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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #200 on: May 11, 2018, 09:08:09 AM »
Today I found this article about all meat diets. I can't believe people eat like this

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/may/11/the-carnivore-diet-all-meat-health-benefits-dangers

Didn't click on it, but I assume it's part of or similar to the keto craze, which is pure bs.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/2/21/16965122/keto-diet-reset
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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #201 on: May 11, 2018, 09:20:13 AM »
There's been some posts on it in another thread too.

Actually, one of the most fascinating parts of these kind of extreme diets to me is how the followers of just ANY of them (including some vegans) claim that it has solved ALL of their health problems. I'm like, how can completely opposite diets of all sort solve all the same problems?!

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« Reply #202 on: May 11, 2018, 10:16:34 AM »
I'm like, how can completely opposite diets of all sort solve all the same problems?!

Because, for the most part, nearly all diets focus on two things:

1) Eating whole foods / cutting out processed foods
2) Drastically altering your caloric intake (if it's a big change for that individual.  Going from vegetarian to vegan isn't a drastic switch, imo.)

There's a reason that almost no crash diets work in the long term (and that includes keto, according to the article) - work as in dropping weight.

I'm not a medical professional so that's just my observation.  I'm certain I'm probably wrong lol.
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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #203 on: May 11, 2018, 10:35:02 AM »
Today I found this article about all meat diets. I can't believe people eat like this

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/may/11/the-carnivore-diet-all-meat-health-benefits-dangers

Hmm.. Shawn Baker, the guy who got lab work done and found he was low-T, high cholesterol and pre-diabetic? 

https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/8bg19r/here_are_the_blood_test_results_for_the_carnivore/ 

This one made me laugh out loud.

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“Bitcoin is a revolt against fiat [government-backed] money, and an all-meat diet is a revolt against fiat food,” said Michael Goldstein, a “bitcoin and meat maximalist” based in Austin, Texas.

Thanks for sharing. That was disturbing/funny/cringey.
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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #204 on: May 11, 2018, 10:50:49 AM »
Hahaha I'm just watching a video on his blood tests and gosh he's just giving stupid explanation for any of his bad values "Oh it's just high cause I workout a lot..." WTF?!

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« Reply #205 on: May 12, 2018, 12:07:47 AM »
Hahaha I'm just watching a video on his blood tests and gosh he's just giving stupid explanation for any of his bad values "Oh it's just high cause I workout a lot..." WTF?!

Yeah - and look at the picture in that guardian article that DarkandStormy posted. He's riddled with acne. So gross.

That's the kind of human who would repulse me from an entire party if he was holding court. Yuck. Not for the acne - but for the attitude, conspiracy-mindedness and unmerited superior attitude. 
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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #206 on: May 16, 2018, 09:26:00 AM »
Hi M41,   

I just watched a few of your videos and I must say that I did not find the V-cube off-putting at all.  Maybe because I'm a vegan, hah ahahahah.  That was a joke, but there is some truth to that.  Others might be discomforted by the truth of the matter.  My impression of the V-cube is that it is a very modern-art type of street art.  If it does make people uncomfortable, maybe that is the point.

My road to the pure plant based diet came from the health side.  Many of my "numbers" were way up.  I've gotten them down, but it's been a long hard slog. I started as a vegetarian and slowly worked my way toward a completely plant-based diet.  Although I considered myself an animal friend, I now realize how truly horrible the SAD (standard American diet) is to animals.

On the environmental side, I think that we are making progress.  If you ignore the hype and focus on how committed young people are, your activism can only have positive effects.  (I have crazies in my family too -- I just don't talk politics.  Not sure if that is the right approach.)

Edited to add:  Thanks for the recipe! I'm going to try it.

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #208 on: May 21, 2018, 02:18:36 PM »
@DarkandStormy,  In interviews, Dr. Greger definitely cops to being biased. But that doesn't mean he lies or cherry-picks. I often dig into the original studies he cites and they back up his messaging. Even on eggs - I've heard him say it's hard to argue against ever eating them, because some studies show they may be healthy enough to eat one or two a week. But he does call out the studies that are sponsored by the egg board, and skewers their methodologies and discounts their results accordingly.

Before you write him off, do what Marcia - his fierce critic - recommends.  Look up any of the studies he cites - on jstor or other medical repositories, and see for yourself. I've probably done this a dozen times. Unlike Marcia, what i've found is that he represented the conclusions from these studies with fidelity. 

But yeah - he straight up says he's biased toward WFPB and away from animal based diets. For one - he saw his grandmother reverse her own heart disease adopting WFPB and got to enjoy her company for another twenty years. Secondly, he used to head up IIRC the Humane society. So he clearly cares about the welfare of animals.

That all said, yeah - I agree with other commenters in that thread - just because a person is biased doesn't mean they are being disingenuous in their research. Anyway, there's always Dr. garth Davis (I really like his work) and McDougall, Essylsten, Campbell, etc.  They similarly are biased because they've seen so many case studies where people reverse disease with WFPB diets, but they seem to still evaluate scientific evidence with open minds.  So, I wouldn't write Greger off. Just check a few of his sources.
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« Reply #209 on: May 21, 2018, 02:23:47 PM »
I'm not writing Greger off (like MMM is).  MMM dismisses Greger because of his appearance.  Greger is also not a "hardcore vegan activist," imo just because his findings happen to point towards WFPB diet.
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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #210 on: May 21, 2018, 02:34:52 PM »
I'm not writing Greger off (like MMM is).  MMM dismisses Greger because of his appearance.  Greger is also not a "hardcore vegan activist," imo just because his findings happen to point towards WFPB diet.

oh good. When i first came across Greger, I did what I usually do - check out the funding, check sources that he's citing, read some criticisms of him, - just to see if he's presenting himself as something he's not. he passed the M41 sniff test.

As for MMM's reply - I read that as a tounge-with-bad-taste-in-cheek attempt at humor. But whatever. my jokes sometimes fall flat too.
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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #211 on: May 26, 2018, 09:53:26 AM »
I am seeing more evidence of a cultural shift towards plant-based diets. I was reading a magazine yesterday (Shape, if you're curious), and it mentioned quite a few things that were vegan/plant-based, such as replacing sashimi with a type of tomato for the umami aspect, options for plant-based ice cream, evidence of pea protein being equal in quality to whey protein when it comes to building muscle after a work out, and a much higher focus on eating well for your body that wasn't related to eating meat/animal products. I don't read a lot of magazines, but I remember several years ago when even health-focused magazines would include several recipes including meat and didn't mention much about fruit/vegetables unless it was to point out some random study that said something along the lines of fruit having antioxidants and yaddayaddaya, and eating meat and yogurt was normalized. It seems that eating plant-based is reaching a more normalized status in media and popular publications, too, instead of being simply "trendy."  Glad to see that!

Just thought you guys might appreciate this tidbit.

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« Reply #212 on: May 27, 2018, 10:03:24 AM »
I'm a Dr Greger fan, myself.  I don't think he cherry picks data; it's just that the truth is hard to hear for some people. 

I just passed along this interesting tidbit (or dare I say, 'nutrition fact') to someone else on these boards:

https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/alzheimers-disease/

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #213 on: May 27, 2018, 01:14:58 PM »
I just made an awesome vegan brunch dish:

Ingredients:
1/2 lb extra firm tofu
2 medium russet potatoes diced small
2 cups chopped kale (fine chop)
1 oz peanuts ground to powder
2 tsp cooking oil
red chili flakes (to taste)
1/2 tsp onion granules
1 tsp taco seasoning
braggs or salt to taste
1/2 lemon

Boil the potatoes in a small pot of water until somewhat soft.
Mash the tofu and mix in some braggs/salt, half the onion granules, and half the taco seasoning.
In a saute pan, heat the cooking oil on medium heat and add the chili flakes to the oil.
Add the drained potatoes, kale, the rest of the onion granules, the rest of the taco seasoning, and braggs/salt and stir.
Add the tofu mixture and stir.
Add the ground peanut powder and stir. 
Juice the 1/2 lemon and stir. Reduce heat to low.
Let cook uncovered stirring occasionally until some of the water has evaporated and the flavors have a chance to blend.

Makes 2 servings.

So delicious!  I had it with my morning coffee today.

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« Reply #214 on: May 30, 2018, 10:23:41 AM »
Sounds yummy.  I've added it to my recipe list.  Thanks!

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« Reply #215 on: May 30, 2018, 11:01:51 PM »
I may need to try your recipe SF, we're growing weary of the same old tofu scramble.

Here's me last weekend convincing 2 German tourists to sign up for a 22 day plant based diet challenge on http://www.challenge22.com last weeking in Bergamo. Keep that website handy in memory - when you encounter interested humans in the wild - tell them they can try WFPB for a 22 challenge there - it redirects to a FB group where they're in a big convo with oodles of mentors. This is my first month being a mentor to newbie vegans on there. It's 'shaping the path' and IMO it's a critical piece of activism!

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #216 on: June 09, 2018, 06:42:29 PM »
Vegan in the title piqued my interest....

I'm an avid meat eater (like eggs every day for breakfast, steak/chicken/seafood is dinner every night. Reading through this stuff has made me want to change some stuff, yay! Go you guys!

So maybe I won't go vegan, but I do want to cut out the red meat and seafood!

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« Reply #217 on: June 10, 2018, 01:52:17 AM »
Vegan in the title piqued my interest....

I'm an avid meat eater (like eggs every day for breakfast, steak/chicken/seafood is dinner every night. Reading through this stuff has made me want to change some stuff, yay! Go you guys!

So maybe I won't go vegan, but I do want to cut out the red meat and seafood!

Yeah! Welcome into our crew Rustychase!

What are some examples of insights you’ve had on here that are making you reconsider your diet choices? If you don’t mind me asking.
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« Reply #218 on: June 10, 2018, 01:04:03 PM »
Vegan in the title piqued my interest....

I'm an avid meat eater (like eggs every day for breakfast, steak/chicken/seafood is dinner every night. Reading through this stuff has made me want to change some stuff, yay! Go you guys!

So maybe I won't go vegan, but I do want to cut out the red meat and seafood!

Yeah! Welcome into our crew Rustychase!

What are some examples of insights you’ve had on here that are making you reconsider your diet choices? If you don’t mind me asking.

It was mostly the health points brought up! While I like to think I'm pretty healthy, I realize I consume too many animal products. Blood work would probably reveal that haha. Plus, who doesn't want to feel good? I'm always tired, even when I sleep well. Might be my diet, eh?

The environment too is one of my concerns, and I've seen the few graphics posted and went on a research binge. I'd like to contribute to at least a portion of the healing we as humans can accomplish.

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #219 on: June 10, 2018, 01:35:13 PM »
I'm stepping toward veganism (combined with non-vegan freeganism). I may never get 100% there, but I've already found some good substitutions that are easy to keep up with long-term. I've also managed to resist the free chicken and beef at two different work events, which is a big deal for my cheapo self.

Following here to learn about new options. I don't like tofu, kale, or cooking, so I may be SOL. :p

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« Reply #220 on: June 10, 2018, 08:44:37 PM »
I'm stepping toward veganism (combined with non-vegan freeganism). I may never get 100% there, but I've already found some good substitutions that are easy to keep up with long-term. I've also managed to resist the free chicken and beef at two different work events, which is a big deal for my cheapo self.

Following here to learn about new options. I don't like tofu, kale, or cooking, so I may be SOL. :p

Interesting re:the freeganism @MonkeyJenga
 That makes a lot of sense to me and it's great to see people utilizing everything that is already in rotation (unfortunately so MUCH getting tossed at times)
For your non-cooking self, a summer favorite of mine are fresh spring rolls..

they require a bit of prep but once you have a routine they are a cinch to make with whatever veg you have on hand with rice noodles..plus..peanut sauce :)

https://minimalistbaker.com/rainbow-spring-rolls-with-ginger-peanut-sauce/

We just made a huge batch of pesto pasta with chives/parsley from the garden (people can add nutritional yeast to replace the parmesan) Yum.

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #221 on: June 11, 2018, 07:05:18 AM »
Following here to learn about new options. I don't like tofu, kale, or cooking, so I may be SOL. :p

You can definitely be an "unhealthy" vegan - chips & hummus/guac/salsa, oreos, non-dairy ice creams, etc. etc.

I don't like tofu plain and it took me awhile to figure it out.  I think it's either an acquired taste or something you need to find *how* you like it cooked.

Veggie burger patties are a go-to.  About $1/patty and good for a snack or a larger meal (burger/sandwich).
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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #222 on: June 11, 2018, 09:28:16 AM »
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17442558/ezra-klein-show-book-melanie-joy-vegan-vegetarian-carnism-amazon

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« Reply #223 on: June 11, 2018, 08:30:45 PM »
Hold up, hummus is unhealthy now?

I'm not doing this for health. Honestly, I'm worried about having a worse diet if I cut out chicken, turkey, tuna, and salmon. For now, I'm fine with relying a little more on soy-heavy substitutions and dark chocolate. If Tofurkey comprises 50% of my diet a few months from now, I'm going to reconsider.

Veggie burgers and black bean burgers, I'm down with. I live near a Whole Foods and work near a Trader Joe's, so I've got solid pre-made options. If my work schedule calms down, I can try out recipes.

Thanks for recs! Please don't feel the need to tailor things to me. I posted in order to follow along, but I'm super picky. And lazy.

Interesting re:the freeganism @MonkeyJenga
 That makes a lot of sense to me and it's great to see people utilizing everything that is already in rotation (unfortunately so MUCH getting tossed at times)
For your non-cooking self, a summer favorite of mine are fresh spring rolls..

they require a bit of prep but once you have a routine they are a cinch to make with whatever veg you have on hand with rice noodles..plus..peanut sauce :)

https://minimalistbaker.com/rainbow-spring-rolls-with-ginger-peanut-sauce/

We just made a huge batch of pesto pasta with chives/parsley from the garden (people can add nutritional yeast to replace the parmesan) Yum.

The waste really gets to me. Of course, now I'm buying heavily packaged fake-sausages and fake-cheese, so I'm still contributing. Hence the search for an active freegan group in DC, because I want other people around to show me the deal.

That recipe is... still too much work. :p My current standard is black bean chili with a bunch of vegetables thrown in. I can make a giant batch, freeze most of it, and have food for weeks. I don't have patience for anything I have to delicately assemble, go shopping for, and only makes food for one meal.

Your pesto sounds delicious!

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #224 on: June 12, 2018, 12:10:30 AM »
Love spring rolls! Made some last weekend for a picknick with friends (one vegan among us) and everyone loved them. It's also gluten free and nut free and lactose free so it's one of those recipes that's got almost all common allergies covered.

My recipe is easier than the one posted and closer to the original Vietnamese version:
- Cut slices of carrots, paprika, cucumber and lettuce
- Soak rice paper (or tapioca) in warm water
- Boil some rice noodles
- Put cilantro, mint (I have my own plants for those so just pick it from them), veggies and noodles on rice paper
- Roll
- Dip in soy sauce or fish sauce (the latter not being vegan ofc but I have a weak spot for fish sauce)

I also had a dinner from uni last week and the vegetarian/vegan options were extremely disappointing. It was really a meat + sides focussed meal, with only about half of the sides being vegan (the rest vegetarian). That led to some funny discussions about how someone's professor had just turned vegetarian and had no clue how to cook without meat. It sounded odd to me. That you have trouble finding vegan options (coming from a meat-centered diet) I can imagine, but how hard can it be to find vegetarian recipes? 95% of what I cook is even vegan without me particularly trying. So many options for pasta dishes or rice dishes or noodle dishes or even just good old Dutch potato +veggie + fake meat dishes.

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #225 on: June 12, 2018, 07:43:55 AM »
Honestly, I'm worried about having a worse diet if I cut out chicken, turkey, tuna, and salmon.

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #226 on: June 12, 2018, 09:04:28 AM »
Honestly, I'm worried about having a worse diet if I cut out chicken, turkey, tuna, and salmon.

This makes no sense.

If calory difference is replaced by candy/sugary crap/ice cream, it might end up being a worse diet. Not all that's vegan is healthy. 

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #227 on: June 12, 2018, 02:04:04 PM »
Honestly, I'm worried about having a worse diet if I cut out chicken, turkey, tuna, and salmon.

This makes no sense.

If calory difference is replaced by candy/sugary crap/ice cream, it might end up being a worse diet. Not all that's vegan is healthy.

Yeah, or even just a bunch of soy based imitation products like I mentioned.

Lean meats/"good" fatty fish are filling, and I'm unlikely to snack on them. I may replace them with more snacky stuff, or reduce the diversity by increasing the % coming from soy.

I know some vegans view meat as bad for you, no matter what, but I don't.

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #228 on: June 12, 2018, 08:56:28 PM »
Yes..the spring roll recipe is a bit much--I don't use it and am more free-form but thought it might be helpful :)

We eat spring rolls regularly in the summer, so we always have rice paper, vermicelli, chili garlic sauce, etc on hand. that way all we need is to chop up veggies and go.

Tonight: made some vegan comfort food from this recipe https://www.veganricha.com/2017/10/chickpea-spinach-pie-berbere-spice.html

Chickpea Spinach Pie..not sure when I became infatuated with food, but now I happily spend time cooking up recipes, especially on a rainy day. This one is nice since it's simple food (chickpeas, greens, spices). The only thing I bought were pastry sheets as I had everything else in the house and my SO loved it (he eats quite a lot of animal product so it's nice to find food that both of us enjoy since we like to have dinners together )

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #229 on: June 12, 2018, 09:10:07 PM »
Also..trying this tomorrow with lettuce & chives from the garden.

http://www.isachandra.com/2018/05/sesame-cold-noodle-bundles/

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #230 on: June 14, 2018, 09:12:36 PM »
Sooo I'm moving into a new house with ZERO food items, so I guess it's a good time to start shopping more vegan when there's nothing else in the house! What are some suggestions you guys have?

I've got on my list so far

  • tofu (I want to try this out, but I'll need some seasonings suggestions)
  • rice
  • chia seeds (for smoothies!)
  • flour and baking powder
  • granola
  • peanuts

Veggies and fruits of course! But that's depending on prices haha

I'm gonna try out some of the recipes I've seen too, I think.

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #231 on: June 14, 2018, 09:46:52 PM »
Rusty, I'm in a similar situation. Just moved into a sublet after living out of a backpack for 6 months. I need to stock up on beans, canned tomatoes, vegetables, and spices. I make a big batch of black bean chili, throw a ton of vegetables in, and freeze it so I have leftovers for a couple weeks. If you like chili, that's one option. Or make the prep easier and just do beans with some garlic, onion, and spices.



My new job has had soooo many temptations. There's an ever-present ice cream freezer, an event last night with pizza and sliders, and a meeting today with dumplings. I managed to stick to the vegetarian dumplings and eat only salad and a cheeseless pizza last night. I contributed to more waste, though, since they made the pizza just for me, and nobody else was about to eat marinara sauce on dough when there was real, delicious pizza right next to it. That all went in the trash, along with the remains of other pizzas. Engh.

There's plant-based milk in the office fridge, so that's one easy sub in coffee. Oranges lying around, so I've been grabbing those for a snack instead of ice cream. If I was alone with the freezer, I might succumb, but there's social pressure now.

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #232 on: June 14, 2018, 11:27:24 PM »
Some of my additions would be:
- Coconut milk: for curries or M41s delicious desert option posted previously. Fits nice with the tofu.
- Pasta: so you can make your own vegan pasta-pesto.
- Soy yoghurt: I prefer the flavor over normal yoghurt
- Oats
- Non-peanut nuts
- Olive oil and other plant-based oils
- Vinegar for salads
- Peanut butter
- Chickpeas & tahin to make hummus (you could also just buy hummus directly)
- Potatoes
- Soy sauce
- Olives
- Dried fruits (dates, raisins)

Re tofu: I usually just use it in curries or fried rice recipes so I don't do particular seasoning but it's fried with curry paste, but M41 has posted a tofu-omelette idea some pages ago which also looks really nice. Shame on me for still not having tried it.

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #233 on: June 15, 2018, 08:18:54 AM »
I'm so happy you're on this thread MJ! <3 ... A few bullet points for you:

* oranges == calcium! yeah!

* hummus IS healthy - just check that it doesn't have 20 ingredients most of which are stabilizers and preservatives. obviously homemade is the best.

* lentils. stock up with lentils. I just made this easy mode dahl recipe.  If you can chop an onion and mince two cloves of garlic, it's quick and so delicious. M12 and I are slurping it up as I type.

EASY MODE DAHL: https://www.vegetariantimes.com/recipes/yellow-lentil-dal

MORE CHOPPIN' BUT STILL EASY MODE: http://instantpoteats.com/turkish-split-pea-soup-instant-pot-recipe/

I second Hirondelle's & RustyChase's suggestions for stocking up the kitchen. Also: ground flax seed. Add ground flax seed to your oatmeal. It's high in omega 3s and IDR all the benefits but it's one of the wonder foods in the vegan pyramid. (whole flax passes right through you with minimal absorption of nutrients)

Who has used the cronometer or daily dozen apps? What do you think? I found both quite useful as I transitioned from std western bullshit diet to whole food plant based food pyramid.

Last bullet point:

* when you make rice try to use brown whole grain - and make sure it's from California or somewhere other than the southeast US. Not to frighten you, but there's loads of arsenic in the soil in SE US from the days of cotton when arsenic was used as a pesticide. Unfortunately, rice has an affinity for absorbing arsenic from the soil.

@Serendip I'm adding that spinach chickpea comfort dish to our rotation.

@DarkandStormy - I listened to that podcast with Ezra Klein and Melanie Joy this very morning! I love her perspective. Between her book and Tobias Leenart's "How to Create a Vegan World", I feel like I'm much more effective at talking with people, and providing bits of info in such a way that it's likely to be received willingly rather than opposed defensively. Melanie Joy kicks ass.

Ultimately, I've come to be a 3 reason vegan - I do it for all the reasons: health & environment & ethics. As much as I want to be healthy, and as much as my heart aches for the dairy cows, battery hens, castrated piglets and the rest of the 70billion per year fellow earthlings we brutalize and exploit, the motivation that drives the fire in my belly is the environment. I want my son to inherit a world he can live in. I want all of our children to inherit a world they can live in. Adopting a plant based diet in the western world, and staying with plant based diets in developing worlds is necessary and we need to do it now.  In my estimation, the world going plant-based probably is not enough on its own for humanity's survival, but it's an important piece and we need to put it in place ASAP.

I love this thread and am so happy people keep joining - some who are new and some with who've been wonderful partners on my MMM journey over the years. <3.
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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #234 on: June 15, 2018, 10:05:38 AM »
@Malaysia41 these are some good bullet points! I might try out those recipes first, cause I like easy. I'm still a beginner cook, but at least I'm past the pastas only stage! Also! Hi, nice to meet you haha

Thanks @Hirondelle for your points too, I'm not a fan of coconut milk but I do like almond milk.

@MonkeyJenga I've never had chili! Do you have a favorite recipe? I'd like to try it.

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #235 on: June 16, 2018, 07:55:00 PM »
@MonkeyJenga I've never had chili! Do you have a favorite recipe? I'd like to try it.

It's a stretch to call this a recipe, but it's flexible and gets the point across. This makes a huge amount of food, definitely should make a smaller batch while you're figuring out what you like. There's a lot of stuff, but it's all basic steps. Chop up some vegetables (or buy pre-chopped), cook beans (or open a few cans), and throw it all in a pot. Tada!

MJ's Rainbow Chili

Ingredients:

4-6 cans of beans or 1-2 pounds dry (2:1 black beans to kidney, or all black beans, or half lentils, half black beans - if you have beans already, use those)
1 can sweet corn*
1-2 yellow squash*
1 sweet potato*
1-2 bell peppers*
Any other vegetables you want to throw in
1 onion
4-6 cloves garlic
large can of crushed or diced tomatoes
green chilis - can be small can of Rotel equivalent, or chilis on their own
Cumin - more than you think is right
Chili powder - same deal, put in an obscene amount
Black pepper - not as much as the cumin and chili powder, but still a lot
Red pepper flakes - as much as you like
Oregano - optional
Salt - more or less depending on how much is included in any canned ingredients
Garlic powder/Onion powder if needed

* = optional. I've used peas, spinach, carrots, beets, and zucchini. Everything ends up tasting like chili powder, so it's a good way to sneak in food you don't like.

Steps:

Saute the onion and garlic.
Add the tomatoes/chilis/spices.
Add beans.
Chop up the vegetables and toss in.
Let it all simmer for a bit.
Add more of whatever spices you want until it tastes good.

Mix with rice, vegan cheese, vegan sour cream, salsa verde, peanut butter, whatever.
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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #236 on: June 16, 2018, 10:32:06 PM »
I'm so happy you're on this thread MJ! <3 ... A few bullet points for you:

* oranges == calcium! yeah!

* hummus IS healthy - just check that it doesn't have 20 ingredients most of which are stabilizers and preservatives. obviously homemade is the best.

* lentils. stock up with lentils. I just made this easy mode dahl recipe.  If you can chop an onion and mince two cloves of garlic, it's quick and so delicious. M12 and I are slurping it up as I type.

EASY MODE DAHL: https://www.vegetariantimes.com/recipes/yellow-lentil-dal

MORE CHOPPIN' BUT STILL EASY MODE: http://instantpoteats.com/turkish-split-pea-soup-instant-pot-recipe/

I second Hirondelle's & RustyChase's suggestions for stocking up the kitchen. Also: ground flax seed. Add ground flax seed to your oatmeal. It's high in omega 3s and IDR all the benefits but it's one of the wonder foods in the vegan pyramid. (whole flax passes right through you with minimal absorption of nutrients)

Who has used the cronometer or daily dozen apps? What do you think? I found both quite useful as I transitioned from std western bullshit diet to whole food plant based food pyramid.

Last bullet point:

* when you make rice try to use brown whole grain - and make sure it's from California or somewhere other than the southeast US. Not to frighten you, but there's loads of arsenic in the soil in SE US from the days of cotton when arsenic was used as a pesticide. Unfortunately, rice has an affinity for absorbing arsenic from the soil.

Hiiii M41!

I've made hummus in the past - it's a great cheap option to bring to parties. My current kitchen is kind of gross and discourages me from cooking.  I'll try to muster up the strength for chili tomorrow.

How do I know where rice is from if it's not on the package? Harris Teeter brown rice doesn't say anything about that. Lately I've been skipping the rice, so it's not an urgent issue.

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« Reply #237 on: June 17, 2018, 01:30:21 AM »
Regarding Harris teeter. The company is based in NC. Without origin marked on the package, I would assume their rice is from SE US.

https://www.harristeeter.com/about-us :

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Harris Teeter, a wholly-owned subsidiary of The Kroger Co. (NYSE: KR), was co-founded in 1960 by North Carolina grocers W.T. Harris and Willis Teeter. Harris Teeter operates over 230 stores and 14 fuel centers in seven states and the District of Columbia.

In addition to its retail stores, Harris Teeter also owns grocery, frozen food, and perishable distribution centers in Greensboro, NC and Indian Trail, NC, as well as a dairy in High Point, NC.

Harris Teeter is headquartered in Matthews, NC and has approximately 30,000 associates.

California origins is a selling point for rice - so in my experience most rice coming from California is loudly and proudly marked as such. Personally, I would not buy rice that doesn't indicate its origins. Incredibly, rice from Italy is high in arsenic too!  So I try to buy rice from Pakistan or India.

regardless of origins, if you soak and rinse your rice before cooking, then boil it like pasta - (more water, drain and rinse again after cooking), you can decrease the amount of arsenic you ingest.

Dr. Greger did a series of 5 min videos on arsenic in rice. Here's a good starting point:

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/which-brands-and-sources-of-rice-have-the-least-arsenic/
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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #238 on: June 18, 2018, 08:17:49 AM »
@MonkeyJenga I've never had chili! Do you have a favorite recipe? I'd like to try it.

It's a stretch to call this a recipe, but it's flexible and gets the point across. This makes a huge amount of food, definitely should make a smaller batch while you're figuring out what you like. There's a lot of stuff, but it's all basic steps. Chop up some vegetables (or buy pre-chopped), cook beans (or open a few cans), and throw it all in a pot. Tada!

MJ's Rainbow Chili

Ingredients:

4-6 cans of beans or 1-2 pounds dry (2:1 black beans to kidney, or all black beans, or half lentils, half black beans - if you have beans already, use those)
1 can sweet corn*
1-2 yellow squash*
1 sweet potato*
1-2 bell peppers*
Any other vegetables you want to throw in
1 onion
4-6 cloves garlic
large can of crushed or diced tomatoes
green chilis - can be small can of Rotel equivalent, or chilis on their own
Cumin - more than you think is right
Chili powder - same deal, put in an obscene amount
Black pepper - not as much as the cumin and chili powder, but still a lot
Red pepper flakes - as much as you like
Oregano - optional
Salt - more or less depending on how much is included in any canned ingredients
Garlic powder/Onion powder if needed

* = optional. I've used peas, spinach, carrots, beets, and zucchini. Everything ends up tasting like chili powder, so it's a good way to sneak in food you don't like.

Steps:

Saute the onion and garlic.
Add the tomatoes/chilis/spices.
Add beans.
Chop up the vegetables and toss in.
Let it all simmer for a bit.
Add more of whatever spices you want until it tastes good.

Mix with rice, vegan cheese, vegan sour cream, salsa verde, peanut butter, whatever.

I'm definitely not a carrot person, could definitely be a good way to eat those! This sounds yummy, I'm gonna try to make it sometime this week (:

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Re: Go Plant-Based (Vegan) Diet in 2018
« Reply #239 on: June 18, 2018, 10:07:06 AM »
This is my chili recipe:

1 can kidney beans (no salt added)
1 can chickpeas (no salt added)
1 can diced tomatoes (plain or spicy)
1 can vegetarian chili if you can find it (optional)
1 can corn (no salt added)
1 can olives
1 container leaf spinach
1 container cut mushrooms
1 bag of frozen brown rice
1 package taco seasoning
1 bag frozen veggie meat (optional)

Throw everything in a big pot and cook until the spinach wilts. Traditional chili doesn't have half of what I throw in but it is good and healthy and there is no cutting involved. Whole thing takes less than 15 minutes and makes five meals or so.