinners planned).

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« Reply #1338 on: April 13, 2016, 09:02:14 AM »
WAY TO GO RAWR237!!!

Great job! Keep us posted as you do your reintro!

Welcome MgoSam! Definitely let us know if you have any questions/challenges/thoughts as you start your Whole 30!

It sounds like you already have a pretty good diet. Coconut milk/oil are your friends. I use it anywhere you would use milk/yogurt in Indian dishes. Also, if you are not getting enough fats you will be more tempted to snack. Really helps with keeping you satiated.

A co-worker told me about this and it piqued my interest, and now especially reading all these great results makes it even more enticing. Has anyone here been on Whole30 with hypothyroidism and found this diet change helped to become medicine free? Curious to see...

I'm not sure if anyone in our group has been Hypothroid...but I do remember reading a testimonial on a fb group: https://www.facebook.com/Whole9/posts/10151663957466554

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« Reply #1339 on: April 13, 2016, 11:47:09 AM »
Thanks everyone. I just finished Whole30. Here is what I am thinking, I am usually gone from 8 am until 8 or 9 pm M-F.

I want to continue eating what I eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and continue it for the weekend (when I tend to eat out or not care about what I eat). I will eliminate bacon and use avocados instead, with this plan I'll be eating a ton of meat and so I don't mind reducing my meat content for breakfasts. I checked and my buffalo sauce is ok with Whole30. I am going to adapt my dinner to increase my vegetable intake. In addition to the Indian chicken, I'm going to eat a side salad. I will give up smoothies for this, though I might use for them for post-workout meals. I would like to cook all my meals on Sunday (except breakfast) so that it's far easier to continue eating well after a long and hard day.

For those of you that work out fairly intensively (I do Muay Thai and/or boxing for 2 hours most evenings), do you recommend going easy during this period? I know that many people mention having a TON of energy mid-way through the program, but I am guessing that when you hit a funk, it's going to be really difficult to have energy. At work I can take a nap during the day so long as things aren't busy, which I intend on taking advantage of.

Also what do you recommend eating/drinking immediately after the workout? I want to get proteins and carbs into me as soon as possible. I have ordered Rxbars, but I would like to hear if there are other options that you've found to work. I will eat dinner once I get home and I am only about 15 minutes from the gym so maybe I could just wait until I get home and warm up my dinner.

Thanks again!

Edit: I have never gotten into potatoes, sweet potatoes, or squashes, do you recommend I eat any to my meals to get more carbs? I don't mind adding them to my slow cooker for the Indian chicken dish or to other things.
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« Reply #1340 on: April 13, 2016, 12:18:43 PM »
For those of you that work out fairly intensively (I do Muay Thai and/or boxing for 2 hours most evenings), do you recommend going easy during this period?

Also what do you recommend eating/drinking immediately after the workout?

If you have an overall drop in calories or a large change in the amount of energy you are getting from fat vs. carbs, you may have to take it easy for a bit. We do Crossfit daily and I try and eat at least a cup of prepared potato (typically sweet, but sometimes gold or white) with both lunch and dinner. I just do eggs and meat for breakfast. Potatoes are going to be your main carb source.

For post-workout nutrition, I just go straight home and eat dinner. No protein shakes unless the workout was very intense or I can feel soreness coming on.

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« Reply #1341 on: April 13, 2016, 12:20:58 PM »
[ I try and eat at least a cup of prepared potato (typically sweet, but sometimes gold or white) with both lunch and dinner. I just do eggs and meat for breakfast. Potatoes are going to be your main carb source.


How do you prepare them? Do you just nuke them and then add some salt and consume? I've never gotten into potatos, but I will get some from the groceries today to have them on hand.

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« Reply #1342 on: April 13, 2016, 12:25:11 PM »
[ I try and eat at least a cup of prepared potato (typically sweet, but sometimes gold or white) with both lunch and dinner. I just do eggs and meat for breakfast. Potatoes are going to be your main carb source.


How do you prepare them? Do you just nuke them and then add some salt and consume? I've never gotten into potatos, but I will get some from the groceries today to have them on hand.

Sweet potatoes can be microwaved on high, 3-5 minutes, flip, 3-5 minutes (depending on size). Open, allow to cool, add salt and garlic powder or cinnamon, depending on if you prefer savory or sweet. We also add clarified butter if we're feeling extra fancy. We do microwaved sweet potatoes once or twice a week.

More often we do a hash: dice several potatoes (3/8" dice) and cook with coconut oil on the stovetop. Salt, pepper, garlic powder, onion powder, and paprika. Cook covered, make sure to mix around every few minutes to keep from burning the bottom.

For gold or white potatoes we do a rough chop, boil for 12 minutes, mash, add salt, pepper, garlic, and clarified butter. Garlic mashed potatoes are delicious.

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« Reply #1343 on: April 13, 2016, 08:00:46 PM »
Day 1 (first 24 hours) completed.

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« Reply #1344 on: April 13, 2016, 08:48:31 PM »
I made some noodles out of Spiralized butternut squash. Had them with spinach meatballs and sauce. Just tossed them in with the meatballs and sauce and cooked for a couple extra minutes. Closest we have come so far to resembling actual noodles, don't go totally soggy like zoodles. Very tasty :)

Looks like I have survived another round of whole 30, and Hubby survived another shutdown. Looking forward to life getting back to normal! Well on the job front. A whole 30-ish life style is the new normal for us. That being said, a historic hotel in our area does an AMAZING Sunday brunch, and we are going to be partaking sometime soon!

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« Reply #1345 on: April 14, 2016, 08:48:34 AM »
Hey everyone,

I am not doing Whole 30 (just counting calories for me) but my DH is on a super restrictive diet due to health reasons right now and I need inspiration. We were doing fine for the last couple of months, but he is going through a phase where he doesn't have an appetite for most of the food I have been making. He's dropping weight like crazy and we NEED to get more calories into him. He also doesn't have much of an appetite in general right now.

He used to pad out his meals with lots of plain veggies and a LOT of raw nuts. He pretty much doesn't want either right now. He'd like to keep his diet with absolutely no sugar, no meat (although occasionally he will eat a tiny bit), no dairy (that means no yogurt), no white carbs like rice, white potatoes, etc. Conventional high calorie stuff suggested are peanut butter (absolutely no peanuts), cottage cheese (no dairy), or protein powders (blech). He primarily wants clean, whole foods. My mom suggested a Greens+ supplement but he is not in favor of using a powder.

It doesn't help that I'm frustrated and feel so at a loss for inspiration. I look through recipes but most look too difficult to make or unappealing in general. He's frustrated too - I think this weekend he is going to give in and ask for Vietnamese summer rolls. It's overall filled with yummy fresh veggies, but the sauce I make for this is based on hoisin and peanut butter. *sigh* Last night I told him to just blow the budget (ACK!) and go out to eat at our local vegan-friendly restaurants. Except that he's going to find that by and large, he'll still have to compromise his diet (breading, buns, potatoes, etc).

To top it all off, because of his health, he only has so much energy to get through the day. Which means he doesn't have the energy to help me with meal prep like he used to. Which means the whole burden of cooking is falling on me. Which is probably why I am getting burned out. I have to balance his needs (gaining weight!) with mine (losing weight!) and the kids (not particularly crazy about this whole veggie thing).

Any recipes/ideas? This is even more restrictive that vegan diets and I'm not sure where else to turn for inspiration. Since sugar is the #1 thing he wants to avoid, I wondered if you guys had ideas for high calorie food in small doses. (BTW, he was grossed out by the thought of clarified butter - I showed it to him last night and it was a NO).

I'm going to try a sweet potato hash based on the recipe @Philociraptor posted. I think he will like that. Yesterday, I baked a multigrain tortilla (which has the forbidden flour sigh - but he is getting desperate) with coconut oil. At least it was more calories than his method of eating it completely plain!
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« Reply #1346 on: April 14, 2016, 09:37:06 AM »
Hi, Elaine amj - I do have some ideas off the top of my head. You can make a decent "Peanut Sauce" by subbing the PB with Almond Butter. I also add a little Tahini  to mine balances the almond butter a bit.

It sounds like your hubby really needs to be getting more good fat calories. Have you looked into a KETO Diet? It sounds like that is pretty much what he is doing.

Full fat coconut milk and coconut oil are your friends. Rich and nutritious veggie curries can be made based on coconut milk and they are usually dead simple. No need for dairy.

KETO Fat bombs would also be a good idea, they are easy to make, can be adjusted to dietary restrictions and are grab and go.  Here are some ideas to get you started:
These ones are from a Paleo site, so should be all good with most of your resrtictionshttp://thenourishedcaveman.com/fat-bombs-roundup/

This is a monster list, More Keto, most should be suitable with a couple of tweaks. http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/03/24/60-amazing-fat-bomb-recipes

I'm guessing because I don't know what your Hubby's medical condition is, but it sounds like on top of everything he is in that stage where he is not getting enough carbs to burn glucose as a primary fuel, but he might be eating too much to keep from going fully into KETO. That is a lethargic and generally crappy place to be in.

The struggle of trying to cook low-cal for yourself while trying to keep up with making him calorie dense foods must be exhausting. If you are only counting calories as a way of losing weight and for no other reason, I would encourage you to consider a Paleo/Whole 30 approach. The diet would be good for him, and you would continue to lose weight without having to worry about making separate food or keeping track of everything. Also...you'd be doing it together, which would be a huge support  and make it easier for both of you. Just my two cents :)



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« Reply #1347 on: April 14, 2016, 10:17:03 AM »
Hi, Elaine amj - I do have some ideas off the top of my head. You can make a decent "Peanut Sauce" by subbing the PB with Almond Butter. I also add a little Tahini  to mine balances the almond butter a bit.

It sounds like your hubby really needs to be getting more good fat calories. Have you looked into a KETO Diet? It sounds like that is pretty much what he is doing.

Full fat coconut milk and coconut oil are your friends. Rich and nutritious veggie curries can be made based on coconut milk and they are usually dead simple. No need for dairy.

KETO Fat bombs would also be a good idea, they are easy to make, can be adjusted to dietary restrictions and are grab and go.  Here are some ideas to get you started:
These ones are from a Paleo site, so should be all good with most of your resrtictionshttp://thenourishedcaveman.com/fat-bombs-roundup/

This is a monster list, More Keto, most should be suitable with a couple of tweaks. http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/03/24/60-amazing-fat-bomb-recipes

I'm guessing because I don't know what your Hubby's medical condition is, but it sounds like on top of everything he is in that stage where he is not getting enough carbs to burn glucose as a primary fuel, but he might be eating too much to keep from going fully into KETO. That is a lethargic and generally crappy place to be in.

The struggle of trying to cook low-cal for yourself while trying to keep up with making him calorie dense foods must be exhausting. If you are only counting calories as a way of losing weight and for no other reason, I would encourage you to consider a Paleo/Whole 30 approach. The diet would be good for him, and you would continue to lose weight without having to worry about making separate food or keeping track of everything. Also...you'd be doing it together, which would be a huge support  and make it easier for both of you. Just my two cents :)

He is focused on alkalizing foods and avoiding all acidic foods. And as he reads, he adds more stuff to the "no" list. I told him he needs to stop researching or he will be reduced to eating grass LOL! I looked into Vegan/Paleo/Whole30 but all contain stuff on his "won't eat" list. Same with keto. That definitely contributes to my frustration. So unfortunately, none of those diets will work. I have no issues eating primarily the way he eats (I often add a sprinkle of meat on my food) and it's actually been great for my own weight loss.  We've been doing a ton of zoodles, squashes, curries, tofu stirfries, etc. The problem cropped up when he lost his appetite for our current meals so I need some recipe inspirations:) And honestly, I'm rather at a loss at how to add enough extra calories when cooking primarily whole foods. He gets so full after a 600 calorie meal.

I LOVE the fat bombs. The first couple I looked at didn't work (cream cheese, etc) but then I found some that were primarily coconut and shredded coconut. I emailed him the ingredient list so hopefully he will be good with that. He doesn't like stevia but is ok with raw honey occasionally. They were a fabulous suggestion - thank you so very much! One of my friends is on some diet where she has to eat spoonfuls of coconut oil and often consumes them plain. Suggested it to DH and he was willing to give it a go, but the fat bombs will go down much better :)

And thanks for the peanut sauce idea! I'm going to see if I can make something that would go well with the summer rolls.

Sometimes I think I work myself into more of a frenzy than I should. I am trying so insanely hard to stick to the list he gives me. Then he gets frustrated, goes out to eat and has a vegan burger, and I'm sure the burger buns have wheat. So why can't I add some flour to our sauce or use breadcrumbs in the zucchini meatballs?! (well, I do - but I feel super guilty afterwards).

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« Reply #1348 on: April 14, 2016, 10:29:11 AM »

He is focused on alkalizing foods and avoiding all acidic foods.

One of my friends is on some diet where she has to eat spoonfuls of coconut oil and often consumes them plain. Suggested it to DH and he was willing to give it a go, but the fat bombs will go down much better :)

And thanks for the peanut sauce idea! I'm going to see if I can make something that would go well with the summer rolls.

Sometimes I think I work myself into more of a frenzy than I should. I am trying so insanely hard to stick to the list he gives me. Then he gets frustrated, goes out to eat and has a vegan burger, and I'm sure the burger buns have wheat. So why can't I add some flour to our sauce or use breadcrumbs in the zucchini meatballs?! (well, I do - but I feel super guilty afterwards).

If you can get your hands on them, Duck eggs are alkaline (chicken eggs aren't) and would be a good source of healthy fats and calories (not vegan, obviously)

I have tried the spoonful of coconut thing, if he has texture issues or a gag reflex, I wouldn't try it, it might turn him off it forever. Cooking with coconut oil, roasting veggies in coconut oil are good ways of getting some extra in his diet.

Arrowroot is a great alternative for flour as a thickener. Ground flax seeds make a decent substitute for breading.

Honestly, though, it sounds like your hubby should be consulting a naturopath or natural foods based dietician. If he is getting everything off the internet (as I sit here and write on the internet) with all the conflicting general info out there, he might be adding way more stress to both your lives then he needs to.

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« Reply #1349 on: April 14, 2016, 10:48:43 AM »
If you can get your hands on them, Duck eggs are alkaline (chicken eggs aren't) and would be a good source of healthy fats and calories (not vegan, obviously)

I have tried the spoonful of coconut thing, if he has texture issues or a gag reflex, I wouldn't try it, it might turn him off it forever. Cooking with coconut oil, roasting veggies in coconut oil are good ways of getting some extra in his diet.

Arrowroot is a great alternative for flour as a thickener. Ground flax seeds make a decent substitute for breading.

Honestly, though, it sounds like your hubby should be consulting a naturopath or natural foods based dietician. If he is getting everything off the internet (as I sit here and write on the internet) with all the conflicting general info out there, he might be adding way more stress to both your lives then he needs to.

Hmm...I'll have to see if we can get duck eggs. He limited eggs for a long time (because of the alkaline issue) but recently started eating a lot of eggs to increase protein and calories. It's one of the few foods he has been craving. Love the suggestions of arrowroot and ground flax seeds!

And yes, he went to see a local naturopathic doctor. Got a list of supplements an arms length long. I joke that we have a whole pharmacy on our kitchen counter! But yes, lots of conflicting info out there which I find annoying. My mother is just as bad and keeps texting more do eats/don't eats. UGH.

All that said, I'm mostly just being a complainypants. All the suggestions so far has been super helpful and I know we can do this. I just hit this mental block. He has chosen what he feels comfortable with and I'm fine with doing all I can to support him. What I think I will do is make a list of recipes and tell him to pick out the ones he is in the mood for. Tonight I am making lettuce wraps using black bean burgers we have in the freezer. I will crumble them and cook them up in coconut oil, maybe add some curry powder.  At least it's simple.

Gave up on healthy food for the kids tonight though. I don't have time to cook so DH will just boil up some pasta and give it to them with jarred sauce. He's been asking for healthier meals for them and for them to cut down on their sugar intake. I told him - I get it....but I just don't have the brain energy to handle anymore new meals. My focus now is on his diet and my diet. I'll figure out how to trick the kids into eating healthier a few months from now. This healthy thing sure gets draining sometimes.