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« Reply #100 on: September 22, 2015, 08:15:35 AM »
Bummer for having to start again, but YAY! for unexpected time with your wife!

How is everyone else doing? Liz? jat9449? Eirene? Naomi? Dulcimina? Bob W?

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« Reply #101 on: September 22, 2015, 11:55:59 AM »
I'm on Day 4 and have a slight headache {probably the adjustment to no sugar} but powering through it because I know it will be gone in a day or two!  One of the main reasons I'm doing a Whole30 again is to see if any types of food trigger my allergies and asthma. Right now my asthma is about the same, but allergies have been under control! Which is really amazing to me, because usually this time of year they are awful -- they were last week, for sure. I'm in the Southern USA too, which is usually medium-high on the pollen chart!

I'm not going to lie, I wouldn't mind dropping a few pounds in the process of the Whole30, but it's not my main motivation for doing it.

Sailor Sam -- Glad you got to see your wife, worth it for sure! And now you have two months to concentrate on the Whole30!
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« Reply #102 on: September 22, 2015, 01:41:49 PM »
Hi Swick, this:
Well!

I will be starting over. M :(

It's like everything went a wee bit wrong.  The vegetables esp. raw veggies upset my digestive system; this never went away in two weeks.  I'm not sure the balsamic vinegar I was using was allowed because it has caramel color. The TJ sausages I ate the first week were OK so I didn't read the fine print on a different flavored TJ sausage the second week.  I just checked and the apple sausage contains added sugar.  I made a flatbread - sweet potatoes, cassava flour, coconut oil and salt - then I felt guilty about eating it.

I am angry. I am used to eating a restrictive diet for specific health reasons.  But with this challenge, I feel like I'm trying to favor compliance over eating in a way that I know makes me look/feel/perform better. So, I'm starting over, modifying so that I don't feel so sick all the time. I'll check in here more often as well

Today's menu:
Breakfast: roasted beet/strawberry/banana smoothie
Lunch: shepherd's pie (topping was yuca mashed with bone broth and coconut oil)
Dinner: cod soup.  I'll replace the rice noodles with zucchini zoodles

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« Reply #103 on: September 22, 2015, 02:28:48 PM »
Well!

I will be starting over. My wife had some unexpected free time, and came to visit me Fri-Mon. I haven't seen her since April, and I wasn't about to make our limited time more complicated through food restrictions. So I had sushi, and beer, and french fries. Glorious!

Since April!  WOW....that would be so tough. Time with your wife trumps Whole30 any day!  I'm happy you got to spend time with her. Heck, why didn't you have some dessert too?  :-)

I would say I'm in a medium COL area.  My cabbage (large) was 3.99, which I thought was high, but I guess not.  :-) Luckily my parents aren't too far away and they have a large garden. They share a lot with me and the boys, which we love.  My boys want a garden so bad, but that's a little hard living in town.  Next year I want to do more pots. We did tomatoes in pots this year, and they did really well. 

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« Reply #104 on: September 23, 2015, 06:14:24 AM »
Day 1 of my business trip, DONE!  And successful.  I ate supper in the airport last night, and I couldn't believe how hard it was to get just a plain steak and baked potato.  Steaks...marinated in who knows what...no can do.  Potatoes....deep fried in soy oil....ummm, NO!  Finally ordered a buffalo strip steak (less the sweat glaze), and they swapped out the potatoes for double veggies. I made sure they knew my restrictions, and they were actually very nice about it. Steak, green beans and salad with lemon and olive oil.  It was ok, but not the steak I've been craving.

Today is going to be the tough day.  Breakfast is free at the hotel, so that should be easy with hard boiled eggs, banana, and raw almonds. I have the almonds in my bag for later, and I'll snag a banana to take with.  Lunch will be interesting.  We'll see how it goes. I also told myself that it's not the end of the world if I go a little hungry for ONE day.  Supper can be a magnificent steak or salmon with hopefully a baked potato.

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« Reply #105 on: September 23, 2015, 07:30:48 AM »
Awesome Job, Mom22boys!!! Totally impressed!

The only travel/socializing we have done so far is to my parents house and my mom was excited to experiment and feed us something we could eat. We are opting out of a buffet breakfast for another family member's birthday and will meet up with everyone after breakfast. Thought it would be way to hard at a buffet to figure out what we could eat, and it would certainly not be worth the expense (not like you really get to visit at something like that anyways)

This morning, 2:00am-ish I work up with what I would call my fybro flare-up on Steroids. I haven't been in this much pain in a long, long time. It popped into my head that maybe I didn't eat enough during the day. Not a connection I have ever considered before but I went with it. Got up and and a spoonful of almond butter mixed with a couple of spoonfuls of coconut oil. Then had a banana becuase I couldn't find my magneseum supplements. Got back to sleep a couple hours later (ususally it's an all-day thing) so that's a win. Unfortunalty I had to get up at 5:00. Going back to bed right after my scheduled client call this morning. If this is Tiger blood, I feel like a drown kitten!

How are y'all doing today?


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« Reply #106 on: September 23, 2015, 11:36:56 AM »
So far so good.  I got home late last night and finished off some baked chicken thighs last rather than wait for soup.  I made some egg muffins with ground turkey, red bell pepper and baby spinach. I had a couple for breakfast this morning with a few cubes of fried pork belly.  It's 1:30 and I'm just at the point where I'm wondering if I should break for lunch (shepherd's pie).  Since I'm not really hungry, I'll take a 10 min walk to enjoy the gorgeous weather, but wait a bit longer to eat.

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« Reply #107 on: September 23, 2015, 01:09:12 PM »
I hope you are feeling better today swick!

Dulcimina ~ Today was like for me too. Not very hungry for lunch at all! I put some coconut milk in my coffee this morning and I think that kept me   full for longer than I thought it would.

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« Reply #108 on: September 23, 2015, 10:48:12 PM »
Hi all, I have loved reading this thread with your highs and lows. I have just discovered Whole30 and have done a few weeks on and off but struggled to stick with it. I developed the same weird metallic taste in my mouth that I had when pregnant (and I'm not). Any ideas what that could be? I do love the feeling of stable blood sugar as I have always been on a bit of a sugar rollercoaster. Have some weight and belly chub to lose and have just started allergy season in New Zealand and I want to be unmedicated for a change. I've always suspected I have a dairy allergy so this will be a good test. Won't be easy as I'm visiting my parents with the kids for the school holidays but they've read Wheatbelly so have some grasp of the concept. Was tempted to say I'd start after the holidays but there can always be an excuse not to start. So fuck it, I'm just going to start now.

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« Reply #109 on: September 23, 2015, 10:53:06 PM »
Thanks Liz,

I had a 5 or so hour nap, not sure what that is going to do to my system :S

KiwiSonya - Awesome that you are joining us! One thing I would consider before starting and having a holiday at the same time -  we found it takes a whole lot more thought, meal planning and even prep work than we are use to. I would find it almost impossible if we tried to do it on holidays!

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« Reply #110 on: September 24, 2015, 09:16:57 AM »
Hi all, I have loved reading this thread with your highs and lows. I have just discovered Whole30 and have done a few weeks on and off but struggled to stick with it. I developed the same weird metallic taste in my mouth that I had when pregnant (and I'm not). Any ideas what that could be? I do love the feeling of stable blood sugar as I have always been on a bit of a sugar rollercoaster. Have some weight and belly chub to lose and have just started allergy season in New Zealand and I want to be unmedicated for a change. I've always suspected I have a dairy allergy so this will be a good test. Won't be easy as I'm visiting my parents with the kids for the school holidays but they've read Wheatbelly so have some grasp of the concept. Was tempted to say I'd start after the holidays but there can always be an excuse not to start. So fuck it, I'm just going to start now.

Hi from a fellow seasonal allergy sufferer! I'm glad you mentioned the metallic taste in your mouth because I had the same thing for the first couple of days. I didn't really think about it until now! It went away a few days ago. I wonder if it was an imbalance of some kind? Maybe stress?

I've already noticed that taking cheese out has helped my allergies immensely. I did have a flair up last night (kept waking up with a runny nose) and I am hoping it is just the rest of the bad junk getting out of my system. Unfortunately I was eating pretty poorly right before I started my Whole30, and I am paying for it with the headaches I am getting at night. I am starting to feel great during the days though! On Day 6 today!

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« Reply #111 on: September 24, 2015, 10:47:58 AM »
Could the metallic taste be from ketosis?

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« Reply #112 on: September 24, 2015, 11:38:05 AM »
Today is certainly off to a better start then yesterday.

Hubby is still really, really struggling with energy levels. He has been firmly in the day 6-7 stage (I just want a napÖ) since Monday. He is getting his regular amount of sleep but he is waking up tired, struggling all day at work and then basically being a zombie when he comes home. I'm not sure what to do, and if anyone has any suggestions that would be great! Given we are on day 17, I'm getting a little concerned.

I was sick for a couple of weeks coming into this, so I expect my results to not be quite as quick...but it seems like Hubs is not only not seeing any improvements, things are worse than normal. Awfully hard to keep him motivated when he is struggling this much.

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« Reply #113 on: September 24, 2015, 02:02:21 PM »
Hey Swick, bummer your husband is struggling so hard. I'd suggest having him track his macronutrient ratios (protein, carbohydrates, fat) for 2-3 days. According to my research, people can fall into a triangle of misery on paleo-type diets. Where protein/carbs are juuuuust high enough to keep someone out of ketosis, but not high enough to provide the glycogen needed for normal energy flow.

If he's not enthused about tracking things, just eat a potato. If he feels better, then add some carbs.

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« Reply #114 on: September 24, 2015, 03:04:20 PM »
Hey Swick, bummer your husband is struggling so hard. I'd suggest having him track his macronutrient ratios (protein, carbohydrates, fat) for 2-3 days. According to my research, people can fall into a triangle of misery on paleo-type diets. Where protein/carbs are juuuuust high enough to keep someone out of ketosis, but not high enough to provide the glycogen needed for normal energy flow.

If he's not enthused about tracking things, just eat a potato. If he feels better, then add some carbs.

Thanks Sailor Sam, Hubs ALWAYS feels better after he gets potato in him :D I think it is at least 1/2 psychological as he is rather fond of Potatoes.  So it sounds like what you are saying is he's teetering on keto but not quite there, and not getting the glucose he needs for normal functioning. That makes sense. So it looks like we have to pick a direction, eh? I don't think He'd hold up to not being able to have the potatoes and fruit he'd have to cut out to cross over. I think the whole 30 is a a big enough shift int he first place to start with.

Is there a way to kinda "test out" Keto? Try it for just a while to see? Or does it harm your body to go back and forth? I did some research, but I didn't find anything on that specifically.

P.S. I love this community, and this little support group we have going. You all ROCK!

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« Reply #115 on: September 24, 2015, 03:14:43 PM »
Back home!  Yipppeeee!  I have to say....traveling while on Whole30 is super tough, unless you can take most of your food with you (which I didn't). I'm happy to report that I DID IT! Stayed on plan. Yesterday I was able to find eggs and a banana for breakfast. Lunch at the customer site was catered in sandwiches and salads.  I couldn't eat any of it, since it was all covered in mayos/dressings. So, luckily it was very informal, so I ate my banana and almonds, but no protein. My coworker didn't even realize I didn't eat until I told her at supper, so I was pretty stealth with it.  :-)  For supper I had a good steak (again), salad, and baked potato. The restaurant was very helpful and the service was great. This morning, I couldn't find any protein at the airport, so once again I had almonds and a banana and apple. Luckily I was able to find a hard boiled egg, and compliant chicken at the next airport.

Welcome KiwiSonya!  I've also had the metallic taste in my mouth for about a week.  I figured it was ketosis, at least that's what I'm hoping. :-)

SailorSam - Yes, can you explain the whole carb/protein balancing a little more?  Swick - What do you mean by 'pick a direction'?  Just meaning that more potatoes would mean hubs wouldn't be in keto? Other than weight lose, is there really a benefit for being in keto? I'm read a little in this area, but I have to admit, I don't understand a lot of it.

I should also add that there are some people who also just can't completely cut out some of these foods. My sister in law did the Whole30 a couple years ago, and if I remember right, her blood pressure dropped due to some issue she's had with her thyroid. So her doctor told her to NOT do the whole30 any more.  She is gluten intolerance though, so she does portions of it, just not all the food groups. I think her situation is pretty rare, but it's always important to remember that we aren't all the same, and some people react different than others.

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« Reply #116 on: September 24, 2015, 03:44:05 PM »
Thanks for the welcome. Glad I'm not the only one with the metallic taste.  If it's ketosis then that's good right? Started my day with stirfry of ground beef and vege. I actually really enjoy meat and vege and have decided I prefer it to standard fare. Have a banana in my bag for the plane and my parents are 5 mins walk from a supermarket so hopefully I will be able to secure appropriate provisions. Hopefully holiday time will be less rushing around and more time to prep meals so am optimistic I can do it.

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« Reply #117 on: September 24, 2015, 03:54:40 PM »
YAY AWESOME JOB!!! *Super high five!!!*
YOU DID IT!!!! (can you tell I'm uber impressed?) So glad you were able to stick with it. Sounds like there were some challenges, but you managed to overcome them!

SailorSam - Yes, can you explain the whole carb/protein balancing a little more?  Swick - What do you mean by 'pick a direction'?  Just meaning that more potatoes would mean hubs wouldn't be in keto? Other than weight lose, is there really a benefit for being in keto? I'm read a little in this area, but I have to admit, I don't understand a lot of it.

That's kinda what I was thinking and meant when I said "pick a direction" to go into Keto or not..I'm pretty fuzzy about it as well. There is A LOT of conflicting info.  Hubby does need to lose some weight so it is worth exploring.


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« Reply #118 on: September 24, 2015, 06:49:13 PM »
I never thought about metallic mouth = ketosis, but that definitely makes sense!

Congrats mom22boys!!! It sounds like you did awesome while traveling, which is one of the hardest parts about the Whole 30 to me!

I hit the "tired" phase this evening -- had a major headache so I laid down for a little bit and ended up napping for two hours!

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« Reply #119 on: September 24, 2015, 07:05:00 PM »
SailorSam - Yes, can you explain the whole carb/protein balancing a little more? 

Well, Iím not in any way an expert, but I do find this stuff interesting. General caveats about not being a chemist.

Here are a few givens:

1. Our cells need energy in order to contract. Important!
2. The energy packet they prefer (like Pandas prefer bamboo) is ATP
3. BUT cells can only store ~3 seconds worth of ATP inside themselves

Shit! My heart is only going to keep beating for 3 seconds!? Fear not BECAUSE our muscles can store a complex carbohydrate called glycogen.

1. Glycogen is actually a bunch of glucose molecules hooked together
2. Our cells can take a glycogen molecule, and break it back into a glucose molecule
3. Once the cell has glucose, it can break the glucose molecule into ATP

Cells have 2 different recipes for making ATP. One needs oxygen (aerobic), and one doesnít (anaerobic). This point isnít important right now, but it is fascinating!

BUT where does the muscleís glycogen come from? The magic liver!

1. The major building blocks of all the food we eat are protein molecules, fat molecules, and carbohydrate molecules.
2. When protein and carbohydrates are digested, one of the results is glucose
2.1 Carbohydrades convert easily, protein less easily.
3. This glucose enters the blood stream through magic I don't really understand. It just does, okay?
4. The liver takes the glucose from the bloodstream, and squishes the glucose together to make a glycogen
5. If cells in the body start to get low on glycogen, the liver will convert glycogen back to glucose and send it out via the bloodstream.
6. The cells get glucose, which can be made into ATP, which keeps your heart beating, etc


In the above system, the main driver of energy is glucose, which comes from carbohydrate molecules. The process is called glycogenesis, and our bodies really like to exist in that energy state.

BUT what if the body doesnít take in enough carbohydrate molecules to keep all the cells full of energy?

1. First the cells, then the muscles, then the liver gets depleted of glycogen.
2. Once that happens, a back up energy system comes on line.
3. Instead of using glucose to make ATP, the backup system uses fatty acids to produce ATP.
4. While in Ďbackupí the liver takes fat molecules, and turns them into something called ketone bodies
5. Iím a shaky on the conversions, so donít ask, OKAY?
6. The liver sends the ketone bodies into the bloodstream, the cells snarf them up, and make ATP. Your heart keeps beating

Moral of story: if you stop eating enough carbohydrates, the muscles and liver runs out of glycogen. The liver shifts over to metabolizing fat.

The plot twist(!), the liver doesnít really like to burn fat. It will try to limp along making glucose with minimal carbohydrates. Protein can also be used to make glucose, so if you eat enough protein even in the absence of carbs, you may stay in glycogenesis. 

1. When glycogen shortage happens, the liver prioritizes the important organs, shorting the muscles and sometimes the brain
2. WHICH MEANS, carb levels that are below ideal energy but still above switching to ketosis make you tired, angry, hungry, exhausted, etc. If you've ever experienced an exercise 'bonk' then you know glycogen depletion. It's not a happy place. 

That was hard. Anyone still reading?

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« Reply #120 on: September 25, 2015, 11:00:01 AM »
2. WHICH MEANS, carb levels that are below ideal energy but still above switching to ketosis make you tired, angry, hungry, exhausted, etc. If you've ever experienced an exercise 'bonk' then you know glycogen depletion. It's not a happy place. 

That was hard. Anyone still reading?

Thank you Sailor Sam!  I did read the whole thing, and I agree that it's pretty fascinating!  The one that really caught my attention was your last point, with kinda being in the middle of the switch.  I've also been struggling with being tired over the last week, and this really helps me understand the WHY behind it.  I've been sleeping like a rock at night, so I've been a little baffled why I feel so tired. Just shows that I need to experiment a little bit with what foods I'm eating, and then how it impacts my tired/awake feeling.

SailorSam - Weren't you the poster on another thread that talked about experimenting with your body weight and that you had as much of a weight difference of like 20+ pounds from one day to another? I think you've got a good handle on how your body works.  :-) 

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« Reply #121 on: September 25, 2015, 01:48:23 PM »
Thanks for that great explanation,  Sailor Sam. Isn't the body such a complex and amazing system.  You guys were right that holiday Whole30 isn't going to be easy. I'm committed to doing my very best but can see that 100 percent compliance is going to put me offside with my family. My Mum bought out the Everything in moderation line as she offered me specially baked ginger biscuits - argh! How is cereal for breakfast,  sandwiches for lunch and burgers for dinner moderation? I didn't eat the biscuit offered on the plane, ate the filling of a bacon and egg pie and plain salad for lunch and had burger contents minus bun for dinner. Happily went 6 hours between breakfast and lunch which never would happen usually without hangry setting in. But didn't eat enough for lunch so needed afternoon nut and fruit snack. So I caved on a small guilt biscuit but otherwise did alright. Feeling great and like my body is changing if that makes any sense.  Woke up this morning with what feels like bad breath and the metallic taste so something's happening. Going to have eggs for breakfast and will take salad and leftover burger patties with me on our picnic lunch to the beach as my sister is making pizzas to take (more of that grain moderation!).

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« Reply #122 on: September 26, 2015, 01:34:03 PM »
Holidays still proving problematic,  this will have to be my prelude to whole30 but I'm doing the best I can. Woke up with some big acne spots that hurt on my neck - guess that could be hormones and getting rid of toxins.  Yesterday's slip up was deep fried fish and chips (a kiwi favorite). I noticed it was fried in beef tallow which I guess is better than vege oil but certainly not whole30 compliant. I woke up this morning with slight metallic taste in mouth and noticed to my surprise that I was breathing through my nose. As a lifetime mouth breather this was a bit of a shock,  perhaps keeping away from dairy will fix that and my allergies. Had a headache at bedtime last night but otherwise feeling good.  Hope everything good with the rest of you. Sonya

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« Reply #123 on: September 26, 2015, 02:20:03 PM »
How is everyone else doing? Liz? jat9449? Eirene? Naomi? Dulcimina? Bob W?

Alive and kicking. Had a few tough days with eating out at places I didn't pick. The first was a roadside barbecue shack. No idea what was in the sauce but the meat was more smoked than smothered in sauce so I think I'm mostly OK. The rice and beans that came with the brisket are in the freezer :)

The other was a hibachi place (everything comes with teriyaki which is soy which is a no-no). So I had sashimi without the rice. My downfall was the salad - stupidly didn't ask for the dressing on the side and even more stupidly ate the thing. The carrot-ginger dressing is bound to have had sugar in it.

Anyway, since I feel great on the whole 30 I decided to start counting from the beginning and to round it up - staying on the plan until the end of October :)

Also, I finally made mayonnaise that turned out well. Quite chuffed with the results...

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« Reply #124 on: September 26, 2015, 02:52:37 PM »
Holidays still proving problematic,  this will have to be my prelude to whole30 but I'm doing the best I can. Woke up with some big acne spots that hurt on my neck - guess that could be hormones and getting rid of toxins.  Yesterday's slip up was deep fried fish and chips (a kiwi favorite). I noticed it was fried in beef tallow which I guess is better than vege oil but certainly not whole30 compliant. I woke up this morning with slight metallic taste in mouth and noticed to my surprise that I was breathing through my nose. As a lifetime mouth breather this was a bit of a shock,  perhaps keeping away from dairy will fix that and my allergies. Had a headache at bedtime last night but otherwise feeling good.  Hope everything good with the rest of you. Sonya

Funny you posted this, earlier this morning I was reading an article about nose breathing exercises for asthmatics and allergy sufferers. I've noticed my allergies are under control during the day, but still not that great at night (when laying down). I might try a neti pot again.

Day 8 here..plugging along!


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« Reply #125 on: September 26, 2015, 07:07:27 PM »
So awesome to hear how everyone is doing!

Thanks for the riveting explanation Sailor Sam, found it very helpful! Are you back on the boat with us? I'm curious how you felt aftwr your couple day break? Any affects? Was it easy to pick up again?

So, last night I had a bit of a slip. Decided to make Nom Nom Paleo's Kahlua pork since I keep hearing everyone rave about it. Ran out of complaint bacon so I figured I'd use a bit of liquid smoke. I've been buying the same brand FOR YEARS because there are no additives or flavoring crap in it. Opened a new bottle and dropped a drop into my mouth to see how strong it was and wouldn't you know, it tasted SWEET. Guess they started putting molasses (and other stuff) in it. So I didn't use it, used some smoked Paprika instead. Was just pissed off that I have been so careful and was doing so good and a damn drop of liquid smoke was my undoing. Not going to stress it and not going to start again, but it is a good reminder to never assume.


Oh the pork...soooo good! Hubby was a very happy camper :D

I've been a life-long mouth breather too, and have been breathing through my nose easily for the past week or so, Didn't really think about it until KiwiSonya mentioned it....



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« Reply #126 on: September 26, 2015, 08:50:37 PM »
Don't beat yourself up over a bit of sauce, Swick. I'm sure we are all doing great things for our bodies by just making honest efforts. I ate more ground beef and vege for meal 1 and was surprised to not get hungry until 3pm and even then I didn't want much. Am definitely feeling trimmer and can bend sideways without rolls forming around my middle.  Interesting that others are noticing the nose breathing. I was once told that mouth breathing is bad for you but thought that was just the way I was made. I'm feeling highly attuned to my body and it's nice to think I could be rid of some niggling things that I always imagined I'd be stuck with. Great to have you guys to talk to. Think my family are already sick of the subject so I'll shut up now, but I can see they are curiously watching me.

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« Reply #127 on: September 27, 2015, 01:43:39 PM »
Thanks for the check in, Swick. I am back on board, but I'm finding it really difficult. I'm full of angst and resentment. This morning I stood in front of the donut case at the grocery store and raged at the universe. I'm in full on tantrum mode. I'm sure I'll get over it, but daum, poor me.

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« Reply #128 on: September 28, 2015, 01:59:30 AM »
Hoping you're over the tantrum, Sailor-Sam. My 3 year old did a similar thing at the supermarket today - you should have thrown yourself to the ground and screamed 'but I really want it!!' like he did as it was over quite quickly when I walked away and pretended he was someone else's brat. End of Day 5 now and last couple of days have gone quite swimmingly.  Belt has gone in a notch and I'm feeling good and suprised how easy it has been to say no to the treats. I figure that being out of my usual routine while on holiday has been helpful in many ways. Hope everyone else is going okay.

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« Reply #129 on: September 28, 2015, 08:25:10 AM »
Thanks for the check in, Swick. I am back on board, but I'm finding it really difficult. I'm full of angst and resentment. This morning I stood in front of the donut case at the grocery store and raged at the universe. I'm in full on tantrum mode. I'm sure I'll get over it, but daum, poor me.
Aww it will get better! The angst and resentment at watching a family member devour a whip cream filled, chocolate dipped cream-puff yesterday - then lick his fingers! aaalllmost resulted in actions on my part that would definitely be unsavory and not very sweet.

Great to hear thinks are going well, KiwiSonya! Maybe the holiday is enough of a pattern interrupt that you are able to develop some new habits!

Hubs still struggled all weekend. Last night during on of our philosophical discussions - after hubs had gotten up from laying down again with a headache (he never gets 'em) He decided he wanted to weigh himself. He's an engineer and needs data to make sense of things.

Now, scales aren't an issue for us. I made him get on before the start of the whole 30 and it had probably been at least a year before that. His reasoning was he is okay and can accept the feeling like shit if it is because his body is changing  and starting to use up some of the fat - but if he is this tired and crappy feeling and that isn't the reason, he needs to reevaluate what his body is doing because he is bloody miserable.

Turns out he has lost 5 lbs. We have both been too damn tired so haven't really increased activity levels at all, nightly walks with our pup is about all we have been managing so it is the result of diet changes alone. I can see his cloths are fitting differently, but the hard number confirmed for him that things are happening. It was like a switch went off, he got his second wind, at least mentally :)

One thing we realized is while we moved away from a super toxic town/environment in Dec of last year, we unconsciously took a lot of our eating habits with us. So we have been chatting about those and really digging into the "why" behind all the habits we have developed.

One thing we were guilty of is going and grabbing Subway for supper as we had 4-5 nights a week where we had about 1/2 an hour between hubby getting off of work and having to run out to a community event or meeting. I would say we probably did this about 4 times a month. So I pulled up the nutritional info (Subway doesn't make it easy!) and realized that hubby's usual meal was 1750 calories!! YIKES!! it was the LEAST HEALTHY of all the fast food meals that usually tempt us on those nights we are too busy to cook. Now we have re-structured our lives since moving so I work from home and we haven't gotten super-involved in our community, so we have time to make good food at home - that is a start.  Been very interesting to see what conversations and ideas crop up :)

How is everyone else doing?

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« Reply #130 on: September 28, 2015, 11:14:24 AM »
Oh the pork...soooo good! Hubby was a very happy camper :D

Agree!  That pork is divine! I'm eating some yummy Moroccan meatballs right now, and they are so good also. Next time, I think I'm going to braise my cabbage right in with the meatballs.  Kinda like pigs in the blanket. 

Swick - Glad your hubby is seeing some weight loss.  That does help make it worth the effort. I have about 50 lb to lose, so that's obviously one of my largest goals with this process. But it really is so much more, as I've learned over the course of doing this for 2 times. This time around I didn't even weight myself first, but I can tell a big difference and it definitely feels great to have people comment about my appearance.

This process has definitely helped me rethink what foods I can and cannot live without.  Also, it's helped me recognize my patterns of eating, and how much of that has come from my parent's poor eating habits. It's not something I want to pass to my kids. There has to be a balance, which is something I'm still struggling with, but it's getting easier every day. I want my boys to know that it's ok to have a chocolate chip cookie sometimes.  I don't want to be legalistic about it.  But....I also want to make sure they understand that fruit is also a great alternative and can be just as yummy.  Breaking eating habits of 40 years is not easy.  :-)

One cool thing is that I finally got my parents to do the Whole30 too. They are almost done with week 3, and shockingly haven't cheated.  I just hope they can continue with these better habits.


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« Reply #131 on: September 28, 2015, 01:07:38 PM »
We're doing well!

My girlfriend was out of town this weekend for business (travelling showdog photographer, yes you read that correctly).  For the first time ever on one of those trips, they ate only food brought with her, and she brought enough food for the friend she was traveling with (the key to them actually not going to any restaurants).  She brought leftover meatballs, curried pork with vegetables, fresh fruit, beef sticks (Whole30 compliant) and some carrot cake Larabars.  She and her friend both felt great the whole weekend.  We also got her friend a quart of pasture-raised lard for her birthday (most people would NOT appreciate such a gift!).

Myself this weekend?  I'm a weirdly unpicky guy with food, and I was busy working on my car this weekend while the lady was out of town, so my meals consisted of strange things like (my Saturday) a big portion of randomly-spiced pan-fried ground pork with nothing else for breakfast, an entire bunch of bananas for lunch, raw spinach and raw cashews while in the car driving to Autozone, and an apple later.  Whatever's around, whatever's convenient.

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« Reply #132 on: September 28, 2015, 01:28:43 PM »
Ah! Just realized I wasn't getting notifications. So I missed about 30 posts. I'm on day 14 (almost half-way)!! I feel pretty stinking awesome, but I still have major sugar cravings. Probably because of my extreme love for peanut butter M&Ms. I know, I know. I probably shouldn't even talk about them.

I noticed this weekend while the baby was napping, I found myself perusing the kitchen every 15 minutes just "looking". I wasn't even hungry, just really bored. Could've also been because the hubs was baking Italian Bread in his bread machine. Yeah, he's evil ... Looking forward to more Tiger's Blood!

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Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
« Reply #133 on: September 28, 2015, 03:39:18 PM »
Ah! Just realized I wasn't getting notifications. So I missed about 30 posts. I'm on day 14 (almost half-way)!! I feel pretty stinking awesome, but I still have major sugar cravings. Probably because of my extreme love for peanut butter M&Ms. I know, I know. I probably shouldn't even talk about them.

I noticed this weekend while the baby was napping, I found myself perusing the kitchen every 15 minutes just "looking". I wasn't even hungry, just really bored. Could've also been because the hubs was baking Italian Bread in his bread machine. Yeah, he's evil ... Looking forward to more Tiger's Blood!

Congrats on being on Day 14! Day 10 here....l like counting up the days {not counting down!}, as a reminder of the streak we all have going on! I finally made it past the headache stage. I'm still not sleeping as good as I would like to be, but that is 100% allergy related. I can also tell my clothes are fitting a little better, which is always a plus!

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« Reply #134 on: September 28, 2015, 09:05:32 PM »
Hello Whole30'ers - Keto brother here. Congrats to all of you who are hacking your diet to find your way to a new life! Stick with it, fight the good fight, the returns are worth it!

You are starting your quest at a difficult time of year: End of summer, beginning of fall. I call this the start of the Season of Insanity: food vendors, starting with Halloween and continuing on through Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, Valentine's Day then wrapping up with Easter, will be shoving HFCS's, sugars and lactose, all embedded in chocolate, at you as hard as they can. (Don't believe me? Count the number of displays of OREOs in Wal-Mart after Halloween. You should see somewhere between 3 and 5 end caps dedicated to them.)

ON top of that, as winter comes on, your body will begin to want to lay in some fat and you'll begin craving shitty, useless "comfort foods". Warm breads, fried potatoes, corn products and almost anything with gluten in it.

And of course, don't forget the State Fairs that started in August (Hello Minnesotans!) and will run almost to Christmas. Damn the fried potatoes, ice cream and funnel cakes.

I say this not to paint a hopeless picture, but to offer strategies that can make you successful - you just need to be aware that there are forces out there actively working against you to sell you crap your body does not need or want.

So, some strategies:
- Be aware of the game-playing. Get mad and don't take it any more. Dig in your heels and be subversive. This works well if you are stubborn by nature.
- Just like Pete/MMM tells us NEVER SHOP, likewise, never go into a store unless you have eaten ahead of time (the proper food) and have a very specific list of what you are there for. Buy that stuff then get the hell out.
- Assemble some great compliant recipes that you love and PREFER to the crapfoods. Sources? ruled.me and ibreatheimhungry.com are two goto websites for me. They have a very-lo-carb zero-gluten pizza that will blow your freaking mind.
- The Crock Pot is your friend. You can make magic food in it that's waiting for you when you get home. If you've never experienced crockpot joy, you don't know what you are missing - to walk in the door from a long day at work to a place smelling rich and beautiful with food in a crock pot is a joy.
- Water is not your friend - water is your DAMNED AWESOME FRIEND THAT WILL SAVE YOUR ASS. Whatever you need to do to drink more and more of it, DO IT: add lemon, add lime (I do that), add whatever will make you drink it that's allowed.
- Sleep. Sleep as much as you need to, preferably cuddling with your favorite SO.
- Stay away from anything chocolate toward bedtime, it'll give you reflux
- We are subversives. Just like the world doesn't get frugalism/MMM, they won't get your diet either. Fuck them, be the subversive you were meant to be.

Fight. Fight for your health, and just remember one thing:

Why Keto? Because Bacon!

Best of success to you all. I now return you to your regular Whole30 program in progress. :-)
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« Reply #135 on: September 28, 2015, 11:02:00 PM »
Thanks for the support and useful pointers Mefla. I guess I'm lucky to be in spring in New Zealand but the holiday season looms large too. Apparently they have worked out that Kiwis gain a kilogram or so over the Christmas holidays and never lose it so as a nation we are getting fatter and fatter. I'm feeling awesome and at this point don't want to go back to my old diet - but still plenty of time to finish my 30.

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« Reply #136 on: September 29, 2015, 07:56:27 AM »
Yay for updates!

Mom22boys - so awesome that you are getting your parents on board! I'm pretty sure my mom will give it a go - not sure about my dad. He works outside in the snow and has a hugely physical job so I think keeping him fed and able to work through some of the transition would be really tough.

It is quite interesting to look at where we got a lot of our habits and food patterns from. So many are inherited from our parents! They are also the hardest patterns to break!

Ketchup - Traveling dog show photographer!? My first thought was sweet! how do I sign up for that! My second thought was...hmmm that would mean dealing with the humans too...errr...no thanks! It's great that your Gf was able to take her own food with her and get her friend involved!

I think the idea of giving/getting some pastured lard as a birthday gift is awesome!

Jat9449 - Glad you found us again! Sometimes the notifications can be a little flaky. Glad to hear you are doing well and feeling awesome! I can't imagine doing this without my husband doing it with me, pretty sure I would have had my head stuck in the bread machine and been chowing down on that bread :)  WAY TO GO!

Liz - I never thought about it, but you are right, counting UP the days does have a major psychological difference, doesn't it! I wonder what else I can apply this to....

Glad to hear you are getting out of the headache stage!

Mefla - What can I say? I love your posts! Always good reminders. I don't know about you guys, but last Halloween, I wasn't even tempted by the candy - well once I opened the bags and smelled it, even the chocolate. Remember back in the day when even Halloween candy had some actual chocolate in the "chocolate" bars?  You know...that might cure anyone who is really tempted by chocolate, have the first piece you eat after the whole 30 one of those fun size chocolate bars, instant cure :)

KiwiSonya - Good to hear you are feeling great :)

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« Reply #137 on: September 29, 2015, 08:07:05 AM »
Hello Whole30'ers - Keto brother here. Congrats to all of you who are hacking your diet to find your way to a new life! Stick with it, fight the good fight, the returns are worth it!

Best of success to you all. I now return you to your regular Whole30 program in progress. :-)

Love this post, and hi from one southeasterner to another!

Speaking of keto, I really enjoy reading the posts in the keto section of reddit for more information and to keep me motivated {even though it's a little different than Whole30/Paleo, a lot of the key components are similar}. The success/progress posts are truly inspiring!

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« Reply #138 on: September 29, 2015, 10:23:01 AM »
Hello Whole30'ers - Keto brother here. Congrats to all of you who are hacking your diet to find your way to a new life! Stick with it, fight the good fight, the returns are worth it!

Fight. Fight for your health, and just remember one thing:

Why Keto? Because Bacon!

Best of success to you all. I now return you to your regular Whole30 program in progress. :-)

I'm not even keto and I'm inspired!!

My update - skipped breakfast.  I'm about to have lunch - eggs, sausage, zucchini cheeze (zucchini, gelatin,nutritional yeast), sauerkraut and mashed cassava. Now to find some water...

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« Reply #139 on: September 29, 2015, 10:51:30 AM »
My update - skipped breakfast.  I'm about to have lunch - eggs, sausage, zucchini cheeze (zucchini, gelatin,nutritional yeast), sauerkraut and mashed cassava. Now to find some water...

Now THAT'S a thing of beauty. That meal will easily get you to dinner without any hunger pangs. Eggs are nature's miracle food!

I keep ducks, I have six girls who give me between 4-6 eggs every day. I make a mean cheese omelet that can almost get me completely from breakfast to dinner without hunger pangs. And I sleep like a baby that night....
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« Reply #140 on: September 29, 2015, 11:02:49 AM »


My update - skipped breakfast.  I'm about to have lunch - eggs, sausage, zucchini cheeze (zucchini, gelatin,nutritional yeast), sauerkraut and mashed cassava. Now to find some water...

*Shudders* Every experiment I have ever tried to make Nutritional yeast taste "cheesy" has ended in abject failure. Is yours any good?

Found a spiralizer at the thrift store and made zucchini noodles with a meat sauce turned out pretty good! Had extra sauce so added some spices and turned it into chili to have over sweet potatoes for lunch. 

Hope everyone is having a great day!

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« Reply #141 on: September 29, 2015, 11:42:48 AM »
- Water is not your friend - water is your DAMNED AWESOME FRIEND THAT WILL SAVE YOUR ASS. Whatever you need to do to drink more and more of it, DO IT: add lemon, add lime (I do that), add whatever will make you drink it that's allowed.
- - We are subversives. Just like the world doesn't get frugalism/MMM, they won't get your diet either. Fuck them, be the subversive you were meant to be.

Fight. Fight for your health, and just remember one thing:

Why Keto? Because Bacon!

Best of success to you all. I now return you to your regular Whole30 program in progress. :-)

Ok Mefla, you got me.  When I read the first part line about water, I immediately was like what the heck!  That's just plain crazy!  Water is AWE.SOME. In fact, water is about the only beverage I drink any more.  And then I kept reading. :-)  I was literally LOL since I thought you were crazy at first.  Thank you for the encouragement and really, really great tips.  As you said, I'm really starting to rethink and question food in general, just like I've been rethinking about my finances. Also, yeah for Bacon...now if I could only find some that is compliant for Whole30.  Well, I guess I could technically start eating some on Thursday (day 31 for me!) since the only bad stuff in the Costco bacon I found was trace sugar....hummm things to think about.

Jat - Welcome back! My sugar cravings haven't been too bad, but they have reared their light head again for me the last week. So far I haven't had an issue saying no, but it does make me realize that I need to NOT add it back after day 30. At least not for a longer period of time.

Ketchup - Yeah for your GF!  That's awesome that she took her food with.  I soooo should have done that on my last work trip.  I had every intention of taking more food with me, but just ran out of time. Live and learn.

Liz - Booo for allergies!  I'm so thankful I don't have any (and I hope I stay that way). My sleep has been great the last 2 weeks, so I'm hoping you get to that point too. Eventually the allergies come to an end, right?

Swick - I think your hubby is rubbing off on me.  I have been just doggin' it for the last 2 weeks. 

Today I seriously feel weak and light headed. I'm thinking that I'm not eating enough, but that's hard because I'm NOT hungry.  Anyone else in the boat with me?  Are you eating more?  I've tried to add more fruit to my daily routine, I'm eating potatoes about twice a week, but still feel drained.  I miss week 1, where I had serious Tiger Blood.  I felt frickin' awesome!  I want that back. 

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Re: Whole-30 Starting Sept 8th. Want to join us?
« Reply #142 on: September 29, 2015, 05:23:55 PM »
Also, yeah for Bacon...now if I could only find some that is compliant for Whole30.  Well, I guess I could technically start eating some on Thursday (day 31 for me!) since the only bad stuff in the Costco bacon I found was trace sugar....hummm things to think about. 

Our local grocery store chain (Publix) sells a brand of bacon called Maverick - no sugar and no nitrites/nitrates. Not particularly expensive either :)

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« Reply #143 on: September 30, 2015, 08:00:22 AM »
*Shudders* Every experiment I have ever tried to make Nutritional yeast taste "cheesy" has ended in abject failure. Is yours any good?

Found a spiralizer at the thrift store and made zucchini noodles with a meat sauce turned out pretty good! Had extra sauce so added some spices and turned it into chili to have over sweet potatoes for lunch. 

Hope everyone is having a great day!

Have you tried NY on roasted cauliflower? I like it, but then again I sort of like nutritional yeast. 

For the cheese, you can also add extra flavor as well- garlic, parsley, jalapeno etc. 

If you are a cheese connoisseur - don't even bother with this. For me, it's a reasonably tasty vehicle for getting zucchini and gelatin in my belly.  For you, it would be SWYPO. 


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« Reply #144 on: September 30, 2015, 08:02:19 AM »
Also, yeah for Bacon...now if I could only find some that is compliant for Whole30.  Well, I guess I could technically start eating some on Thursday (day 31 for me!) since the only bad stuff in the Costco bacon I found was trace sugar....hummm things to think about. 

Our local grocery store chain (Publix) sells a brand of bacon called Maverick - no sugar and no nitrites/nitrates. Not particularly expensive either :)

Or pork belly if you can get it. 

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« Reply #145 on: September 30, 2015, 03:07:43 PM »

Liz - Booo for allergies!  I'm so thankful I don't have any (and I hope I stay that way). My sleep has been great the last 2 weeks, so I'm hoping you get to that point too. Eventually the allergies come to an end, right? 

Today I seriously feel weak and light headed. I'm thinking that I'm not eating enough, but that's hard because I'm NOT hungry.  Anyone else in the boat with me?  Are you eating more?  I've tried to add more fruit to my daily routine, I'm eating potatoes about twice a week, but still feel drained.  I miss week 1, where I had serious Tiger Blood.  I felt frickin' awesome!  I want that back.

How are you feeling today? Better, I hope!! Maybe it was just a one day thing? I'm definitely noticing a small decrease in appetite, and I am liking that I can go longer without feeling hungry {I feel like I was the queen of the grazers before}

I feel like I've always been susceptible to seasonal allergies, and I am in AL where the weather is always changing. I'm tired of having to take OTC medicines and feeling groggy from them. At any rate, I've read success stories where the Whole30 has cured or greatly decreased people's allergies.  But after 12 days, I am still having a stuffy and runny nose {but just at night, which is an improvement}. I bought some quercetin from a natural foods store yesterday. It is supposed to be a natural antihistamine and seemed to help last night. I know there is a low histamine version of the Whole30 which I might try down the road. It just seems pretty restrictive.

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« Reply #146 on: September 30, 2015, 06:32:23 PM »
I feel like I've always been susceptible to seasonal allergies, and I am in AL where the weather is always changing. I'm tired of having to take OTC medicines and feeling groggy from them. At any rate, I've read success stories where the Whole30 has cured or greatly decreased people's allergies.  But after 12 days, I am still having a stuffy and runny nose {but just at night, which is an improvement}. I bought some quercetin from a natural foods store yesterday. It is supposed to be a natural antihistamine and seemed to help last night. I know there is a low histamine version of the Whole30 which I might try down the road. It just seems pretty restrictive.

Keep going Liz, keep going! You should see continuing improvement. My problems faded over a period of about six months into the Keto lifestyle. After a year, mostly gone with the possible exception of the occasional GERD if I ate too late in the day.

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« Reply #147 on: September 30, 2015, 07:26:57 PM »
Today was day 30 for me :)

Feeling great and will keep up going for another 30 days, through October. This is such a great thread I hope you guys don't mind if I keep hanging around here for a "whole 60."

Plan to weigh myself when I get to the grocery store so will report on that when I have the numbers.

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« Reply #148 on: September 30, 2015, 07:36:19 PM »
Anyone know what day it is?  That's right....IT'S DAY 30! Woot, Woot! For those of you (which I think is most of you) still on track, keep up the great work.  It is worth it!

I'm going to keep going, and try to figure out what day to start reintroduction. When I start, I'm going to do 2 days of adding the food group back, and then off again for 5 days.  I think a week at a time will be a better gauge. I'm honestly not even sure if I'll weigh myself tomorrow. I don't even know what my starting weight was.  I'm more about just feeling and looking good, regardless of the number on the scale. I'll see how I feel about it in the morning.

I've felt a little better today, but still tired.  It didn't help that I woke up at 5 am.  :-) Today I purposely tried to eat more food. Not stuffed, but a little more full. I think that did help some.

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« Reply #149 on: September 30, 2015, 08:06:58 PM »
Waving at you from the keto end of the pool. Come on in, the water's great! Bacon!
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